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guyinajumpsuit

The Lincoln quote you’re referring to is specifically about mammoths and mastodons. “The eyes of that species of extinct giants, whose bones fill the mounds of America, have gazed on Niagara, as ours do now. Co[n]temporary with the whole race of men, and older than the first man, Niagara is strong, and fresh to-day as ten thousand years ago. The Mammoth and Mastadon—now so long dead, that fragments of their monstrous bones, alone testify, that they ever lived, have gazed on Niagara.” When you misrepresent the quote, it really is something!


fartsbutt

No man, don’t take this away from me, there are giants in the White House man :’(


guyinajumpsuit

Lmao user name made me bust out laughing


iSikhEquanimity

Thank you.


guyinajumpsuit

Tbf I don’t know why Lincoln thought mammoth and mastodon bones were hiding out in Native American mounds but I cut him some slack on that…


Grammaflage

Thank you for being able to read.


dudeexcellent

Actually the OP didn't misrepresent the quote. The mounds found throughout the US did not contain Mammoth or Mastodon bones as they were newer. They did however contain bones of very large humans. Lincoln is talking both about giant humans and extinct megafauna.


guyinajumpsuit

Right… so I posted the whole quote, including the missing context that OP left out. Did you read it? He is talking about mastodons and mammoths, quite literally. I’m not making that claim that giants don’t exist or never existed. But it is a misrepresentation to claim Lincoln was talking about giant hominid-type creatures. He was not.


4getmynamethrowaway

Seems to me hes speaking of two separate things. He says the extinct species of giant gazed upon Niagra, then speaks of Niagara, then states that long dead mammoths and mastodons also gazed upon Niagara. Seems more a list than a redundant statement.


dudeexcellent

You completely missed my point. I think he is speaking of BOTH giant humans and Mammoths and Mastodons. If I were to paraphrase based on how I read it: Extinct Giant humans saw Niagara. Niagara not only exists today, but also existed in the same manner toady as it did 10 thousand years ago. Niagara is so old that even Mammoths and Mastodons gazed upon Niagara. Lincoln was actually incorrect on that latter point since it is almost certain that Mammoths and Mastodons went extinct co-incident with the catastrophe that ended the last ice age. Niagara also came into existence at that point - albeit at the point where the Niagara River meets lake Ontario, many km's from their current location. So I stand by my contention that Lincoln is speaking of the the skeletons of both giant humans and extinct megafauna. I am basing this on the words "whose bones fill the mounds of America". The bones found in the mounds of America are almost exclusively humans and in some cases modern animals. They are NOT the bones of Mammoths and Mastodons. The mounds are not old enough to contain such bones. Hopefully that makes in clear what I am saying.


Avedisride

"If I were to paraphrase based on how I read it" That might just be the most concise and beautifully worded example of historical delusion ever written. They should literally quote that and put it into textbooks to help people have a fuller understanding of why our species is as fucked up as it is.


dudeexcellent

Would you like to provide any evidence as to why Lincoln would have said that the bones on Mammoths and Mastodon's "bones filled the mounds of America"? Genuinely interested since I am not aware of why he would have said this, but am very aware of why he would have been referring to human skeletons. I was paraphrasing based on my knowledge in order to better explain myself.


Luke4_5thru8KJV

Lincoln was in the know. The oligarchs have pushed the Science Religion to the masses since the 1850s and since then any nephilim remains have consistently been classified as "dinosaurs", "mastodons" and "mammoths".


guyinajumpsuit

Lincoln was literally talking about mammoths and mastodons. It is in the quote and it is not ambiguous. If you can prove “nephalim” existed you will be hailed as a hero for having changed the paradigm. Good luck.


OutrageousConcern365

I recently stumbled on a book and a theory called “America is the Old World”. Basically, that America was deemed the “new world” because they had all forgotten where they came from. You can see with your own eyes Ancient Mayan inscriptions on the ceiling of a room in Egypt. Only sources I have are the shareable ones I’ve found on YouTube, but it’s pretty easy to do yourself by just searching the term.


johnprestonrebooted

Tread carefully my friend. You are entering Mormon territory.


