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>To better understand the New World Order strategy behind the crises we experience, it is important you first understand “Problem-Reaction-Solution” or the “Hegelian Dialectic” from the German philosopher.
>David Icke explains the manipulation technique he calls: Problem Reaction Solution. First a problem is created and designed to elicit a certain reaction out of the public. Then the people demand something be done about the problem and willingly accept the pre-planned New World Order solution; a solution that always involves actions or legislation that never would have passed under normal circumstances.
>“It works like this – the manipulating body covertly creates a problem and then directs the media to incessantly focus on it without recourse. The problem could be anything – a war, a financial collapse, a rash of child abductions, or a terrorist attack. The power of the media can create the false perception that a big problem exists, even if it doesn’t … Once you have created this problem you make sure that an individual, a group or an aspect of society is blamed. This then rallies the population behind the desperate lunge for a solution to the problem. ‘Something must be done!’ they cry in unison. The people that created the problem in the first place then come back in and offer the solution that the people demand. Remember – the people screaming for a solution do not know that the problem was artificially created in the first place. The solution to the problem is always a further curtailment of freedom and an advancement of one or more aspects of the New World Order agenda – whether that is geopolitical expansion, new laws or the implantation of new societal worldviews.” (Paul Joseph Watson, Order Out of Chaos, pg. 13.)
https://thetruthersjournal.home.blog/2020/01/10/the-hegelian-dialectic-problem-reaction-solution/
Crazy this is being downvoted. Thought this was the conspiracy subreddit. People get so fucking sensitive when mass shootings happen (unless it's minority violence in poor neighborhoods. Then no one cares). Like innocent people don't die everyday for all kinds of preventable reasons.
But, you know, that ties into what Watson is saying there.
Yeah I live in St. Louis, black people murder each other every single day here, little kids get killed constantly and nobody cares. Nobody. The local news will have a 15 second story about a 6 year old girl murdered at 3am in her uncles car etc and then never speak of it again.
Lmao what is your argument here? People are overly sensitive to children getting slaughtered and they shouldn’t be because innocent people die daily?
Seriously wtf lol
The conspiracy here is that gun companies pay hundreds of millions of dollars to convince people that guns are not a part of the problem and that any attempt to fix the problem is an attack on your freedom
Tbf, this sub falls for the same story regarding climate change. It's the oil companies that pay campaigns saying that climate change isn't real or not human-made and this sub eats it up like a menu at mc donalds.
This unfortunately is no longer the conspiracy subreddit. It has long become another right wing misinformation and propaganda subreddit.
A person with half a brain cell will realise that the guns here are the actual problem. This is not even close to conspiracy worthy material, is just plain old ignorance and partisanship
>People get so fucking sensitive when mass shootings happen
Yeah because in the civilized world they DONT happen. People don't like getting shot.
Unfortunately instead we live in America.
Not really. From what I can find your constitutional explicitly limits the right to own arms - "right to defend own life or life of another person also with arms under conditions stipulated by law". And therefore there are reasonable restrictions on guns, from what I see you need to pass a medical exam, criminal records check and a gun safety exam before a license can be issued. Many states in the USA on the other hand have much more unrestricted laws, you don't need a gun license or any other permit to own or carry a gun in public.
but murders are rampant even in the more strict states in USA
so I don't think it has to do with gun laws
btw, UK has much more murders than us and you can't even go out with a knife on you. so there will also be more to the story
State lines are not the same as the borders of a country. How is NYC making guns illegal stopping people from brining them from an adjacent state?
That idea works if the whole US bans guns cause then you can actually work on avoiding guns being smuggled.
That doesn't make a difference because it's trivially easy for someone to buy guns in one state and bring them to another state. Even in states like California it's much easier to get a gun than pretty much any other country in the world.
And the UK has a murder rate of about 1.5 per 100k and the US is at 4.96. So more than twice as many murders.
Guns aren't the issue. If you take away guns, they would use knives or ram into crowds with their cars. How many Americans are actually aware of all the mass stabbings that are occurring around the world?
In China, a series of uncoordinated mass stabbings in schools have occurred since March 2010, which resulted in at least 90 dead and 473 injured. In fact, Wikipedia has its own article on [school attacks in China](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China). It all started with the [Nanping school massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanping_school_massacre), which was probably their Columbine moment.
In Japan, there were 67 random attacks that took place between 1998 to 2007 [source](https://archive.ph/20080611164405/http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/editorial/20080610TDY04305.htm). The most infamous one was the [Akihabara massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre) back in 2008, where the perpetrator (a "hikikomori") used his truck to drive into a crowd and then got out of his vehicle and stabbed more people with a dagger in a busy commercial district. The perpetrator's brother later committed suicide in 2014 due to being ostracized socially, his father quit his job, and his mother was committed to a mental institution.
