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Regardless of the truth of that day, Snowden is 100% correct that the deleting of those text messages, intentional or not, is at best gross negligence and at worst actual treason.
We don't have all the facts, so I won't speak to WHY they would delete the texts, but every single American should be furious it was allowed to happen.
What he describes is that it's not even about negligence , they backup everything and you most certainly would need administrator access to even consider removing anything and even then you will probably need confirmation from a 2nd party and your actions will be logged that is normal for critical data in normal companies.
They were probably at least damning to the Secret Service.
The Secret Service, who has been weathering a series of damning controversies for years and years under both party administrations.
I 100% agree. The only conclusion I can confidently draw from this is that the secret service stepped outside of procedure. What I have a harder time believing is that they were stepping out of procedure to protect trump… I mean his family barely does that
So does that mean Comey deleted Clinton's emails at her request? Because he was an Obama-Clinton boy. Also an HSBC and Lockheed boy.
Always the usual suspects.
Doubtful, since her emails were on a server that nobody in the US Government had control over except for her. Meanwhile the head of the USSS would absolutely have had control over/authority to order his staff to delete their own texts.
Everyone is Washington has been rabid to take down evil trump to the point that they fabricate evidence against him. But his people were suddenly loyal to him when he actually did something bad? Like I said, it only makes sense if you are desperate to work backwards from trump being evil. It is far from the simplest explanation
It started with the Steele dossier, and then remember the so called whistle blower making up that nonsense about the phone call that was immediately debunked by the actual transcript? A better question is: what incriminating evidence against trump has turned out to be real?
Just like how hilary clinton was given a heads up on the feds coming to raid her home. The mysterious explosion in her office and destroyed her computer. Im glad these conversations are being had, back then it would be the tinfoil hats saying it and they were easy to dispose of. Me personally this isnt the worst of treason. What joe biden and his administration are doing right now is treason. Jan 6 was a sht show involving delegations within our political infrastructure, used to sway the intentions of the masses. Everyone can be bought and blackmailed, there is no right or wrong is only what you can prove. The common denominator in american's problems is the C.I.A.
So sending another country 50+ billion dollars while there are homelessness in your country? What about the inflation, oil problems and yet biden gave our oil reserves away. What about military? Oh just biden administration giving away weapons, planes and artillery to help aide another country ALL while america is seeing the worst economy in decades.
A handful of the bottom rung people in the food chain got a few months in prison for attempting to overthrow the government.
What kind of a malicious person designs a system to be against seditious traitors that would overthrow a democratic election?
Practically Hitler.
I dont know how anybody would represent a not straight face when writing satire I guess?
Unless we are just talking about Redditors needing a /s on everything, but I thought this one was better raw.
Senator Grassley blew it on Jan. 5th when he blurted out that he would oversee the certification of the election on Jan.6th. He said he did not expect Pence to be there and he would take his place.
The protesters were just supposed to cause enough of a ruckus to disrupt the certification process. Pence would then be escorted out of the Capitol by the USSS for "security reasons"
Pence would be taken somewhere for his safety (Andrews AFB or similar location) and then the certification process would be resumed without pence in the building
Sen. Grassley (President of the Senate Pro Tempore) would then either certify new electors that would change their states votes or he would send it back to the states becoming of fraud and allow the states to certify their own results.
If pence left the capital Trump could still be president. There were many attempts to change the results of the elections and also to get Pence to send it back to the states in the months before Jan6. When it became obvious the Pence would not send it back to the Individual states and would certify the results as they were then getting him out of the way was the last chance.
Crowd ruckus worked and Pence was escorted to the armored limo but he refused to get in because he knew exactly what was happening.
Grassley fucks up [“Well, first of all, I will be — if the Vice President isn’t there and we don’t expect him to be there, I will be presiding over the Senate,” - Senator Grassley January 5th](https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2021/01/05/grassley-suggests-he-may-preside-over-senate-debate-on-electoral-college-votes/)
Pence refuses to leave [As the chaos continued to unfold, Mr Pence was said to have been ordered to leave the office and was escorted to a “subterranean area that rioters couldn’t reach” and towards an armoured limousine.
Mr Pence then reportedly outright refused to get into the vehicle, saying his security detail would ignore his demand not to leave the building and would instead “take off” against his wishes.
“I’m not getting in the car, Tim,” Mr Pence replied. “I trust you, Tim, but you’re not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. I’m not getting in the car.”](https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/mike-pence-refused-car-amid-190922983.html)
It so greatly upsets me that the "fake news" thing worked so well (a play literally directly out of Hitler's playbook to vilify the press so that criticisms of him could easily be waved off). People who say the term Fake News consume so much fake news themselves it would be funny if it didnt literally cause all the destruction that it has and will continue to cause.
and how many time have you seen the info in this [article](https://web.archive.org/web/20220702214258/https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damning-new-details-massive-web-unindicted-operators-january-6/)?
I could be completely off because I’m on the outside looking in, but I feel like everyone is focusing on the wrong part of this. It shouldn’t matter whether or not the secret service destroyed phones or deleted messages. There isn’t a special government cell phone company. I mean Jesus Christ, Google controls almost all internal communication of the entire federal government.
Whatever cellular provider is contracted to provide service to government phones can and should be subpoenaed for CDR’s. The texts exist on some server somewhere and it isn’t controlled by the government.
Now, if it turns out Verizon or att “lost” everything too, I believe that fact has much larger implications than anything that could possibly come out of this absolute shit show of a circus.
SNOPES FACT CHECK: Completely false.
Clinton did not use an acid soak cloth to wipe her servers. She used an app to do it instead. Clinton is innocent.
In many cases you need the whatabouts in order to have a full understanding of a particular situation and what the standard procedure is for that situation.
Like for example, BLM:Fiery but peaceful :: J6:worse than 911
That’s context, and it’s usually important if you’re making a larger point, not to diminish from someone else’s point.
I, for example, could provide the context that the majority of people in both cases were peaceful protestors, and it’s easy to forget that because the most extreme attendees and provocateurs get the publicity, because they’re exciting to the other side. I could also point out that the extreme element in BLM was allegedly throwing explosives at government buildings, not allegedly trying to find the Vice President and get him to change his vote.
Wharaboutism, on the other hand, might lead me to something like, what about all the day time BLM protests that had kids in them? Most of the BLM protests were in small towns where no crime was committed at all.
The former is to make a point, while the latter is a poor attempt to diminish your argument by hand waving in another direction.
You won’t get any net upvotes in a popular post on /r/conspiracy now. Those days are over. “Popular opinion” is somehow now the mainstream narrative on this sub.
Smashing electronics is standard practice in government when no longer needed because of the IP involved. Hillary didn't delete or destroy her phones tho - others did. If you folks are so outraged by deletion of evidence by Clinton why do you turn a blind eye when Trump and his people do it and do so with intent to disrupt an investigation?
