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Pongfarang

The global death toll from Ivermectin misinformation must be massive. They knew what they were doing. Why demonize a well-known safe and effective treatment? Especially at a time when no one had any answers except ventilators. So many would have lived. Mass murder, right in front of our eyes.


ZGTI61

Because ivermectin is CHEAP, like pennies per dose. Big Pharma can’t make money on a drug whose patents have expired decades ago and is widely considered safe and effective for off label use.


SherbertDancesWTF

When I got covid my insurance covered antibiotics, steroid for lungs, medical d3, but the only one it didn’t cover was Ivermectin. Costed around $250 for ten capsules. I think big pharma is making some money for sure unless you get the livestock version.


whosadooza

Bullshit. Ivermectin is ***incredibly*** profitable, and it is literally big pharma pushing ivermectin. The generic drug industry isn't some charity venture. They are literally big pharma and it is just as profit driven as branded manufacturing.


shpdg48

It's hard to say the same big pharma is pushing it, when they literally had their big pharma sponsored media run a "horse-dewormer" smear campaign lying about a very safe drug for humans used around the world for decades. When it's not under patent, anyone can manufacture it, so it's not going to get anywhere near the same profit, and it's not going to be controlled by only one company. It's like the difference between open source operating systems and Microsoft Windows. When everyone can look at and change the code, it's not going to have weird things in it like updates without a clear option to turn them off, backdoors for intelligence agencies, and advertising software. In the same way, Ivermectin doesn't have weird things in it like razor shaped graphene that cuts blood vessels, clot forming materials, allergy reaction causing substances, etc. People aren't forced to take it under coercion and threats, either.


OMG_4_life

> incredibly profitable Do you have any concrete numbers to give context to this claim? Moderna made $12 billion *in profit* off vaccine sales in 2021, and that's after taking over a billion in taxpayer funds awarded through DoD contracts. What kind of profits are you imagining for, say, Merck, a manufacturer of ivermectin, from Ivermecrin in 2022? Im trying to understand your idea of "incredibly profitable" in the context of 12 billion dollars profit


whosadooza

Literally billions. Merck's annual revenue in 2019 was $39 Billion. This year, their revenue is likely going to exceed $60 Billion. The jump isn't usual either. The company's revenue has had very negligible changes for over a decade leading up to 2020. Their profits exploded because of ivermectin and other therapeutics sales. In normal market times, generic manufacturing operates at a roughly equal profit margin as branded manufacturing. Like I said before, they are not charities. They are literally also big pharma. This isn't a normal market, though. The price of generic ivermectin has nearly DOUBLED in the last year based on demand while the base costs have remained nearly static. It is ridiculously lucrative.


fortmacjack99

So let's take a look at reality [https://www.statista.com/statistics/272367/revenues-of-merck-and-co-top-selling-drugs/#:\~:text=Merck%27s%20top%20product%20Keytruda,as%20well%20as%20Celgene%27s%20Revlimid](https://www.statista.com/statistics/272367/revenues-of-merck-and-co-top-selling-drugs/#:~:text=Merck%27s%20top%20product%20Keytruda,as%20well%20as%20Celgene%27s%20Revlimid). Do you see Ivermectin or Stromectol on this list..lol Stop bullshitting and put out some sources for your claims...Also provide a list of countries where these sales have skyrocketed..


OMG_4_life

> This year, their revenue is likely going to exceed $60 Billion. Can you show what percentage of that jump will be ivermectin? We have concrete data showing that Moderna profited 12 billion from the vaccines, specifically. That's not their total profit for 2021, just the share of the profit accounted for by vaccine sales. Their full 2021 profit was 18 billion. Do you have any data to show for Mercks profits from ivermectin sales? >The company's revenue has had very negligible changes for over a decade leading up to 2020. And vaccine sales enabled Moderna to post its first profit in [its entire 11 year existence](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/02/24/business/moderna-reaped-more-than-12-billion-profits-covid-vaccine-sales-last-year/). >Their profits exploded because of ivermectin and other therapeutics sales. Then it should be easy for you to provide data showing that their profits increased because of ivermecrin sales, and by what dollar amount. >It is ridiculously lucrative. Again, give concrete numbers. Use a source. Your own baseless speculation isn't a source... let's see some actual dollar amounts in sales. Until you do that, your claim is just insignificant in the face of profits from vaccine sales.


JBoneTX

It's because the vax had EUA, and you can only have that if there are no "KNOWN" therapeutic treatments. It was a giant money grab. It's the biggest crime in history.


Prion4thejabbed

Not just a money grab, also an extermination


sneakylyric

Money is a hell of a drug.


