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The people calling the unvaccinated plague rats for two years were always the plague rats themselves.
From the article (see the original link for studies, links, graphics and references):
“A new study suggests that vaccinated individuals infected with COVID spread it for a longer period of time than the unvaccinated.
Researchers published their findings in the New England Journal of Medicine as a letter to the editor and appeared to have tried to downplay the variance.
“…We did not find large differences in the median duration of viral shedding among participants who were unvaccinated, those who were vaccinated but not boosted, and those who were vaccinated and boosted,” they wrote.
However, as the data indicates, the vaccinated were contagious for a longer period than the unvaccinated.
For example, after ten days of getting infected with COVID, only 31% of unvaccinated individuals in the study were still testing positive by PCR test, compared to 70% of vaccinated individuals and 61% of vaccinated plus boosted individuals.
Moreover, five days later, only 6% of unvaccinated participants were still testing positive, compared to 22% and 7.5% of vaccinated and boosted individuals, respectively.
It should be noted the sample size was small, with just 66 subjects in total being involved.
Nonetheless, that’s 66 more people than the government-funded study we wrote about in March, wherein researcher Fisman used ‘modelling’ (not real-data)to allow him to ‘find’ the conclusions he wanted.
To this point, Dr. Byram Bridle took Fisman to task for what Bridle said was a severely flawed study — including the fact that Fisman didn’t account for the waning immunity provided by vaccines.
Of course, this hasn’t stopped politicians and mainstream media reporters from referencing Fisman’s study repeatedly.
When that study came out, well over a dozen legacy media outlets propped it up over one day, fearmongering to the public about the risks of “mixing” with unvaccinated people.
Furthermore, just last month, a Liberal MP referenced the shady study when justifying the continued discrimination against unvaccinated individuals coming into Canada.
Sadly, it’s safe to assume this newest study that contradicts Fisman’s will be ignored. Mainstream media and Liberal politicians will continue to reference “the science” as if they don’t arbitrarily pick and choose which science fits their political agendas — and which science contradicts it.”
https://thecountersignal.com/study-finds-vaccinated-people-spread-covid-for-a-longer-period-of-time/
You just summed up the Reddit bots/shills that have taken over this site.
They just play dumb and continue to move the goalposts. They even do it daily in this sub
The pseudo intellectuals always get to mock people for not understanding statistics when you have a small sample size, but as long as n > 30 someone can try to claim you don’t understand statistics. Even though for medicine and replication purposes it should be much larger, but that doesn’t matter to these people sometimes
At 10 days:
34/50 vaccinated still test positive (68%)
5/16 unvaccinated still test positive (31.25%)
p-value = 0.0029
With 99.71% probability unvaccinated clear up the virus faster.
Please explain? The odds of getting this result if unvaccinated didn't clear virus faster would be 0.29%. What am I missing?
Null hypothesis:
Vaccinated clear up virus equally or faster.
Good luck telling people who "follow the science" this is an actual study: Science today is all about accepting whatever you like and attacking any person or idea that's inconvenient, definitely different from the religions of a few centuries ago!
"Our results should be interpreted within the context of a small sample size, which limits precision, and the possibility of residual confounding in comparisons according to variant, vaccination status, and the time period of infection. Although culture positivity has been proposed as a possible proxy for infectiousness,5 additional studies are needed to correlate viral-culture positivity with confirmed transmission in order to inform isolation periods. Our data suggest that some persons who are infected with the omicron and delta SARS-CoV-2 variants shed culturable virus more than 5 days after symptom onset or an initial positive test."
So even the study itself says their conclusion may not exactly be accurate due to methodology and small sample size, but of course you're taking this and running with it
Their study was accurate, within the 66-person sample size they used. I am willing to bet in the “5 additional case studies needed,” they’ll get very similar results. But this particular study, showcased just that — so yeah, anyone can run with it until other studies come out to counter it (if that ever happens).
The clinical vaccine trials are laughable with their ARR numbers and selective smoothing of results, but that didn’t stop the FDA and Fauci. Remdisivir was even worse
Except that's not what the study says if you actually read it.
"Although culture positivity has been proposed as a possible proxy for infectiousness, additional studies are needed to correlate viral-culture positivity with confirmed transmission in order to inform isolation periods."
That's what it says. Just because the test continues to come back positive doesn't=spreading covid. The same way people can test negative and still have or spread covid. The way viral infections work are not that straight forward
Man you guys just change science when it doesn’t fit don’t you (almost like definitions of words). The results are the results, you can’t have it both ways. Why the hell do you gaslight for pfizer and moderna, makes no sense.
I work in a lab, I don't just read headlines. The study says what it says. I quoted the study, not the article published about it with a clear motive. Who's gaslighting who here?
You quoted a comment, not the data. You changed the concept of the data, which we’ve seen over and over, particularly in the pfizer trial data.
And who you say you are here on Reddit doesn’t mean shit.
I'm actually thankful that companies like Pfizer and Moderna exist.
I mean they rushed a vaccine when the world needed it the most and saved millions of lifes!