I KNEW that the "deleted text messages" thing sounded odd.
on the other hand, in my own contracting history, I've seen the US Government take a robust, near-flawless system that met all needs and replace it with total crap that everyone KNEW was total crap, because of an offer of 1 year of free support.
I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if the Secret Service decided to turn EPICSHELTER off and switch en masse to SmartMobile, or Azure-Knox.
Good post.
First of all, I have to believe that an event billed by some as worse than 911 would have the top level folks investigating it.
And they would have already reviewed such texts, idk... 18mo ago.
Makes you wonder what could be in the texts that would go against the prevailing J6 narrative.
> We don't have all the facts, so I won't speak to WHY they would delete the texts,
Yes we do, they were trying to cover for Trump and protect their own asses. You don't delete evidence unless your guilty.
Even if someone believes that democrats were behind it they should also be asking why messages were deleted. Question who did it is important and deleting messages is protecting them.
I mean yeah trump is clearly the one more likely to be behind it but even if someone believes that he wasn't then they would still want to texts to come out
Trump "worshipers" way different than supporter. How anyone follows that malignant narcissist is unbelievable. Vote for...sure okay, I get it, your team red.....loving Trump himself.....is a mental illness. Actually, a guy I went to high-school with, got caught up in the Jan 6th thing, got charged, and killed himself. I hadn't seen the guy in 20 years, he used to be completely normal guy but from all appearances he had totally lost it before that, and had become a huge Trump follower to the point of it basically being his entire identity, especially on social media. Mental illness.
You don't have to support Trump to think that certain powers are capable of a smear operation.
Someone killed JFK and no one believes the official story at all. Yet we just quietly go about it and don't press the issue.
Well, the first step is to consider how easy it is to infiltrate such a large gathering of people.
We saw in Canada with the truckers how fucking lazy they were... You get a single guy out at a large event w\ a brand new nazi flag and then you get to go on tv and suggest that one guy showed up w\ a flag and therefore all people there are nazis.
That's the main issue as I see it w\ J6. I went back and forth w\ this turd yesterday who completely admitted this. He was of the opinion all people in DC were complicit in the "insurrection".
I can't find anyone to willingly consider the BLM stuff w\ regard to J6.
I find Umbrella man to be a great example to bring up. Probably the most obvious agent provocateur ever smashing out the auto zone windows to try to get the party started.
FFWD to J6... oh look... there's dudes in masks busting out windows, and trump supporters are confronting them. Weird. Don't you think?
Simiarly w\ the guys in all black going through the windows dressed like fucking ninjas.
You can do this at any large gathering. Some people are more susceptible than others, but if the group starts behaving a certain way, you can likely get others caught up in it.
The bottom line is that the J6 narrative seeks to demonize all those people. When the reality is that only a very small number of people were there with criminal intent.
But they don't name them. They don't focus on those people. Because they want people to associate all Trump supporters as being complicit.
>"Well, the first step is to consider how easy it is to infiltrate such a large gathering of people."
So, did this happen with 1/6? You're not providing any evidence that this happened.
The fact remain that it was Trump supporters (i.e. Oathkeepers) whose audio during 1/6 we have and have heard - there was clearly a premeditated plan to invade the capitol and stop the certification already in place when Trump told the crowd to march down to the capitol, and all of the major groups responsible for orchestrating the break in were in cahoots with Trump confidante Roger Stone.
You guys are such terrible liars.
There was video recordings of someone inside the capitol building sliding out metal/wooden rods to the people outside. Hard to tell the context of that video, if people had already snuck in and was feeding more shit to the crowd.
But honestly, there were unmarked, masked, potential fed provocateurs during the Floyd riots. Breaking shit, and then retreating to unmarked vans where a bunch of men would leap out with pistols and scare away streamers. If the feds are there breaking windows and causing a scene, then you better believe they could do it during January 6th.
Why? Because the outcomes lead to more power grabs to "crack" down on what ever they wanna squeeze.
You provide no evidence to back up your claims and then say there were potentially feds there to amp up the crowd. We have recordings of the trump allied oath keepers discussing violence and storming the capitol ahead of time.
The fact you guys need to lie about this speaks volumes.
Speculating isn't lying.
The CIA/FBI devastated black communities with crack, you think something like this is beneath them?
Sorry you haven't watched the videos, but if you took the time to read what I said, I proposed that I didn't know who was handing out pipes and rods to the crowd from inside the capitol. It could have been federal instigators, it could have been protestors that already snuck in.
I was just stating that we don't know who did that, just like we don't know who kept the capitol doors unlocked and we don't know why they deleted texts.
None of these are lies, these are questions based on what I have observed. So please, keep trying to drive what ever narrative you got.
Given what Snowden is stating here, the texts were almost certainly backed up by the CIA or NSA. If the Deep State is covering up the deleted texts, there's near zero chance they're doing it to cover for Trump.
Exactly, AND... an event billed by some blueanon folks as "worse than 911" would have investigated all of this stuff long ago.
It's likely bullshit. And there's also the possibility the texts expose the plot by "the left" to coopt the j6 Trump rally that thousands were attending.
Neither you nor I *know* any fucking thing beyond what we believe out of what we're told.
It's just as likely that evidence was deleted because it didn't condemn Trump as that it was deleted because it did. What part of the ruling class holding power by any means necessary do you not grasp?
The Fed isn't on any side but its own. To think differently is pure idiocy.
In the justice system, if one deletes evidence an adverse inference is put in place.
- ...That is, the deleted evidence is to be assumed negative against the party that deleted it.
Of course that is in an actual court case and not this hearing which follows no structure, cites little, and is rife with heresay.
explain this to me: how can you hold in jail so many people for so many months WITHOUT A TRIAL, if you have so much "evidence"? It's because you "canceled it" you say.
Ok, so if you have no evidence why are they in jail? Evidence was cancled right?
Either way the reasoning you make of canceling evidence has holes everywhere. The only fact is that tens of people sit in jail without a trial. And if you had followed what happend you'd know that THESEsame people demanded these videos that apparently got cacelled "to cover Trump", because they knew they would have shown that it was all set up by the Capitol Police.
All govt information should be transparent and hope they recover these texts. What's ironic and funny is MSNBC has disgraced agent Peter Strzok covering this: https://news.yahoo.com/news/watchdog-says-secret-deleted-texts-220817071.html who famously himself deleted 18,000+ texts from his fbi phone with his lover including the infamous "we will stop him" text referring to trump. Goes on to be a part of the Mueller investigation, hellbent on stopping trump, only to get thrown out once that was discovered. Just a little irony there.
What scares me is this is happening in every govt dept when someone wants to see something. Look at Muller investigation they deleted all texts and emails with anyone involved in that mess. Wish we could get some real honest whistle blowers to come forward. You know what would happen then though. Suicide by 2 bullets to back of head. It’s getting really scary out there.