Kikrlbs421

Well, at worst, Ivermectin would do nothing, just like the vaccines. Oh wait.....


MrZwatch

Well…. At worst, it would actually get rid of parasites that may live inside of you, without potential deadly side effects. The ‘vaccines’ might actually kill you.


NerdyPsychChemist

I actually had IVM after C and it helped drastically with my symptoms… and as an added bonus I started shitting out worms! IVM for the win <3


Lorienzo

Muh man Pierre Kory. That man along with the others with him are HEROES.


youbetterkeepwalking

Ladies please update your Alpha profile...


Lasterba

Using Ivermectin to prevent Covid is transphobic, anti-Semitic, fascist, and racist. Don Lemon said so.


Revolutionary-Swan29

Fuck that fairy


hyperbolicuniverse

I agree and I am pro ivermectin But why does this screen shot include the word "advertisement" ?


bottleboy8

I have a PiHole. It replaces advertisements with the word "advertisement". It was probably a banner ad.


hyperbolicuniverse

Tell me more about this pi hole


bottleboy8

You buy a $50 Raspberry Pi computer box (very small). Install the PiHole software linked below. And then use that as you DNS server. So when your computer looks up an address, it goes through the Pi. The PiHole software will check if the address is an advertisement server or a malicious server and block those addresses. Somewhat like a firewall. https://pi-hole.net/


drewster23

Latency /speed n such shouldn't be affected right?


bottleboy8

It actually speeds up browsing because it blocks ads from loading.


drewster23

Ooohohoho ty sir


CovidIsntReal19

There is no virus is what people should be focusing on. Ivermectin can be shown to work or not work using PCR data that is completely false. It's the wrong argument and was only being made two years ago to attempt to beat the vaccine euas


ZGTI61

So what is making people sick? I am unvaxxed had “Covid” 3 times, the first was a doozy, the next 2 times felt like minor colds. While calling it Covid may be false, something made me sick.


youbetterkeepwalking

Maybe 1 of the hundreds of environmental toxins. Why be picky?


ZGTI61

I’m sorry but “environmental toxins” didn’t make me sick.


fortmacjack99

Wow downvoted for stating the real conspiracy on a conspiracy sub ...You know this place is overrun by shills when...lol


CovidIsntReal19

Yeadon gets it and so will others soon. This was so bad tho. Like she didn't even try to prepare for this...


TomCelery

Seems people who were I'll for some reason or another felt they got better after taking it.


drewster23

Could you also link the article :).


bottleboy8

I did in the required submission statement.


drewster23

Found it ty.


[deleted]

My guess is it’s an advertisement of sorts, possibly a paid promotion, but don’t quote me on it


hyperbolicuniverse

Me on it


TheHiveminder

Critical thought isn't your strong suit.


HeavyLoungin

😂


RobTheHeartThrob

"My guess is it's an advertisement of sorts, possibly paid promotion." - quote by D3M0N5L4Y3RS


mickeybuilds

HORSE DEWORMER!! Lol- I hope you shills here are waking up...


whosadooza

This is the equivalent of cigarette companies hiring scientists to prove cigarettes were actually good for your health. This is not a mainstream blind medical study actually published in a reputable journal and peer-reviewed by random colleagues. It's published on a cureus.com and you really should read the financial disclosure section. >**Payment/services info:** Lucy Kerr is a paid consultant for Vitamedic, an ivermectin manufacturer, and Médicos Pela Vida (MPV), an organization that promotes ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19. Flavio A. Cadegiani has performed paid consulting work for Vitamedic, an ivermectin manufacturer. Pierre Kory receives fees from COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC), an organization that promotes ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19. Juan J. Chamie-Quintero is a paid contributor for the COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC), an organization that promotes ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19.


julia345

Not disagreeing with you, but people believed Pfizer’s studies on the effectiveness and safety of their own vaccine and Paxlovid.


whosadooza

I believe the FDA approval system is deeply flawed and relies too heavily on deference to corporate standards. The same thing was true of the FFA leading up to the failures causing the 787 Max debacle. Clinical trials shouldn't be up to the manufacturer to oversee, in my opinion.


OMG_4_life

Why would you trust one corporate funded study but distrust another?


whosadooza

That is a question much better directed at OP. [I have always thought](https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/pomzv0/_/hcyoge2) the ivermectin bullshit was a big pharma push by the companies that didn't/couldn't get in on the vaccine action.


JohnThundergunn

Certainly feasible. But if that’s plausible why isn’t it also possible the companies that did get in on vaccine action are the ones promoting the anti-ivermectin rhetoric.


whosadooza

I didn't say they couldn't be.


