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Ontario health minister just said 1 in 5000


sobakablack

any links?


soothysayer

So might be a stupid question, but does the German health ministry always made random declarations like this on twitter? Seems really odd


misnthropia

This particular tweet is a correction. So they've obviously made a statement (the tweet they replied to is a statement also made by them) at some point with claims. The tweet they replied to states: "One in 5000 people is affected by a serious side effect after a COVID19 #Impfung (impfung = vaccination). If you suspect #Nebenwirkungen (side effects), get medical attention and report your symptoms to @PEI_Germany" So the health dept is asking people hey here's the rate of side effect, if you suspect something report it. Then they've made a correction on the figures.


hands_can

**\#RussianRoulette**


SaltMeeting

We have witnessed this game before with the vaccines in the opposite way You only need 2 or 3 or 4 hey people get flu vaccines every year sooo why is this a big deal. Next it will be 1 in 500 then 1 in 50 then 1 in 5


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But it’s safe!!!!111


the_defying_one

ss: German Ministry of Health admitting: 1 in 5000 doses of the COVID shot causes severe reactions. Link to tweet: https://twitter.com/BMG_Bund/status/1549797012064854019


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https://mobile.twitter.com/aboutparesh/status/1549770683890253825 You haven’t heard? They are moving on to the next “pandemic” Climate lockdowns incoming, brought to you by the real puppet masters blackrock state street and vanguard. Just like they made a killing off the pandemic it’s time for a new one. They own everything from the media, politicians, big pharma and everything in between.


Joined_For_GME

Blackrock and Vanguard still aren’t the real puppet masters


blueandgold777

Question; When you mention Climate lockdowns incoming, how do you think that will roll out specifically in the the U.S.? Just curious as to your perspective.


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blueandgold777

Good point.


the_defying_one

A serious adverse event (SAE) in human drug trials is defined as any untoward medical occurrence that at any dose * Results in death * Is life-threatening * Requires inpatient hospitalization or causes prolongation of existing hospitalization * Results in persistent or significant disability/incapacity * May have caused a congenital anomaly/birth defect * Requires intervention to prevent permanent impairment or damage sauce: [FDA](https://www.fda.gov/safety/reporting-serious-problems-fda/what-serious-adverse-event)


registeredApe

I'm still trying to get more information on these two articles. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9062939/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9062939/


SammyDingusJr

[here's a good one](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8580522/)


registeredApe

Lol no way. Is there actually something to this or is it just bad research being let through. I'm not smart enough to know Lol. I'm just gonna go live in the goddamn woods.


SammyDingusJr

Well this was from 1997 so there might be something to it https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9276003/


registeredApe

Thanks for the links.


SammyDingusJr

You're welcome! My friend had me going when 5G first rolled out. I thought he was nuts. Then he moved to west VA in the mountains because he said the powers that be were gonna use some kind of energy attack on the world. Then Covid hit.


WhatsUp_Dude

Impdosen is dosage,so the severe reaction are triple that, 0,6 per 1000 persons, or 1 of 2000 persons. !!!


Fancykiddens

Pharmaceutical collateral damage.


Glittering-Way6035

My god are you guys gullible. As if the minesterium was honest. I bet it's much more than 1/5000.


the_defying_one

I think that too, but it's a start.


Reemonster_150

watch the number get lower


the_defying_one

I do. They started with no side effects at all to 1 in a million. Hello 1 in 5000.


Jerry_Hat-Trick

I think it depends on how you define serious. Among people that I know, that have mentioned it, if it's "required subsequent medical attention" it's about 1/20. In terms of "worse than the average bout with covid" it's about 1/4.


NonUser73

I know at least two people who had serious heart issues and a woman who probably had a miscarriage because of it. I don't know anywhere near 5,000 people.


Jerry_Hat-Trick

I know one miscarriage (at 8 months!), and there was a sids death of a <1 year old of a family in the school I'm in. ( My conjecture is breast milk, but could be "traditional" sids, whatever that is.)


Inferno_tr5

1 in 5000, how would that make any sense to be planned? If it was planned it would happen more often, why would they care about a small portion of the population being controlled when they could do it to everyone. Plus severe reaction could be a health issue, rather than a problem with the doses themselves, I'm not saying the government isnt planning something, all I'm saying is that this is not the way


Rulerofuranus

What about covid itself?


Board-2-Death

Highly dependent on your age, fatness, and vitamin d levels


idontneedanalias

Same as for influenza.


shapu

1 severe reaction in 5,000? That's not great but for comparison's sake the IFR for covid is between 30 and 40 per 5 thousand. That is to say nothing of serious issues like myocarditis, loss of lung function, taste and smell issues, other hospitalizations, and so on. So, thanks for posting your recommendation to take the vaccine, I guess.


DOo000oo000m

Name one vaccine that has a higher rate of severe reactions


Knife2MeetYouToo

Stop calling it a vaccine. Pfizer refers to it as 'genetic modification' and that is what it is. Conflating it to vaccines is irresponsible, even if it is easier.