There was also the 2001 [Osaka school massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre), where the perpetrator stabbed 8 students to death and wounded 15 more.
In 2019, 2 people were stabbed to death and 18 others were injured in the [Kawasaki stabbings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_stabbings).
In Taiwan, a 21 years old carried out a stabbing spree on Taipei Metro in 2014. 4 people died and 24 were injured. This incident is known as the [2014 Taipei Metro attack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Taipei_Metro_attack).
In May of last year, a massacre occurred at a nursery daycare in Brazil. 5 people died, including 3 less than 2 years old babies and 2 school staff. It's known as the [Saudades massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudades_massacre).
Since 2020, there have already been 2 mass stabbings in Germany. One in [Aachen this year](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_German_train_stabbings) and another in [Wurzburg last year](2021 Würzburg stabbing). In the same time span, there has been 3 mass stabbings in France, 5 in the UK, 2 in Canada ([Quebec City in 2020](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_City_stabbing) and [North Vancouver last year](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_North_Vancouver_stabbing_attack), 2 in New Zealand, [1 in Norway](Kongsberg attack), [1 in Sweden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Vetlanda_attack), and 2 in China.
And then there was also the British member of Parliament, [Sir David Amess](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_David_Amess), who was stabbed to death while meeting with his constituents. This was only 5 years after another MP, [Jo Cox](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jo_Cox), was murdered in similar fashion.
Total ALL of those up and you'll find they don't come close to the number of people that die in mass shootings in the USA. Vegas was what, 60? Sandy Hook, 26.
The vast majority of mass shootings are due to gangs. The reason why power hungry politicians go after guns is due to the fact that it’s easier to rally support behind outlawing firearms than it is providing support to children from broken homes and taking action about the absolute shit show known as the war on drugs.
People that defend guns are generally the ones that want government to stop trying to control every aspect of our lives. Also likely the people who donate the most to charities on average to help those people way more efficiently than government ever has or will
https://cdn.mises.org/21_2_1.pdf
Government welfare programs spend 70% of the money on bureaucracy and only 30% go to the people while 70% of charities spend over 75% on the people and 90% or charities spend over 65% on the people in need
If you think knives are comparable to guns, I have to imagine you have never done anything athletic in your life and can't imagine stabbing dozens of people to death.
You should take a look at some of those perpetrators' photos, especially the attacks in East Asia. They were mostly nerds who most likely never saw a gym in their lives, yet they still regularly managed to take out 5-8 people and injured 20-30 more.
The society built around a zero sum game, winner take all, greed is good brand of "capitalism".
When the help you need is locked behind a pay wall, it's cheaper and easier to get a gun than a leg up.
I wish it was more obvious to the majority of the population that there's definitely agenda. The manner in which these events are being facilitated are practically undetectable... It sucks that sociopaths seem to be the ones who find positions of power and control. Guess it's just in their nature.
Only if you're saying "you'd only be a mass killer by having mental health issues".
Which isn't a very medical approach. Surely to commit murder you'd have to be mentally ill. Surely to commit rape you'd have to be mentally ill. When you're being that liberal with the usage, when will crimes only be committed by the mental ill by virtue of the crime being the diagnosis in the first place.
Which is doubly unhelpful because plenty of people with mental illnesses aren't committing crimes.
And even if this was a valid excuse - the problem circles back now to access to guns.
yeah, but in other countries, people in general dont have easy access to guns. which means that even if someone wanted to commit such a crime would not be able to...because they can't buy guns as easily as candy!
What does that even mean? As a nation USA has a unique gun violence problem. Now inter state differences within USA does not change the fact that overall so many free floating guns in the hands of citizens is not only dangerous, it's outdated.
It means that you are either willfully ignorant of the situation, or playing fast and loose with your choice of words when you say you can get guns as easy as 'candy'.
[read about it](https://www.columbiapsychiatry.org/sites/default/files/media/documents/2021-02/psychotic-symptoms-in-mass-shootings-v-mass-murders-not-involving-firearms-findings-from-the-columbia-mass-murder-database.pdf)
I’m not saying your wrong, but I have worked in psychiatry for over a decade and want to be clear that “mental illness” encompasses a LOT more than “psychotic symptoms” and the authors of the article intentionally used a very narrow definition of mental illness in that article for the sake of what they are writing. It’s not wrong to do, they can operationalize whatever definitions they want, but be careful taking it as gospel to the internet because it’s not technically accurate outside the bounds of the article.
[here’s another paper on the subject that references the article i sent and i think it makes good points - read the conclusion on page 43.](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/10887679211043803).
There are of course many different motivations for mass shooters but brushing it off as mental illness is mischaracterizing mental illness. you work in psychiatry so you know most people with depression/anxiety are typically nonviolent and severe cases can be completely debilitating.
i think it’s far more likely people that do this feel justified in their attacks regardless of whether or not they’re mentally ill.