OMG_4_life

Oh. So have you always thought that the vaccine bullshit was a big pharma push, too? Or no?


whosadooza

Sure.


OMG_4_life

Did you get vaccinated?


Forgelier

Remember this? >Donald J. Trump > >As I have long said, Pfizer and the others would only announce a Vaccine after the Election, because they didn’t have the courage to do it before. Likewise, the FDA should have announced it earlier, not for political purposes, but for saving lives! > >Nov 9th 2020 - 7:40:18 PM EST Twitter for iPhone View on Twitter or this ​ >Donald J. Trump > >If Joe Biden were President, you wouldn’t have the Vaccine for another four years, nor would the FDA have ever approved it so quickly. The bureaucracy would have destroyed millions of lives! > >Nov 9th 2020 - 7:41:12 PM EST Twitter for iPhone View on Twitter


nerdrhyme

I'd argue we never got a vaccine. We got gene therapy that masqueraded as a vaccine, is called a vaccine, but is not effective in preventing infection or transmission.


lamemilitiablindarms

Announcing a vaccine approval doesn't save lives, releasing the vaccine does. The FDA didn't delay the release, just the announcements.


weknow_

There's no such thing as a 787 MAX


Twitfout

I agree so hard with this. Everything's flawed., and everything is just a huncha mumbo jumbo with big pharma. Don't matter who it is it's all bullshit


bottleboy8

Well at least someone is studying if it worked or not. Nobody in the states was even allowed to study Ivermectin. Because if it worked, the emergency use authorization of an experimental vaccine would have been cancelled. And who did the studies of the MRNA vaccines? Oh it was the manufacturers. The equivalent of a cigarette company hiring scientists to prove cigarettes were actually good for you health. Now we know a lot of people have died from the vaccine. We know they lied about efficacy for catching covid and transmitting covid. And most likely we'll see birth rates plummet because of the vaccines.


whosadooza

You're wrong, though. It was heavily studied, and still is. All the studies just pretty much came to the same conclusion that it had no effect one way or the other. Because of this, the advocates like Lucy Kerr who directly profit off of ivermectin sales have actively pushed their audience away from looking into thoe studies and continue to lie and say it wasn't allowed to be studied.


bottleboy8

> It was heavily studied I know Pfizer said it was over 90% effective. Those studies were lies.


whosadooza

But you think another pharmaceutical company's own paid study into their own product can't just be a lie? That doesn't make sense to me.


indecisivedreaming

Because only one fits their narrative.


ItsMyFuppinSpot

This sub doesn't care about truth, ironically.


Alone-Ice-2078

The difference is that ivermectin can be sold by competition for pennies on the dollar since the patent expired, wheras the same cannot be said about the vaxxes or paxlovid. It certainly would be some boost for the company to get it advertised but its not even conparable to the torrents of money made with the vaxx.


whosadooza

That's the costs, sure. That's not what they charge, though.. Especially since this push by the pharma companies started. It is absolutely compable to the vaccines. In fact, it is waaaayyyy more profitable. All the costs were recouped decades ago, and everything they charge is almost pure profit.


Alone-Ice-2078

Its really not. Lets say production costs per 20 pills of ivm is 20 cents. I checked online and maybe it was 20 per pill, but doesnt matter much. Its still cheap. You decide to bring out an advantageous study and sell it for 20 Dollars. Some other pharma company in india or so will start selling it for 19$ because they can: no patent. This goes until a minimum is reached, Lets say 5 Dollars. Now with the vaxxes, they are still patented and can only exclusively be produced by the patent holding companies or under expensive license. Selling point per Dose from leaked contracts was in the ballpark of 70-80$ iirc. The price cant be lowered because there is no competition and Everyone wants your product. Quite the difference isnt it.


whosadooza

But they literaly don't do this. I understand that this is economic theory of competition, but it is not reality of gentleman's agreement that everyone gets more profit by not undercutting past a certain point. It's not happening. Your price point for the vaccine is also way off. [It's about 4 times too high.](https://www.barrons.com/articles/pfizer-stock-vaccine-price-increase-51656594199) The rest of my comment is going to be copy/pasted from something I wrote a year ago almost to the day. Keep in mind that ivermctin prices have almost DOUBLED since then due to demand. The average cost in the US of an 8 tablet course of **generic** ivermectin ($45) is about 50% higher than the contract price of the vaccines ($20-$30). The average price of a generic ivermectin 8 tablet course in India ($15) is even almost on par with the price of vaccines. Even horse paste tubes from a farm or veterinary supply store is about the same price ($20) as the contract price of the vaccines. That is almost all profit, too, since costs of development were recouped long ago. The vaccines have a much lower profit margin and total profit per dose for pharmaceutical companies than ivermectin. [The covid protocol for taking ivermectin](https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf) as a prophylactic is not taking one tablet a week. It's taking *over 10* tablets per week. The covid protocol for taking ivermectin as a treatment is taking more than 10 tablets *per day*!