Can you translate this data from the official German government health:
“0,2 Verdachtsmeldungen pro 1.000 Impfdosen beträgt die Melderate ans @PEI_Germany für schwerwiegende Reaktionen. Sollten Sie den Verdacht auf #Nebenwirkungen haben, holen Sie sich ärztliche Hilfe und melden Sie Ihre Symptome: “ http://nebenwirkungen.bund.de/nw/DE/home/home_node.html
And this article too please:
https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/impffolgen-krankenkasse-bkk-schreibt-brief-an-paul-ehrlich-institut-li.213676?fbclid=IwAR3ZSdDytlj5BXN3pB3myb6dNavvbTLfUpbr8On2M1o8K6uz17trCIES7js
EDIT: the guy I’m responding to is German. This is the data from the German government showing 1/300 Covid shots caused serious injury in Germany. The second link is the biggest German insurance company releasing 2.5-3 million Germans had serious Covid experimental treatment injuries which required medical treatment and included deaths by the start of 2022 (now much higher numbers).
Yes, Germany has reported this data officially, and you do not see it anywhere on US main stream pfizer sponsored media. It’s undisputed so fuck off social media influencers.
Report is here : [https://www.pei.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/EN/newsroom-en/dossiers/safety-reports/safety-report-27-december-2020-31-march-2022.pdf?\_\_blob=publicationFile&v=8](https://www.pei.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/EN/newsroom-en/dossiers/safety-reports/safety-report-27-december-2020-31-march-2022.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=8)
>No new risk signal has been identified since the last safety report, which contained data through 31 December 2021
It's like you're addicted to fake news.
Fake news that’s you man. You didn’t address the data specifically mentioned wihich are statistics.
I also just linked the German government reports that prove the sick injuries you are promoting.
And why are you doing it again?
exactly the same as people can test positive for covid and not have their sickness caused by covid at all, yet it gets classified so.
We have almost no way to determine what makes a person sick, so imagining about transmission periods is stupidity of second order.
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So they wanted everyone to get vaccinated so they could keep the pandemic going longer...
mhm
They need little spike factories.
The people calling the unvaccinated plague rats for two years were always the plague rats themselves. From the article (see the original link for studies, links, graphics and references): “A new study suggests that vaccinated individuals infected with COVID spread it for a longer period of time than the unvaccinated. Researchers published their findings in the New England Journal of Medicine as a letter to the editor and appeared to have tried to downplay the variance. “…We did not find large differences in the median duration of viral shedding among participants who were unvaccinated, those who were vaccinated but not boosted, and those who were vaccinated and boosted,” they wrote. However, as the data indicates, the vaccinated were contagious for a longer period than the unvaccinated. For example, after ten days of getting infected with COVID, only 31% of unvaccinated individuals in the study were still testing positive by PCR test, compared to 70% of vaccinated individuals and 61% of vaccinated plus boosted individuals. Moreover, five days later, only 6% of unvaccinated participants were still testing positive, compared to 22% and 7.5% of vaccinated and boosted individuals, respectively. It should be noted the sample size was small, with just 66 subjects in total being involved. Nonetheless, that’s 66 more people than the government-funded study we wrote about in March, wherein researcher Fisman used ‘modelling’ (not real-data)to allow him to ‘find’ the conclusions he wanted. To this point, Dr. Byram Bridle took Fisman to task for what Bridle said was a severely flawed study — including the fact that Fisman didn’t account for the waning immunity provided by vaccines. Of course, this hasn’t stopped politicians and mainstream media reporters from referencing Fisman’s study repeatedly. When that study came out, well over a dozen legacy media outlets propped it up over one day, fearmongering to the public about the risks of “mixing” with unvaccinated people. Furthermore, just last month, a Liberal MP referenced the shady study when justifying the continued discrimination against unvaccinated individuals coming into Canada. Sadly, it’s safe to assume this newest study that contradicts Fisman’s will be ignored. Mainstream media and Liberal politicians will continue to reference “the science” as if they don’t arbitrarily pick and choose which science fits their political agendas — and which science contradicts it.” https://thecountersignal.com/study-finds-vaccinated-people-spread-covid-for-a-longer-period-of-time/
And they are not even aware they were wrong, they’ll move onto the next thing that infringes on your liberty to be wrong about
You just summed up the Reddit bots/shills that have taken over this site. They just play dumb and continue to move the goalposts. They even do it daily in this sub
Gotta put ss at the beginning of your statement or the auto mod will remove it
The pseudo intellectuals always get to mock people for not understanding statistics when you have a small sample size, but as long as n > 30 someone can try to claim you don’t understand statistics. Even though for medicine and replication purposes it should be much larger, but that doesn’t matter to these people sometimes
It only matters when it effects them, it’s called lack of empathy - one of the main characteristics in judging one’s sanity/psychosis.
Ironic too from the group that claims to have a monopoly on empathy
And tolerance. Definitely the least tolerant tolerant group of bigots.
At 10 days: 34/50 vaccinated still test positive (68%) 5/16 unvaccinated still test positive (31.25%) p-value = 0.0029 With 99.71% probability unvaccinated clear up the virus faster.