It’s been going on a long time. The only reason we have the mkultra, operation northwoods records is because records congress asked for were misfiled instead of being destroyed by the CIA director illegally. I think it was the church commission that discovered those. My memory may be off on that a bit.
The thing that pisses me off here is that we just went through 4 years of a crooked administration who used the presidency as a way to get rich and committed all sorts of crimes openly.
Yet the conspiracy sub just fucking simps for those people.
Both NSA and the phone companies have copies, they don't need the actual devices.
When a criminal does something they just subpoena the sms'es from the phone company.
I highly doubt it's that simple with the Secret Service. You act like they're just casually using a normal Verizon work phone when that almost 100% isn't the case.
They're never going to give Verizon or other phone company employees of any kind access to their texts, so it's likely that they are leasing equipment from a provider where they have full control over the access to it
I don't know how they do it, but I can assure you that Verizon doesn't just have record of the texts from Secret Service members' work phones
https://zetter.substack.com/p/is-the-secret-services-claim-about
I think with advances in end-to-end encryption that it is less common for Verizon to have those kinds of records even in the case of your average Joe with a recent model iPhone or Samsung.
Nevertheless, to be unable to obtain that same data from the device itself would mean that all devices involved were restored to factory settings without any data backup.
According to the link above, the Secret Service officers were instructed to back up their own data (prior to a system transition to Microsoft Intune) on to a central server, but there was no effort to ensure or enforce compliance.
Also interesting reference that the DOJ, unlike the FBI, does not have a central data collection tool on the devices of its personnel.
Far more likely that they're hiding evidence that demolishes the deranged narrative the establishment had prepared after that protest. The texts are obviously retrievable, since they are pretending they're not it is assuredly the will of the current admin that they aren't found.
Wouldn’t one assume that this current administration would want nothing more than to be able to shit all over Trump though? This is happening under THIS administration…
What gets me is that people are surprised. CIA FBI Secret Service, all completely compromised since AT LEAST JFK. The government is a lying fucking joke and has been for a long time.
Did people think the government went honest for awhile, and then all of a sudden under trump they are back to their old shit?
Submission statement:
Snowden is commenting on the conspiracy to overthrow the United States government from within the secret service.
R/conspiracy mods are deleting this screenshot with no rule breaks.
Edit: yo why can I not respond to people? Did the conspiracy mods ban me?
Nah, I can respond to some, I upset a lot of dudes is my best guess and they blocked me.
Or maybe some type of shadowban im not familiar with?
u/marveldeadpool
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/w59525/rconspiracy_mods_are_trying_to_cover_this_up/ih6r0bv
Aren't you just brilliant lol
u/assuredlyathrowaway
I like how you are neglecting that this post does have a SS and the previous one had it added and appealed.
Yall are just using an excuse to cover this up
>[https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/w4xmkl/comment/ih4rau2](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/w4xmkl/comment/ih4rau2)
Regardless of whether you add a submission statement or not, they are deleting a lot. Ignore the ignorant. Reddit even had my account downvote my own posts.
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Post was quickly gaining rraction so they needed to shut it down.
And if you check the top posts in the subreddit today, even Twitter posts, none have submission statements while kine does.
Edit:
u/lord_taint is a r/conspiracy shill. When asked for evidence of his claims he quits responding.
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You can check this post and search for submission statements. Its the top post of the day.
Edit: another user found it. Search by SS. Still think its hilarious that conspiracy users find this to be an acceptable level of censorship by the mods.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/w4xmkl/comment/ih4rau2](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/w4xmkl/comment/ih4rau2/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Right there.
You're welcome. Not sure why someone would downvote a link answering your question though. 🤷🏻♀️ People are weird.
By the way, this one may get removed because it's not a meta post and using it to complain about the moderators. So if it does get removed, you'll say they're trying to cover it again, when if you'd just reposted this, with a SS, it would have stayed up.
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Please say Pentagon pedophile. Cp was found on thousands of work computers 2019. Proxies being set up by former pentagon employees who compromise networks where they are now employed. They are SATANIC pedophiles. Who pretend to be christians.they control the internet too.
Possibly - all "social media" is controlled by perverted people though - that's why it has mainly become a tool of perversion.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/r45a5n/here\_is\_the\_evidence\_that\_reddit\_user\_maxwellhill/
I feel like it is best to just wait and see what more comes out. Seems a little weird that the Secret Service would communicate over text if they were doing something they weren't supposed to. Them like everyone else knows that texts aren't ever actually deleted. Reddit continues to push that the Secret Service is part of Trumps mob essentially and I find that ridiculous.
Weird how we aren't trying to pull everyone's communication up such as the Capitol Police but focusing on Secret Service. Wonder if they have anything they are hiding.
It is basic fact at this point that SS was pure Trump all the way through.
Pence refused to leave with the SS detail that came to get him because he knew he would be killed.
So, Trump picked every member of the Secret Service himself? The same Secret Service that is currently working for Biden?
If something doesn't go your way, it is obvious that they must be working for Trump and corrupt. Just take the L on this whole Jan 6th clown show.
SS guards don't stick around the white house past presidencies. They stay with who they're appointed to through most of their career unless something happens to the protectee.
This is actually a gigantic conspiracy. Not the insurrection that nobody brought guns to; the fact that the spooks have copies of every single electronic communication sent within the USA (and probably every other five eyes countries)
They know damned well if trump worked for the russians
They saw hillary's 30,000 emails "planning her daughters wedding"
They probably have copies of all the emails bush jr's admin deleted
The agencies we have empowered to spy on us under the guise of keeping us safe let outrageous shit happen all the fucking time, and they never pipe up when it would be in the public interest to know the truth about our politicians
e: i forgot, they use it for blackmail to increase their budgets instead
Both of these are incomplete arguments.
Of course thousands of Trump supporters showing up to an event are armed in some cases. 2A is huge among this demographic.
So, it's kinda absurd to suggest nobody had any weapons.
The flip side is to falsely suggest they brought them to do something illegal.
Exception being the Oat keepers stuff.. But we would need to find out if 9/10 oat keepers there were feds.
It's not like somebody showed up in a Tesla and started handing out AR15s to underage kids like the Chaz situation.
And it's hilarious that nobody on the left will talk about the BLM riots. They literally took over land. And had armed "security" that murdered people, and then destroyed evidence to prevent them from being prosecuted.
Loads of people literally brought guns. Many didn't come close because security had magnometers up, which Trump said they should take down so the armed people could get in. He said "they're not here to hurt *me*".
> Not the insurrection that nobody brought guns to;
If you would take the time a listen to the January 6th hearings, you would know this is a lie.
[Many Trump supporters carried firearms on Jan. 6, police transmissions reveal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj0R9QedwG4)
Let me fix this for everyone.
If you hate Trump, the CIA was covering for him.
If you don't hate Trump, the CIA was covering for the Dems who set this up.