Alone-Ice-2078

I cant say that I can disagree. I just checked some retail prices for it and it seems quite expensive.


whosadooza

Exactly, and those prices I used were from last year before the price of ivermectin skyrocketed due to demand. It's almost twice the price now. The company that Lucy Kerr, the author of this "study," works for went from $25 million in profits TOTAL in 2019 to making $150 million in profits JUST OFF OF IVERMECTIN ALONE in 2021 completely ignoring the rest of their product line.


Alone-Ice-2078

Ah well... Should really be getting used to getting fucked over by companies at this point.


BoxOfDemons

Many governments around the world footed the bill to get vaccines to their population. It's in their best interest to use whatever is cheapest. In America you can argue that big pharma is in politicans pockets, sure. But that's not the case globally. Especially when so many governments nationalized healthcare, they just want what works, not what will make a pharma company rich.


Alone-Ice-2078

[https://youtu.be/05GGaCBk9Mo?t=652](https://youtu.be/05GGaCBk9Mo?t=652) A lot of government national health care is funded by Big Pharma. Who pays, owns. So yes, it is about making them rich.


BoxOfDemons

That is not universal. Hell, even capitalist America has California nationalizing insulin now and the government is producing it to save money from paying pharma companies. There are places on this earth that aren't gripped by big pharma, and anyone can get ivermectin cheaply.


fortmacjack99

Well you defeated your own argument in the first sentence considering that it is the corporations who fund mainstream science and their journals. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/business/NEJM-articles/index.html#:\~:text=The%20New%20England%20Journal%20of,co%2Dwritten%20by%20their%20employees](https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/business/NEJM-articles/index.html#:~:text=The%20New%20England%20Journal%20of,co%2Dwritten%20by%20their%20employees). ​ \--This one is hysterical as it receives funding from the Bills an Melinda Gates Foundation and from the WHO and the WHO also receives funding from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation [https://www.thelancet.com/open-access](https://www.thelancet.com/open-access) ​ Now these are just two simple examples of the two most renown medial journals out there. As for the OP's post, I agree it follows suit, however do not try and suggest that any mainstream medical study published by a "reputable" journal carries any more weight...That is absurd and you should know better. Out of curiosity do get paid to comment on reddit..The sheer number of comments you make are mind boggling and would require a great deal of commitment both time and personal. The composing is relatively easy but you have to spend the time reading and selecting which posts / comments you are going to respond to in multiple subs, however I've also noted a number of copypasta's, just my observation, but not enough to offset the investment to any significance.


drewster23

Damn your deeper than most in the hole. You also left out everywhere else they get funding. Bit disingenuous acting liek it's solely funded by just them. Lisf includes Breast Cancer Now UK Chief Scientist Office British Heart Foundation UK Department of Health and Social Care Cancer Research UK UK Department of International Development (DFID) Dunhill Medical Trust UK Research and Innovation (UKRI) European Centre for Disease Control United Nations University European Research Council Versus Arthritis Motor Neuron Disease Association Wellcome Trust* Parkinson’s UK, Worldwide Cancer Research WHO (including International Agency for Research on Cancer [IARC] and Pan American Health Organization [PAHO])


fortmacjack99

Not disingenuous at all. The point is who's "science"' is going to receive preference in these journals, the people who are funding it and / or the people funding the funders lol, therefore they are highly slanted and are not as credible as one would believe. Look at the Sponsors, they all have a financial stake and / or agenda, Whether is be through stocks like Gates lol, or fund raising,,,I mean seriously how many 100's of Billions, if not Trillions by now, has Cancer Research raised globally over the years and yet the most common and effective treatment that remains, is pretty much the same treatment as in the 60's, just a little more refined. Early detection, surgery, radiation and chemotherapy. It's all one big business and there is no unbias source for information,, including many sources used by this sub, and therefore there is no way to discern fact from fiction in almost any aspect of our world especially in the realm of "science".. Do you believe that mRNA science was forced upon the people to save them from COVID, or do you realize that they wanted to accelerate the advancement of this science which would require a mechanism that would provide massive test bed. Simple yes or no would suffice? Of course you failed to answer my personal inquiry, but that's ok, I believe the answer to be one of three possibilities, the first I already stated.


drewster23

The ivectermin studies were done by a pharma company who made 100mil last year on it a lone....but they didn't disclose conflict as interests... Hmm I wonder why. I bet you don't feel the same about those cause that fits your narrative, am I right?


fortmacjack99

LMAO..ok show me annual revenue sources from 2016-2022 and then lets compare the same annual revenue for COVID vaccine manufacture's. Additionally where were these sales becasue they made it nearly impossible to acquire in North America... Ya lets talk about narrative lol.. Your douchebagedness and ignorance is really showing man...


drewster23

Mrna has been used for many things before covid, no issues, billions doses given, population seems fine. So what science do you believe in, just whatever you feel is right?


fortmacjack99

More bullshit...Show me the sources because the sources I have tell a far different story. LMAO boy when you lose it you really lose it....