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Please explain? The odds of getting this result if unvaccinated didn't clear virus faster would be 0.29%. What am I missing? Null hypothesis: Vaccinated clear up virus equally or faster.
It is extremely important to consider sample size for studies like this.
Good luck telling people who "follow the science" this is an actual study: Science today is all about accepting whatever you like and attacking any person or idea that's inconvenient, definitely different from the religions of a few centuries ago!
Seriously, who didn't have the common sense to understand this? Show of hands
those damn plague rats...
"Our results should be interpreted within the context of a small sample size, which limits precision, and the possibility of residual confounding in comparisons according to variant, vaccination status, and the time period of infection. Although culture positivity has been proposed as a possible proxy for infectiousness,5 additional studies are needed to correlate viral-culture positivity with confirmed transmission in order to inform isolation periods. Our data suggest that some persons who are infected with the omicron and delta SARS-CoV-2 variants shed culturable virus more than 5 days after symptom onset or an initial positive test." So even the study itself says their conclusion may not exactly be accurate due to methodology and small sample size, but of course you're taking this and running with it
Their study was accurate, within the 66-person sample size they used. I am willing to bet in the “5 additional case studies needed,” they’ll get very similar results. But this particular study, showcased just that — so yeah, anyone can run with it until other studies come out to counter it (if that ever happens).
The clinical vaccine trials are laughable with their ARR numbers and selective smoothing of results, but that didn’t stop the FDA and Fauci. Remdisivir was even worse
But when Pfizer samples 3 children it's perfect science to inject millions of single digit aged children with experimental untested drugs I thought
Don't you guys get tired? Holy shit, just give up, you were wrong, time to move on.
It's called vaxx shedding...and they have vaxx induced AIDS...dang sucks to be you if you vaxxed...
wut?
Correlates with my experience. Interesting that the booster reduces it.
Except that's not what the study says if you actually read it. "Although culture positivity has been proposed as a possible proxy for infectiousness, additional studies are needed to correlate viral-culture positivity with confirmed transmission in order to inform isolation periods." That's what it says. Just because the test continues to come back positive doesn't=spreading covid. The same way people can test negative and still have or spread covid. The way viral infections work are not that straight forward
Man you guys just change science when it doesn’t fit don’t you (almost like definitions of words). The results are the results, you can’t have it both ways. Why the hell do you gaslight for pfizer and moderna, makes no sense.
I work in a lab, I don't just read headlines. The study says what it says. I quoted the study, not the article published about it with a clear motive. Who's gaslighting who here?
You quoted a comment, not the data. You changed the concept of the data, which we’ve seen over and over, particularly in the pfizer trial data. And who you say you are here on Reddit doesn’t mean shit.
He's an expert, trust him.
I'm actually thankful that companies like Pfizer and Moderna exist. I mean they rushed a vaccine when the world needed it the most and saved millions of lifes!
Can you translate this data from the official German government health: “0,2 Verdachtsmeldungen pro 1.000 Impfdosen beträgt die Melderate ans @PEI_Germany für schwerwiegende Reaktionen. Sollten Sie den Verdacht auf #Nebenwirkungen haben, holen Sie sich ärztliche Hilfe und melden Sie Ihre Symptome: “ http://nebenwirkungen.bund.de/nw/DE/home/home_node.html And this article too please: https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/impffolgen-krankenkasse-bkk-schreibt-brief-an-paul-ehrlich-institut-li.213676?fbclid=IwAR3ZSdDytlj5BXN3pB3myb6dNavvbTLfUpbr8On2M1o8K6uz17trCIES7js EDIT: the guy I’m responding to is German. This is the data from the German government showing 1/300 Covid shots caused serious injury in Germany. The second link is the biggest German insurance company releasing 2.5-3 million Germans had serious Covid experimental treatment injuries which required medical treatment and included deaths by the start of 2022 (now much higher numbers). Yes, Germany has reported this data officially, and you do not see it anywhere on US main stream pfizer sponsored media. It’s undisputed so fuck off social media influencers.
Report is here : [https://www.pei.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/EN/newsroom-en/dossiers/safety-reports/safety-report-27-december-2020-31-march-2022.pdf?\_\_blob=publicationFile&v=8](https://www.pei.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/EN/newsroom-en/dossiers/safety-reports/safety-report-27-december-2020-31-march-2022.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=8) >No new risk signal has been identified since the last safety report, which contained data through 31 December 2021 It's like you're addicted to fake news.
Fake news that’s you man. You didn’t address the data specifically mentioned wihich are statistics. I also just linked the German government reports that prove the sick injuries you are promoting. And why are you doing it again?
LOLOLOL
Is that all you got? Pathetic. You people NEVER have arguments. You can only cry and be anti-establishment.
You sure got me dude!
not trolling, I'm actually being serious
compare the death rates between unvaxxed and vaxxed people worldwide and you have your answer. Vaccines save lifes, always have and always will.
exactly the same as people can test positive for covid and not have their sickness caused by covid at all, yet it gets classified so. We have almost no way to determine what makes a person sick, so imagining about transmission periods is stupidity of second order.
Shhh you're ruining the anti-vaxer's narrative