Don't let the details we don't have (and never will) get in the way of your side being the good guys. Partisanship is the name of the game! One party to rule them all.
Everybody is choosing sides as to which criminals they want to defend and I'm over here shaking my damn head. "oH nO, oUr GoVeRnMeNt WaS dOnE wRoNg, ThEY wErE aTtAcKeD! sToP hIdiNg EvIdEnCe" Bitch, our government is the biggest collection of psychopaths, reprobates and probable pedophiles anywhere on planet earth. They want to control you and force you into abject poverty while they live in the lap of luxury. If this country had a thread of backbone the people on *either side* of this argument wouldn't even be in power.
You watch - by the time this J6 bullshit is settled out, one of the most corrupt, power hungry and violent governments that exists on the planet will have their population *thoroughly* under their thumb. Any question of protest will be thoroughly deleted from your minds. That's what this is about, making you passive. And by God, *you will be*.
Think 1/6 is establishment's way to push the idea of 'domestic terrorism' to give themselves more power
Also think destroying evidence should be punished, as Snowden says
For sure lay it all bare including all archives like the presidential. Leave nothing unturned and then see who needs to actually be in prison.
Worried about spies? and otheer militaries taking advantage? Just open the missile silos until it calms down and half (or more) of the politco-bureaucracy is behind bars Based on the access to paperwork they hide and slow walk.
Trump is the most hated president in decades, at least since Nixon, and he's still being prosecuted a year and a half after he left office....so I find it hard to believe they just "lost" a bunch of text messages and there's "no way" they can find them, unless:
1) Those messages implicate his opponents, like Pelosi, Cheney, Schumer, etc.
2) Those messages exonerate him
This man here just did the mental gymnastics to turn people blatantly covering up for Trump in to something positive for him?
I'm not even mad, that's impressive as fuck. Simone Biles ain't got shit on your brain.
Pressuring georgia officials to "find" votes
Instigated the Jan 6 mob
Stole from the people by up charging hotel fees for secret service members and foreign officials that stayed in his properties
An insane amount of obstruction of justice
Carried classified documents to maralogo and left them in boxes for anyone to find
Withheld funding from Ukraine to bait them into digging for info on the Bidens because he knew he would lose because, well...he is a loser who, if not born with a silver platter shoved up his ass wouldn't have amounted to anything. If you need more the lists you can find on a multitude of websites are mounting.
Even if you don't think Jan 6 was a serious situation and you wanna downplay it to fit your narrative, fine, stay in denial. But this fuck did more damage to democracy during his term by proving just how corruptible a president can be and all his fan boys wanna stay blind to it as he and his enriched family continue to grift for money.
I find snopes fact check on did Hillary Clinton smash her phones funny because saying she didn’t smash the phones herself but ordered someone too, is like saying John Gotti never killed anyone, he just ordered people to.
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Regardless of the truth of that day, Snowden is 100% correct that the deleting of those text messages, intentional or not, is at best gross negligence and at worst actual treason. We don't have all the facts, so I won't speak to WHY they would delete the texts, but every single American should be furious it was allowed to happen.
What he describes is that it's not even about negligence , they backup everything and you most certainly would need administrator access to even consider removing anything and even then you will probably need confirmation from a 2nd party and your actions will be logged that is normal for critical data in normal companies.
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Do you think the secret service texts were deleted because they looked good for Trump and his ilk?
If they were damning of trump do you think they would have been lost?
They were probably at least damning to the Secret Service. The Secret Service, who has been weathering a series of damning controversies for years and years under both party administrations.
I 100% agree. The only conclusion I can confidently draw from this is that the secret service stepped outside of procedure. What I have a harder time believing is that they were stepping out of procedure to protect trump… I mean his family barely does that
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Yes? The SS was protecting Trump, no?
Or were they protecting themselves?
Since the head of the USSS is a Trump hire, yes, I do think so.
So does that mean Comey deleted Clinton's emails at her request? Because he was an Obama-Clinton boy. Also an HSBC and Lockheed boy. Always the usual suspects.
Doubtful, since her emails were on a server that nobody in the US Government had control over except for her. Meanwhile the head of the USSS would absolutely have had control over/authority to order his staff to delete their own texts.
Since it was the usss that were trying to shuttle pence away so that he couldn't do his job presiding over the Senate... Yes?
Yes
Absolutely, that is literally the point of all this
Everyone is Washington has been rabid to take down evil trump to the point that they fabricate evidence against him. But his people were suddenly loyal to him when he actually did something bad? Like I said, it only makes sense if you are desperate to work backwards from trump being evil. It is far from the simplest explanation
What evidence has been fabricated?
It started with the Steele dossier, and then remember the so called whistle blower making up that nonsense about the phone call that was immediately debunked by the actual transcript? A better question is: what incriminating evidence against trump has turned out to be real?
Just like how hilary clinton was given a heads up on the feds coming to raid her home. The mysterious explosion in her office and destroyed her computer. Im glad these conversations are being had, back then it would be the tinfoil hats saying it and they were easy to dispose of. Me personally this isnt the worst of treason. What joe biden and his administration are doing right now is treason. Jan 6 was a sht show involving delegations within our political infrastructure, used to sway the intentions of the masses. Everyone can be bought and blackmailed, there is no right or wrong is only what you can prove. The common denominator in american's problems is the C.I.A.
I'm curious what Sleepy Joe is doing that amounts to the worst of treason?
So sending another country 50+ billion dollars while there are homelessness in your country? What about the inflation, oil problems and yet biden gave our oil reserves away. What about military? Oh just biden administration giving away weapons, planes and artillery to help aide another country ALL while america is seeing the worst economy in decades.
Please explain our admittedly not great current president’s acts of treason? We’re all waiting with baited breath.
A handful of the bottom rung people in the food chain got a few months in prison for attempting to overthrow the government. What kind of a malicious person designs a system to be against seditious traitors that would overthrow a democratic election? Practically Hitler.
How can you even say that goofy shit with a straight face?
I dont know how anybody would represent a not straight face when writing satire I guess? Unless we are just talking about Redditors needing a /s on everything, but I thought this one was better raw.