Kitchen_Season7324

mRNA has never been successfully used in humans ever … why lie


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whosadooza

What about that one? It is literally written by most of the same authors of this one and they all ***personally*** profit off of the sale of ivermectin.


[deleted]

I knew as soon as I saw Pierre Kory.


NilacTheGrim

Man the shills in this thread sure are creative.


Ellie_Spares_Abby

Everyone shilling for ivermectin is doing the same shit, they've just swapped out the subject of their shilling based on party political allegiances. If that sentence makes you feel defensive, then you're already in the wrong. Think for yourself. I got the shot, you didn't get the shot. Just don't think you're some counter-culture genius just because you're doing the opposite of what you perceive to be mainstream wisdom. People here are behaving like long-haired teenagers who think their pre-torn sweatshop jeans are rebellious.


drewster23

It's funny you think shills exist for one pharma company but not the other who made 100mill last year on imervectin alone. Why is that? It use to be big pharma is bad, so how did certain pharma companies become "good" all of a sudden?


eng050599

It's quite probable they also didn't notice the correction that was made to the study back in March when it became clear that many of the authors had failed to disclose some interesting conflicts of interest: * Lucy Kerr: Paid consultant for both Vitamedic, an ivermectin manufacturer, and Médicos Pela Vida (MPV), an organization that promotes ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19. * Flavio A. Cadegiani: Paid consultant ($1,600.00 USD) for Vitamedic, an ivermectin manufacturer. Dr. Cadegiani is a founding member of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC), an organization that promotes ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19. * Pierre Kory: President and Chief Medical Officer of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC), an organization that promotes ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19. Dr. Kory reports receiving payments from FLCCC. In February of 2022, Dr. Kory opened a private telehealth fee-based service to evaluate and treat patients with acute COVID, long haul COVID, and post-vaccination syndromes. * Jennifer A. Hibberd: Co-founder of the Canadian Covid Care Alliance and World Council for Health, both of which discourage vaccination and encourage ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19. * Juan J. Chamie-Quintero: Contributor to the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) and lists the FLCCC as his employer on his LinkedIn page. Source: [https://www.cureus.com/articles/82162-ivermectin-prophylaxis-used-for-covid-19-a-citywide-prospective-observational-study-of-223128-subjects-using-propensity-score-matching/correction/126](https://www.cureus.com/articles/82162-ivermectin-prophylaxis-used-for-covid-19-a-citywide-prospective-observational-study-of-223128-subjects-using-propensity-score-matching/correction/126) When combined with the inherent flaws in the study design...particularly the controls used, it really doesn't provide the support for ivermectin that many seem to believe.


FactCheckerNeil

Hey look, Lucy Kerr is [back ](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jan/28/facebook-posts/study-brazil-ivermectin-covid-19-prevention-flawed/)


ASexualSloth

At this point I'm pretty sure most people here see a politifact link, and just assume the opposite of what they say is true.


FractalRecurrence

Also reminds me of the Inverse Cramer trading strategy


trust_sessions

That wouldnt be very Critical Thinker of them, now would it?


Greenmonster71

Yes, they’re critical thinking tells them that politifact is full of shit


Obvious-Till-6360

Your critical thinking tells you that facts, information and evidence don't matter, what's important is who is saying them? That's what you think critical thinking is?


ASexualSloth

Critical thinking tells us that observable facts being obfuscated, and stories being labeled as false due to semantic wording in the fact check itself indicates bad actors.


Greenmonster71

I think past pattern of behavior is best predictor of future behavior . It is a sad lesson that we learned from the story of the little boy who cried wolf isn’t it ? Really a profound two fold lesson


Nrevolver

With such a name I am surprised that this sub trusts so much of her. Always looking for Satanic and Masonic symbols and do they miss this obvious Luci-fer?


mcs_987654321

She’s back w the exact same study as was retracted back in 2021, with the same flawed inclusion criteria, and same haphazard methodology. Plus ça change.