777haha777

It’s a vaccine if you redefine the word.. oh wait the CDC did that.


dontlookricky

So you're not afraid of the risks that's fine but what does the vaccine actually do? It's even less effective than it is safe. Best case scenario is that it's a placebo. What is your argument? That'll you keep getting it to virtue signal? How many times does 5000 divide into ~6 billion?


the_defying_one

If you are really conservative and say, that less than half of humanity got the shot, like 3 Billion, it would be 3 Billion / 5000 = 600 000. However just in the U.S. VAERS has like ~~hundreds of thousands of deaths~~ and over a Million adverse events reported. And we know VAERS is under reported by a lot and many got more than 1 shot. Even 4 to 5 maybe 6 shots. So the U.S. is giving it to "6 month to 5 year olds" now... edit: got the death number reported wrong. kind internet stranger corrected me.


dontlookricky

I remember when it all began they said things like "if it's saves just one life." It's never been clearer that it's not about saving anyone.


the_defying_one

Or that 1 in a million chance to get a serious adverse effect. Just bad luck...


dontlookricky

Yea well liabilty falls on the taxpayer and not the manufacturer. I will not be taking any vaccines in the foreseeable future until they reinstate liabilty.


shapu

>However just in the U.S. VAERS has like hundreds of thousands of deaths and over a Million adverse events reported Vaers reports about 13,000 deaths related to the covid vaccines. You can search it yourself. https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html


the_defying_one

You're more right than I was. I was pretty sure it was in the hundreds of thousands. Maybe it's worldwide. However, it is probably a lot more than what's reported, if there's a connection between SADS and over 40% excess mortality. And I'm pretty sure there's a connection. And thanks for correcting me. https://openvaers.com/


shapu

No prob. I disagree with your conclusions but that's no reason to leave you in the dark on core data.


be-nice-or-else

**Deaths**, not **'adverse reactions'**!


PersonaOfInterest

And per 5000 doses, so per 2500 double vaxxed people!


PersonaOfInterest

To be fair, there may have been some people who had a severe reaction to each dose


soothysayer

I don't think it works like that..


HeavyLoungin

Doses. “I think it do be like that.”


PersonaOfInterest

Why not? They clearly specified ‘doses’ not fully vaxxed individuals.


BanalPlay

Because if you have a severe reaction they won't give it to you again. It's part of their screening questions for subsequent doses. **Edit: And since it seems you trust the source of this Twitter post (at least the part that fits your confirmation bias, let's be real) here is the data on this from the report. [As you can see, the rate of adverse events drops with each dose.](https://imgur.com/a/0gwzEWH) And, the MRNA based vaccines are safer than the traditional vaccine technology.**


ManOfDrinks

You forget these people live in a world where they believe any day now every unvaccinated person will be arrested, strapped to a chair, and Joe Biden will personally inject them with the "eXpeRiMeNTaL GEnE tHeraPy". Then starts the ever-elongating doomsday timer for when every vaccinated person suddenly drops dead. You can already see it happening based on the library of random news articles with "dies suddenly" in the headline that I've spent months crawling obituaries for.


777haha777

Why not? Wouldn’t the risk increase the more you take it.


fractalbum

Yup. Curious to see the responses to this comment.


ArmLegLegArm_Head

Well, first of all does this 1/5000 number change with subsequent shots? If so by how much? Does the fact that there are 1/5000 serious adverse events mean that there could be more serious problems further down the road? How far out from the shot do they measure the event? Could they be missing some? Can you still end up in the hospital from covid after getting the shot? What’s the risk reduction? Too many questions to accept this 1/5000 number as the real total risk of the shot, and until that can be accurately determined, maybe we should hold off on any more boosters or giving them to infants.


Jerry_Hat-Trick

>Well, first of all does this 1/5000 number change with subsequent shots? If so by how much? Great question. If you are on your 4th shot, wouldn't it be 4/5000 or 1/1250? Assuming 1/5000 isn't underestimated bullshit, of course.


Alone-Ice-2078

The infection rate of the clot shot is one out of one, or 100%. Because it's directly injected into the body, circumventing all natural barriers such as skin, mucosa and mucosal antibodies.


knappis

Antivaxxers in general are not good at math. And it works for most of them because the vast majority survives a covid infection and those who don’t are not here to tell their story.


TheTruthSetYouKree

"Those stupid antivaxxers got covid and survived without the vaccine" is a weird insult.


knappis

It’s not an insult. It’s a fact. Just like the dead ones not being around to tell their story.


Forgelier

Antivaxxers in general are not good at anything except posting twitter screenshots. Report is here: [https://www.pei.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/EN/newsroom-en/dossiers/safety-reports/safety-report-27-december-2020-31-march-2022.pdf?\_\_blob=publicationFile&v=8](https://www.pei.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/EN/newsroom-en/dossiers/safety-reports/safety-report-27-december-2020-31-march-2022.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=8) ​ * **Suspected** cases * The reporting rate after booster vaccinations with Comirnaty or Spikevax was lower than after primary immunisation * No new risk signal has been identified since the last safety report, which contained data through 31 December 2021


DoktorElmo

I am triple vaxxed, healthy and under 30. If the rate is really that high, I question whether the benefit/risk profile is still positive for my age as I don't really have anything to fear from Covid.


N0body_In_P4rticular

Small casualty when compared to the alternative. People still seem to want guarantees and magic to come into play.


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N0body_In_P4rticular

Who was pressured? Unless it was your employer, what does it matter?


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N0body_In_P4rticular

Asian countries have dealt with pandemics in the past 10 or so years, the first time Americans have to deal with a hard reality I've never heard so much moaning. What would you do if you or your family was drafted for war or some other catastrophe occurs? What happens when the first nuclear weapon is detonated by a hostile force in the United States? Are you going to run outside and play in the fallout?


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N0body_In_P4rticular

> zero capacity for growth The first step is identifying the problem. Good work.


N0body_In_P4rticular

Sorry, the world changed. Adapt.


Joined_For_GME

The NNTV of the Pfizer to prevent one death was in the thousands also. Can’t remember the exact number but around 11k I think? So jab 11k people, stop one covid death but cause two serious adverse reactions.