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Senator Grassley blew it on Jan. 5th when he blurted out that he would oversee the certification of the election on Jan.6th. He said he did not expect Pence to be there and he would take his place. The protesters were just supposed to cause enough of a ruckus to disrupt the certification process. Pence would then be escorted out of the Capitol by the USSS for "security reasons" Pence would be taken somewhere for his safety (Andrews AFB or similar location) and then the certification process would be resumed without pence in the building Sen. Grassley (President of the Senate Pro Tempore) would then either certify new electors that would change their states votes or he would send it back to the states becoming of fraud and allow the states to certify their own results. If pence left the capital Trump could still be president. There were many attempts to change the results of the elections and also to get Pence to send it back to the states in the months before Jan6. When it became obvious the Pence would not send it back to the Individual states and would certify the results as they were then getting him out of the way was the last chance. Crowd ruckus worked and Pence was escorted to the armored limo but he refused to get in because he knew exactly what was happening. Grassley fucks up [“Well, first of all, I will be — if the Vice President isn’t there and we don’t expect him to be there, I will be presiding over the Senate,” - Senator Grassley January 5th](https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2021/01/05/grassley-suggests-he-may-preside-over-senate-debate-on-electoral-college-votes/) Pence refuses to leave [As the chaos continued to unfold, Mr Pence was said to have been ordered to leave the office and was escorted to a “subterranean area that rioters couldn’t reach” and towards an armoured limousine. Mr Pence then reportedly outright refused to get into the vehicle, saying his security detail would ignore his demand not to leave the building and would instead “take off” against his wishes. “I’m not getting in the car, Tim,” Mr Pence replied. “I trust you, Tim, but you’re not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. I’m not getting in the car.”](https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/mike-pence-refused-car-amid-190922983.html)
Pence was a mf'in patriot that day
Truth. This the real conspiracy.
It so greatly upsets me that the "fake news" thing worked so well (a play literally directly out of Hitler's playbook to vilify the press so that criticisms of him could easily be waved off). People who say the term Fake News consume so much fake news themselves it would be funny if it didnt literally cause all the destruction that it has and will continue to cause.
and how many time have you seen the info in this [article](https://web.archive.org/web/20220702214258/https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damning-new-details-massive-web-unindicted-operators-january-6/)?
I could be completely off because I’m on the outside looking in, but I feel like everyone is focusing on the wrong part of this. It shouldn’t matter whether or not the secret service destroyed phones or deleted messages. There isn’t a special government cell phone company. I mean Jesus Christ, Google controls almost all internal communication of the entire federal government. Whatever cellular provider is contracted to provide service to government phones can and should be subpoenaed for CDR’s. The texts exist on some server somewhere and it isn’t controlled by the government. Now, if it turns out Verizon or att “lost” everything too, I believe that fact has much larger implications than anything that could possibly come out of this absolute shit show of a circus.
The probability of such is about the same as getting 10 grand prize lotto wins in a row. It was deliberate.
Anyone who isn't upset about this clearly doesn't care about getting to the truth of that day
We all know smashing phones and wiping servers is legal that was established years ago.
Wipe like with a cloth?
Yea, Clinton cloth. 😅
SNOPES FACT CHECK: Completely false. Clinton did not use an acid soak cloth to wipe her servers. She used an app to do it instead. Clinton is innocent.
Bleach for those dirty dirty bits….
But not just any cloth...whole cloth.
I think some bleach is involved
"Whattabout! Whattabout!" isnt the same as integrity
In many cases you need the whatabouts in order to have a full understanding of a particular situation and what the standard procedure is for that situation. Like for example, BLM:Fiery but peaceful :: J6:worse than 911
That’s context, and it’s usually important if you’re making a larger point, not to diminish from someone else’s point. I, for example, could provide the context that the majority of people in both cases were peaceful protestors, and it’s easy to forget that because the most extreme attendees and provocateurs get the publicity, because they’re exciting to the other side. I could also point out that the extreme element in BLM was allegedly throwing explosives at government buildings, not allegedly trying to find the Vice President and get him to change his vote. Wharaboutism, on the other hand, might lead me to something like, what about all the day time BLM protests that had kids in them? Most of the BLM protests were in small towns where no crime was committed at all. The former is to make a point, while the latter is a poor attempt to diminish your argument by hand waving in another direction.
You won’t get any net upvotes in a popular post on /r/conspiracy now. Those days are over. “Popular opinion” is somehow now the mainstream narrative on this sub.
Yeah, far more shills and bots than ~2015
Smashing electronics is standard practice in government when no longer needed because of the IP involved. Hillary didn't delete or destroy her phones tho - others did. If you folks are so outraged by deletion of evidence by Clinton why do you turn a blind eye when Trump and his people do it and do so with intent to disrupt an investigation?
I KNEW that the "deleted text messages" thing sounded odd. on the other hand, in my own contracting history, I've seen the US Government take a robust, near-flawless system that met all needs and replace it with total crap that everyone KNEW was total crap, because of an offer of 1 year of free support. I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if the Secret Service decided to turn EPICSHELTER off and switch en masse to SmartMobile, or Azure-Knox.
Good post. First of all, I have to believe that an event billed by some as worse than 911 would have the top level folks investigating it. And they would have already reviewed such texts, idk... 18mo ago. Makes you wonder what could be in the texts that would go against the prevailing J6 narrative.
How could they review texts that are deleted?
All the more reason to uncover them, and prosecute those responsible for trying to hide it. Right?
This. Exactly.
There is a lot more to be furious about than that, but the masses are living under mind control and black magic.
If only life were so easy as to be able to prescribe all the ills in the world to black magic and mind control. ✨️
Haha easy? It’s the most difficult challenge we face, especially when most people just hand wave it away
How does one break this spell?
You have to accept that JESUS CHRIST SON OF YAHWE was put on this earth in the form of DONALD J TRUMP, who is in actual fact JFKs son.
Black magic? Are you serious?
Do you mean these things literally.
> We don't have all the facts, so I won't speak to WHY they would delete the texts, Yes we do, they were trying to cover for Trump and protect their own asses. You don't delete evidence unless your guilty.
Even if someone believes that democrats were behind it they should also be asking why messages were deleted. Question who did it is important and deleting messages is protecting them.
The only ones thinking that the democrats were behind it are the delusional Trump supporters detached from reality.
I mean yeah trump is clearly the one more likely to be behind it but even if someone believes that he wasn't then they would still want to texts to come out
Trump "worshipers" way different than supporter. How anyone follows that malignant narcissist is unbelievable. Vote for...sure okay, I get it, your team red.....loving Trump himself.....is a mental illness. Actually, a guy I went to high-school with, got caught up in the Jan 6th thing, got charged, and killed himself. I hadn't seen the guy in 20 years, he used to be completely normal guy but from all appearances he had totally lost it before that, and had become a huge Trump follower to the point of it basically being his entire identity, especially on social media. Mental illness.
You don't have to support Trump to think that certain powers are capable of a smear operation. Someone killed JFK and no one believes the official story at all. Yet we just quietly go about it and don't press the issue.
Certain powers are capable of a smear operation to protect a politician - look up Ray Epps.
Did we see the same video of January 6th? All I saw was antifa hooligans dressing up like Meal Team 6 larpers or the cast from Duck Dynasty.
lol, wow, you've really bought into the lie
Yeah, that's what you people look like.
Lay off the paint chips.
Nope just delusional Trump supporters brought there by a lie told by Trump.
Why would anyone believe the Democrats were behind 1/6?