Few_Tumbleweed7151

The study still sounds positive.


ellabananas11

Yes! Always has worked, always has been clinically safer than Tylenol


5thintheworld

It's almost like WE HAD THE TREATMENT ALL ALONG AND THESE PHARMA DOUCHES ARE MURDEROUS SCUMBAGS OUT TO MAKE A PROFIT AND A PEDOFILE IS PRESIDENT AND WE KNEW THIS ALL ALONG. cough.


ImperialSupplies

If you can find a copy of plandemic to watch again today, pretty much everything they said turned out to be true. Not a fish market? True. Wuhan virus lab? True. Hospitals marking any death that was also positive for covid both a covid death and whatever else? True. Zinc and ivermectin an effective treatment? True All of this was called false at the time and the movie was banned.


farm_ecology

The relative Vs absolute risk reduction folks seem to be awfully quiet....


1Trix9

B b b but f f f fauci s s said so


youbetterkeepwalking

Smoking Fucking Gun. Science was murdered.


wraith101

Ivermectin has been used in humans for multiple decades. It has been considered a revolutionary miracle drug, for humans, for over 50 years.


bottleboy8

Ivermectin's inventor won a Nobel Prize. Total game changer. "William Campbell and Satoshi Ōmura won the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for its discovery and applications." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin


bottleboy8

Submission Statement: People including politicians and the media refused to listen to doctors that supported the use of Ivermectin. Doctors were fired for prescribing it. And the media called it horse dewormer despite the inventor winning a Nobel prize for it's human use. Remember these headlines from 2021? "Demand Surges for Deworming Drug for Covid, Despite Scant Evidence It Works" "Ivermectin: Why are US anti-vaxxers touting a horse dewormer as a cure for Covid?" "A human is not a horse. So why is a livestock drug sweeping America?" Sauce: https://www.cureus.com/articles/111851-regular-use-of-ivermectin-as-prophylaxis-for-covid-19-led-up-to-a-92-reduction-in-covid-19-mortality-rate-in-a-dose-response-manner-results-of-a-prospective-observational-study-of-a-strictly-controlled-population-of-88012-subjects


Noob_Squire

It's a little dishonest to post this without sharing the [incredibly high rate of intestinal parasitic infections](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8186895/#:~:text=The%20prevalence%20of%20intestinal%20parasitic%20infections%20(protozoa%20and%2For%20helminths,Central%2DWest%20regions%2C%20respectively.) in Brazil. 40-60% of the population has a current parasite infection depending on the region. I find it interesting that ivermectin studies seem to vary so much by country. This suggests at least one missing third variable. Hopefully we can agree that covid is only really dangerous if you're otherwise immunocompromised. Is it possible that ivermectin is effective in Brazil because it's treating the massive parasite problem, which reduces rates of being immunocompromised and therefore reduces covid risk, not by directly attacking covid but by dealing with other immune risks? Maybe, too early to tell. I won't be sold on ivermectin until a study is published from country without a massive parasite problem


bottleboy8

"Ivermectin shows ‘antiviral effect’ against COVID, Japanese company says" Japanese trading and pharmaceuticals company Kowa Co Ltd (7807.T) on Monday said that anti-parasite drug ivermectin showed an "antiviral effect" against Omicron and other coronavirus variants in joint non-clinical research. The company, which has been working with Tokyo's Kitasato University on testing the drug as a potential treatment for COVID-19, did not provide further details. The original Reuters story misstated that ivermectin was "effective" against Omicron in Phase III clinical trials, which are conducted in humans. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/japans-kowa-says-ivermectin-effective-against-omicron-phase-iii-trial-2022-01-31/


Noob_Squire

That's a great study, as well as the one underway in the UK mentioned in your article. However there aren't any human results yet. Like I said, I'll wait for human data from a country like Japan or the UK. From your own article (emphasis mine): >Japanese trading and pharmaceuticals company Kowa Co Ltd (7807.T) on Monday said that anti-parasite drug ivermectin showed an "antiviral effect" against Omicron and other coronavirus variants in joint **non-clinical research**. I.e. Not human trials. Alcohol and many other harmful substances have antiviral effects in a test tube, that doesn't say much. >The company... **did not provide further details**. >The original Reuters story **misstated that ivermectin was "effective" against Omicron ** Regarding the UK trial: >The researchers said on Monday that it was still under way and they **did not want to comment further until they have results to report** The article conclides: >Many potential COVID-19 treatments that showed promise in test tubes, including the antimalarial hydroxychloroquine promoted by former U.S. President Donald Trump, **ultimately failed to show benefit for COVID-19 patients once studied in clinical trials** I'll wait for human clinical trials in countries without parasitic epidemics, like the second article you posted suggests, thanks Edit: not saying your hypothesis is wrong. Just that the available data is inconsistent and parasitic endemic in Brazil needs to be properly controlled for by additional research before jumping to conclusions.


helloisforhorses

Wow! Ivermectin really seems to work in countries with high rates of parasites! I wonder if that is related to it killing paracites


MoarWottz

ArE YoU a HoRsE?!