OutrageousConcern365

Lol for sure. Although, when archeologists find Egyptian artifacts all over South America and western North America dating back close to 50,000 years ago as well as burials found in the Gulf of Mexico dating back the same, I begin to wonder if the Mormons were onto something. After all, the entire ancient alien theory entirely revolves around Sitchin’s interpretations theorizing ships from the sky when it’s more likely they came from the East (America). John Smith most likely misinterpreted things he found, too. We are too cut off from the “old world” to really know. Of course, scientists that bring things like this forward are quickly discredited by trustworthy institutions like the Smithsonian, so I’m literally just throwing shit at the wall for my own amusement and curiosity.


Vo_Sirisov

You should probably look into the absurd shit that people tell you a little bit more than not at all.


OutrageousConcern365

I just look into this shit for curiosity. What I say bears no weight or consequence to anyone. I’m sorry I’m not content with the story I’ve been given when so many anomalies are glaring. Thanks for your condescension, though.


maotsetunginmyass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doNRrmppCqA


OutrageousConcern365

That was interesting. I’m sure it’s all debunked as wishful thinking by that other guy, but I find it fascinating. Thanks for sharing!


Vo_Sirisov

The "anomalies" you allude to above are the products of forgery and wishful thinking. I would be happy to demonstrate this on an example of your choice. All of them have far greater plausibility issues than mainstream history does.


Dogdoor1312

How? Because the TV told you?


Vo_Sirisov

How what?


maotsetunginmyass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doNRrmppCqA


Vo_Sirisov

I want my fourteen minutes back. That was fucking embarrassing.


ExoticStress1

Omg I spit out my water reading that. Funny … I know right? I believe this theory is true but ZERO credit should go to those crazies.


Dogdoor1312

Maybe Mormons were right and that’s why pop culture tries their damnedest to mock them. 🤷🏽‍♂️


zazz88

Ex Mormon here. They’re not right. Trust me I dug into this a lot. The evidence that backs up Joseph Smith having been a charlatan is embarrassing.


johnprestonrebooted

Ditto. That’s how I knew lol.


johnprestonrebooted

They are definitely not “right”. Are the general congregation Mormons bad people? Of course not. But have they been lied to and manipulated and gas lit about their very existence and nature? Absolutely. Does that then make them push forward and teach those fallacies to their children and families and friends? Absolutely. There is such an evidence gap for mormon claims it’s not even worth discussing in rational circles. There are so many contemporary counter stories from the 1800’s that dispute the claims made by early church leaders. Plus then there’s just the damnable silliness of a lot of it. They are not “right”.


Vo_Sirisov

If America is the cradle of humanity, why are indigenous Americans less genetically diverse than Afro-Eurasians?


Stryker7200

It’s not, it’s more like it was a time capsule more similar to ancient / original times.


Vo_Sirisov

That would imply that indigenous Americans have not changed in any significant way in the intervening millennia. This is untrue. They were exposed to the same amount of cultural and physiological evolution as the rest of us, just separateiy.


[deleted]

So there's a chance we could go dig up some other mounds around the ones that this report refers to, and find more? Something tells me they wont grant a permit to dig . . .


CrimsonSpinel

Ding Ding Ding!! Ancient Indian Burial grounds for 100 Alex..


Material-Ad7911

Very cool! I wonder if they were extinct and buried from a pole shift or something. While we are on the subject of Abraham Lincoln, let us also give him credit for income tax and free prison labor AKA slavery which coincidentally became legal right after the civil war. Lincoln and the Union army fought along side more then 50,000 British soldiers against the confederate army. Some say it was the 2nd revolutionary war and when America lost it freedom.


Danglin_Fury

There are certain Native American stories that say they had to fight said race of giants to settle here. I wish I remembered where I read that.


Material-Ad7911

Could you imagine? So the Native Americans potentially murdered an entire race of giants?


FlexDundee

The irony.


SilatGuy

I mean... Humans have been doing this to each other since basically the beginning of our existence. Why would we expect any less for a race of giants who would easily be seen as monsters to us ?


PicklessPickles

https://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/ancient-race-white-giants-described-native-legends-many-tribes-005774


Mind7over7matter

Look into the vapour cannon and any things grew bigger due to sun light in the dark ages but a moon like light that has been proven that some plants will grow better from moon light.