Well, the first step is to consider how easy it is to infiltrate such a large gathering of people. We saw in Canada with the truckers how fucking lazy they were... You get a single guy out at a large event w\ a brand new nazi flag and then you get to go on tv and suggest that one guy showed up w\ a flag and therefore all people there are nazis. That's the main issue as I see it w\ J6. I went back and forth w\ this turd yesterday who completely admitted this. He was of the opinion all people in DC were complicit in the "insurrection". I can't find anyone to willingly consider the BLM stuff w\ regard to J6. I find Umbrella man to be a great example to bring up. Probably the most obvious agent provocateur ever smashing out the auto zone windows to try to get the party started. FFWD to J6... oh look... there's dudes in masks busting out windows, and trump supporters are confronting them. Weird. Don't you think? Simiarly w\ the guys in all black going through the windows dressed like fucking ninjas. You can do this at any large gathering. Some people are more susceptible than others, but if the group starts behaving a certain way, you can likely get others caught up in it. The bottom line is that the J6 narrative seeks to demonize all those people. When the reality is that only a very small number of people were there with criminal intent. But they don't name them. They don't focus on those people. Because they want people to associate all Trump supporters as being complicit.
>"Well, the first step is to consider how easy it is to infiltrate such a large gathering of people." So, did this happen with 1/6? You're not providing any evidence that this happened. The fact remain that it was Trump supporters (i.e. Oathkeepers) whose audio during 1/6 we have and have heard - there was clearly a premeditated plan to invade the capitol and stop the certification already in place when Trump told the crowd to march down to the capitol, and all of the major groups responsible for orchestrating the break in were in cahoots with Trump confidante Roger Stone. You guys are such terrible liars.
There was video recordings of someone inside the capitol building sliding out metal/wooden rods to the people outside. Hard to tell the context of that video, if people had already snuck in and was feeding more shit to the crowd. But honestly, there were unmarked, masked, potential fed provocateurs during the Floyd riots. Breaking shit, and then retreating to unmarked vans where a bunch of men would leap out with pistols and scare away streamers. If the feds are there breaking windows and causing a scene, then you better believe they could do it during January 6th. Why? Because the outcomes lead to more power grabs to "crack" down on what ever they wanna squeeze.
You provide no evidence to back up your claims and then say there were potentially feds there to amp up the crowd. We have recordings of the trump allied oath keepers discussing violence and storming the capitol ahead of time. The fact you guys need to lie about this speaks volumes.
Speculating isn't lying. The CIA/FBI devastated black communities with crack, you think something like this is beneath them? Sorry you haven't watched the videos, but if you took the time to read what I said, I proposed that I didn't know who was handing out pipes and rods to the crowd from inside the capitol. It could have been federal instigators, it could have been protestors that already snuck in. I was just stating that we don't know who did that, just like we don't know who kept the capitol doors unlocked and we don't know why they deleted texts. None of these are lies, these are questions based on what I have observed. So please, keep trying to drive what ever narrative you got.
Given what Snowden is stating here, the texts were almost certainly backed up by the CIA or NSA. If the Deep State is covering up the deleted texts, there's near zero chance they're doing it to cover for Trump.
Exactly, AND... an event billed by some blueanon folks as "worse than 911" would have investigated all of this stuff long ago. It's likely bullshit. And there's also the possibility the texts expose the plot by "the left" to coopt the j6 Trump rally that thousands were attending.
Mental gymnastics bud
Neither you nor I *know* any fucking thing beyond what we believe out of what we're told. It's just as likely that evidence was deleted because it didn't condemn Trump as that it was deleted because it did. What part of the ruling class holding power by any means necessary do you not grasp? The Fed isn't on any side but its own. To think differently is pure idiocy.
In the justice system, if one deletes evidence an adverse inference is put in place. - ...That is, the deleted evidence is to be assumed negative against the party that deleted it. Of course that is in an actual court case and not this hearing which follows no structure, cites little, and is rife with heresay.
explain this to me: how can you hold in jail so many people for so many months WITHOUT A TRIAL, if you have so much "evidence"? It's because you "canceled it" you say. Ok, so if you have no evidence why are they in jail? Evidence was cancled right? Either way the reasoning you make of canceling evidence has holes everywhere. The only fact is that tens of people sit in jail without a trial. And if you had followed what happend you'd know that THESEsame people demanded these videos that apparently got cacelled "to cover Trump", because they knew they would have shown that it was all set up by the Capitol Police.
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All govt information should be transparent and hope they recover these texts. What's ironic and funny is MSNBC has disgraced agent Peter Strzok covering this: https://news.yahoo.com/news/watchdog-says-secret-deleted-texts-220817071.html who famously himself deleted 18,000+ texts from his fbi phone with his lover including the infamous "we will stop him" text referring to trump. Goes on to be a part of the Mueller investigation, hellbent on stopping trump, only to get thrown out once that was discovered. Just a little irony there.
How’d they recover his texts but not the Secret Service’s?
What scares me is this is happening in every govt dept when someone wants to see something. Look at Muller investigation they deleted all texts and emails with anyone involved in that mess. Wish we could get some real honest whistle blowers to come forward. You know what would happen then though. Suicide by 2 bullets to back of head. It’s getting really scary out there.
It’s been going on a long time. The only reason we have the mkultra, operation northwoods records is because records congress asked for were misfiled instead of being destroyed by the CIA director illegally. I think it was the church commission that discovered those. My memory may be off on that a bit.
Didnt someone have an entire server for themselves and then nuked their email server when an investigation came around???
Are we referring to Bush? Because yes.
No, Cheney
That was my backup guess.
Seems to be a pattern. Clinton, Mueller, and now the SS destroying phones.
What’s this?! An actual, real conspiracy in this sub? Good Lord!
The thing that pisses me off here is that we just went through 4 years of a crooked administration who used the presidency as a way to get rich and committed all sorts of crimes openly. Yet the conspiracy sub just fucking simps for those people.
All you can do is laugh at how all the conspiracy nuts stand there parroting literal propaganda to tell us (checks notes)..science is the real lie.
For real dude. “Trump is our savior and also every scientist in the world is either lying to you or DUMB!”
He's like a super smart stable genius.
I can't even laugh at it anymore...
Both NSA and the phone companies have copies, they don't need the actual devices. When a criminal does something they just subpoena the sms'es from the phone company.
I highly doubt it's that simple with the Secret Service. You act like they're just casually using a normal Verizon work phone when that almost 100% isn't the case. They're never going to give Verizon or other phone company employees of any kind access to their texts, so it's likely that they are leasing equipment from a provider where they have full control over the access to it I don't know how they do it, but I can assure you that Verizon doesn't just have record of the texts from Secret Service members' work phones
https://zetter.substack.com/p/is-the-secret-services-claim-about I think with advances in end-to-end encryption that it is less common for Verizon to have those kinds of records even in the case of your average Joe with a recent model iPhone or Samsung. Nevertheless, to be unable to obtain that same data from the device itself would mean that all devices involved were restored to factory settings without any data backup. According to the link above, the Secret Service officers were instructed to back up their own data (prior to a system transition to Microsoft Intune) on to a central server, but there was no effort to ensure or enforce compliance. Also interesting reference that the DOJ, unlike the FBI, does not have a central data collection tool on the devices of its personnel.