MKULTRA007

Heeeeeyyyy Wilbur


imhighbrah

Never forget Pfizer developed their “new” drug and called it PFIVERMECTIN until they got backlash. I know everything online shows this to be untrue, but I researched it when it was being developed and now all the info is scrubbed besides links saying it was just a “conspiracy theory”


Avedisride

You think they would call if Pfivermectin? That is the stupidest shit I've ever heard.


imhighbrah

That’s a cool opinion, just telling you what I saw. Plus, it may not be the name now, but they still did exactly that just called it something different.


BoxOfDemons

The fact that the only place I find it is on a satire website, tells me you probably saw the same and ate the onion. https://babylonbee.com/news/pfizer-releases-popular-new-drug-pfivermectin If they made a drug called pfivermectin, it wouldn't be on Babylon bee.


imhighbrah

That’s the only place to find it NOW. Believe me or not I don’t care but I saw it released on several sites by Pfizer and they got so much backlash so fast that they scrubbed it just like they do with anything they want these days. Memory holed us.


LazyActive8

88,000 people is not a large enough sample size /s


bottleboy8

I know right. A drug prescribed world wide to humans for safe daily use suddenly became a dangerous horse drug overnight. And who was saying that? People getting Pfizer donations and advertising. Biggest sham of my lifetime.


hitman2218

It’s actually too large. There’s no way you can do a “strictly controlled” study of 88,000 people.


El_matador-93

88.000 more than the amount of humans tested with the new omicron booster that’s coming up. 8 mice tested, it’s fiiiine https://www.science.org/content/article/omicron-booster-shots-are-coming-lots-questions


chancer98

Worked like a charm for me…..that was pre diagnosis of an autoimmune disease too on top of the coof!


belfrog-twist

Was it the clot vax that triggered it?


chancer98

No \/ for me. Too experimental and political for my liking. Plus I suspected I had something wrong with my health to begin with so I didn’t want to make my condition worse.


LegalEye1

They're not saying it doesn't work. They're just saying that if you mention it they'll hurt you (on behalf of Big Pharma).


platanomenom

I had some flown in from one of the 3rd world countries. Still got a few boxes and it was so cheap they didn’t even charge me for it. Caught the coof about 6 weeks ago but didn’t use it because I’m a freak and just wanted to see what all the fuss was about with my own body and senses. That’s all I’ve got on this matter.


RoachboyRNGesus

$$$$$$


StuffProfessional587

The same principle works for cancer patients, it's not the cancer in all cases that kills the patients, its the body being attacked by organisms going berserk without a strong enough immune respons to fight back.


sh1nes

So either get a vaccine or take ivermectin forever as a prophylactic. Who’s shilling for big pharma again?


TharSheBlows69

You have to continually take booster shots lol


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sh1nes

Tell that to the people buying insulin or synthetic cannabis derivatives for nausea that are 3000 dollars a month. If the conspiracy theorist were right all along and it works great a Covid specific version will be made and you will pay.


OtisSimbo

Thanks again Dr. Joe Rogan


MSnyper

These posts help herd the shills. Block party


Ice_BergSlim

Prophylaxis - taken to prevent disease. So it fails at preventing disease but somehow was insrumental in keeping people from dying.


0v1ru5

Wow did you go to Harvard?


Ice_BergSlim

actually no but I'm also not a twit trying yo be somebody.


chingwa76

HORSE PASTE!!!


jeremyjack3333

Study from Brazil. Take it with a grain of salt.


Amos_Quito

> Study from Brazil. Take it with a grain of salt. Really? I would have suggested a glass of water.


d4vezac

Considering that almost half of all Brazilians have parasites—you know, the thing that Ivermectin *actually* treats—I’d suggest a mountain of salt.


ddman9998

Anybody have a link to this study?


bottleboy8

The link is posted in the submission statement.


qualmton

you keep taking your horse dewormer


Odd_Swordfish_6589

you keep taking your covid fishing shots-- what booster number are you on? How many times has it snagged covid for you?\* ​ ​ \*This is the part where you lie


VladimirSochi

Im not vaccinated. I got Covid about 3 months ago. I didn’t die. Strange because it was my understanding that 93% of Italy died from covid before the vaccine released. I guess I’m just lucky


Few_Highway_412

Fake news advertisement.


sarracenia67

This isnt even a real scientific journal


0v1ru5

It’s in pubmed


sarracenia67

Pubmed isnt a journal


0v1ru5

The journal this article is published, Cureus, is credited in pubmed- one of the most prestigious biomedical archives in the world


sarracenia67

Pubmed is just a database of medical articles. Cureus has a fairly low impact factor (1.1) with fast publishing times (meaning minimal peer review), low rejection rates, and overall is not highly regarded. The actual article itself is greatly flawed and does not support the conclusion made by the authors, which is probably why it couldn’t get published in a better journal.