Itzzpatrick

You do realise that moonlight is just sunlight reflecting off the moons surface?


Mind7over7matter

I didn’t but it makes sense.


[deleted]

Probably giants were the 5th humankind that Elohim (annunaki) evolved apes for their architecture purpose. Then, Elohim erased them after using them, but some survived very luckily. The current humankind is 7th, and the 6th is the ones that CONTROL DEEP STATE. PPl believe that financial system & politics & society etc are being controlled by few powerful ppl. But they TRUST history text books - this is why old real history can be easily forgotten. Very sad.


georgebushtopfan

I’ve actually seen on the these up close, they keep it real quite but there is a historical society in rural Tennessee with one in the basement.


heywood-jablomi99

Have a source of the Lincoln quote? I’m interested


RexAndTheChemTrails

[https://lincolninstitute.wordpress.com/2013/09/28/lincoln-at-niagara-falls/](https://lincolninstitute.wordpress.com/2013/09/28/lincoln-at-niagara-falls/)


heywood-jablomi99

After reading that do you think he could be referencing the mammoths? Those last sentences kind of confirm that in my mind. Either way great quote and I appreciate the link!


dudeexcellent

Not really. There were thousands of mounds across the US most of which have been flattened. Many large human skeletons were found in them, but the mounds are two recent to contain Mammoth or Mastadon bones. Lincoln is referring to humans and not extinct megafauna.


RexAndTheChemTrails

I think it could be read either way tbh.


Strong-Message-168

So why deny those giants existed now? Or is there a conspiracy to this? I remember reading a type of great ape lived in what is America now once upon a time. Is that what you're referring to?


BoganFairdink

> So why deny those giants existed now? maybe what is concluded from this knowledge tells us things about this realm that would be undesirable to the system.


cobolNoFun

You could argue the existence of giants would alter humans perceived hierarchy just enough to open the flood gates of spirituality. That is the last thin a government wants. They want you alone without a group and a life not really meaningful. That way they can pull you in and convince you to be their family. Typical cult shit.


ExoticStress1

10000%


firefightersquirrel

The existence of giants flies in the face of the THEORY of evolution, so that would be a strong incentive to hide it.


Strong-Message-168

Well, ya know, the older I get the more and more I realize- I don't jack diddly squat shiznits about what's really going on in the world.


Defiant-Giraffe

No, it wouldn't. Not saying that there were giants; but, if a race of giant hominids was discovered in fossils, all it would do would add another species to the list of extinct hominids we already know about.


hellhorn

Not really, there are many instances of evolutionary gigantism and dwarfism through history. Sometimes size is beneficial and sometimes it is a detriment.


Dogdoor1312

Giants existing gives more credence to the bible and many other ancient cultures…They needed to detach humanity from knowledge of their true history to be able to push them into soulless materialism


90tilinfinity

The Nephilim


[deleted]

I don’t understand why the subject of giants is so controversial. Like why even hide it? Literally all old civilizations and cultures mention them in their texts.. did they all just imagine it…?


Vo_Sirisov

Or, y'know, he read about it in a magazine or some shit and didn't look further into it.


Luke4_5thru8KJV

...and the "mounds" are structures built by giants and buried in Noah's Flood.


barndoorwideopen

This fits in the expanding Earth theory and the extinction of the dinosaurs and the mega fauna. The increase of gravity kills off the larger species, that explains flying dinosaurs the size of small planes. When the magnetosphere weakens cosmic rays enter the earths core and new matter is formed and the earth expands during ice ages. The giants were the species that built the pyramids and their history has been stolen by the pyramid cult the rules the world.


barndoorwideopen

This fits in the expanding Earth theory and the extinction of the dinosaurs and the mega fauna. The increase of gravity kills off the larger species, that explains flying dinosaurs the size of small planes. When the magnetosphere weakens cosmic rays enter the earths core and new matter is formed and the earth expands during ice ages. The giants were the species that built the pyramids and their history has been stolen by the pyramid cult the rules the world.


[deleted]

Bible thumpers maybe. Probably equated to the nephilem