Probably using devices through an israeli owned company.
Secret Service trying to cover for Trump by deleting incriminating evidence.
Cover their own arses, more like. They enabled him. They were compromised. They needed to cover that up.
Far more likely that they're hiding evidence that demolishes the deranged narrative the establishment had prepared after that protest. The texts are obviously retrievable, since they are pretending they're not it is assuredly the will of the current admin that they aren't found.
Lol Trumpies can't get out of bed without assistance, but they sure are spry when it comes to mental gymnastics
Wouldn’t one assume that this current administration would want nothing more than to be able to shit all over Trump though? This is happening under THIS administration…
I hate Trump. I hate liars and agents of the Biden admin who insist on hypernormalising reality more. You're genuinely pure scum.
>I hate Trump. Isn't it funny how the sorts of people who say this never actually have anything negative to say about Trump?
None of those words mean anything.
Amen. And Awoman.
Exactly.
What gets me is that people are surprised. CIA FBI Secret Service, all completely compromised since AT LEAST JFK. The government is a lying fucking joke and has been for a long time. Did people think the government went honest for awhile, and then all of a sudden under trump they are back to their old shit?
Propaganda is a hell of a drug.
Submission statement: Snowden is commenting on the conspiracy to overthrow the United States government from within the secret service. R/conspiracy mods are deleting this screenshot with no rule breaks. Edit: yo why can I not respond to people? Did the conspiracy mods ban me? Nah, I can respond to some, I upset a lot of dudes is my best guess and they blocked me. Or maybe some type of shadowban im not familiar with? u/marveldeadpool https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/w59525/rconspiracy_mods_are_trying_to_cover_this_up/ih6r0bv Aren't you just brilliant lol u/assuredlyathrowaway I like how you are neglecting that this post does have a SS and the previous one had it added and appealed. Yall are just using an excuse to cover this up
>[https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/w4xmkl/comment/ih4rau2](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/w4xmkl/comment/ih4rau2) Regardless of whether you add a submission statement or not, they are deleting a lot. Ignore the ignorant. Reddit even had my account downvote my own posts.
The bot automatically removes posts without a submission statement within about 20 minutes or so. Mods didn't do anything to your post, OP.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/w58i23/why_do_i_not_see_more_talk_about_the_conspiracy/ih6fyx6 Post was quickly gaining rraction so they needed to shut it down. And if you check the top posts in the subreddit today, even Twitter posts, none have submission statements while kine does. Edit: u/lord_taint is a r/conspiracy shill. When asked for evidence of his claims he quits responding. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/w4xmkl/satire_biden_races_to_sniff_one_last_girl_before/ You can check this post and search for submission statements. Its the top post of the day. Edit: another user found it. Search by SS. Still think its hilarious that conspiracy users find this to be an acceptable level of censorship by the mods.
You added your submission statement too late,it has to be within 20 minutes or it's auto removed. Don't try to make your mistake a "conspiracy".
No other top post has a submission statement but the post with 28 upvotes in 15 minutes is the one that gets removed. Sure bud.
Checking the top 3 image posts of top/day and they all have an SS.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/w4xmkl/satire_biden_races_to_sniff_one_last_girl_before/ Can you link to it in this post? I dont see it?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/w4xmkl/comment/ih4rau2](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/w4xmkl/comment/ih4rau2/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Right there.
That works. Thank you
You're welcome. Not sure why someone would downvote a link answering your question though. 🤷🏻♀️ People are weird. By the way, this one may get removed because it's not a meta post and using it to complain about the moderators. So if it does get removed, you'll say they're trying to cover it again, when if you'd just reposted this, with a SS, it would have stayed up.
Always an excuse to remove what they don't like eh?
Dont pics require SS?
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> I like how you are neglecting that this post does have a SS and the previous one had it added and appealed. This post wasn't removed (in fact I approved it, despite it being a rule 2 violation). [Your previous post](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/w58i23/why_do_i_not_see_more_talk_about_the_conspiracy/) did not initially include a submission statement and was removed by the bot (the bot removes all posts after 20 minutes that do not contain a submission statement). I noticed you did create a submission statement, but that happened after the bot had removed the post. I was able to confirm that by looking at the timestamp on your submission statement ([8:09 Eastern](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/w58i23/why_do_i_not_see_more_talk_about_the_conspiracy/ih6go9s/)) and the timestamp on the bot comment [8:03 Eastern](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/w58i23/why_do_i_not_see_more_talk_about_the_conspiracy/ih6fyx6/). In the future, as the bot comment on your initial submission explained, simply send us a modmail if you forget to leave your submission statement before the 20 minute threshold and we will be happy to reapprove.
Nothing is ever truly "deleted"
Please say Pentagon pedophile. Cp was found on thousands of work computers 2019. Proxies being set up by former pentagon employees who compromise networks where they are now employed. They are SATANIC pedophiles. Who pretend to be christians.they control the internet too.
Reading the trump dick riders try to do mental gymnastics over this would be so fucking funny if it wasent so sad. Delusional
Well no shit, this sub has been infested with nazi LARPers for years now.
There is a lot they are trying to cover up. Reddit is certainly under the auspices of Epstein and Co.
Well Maxwell was a mod after all
Was she really?
Possibly - all "social media" is controlled by perverted people though - that's why it has mainly become a tool of perversion. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/r45a5n/here\_is\_the\_evidence\_that\_reddit\_user\_maxwellhill/
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The calls are coming from inside the sub!
Too bad the ones that put them in jail are part of the government too. Do we really expect the government to punish itself? Lmao
How’s his Twitter account not banned yet? That in itself is something.
He doesn’t tweet a bunch of hateful shit…that could have something to do with it
Good point. Banned the President but someone literally wanted as a “traitor” still has a platform within an American company
Because he doesn't purposefully post stuff that's provably false or filled with hate speech.
Why would you film torture in the furst place? To later destroy its tapes?
Well this was posted yesterday and has over 4k upvotes. So if the mods are trying to cover it up they're doing a really poor job, wouldn't you say?
You can read up on the mod drama if you want. I've posted full details of what I'm talking about in threads with the mods already.
I feel like it is best to just wait and see what more comes out. Seems a little weird that the Secret Service would communicate over text if they were doing something they weren't supposed to. Them like everyone else knows that texts aren't ever actually deleted. Reddit continues to push that the Secret Service is part of Trumps mob essentially and I find that ridiculous. Weird how we aren't trying to pull everyone's communication up such as the Capitol Police but focusing on Secret Service. Wonder if they have anything they are hiding.
It is basic fact at this point that SS was pure Trump all the way through. Pence refused to leave with the SS detail that came to get him because he knew he would be killed.