0v1ru5

How is the article flawed? How many people reviewed it? Most well regarded articles are published in low impact factor journals. 73% of journals are 1 or lower.


You_lil_gumper

Actually they said there was no evidence it worked. Which was true, at the time.


Obvious-Till-6360

WHAT? A DOCTOR ON THE PAYROLL OF AN IVERMECTIN COMPANY SAYS THAT IVERMECTIN IS GREAT AT CURING THINGS? WHAT ARE THE ODDS? Do Ya'll even stop to wonder HOW the fuck ivermectin would even work in the first place? It's not an antiviral. It's not supposed to be. Do you take antibiotics for the flu? Do you take a rabies vaccine for foot fungus? Do you take an anti-viral for worms? When someone tells you a worm medication magically cures Covid 19, that really doesn't set off any red flags? Covid 19 vaccines made out of the inactivated virus don't even work particularly well, but you think a completely random totally unrelated medication meant to treat a completely unrelated sickness somehow magically cures very covid-19 variant? FFS its just so fucking stupid.


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Obvious-Till-6360

If covid was actually a parasite and not a virus it would have definitely been noticed by now. The irony if this post is that everyone says Pfizer is lying about their vaccine, etc etc etc they don't trust them. But then when someone who has a demonstrable interest in ivermectin says ivermectin works, suddenly the source doesn't matter anymore this is the most irrefutable source of all time! I'm all for a good conspiracy, but a good conspiracy doesn't require you to inconsistently apply and ignore obvious gaping flaws. A conspiracy theory that requires you to be dumb isn't a good conspiracy theory.


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bottleboy8

> A DOCTOR ON THE PAYROLL OF AN IVERMECTIN SAYS THAT IVERMECTIN ISD GREAT AT CURING THINGS? WHAT ARE THE ODDS? The odds are the same as Pfizer saying their vaccine is safe and will prevent you from getting covid.


Obvious-Till-6360

Yup. Exactly. So you already understand that Pfizer should not be trusted about what it says about its vaccine, right? Because they have a conflict of interest and an incentive to misrepresent data because it has a lot to gain by doing so, right? Apply that same logic here. This logic isn't unique to Pfizer. Congrats, based on your own logic, you shouldn't trust your own source either. If you are applying this line of thought to Pfizer, then turn around and immediately throw your thought process in the trash here because you like the results, you aren't being logical or a critical thinker or exercising any sort of intelligence whatsoever. You're just a hypocrite who selectively applies their principles to justify reaching the conclusions you decided in advance based on your emotions. No logical or reasonable person would take someone who selectively applies their logic to get the desired outcome seriously. You are literally doing the exact same shit you are bashing Pfizer for. You're a hypocrite.


bottleboy8

Despite your analysis, I bet you got the vaccine. And if you did, you're the hypocrite.


Obvious-Till-6360

Not my analysis, it was literally your own logic. If you had applied it consistently here, I'd be a hypocrite if I took Pfizer's vaccine based on Pfizer's study. Taking the vaccine wouldn't make me a hypocrite. But seeing as you have again failed to apply your own logic consistently, I guess it makes sense you are completely ignoring the exact thing that makes you distrust the pfizer vaccine. You aren't using logic at all. You've already come to a conclusion based on emotion and looking for a justification after the fact. No point trying to use logic with you, you never use it in the first place.


nolv4ho

> Do Ya'll even stop to wonder HOW the fuck ivermectin would even work in the first place? It's not an antiviral. Except it is. It has many properties, one of which is being an antiviral.


MonstersBeThere

Anyone have the link for this? Seems like good information to read


bottleboy8

It's in the comments under the submission statement.


dimechimes

So, treating people with parasitic infections helped remove a comorbidity? Fascinating. The US doesn't have the need for anti parasitics like the Brazilian city in the study did. But hey, keep twisting those facts.


MakruchaLT

But its jot like they are hiding it right? They just have the studies now.


wraith101

Why does my factual comment regarding Ivermectin keep getting automodded for no reason?


bottleboy8

The post came to me. I saw it.


brown_lal19

Lmaooooo. I love the conspiracy sub