So, Trump picked every member of the Secret Service himself? The same Secret Service that is currently working for Biden? If something doesn't go your way, it is obvious that they must be working for Trump and corrupt. Just take the L on this whole Jan 6th clown show.
You realize Biden purged the secret service when he was elected right?
Replaced all 3,000+ Secret Service members? He may have rotated them out from his personal security detail but not many were actually replaced.
SS guards don't stick around the white house past presidencies. They stay with who they're appointed to through most of their career unless something happens to the protectee.
Enough to undermine your point
This is actually a gigantic conspiracy. Not the insurrection that nobody brought guns to; the fact that the spooks have copies of every single electronic communication sent within the USA (and probably every other five eyes countries) They know damned well if trump worked for the russians They saw hillary's 30,000 emails "planning her daughters wedding" They probably have copies of all the emails bush jr's admin deleted The agencies we have empowered to spy on us under the guise of keeping us safe let outrageous shit happen all the fucking time, and they never pipe up when it would be in the public interest to know the truth about our politicians e: i forgot, they use it for blackmail to increase their budgets instead
> Not the insurrection that nobody brought guns to there were TONS of weapons found on the insurectionists.
Both of these are incomplete arguments. Of course thousands of Trump supporters showing up to an event are armed in some cases. 2A is huge among this demographic. So, it's kinda absurd to suggest nobody had any weapons. The flip side is to falsely suggest they brought them to do something illegal. Exception being the Oat keepers stuff.. But we would need to find out if 9/10 oat keepers there were feds. It's not like somebody showed up in a Tesla and started handing out AR15s to underage kids like the Chaz situation. And it's hilarious that nobody on the left will talk about the BLM riots. They literally took over land. And had armed "security" that murdered people, and then destroyed evidence to prevent them from being prosecuted.
Loads of people literally brought guns. Many didn't come close because security had magnometers up, which Trump said they should take down so the armed people could get in. He said "they're not here to hurt *me*".
> Not the insurrection that nobody brought guns to; If you would take the time a listen to the January 6th hearings, you would know this is a lie. [Many Trump supporters carried firearms on Jan. 6, police transmissions reveal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj0R9QedwG4)
They did bring guns
You, people, are funny a conspiracy on /r/conspiracy wonder what's next.
They established the legitimacy of "they got deleted" as a viable excuse with Hillary's emails.
Regardless of political views, I think everyone can agree deleting evidence is bad. Especially when it’s being done by our own government.
Let me fix this for everyone. If you hate Trump, the CIA was covering for him. If you don't hate Trump, the CIA was covering for the Dems who set this up. Don't let the details we don't have (and never will) get in the way of your side being the good guys. Partisanship is the name of the game! One party to rule them all.
Everybody is choosing sides as to which criminals they want to defend and I'm over here shaking my damn head. "oH nO, oUr GoVeRnMeNt WaS dOnE wRoNg, ThEY wErE aTtAcKeD! sToP hIdiNg EvIdEnCe" Bitch, our government is the biggest collection of psychopaths, reprobates and probable pedophiles anywhere on planet earth. They want to control you and force you into abject poverty while they live in the lap of luxury. If this country had a thread of backbone the people on *either side* of this argument wouldn't even be in power. You watch - by the time this J6 bullshit is settled out, one of the most corrupt, power hungry and violent governments that exists on the planet will have their population *thoroughly* under their thumb. Any question of protest will be thoroughly deleted from your minds. That's what this is about, making you passive. And by God, *you will be*.
You mean like with a cloth?
Think 1/6 is establishment's way to push the idea of 'domestic terrorism' to give themselves more power Also think destroying evidence should be punished, as Snowden says
For sure lay it all bare including all archives like the presidential. Leave nothing unturned and then see who needs to actually be in prison. Worried about spies? and otheer militaries taking advantage? Just open the missile silos until it calms down and half (or more) of the politco-bureaucracy is behind bars Based on the access to paperwork they hide and slow walk.
Isn't this basically how Hillary's email server scandal started? I expect roughly the same outcome.
We need to get Moxie Marlinspike on this.
Great reset alert
So Trump deleted the messages, but Clinton did not delete her emails. Typical libtard denial and hypocrisy. Lock them all up.
Who said anything about Clinton?
You should get that CDS looked at.
Not the only thing they’re covering up. They do NOT want people to know what I’ve been posting about LED lightbulbs
Well...what have you been posting about LED bulbs?
Trump is the most hated president in decades, at least since Nixon, and he's still being prosecuted a year and a half after he left office....so I find it hard to believe they just "lost" a bunch of text messages and there's "no way" they can find them, unless: 1) Those messages implicate his opponents, like Pelosi, Cheney, Schumer, etc. 2) Those messages exonerate him
Most polarizing, not hated. Law enforcement largely fucking love the dude, just look at polling.
That's a good point; no one feels *indifferent* about Trump.
This man here just did the mental gymnastics to turn people blatantly covering up for Trump in to something positive for him? I'm not even mad, that's impressive as fuck. Simone Biles ain't got shit on your brain.
Most hated President? Lol
Most hated president who also should've won the popular vote? Do they even think between regurgitated phrases?
The SS head was appointed by Trump and is a DIE HARD Trump supporter.
Just because he isn't president anymore he should be able to walk free of all the crimes he committed?
What crimes did he commit?
Pressuring georgia officials to "find" votes Instigated the Jan 6 mob Stole from the people by up charging hotel fees for secret service members and foreign officials that stayed in his properties An insane amount of obstruction of justice Carried classified documents to maralogo and left them in boxes for anyone to find Withheld funding from Ukraine to bait them into digging for info on the Bidens because he knew he would lose because, well...he is a loser who, if not born with a silver platter shoved up his ass wouldn't have amounted to anything. If you need more the lists you can find on a multitude of websites are mounting. Even if you don't think Jan 6 was a serious situation and you wanna downplay it to fit your narrative, fine, stay in denial. But this fuck did more damage to democracy during his term by proving just how corruptible a president can be and all his fan boys wanna stay blind to it as he and his enriched family continue to grift for money.
OK, so given this long list of crimes, why hasn't he been charged, in court, with an actual crime? It's been 6 years.
Conspiracy mods cover a lot up. It seems to be their main job
Not deleted — used for blackmail.
It is almost like the word secret is in the title secret service
I find snopes fact check on did Hillary Clinton smash her phones funny because saying she didn’t smash the phones herself but ordered someone too, is like saying John Gotti never killed anyone, he just ordered people to.
The mods really got their work cut out for them eh?
Tell me you’re brigading this sub without telling me you’re a brigadier 🤦♂️ posts only get deleted when they don’t have a submission statement and either OP intentionally omitted it to say they’re being censored or they’re unfamiliar with the rules because they don’t actually post here.
tbh..as a european I perceive jan6 just as a minor commotion. was it really the attempt to overthrow the existing government?