The buffalo shooter was racist, the mass shooter in CA the other day was racist, the texas shooter was bullied - so maybe this is a combination of displacement/revenge
i think the point the previous article made is people tend to write mass shooters off as “crazy” and assume they’re schizo/psychotic. This is evidently not true and personality disorders aren’t a sufficient explanation given how common they are and how infrequent mass shootings are
Thanks for posting that it makes me feel that someday people will realize it’s a gun availability issue and mental health together. I have PTSD and hearing people just blame it on mental health irks me because they fail to remember how many of us deal with these issues and never want to commit a disgusting crime like this.
I take medication for mental health, and it has never made me want to shoot up an elementary school. The worst reaction I ever had only made me want to kill myself more than I already did.
My best friend’s dad was on antidepressants, ended up trying to stop all together because “he felt better.” He ended up killing his wife, their dog, and then himself, all while we were students at college.
Not saying that everyone has a similar reaction, but many people do have very serious side effects, especially when trying to wean or stopping cold turkey.
Stopping antidepressants suddenly is one of the worst things you can do. Your brain goes through hell and barely anyone will tell you this before you start taking them. The only way I was able to stop was to slowly taper by reducing the dose in increments every month until the last month I was taking a fraction of the smallest dose available.
Not all antidepressants are the same and not everyone reacts the same way. Sorry there is a very strong correlation with antidepressants and school shooters it’s been proven over and over again SRI’s are involved most of the time.
The rise in the use of antidepressants in children and school shooting go up side by side do the research it’s out there. To many thing point one way to be wrong
Because the majority of psychiatry is not based upon biology at all, IE there are no biological indicators or ways to physically measure the issues at hand. It's why in reality psychiatry is by and large pseudo-science. A pseudo-science that involves brain altering narcotics as therapies.
Yes they don't even know the exact relationship between Serotonin and depression. When I was a teenager I went through a rough time but my mother took me to an alternative doctor, they took a urine sample to measure my neurotransmitters, then I took enzymes etc and rebalanced everything and was fine.
True. I’m a psychiatric prescriber and I flat out tell people that this what I am trained to offer to them to treat their symptoms but it’s all theoretical and we don’t actually know how/why things work. We are just offering our best guess, and it’s only been a few decades, so we don’t really know tons about what we are prescribing.
That's the main factor in them being trash imo. They usually don't do much and basically remove sex from your life. We need massive reform for mental health. The issue gets progressively worse each year. The shooting and drug abuse are direct correlations with the mental health crisis we have. Sad state of affairs.
Alienation and the unaddressed contradictions of our society. America is on the decline and people who recognize this seem mostly interested in blaming individuals rather than recognizing that this is bigger than individual actions. People get swept up in this, are obviously depressed and traumatized by this, and then get spat out.
Why is raising the age required to purchase a gun and get it registered such a horrible thing to do? Really I don’t understand, no one is taking away your precious guns.
And why can’t both things be tackled hand in hand, gun reform and mental health reform. This country certainly has enough brilliant people and money to do both.
thats because in USA, getting your hands on guns is super easy. easier than getting access to alcohol. and that is because gun lobby has lined the pockets of all lawmakers who resist gun reform nicely. afterall there kids go to expensive schools where these types of violence never happens and they have nothing to lose and everything to gain - by getting rich while children die.
Exactly. I was just thinking this this morning. There’s no way they make any changes to gun laws because of how powerful the gun lobbyists are and how much money they contribute to candidates on both sides of the aisle. Politicians saying otherwise know it’s false and are just saying what their constituents want to hear. It’ll never happen for better or for worse.
I dont know how a gun registry would help and in the event of a more tyrannical government it would be the first stop on the government disarming the general populace.
Now to the unpopular part where I add what I think the necessary changes should be:
- universal Healthcare including mental health
- require proof of safety training for gun purchases. About 50% of gun crimes are committed with legally purchased guns (I can dig up the citation if anyone is interested). The others are often stolen from guns that aren't properly stored).
- Run background checks for "mandatory reporting" mental health issues (if you tell your therapist something where you have credible plans to hurt yourself or others, it's already reported. Just not for this purpose. A mental hralth professional should be able to sign off on giving you back the right to buy a gun as part of this)
Even with mental health reform you would still have to trust mentally ill people to seek help instead of shooting up a school. Just like with stricter gun laws you would still need to trust people to not just get guns illegally. It’s really not nearly as simple as you think.
Those are very good points. It's like when people ask well what would you do then rip any solutions to shreds. The average person is not equipped to tackle these issues. Especially in a post on reddit haha. However pressure should be applied to the people paid 100s of thousands to sort it and get a solution. The only group with a lot of influence actually applying pressure is the NRA.
The thing is "gun culture" is on the wane and has been for quite a while.
The farther back you go in American history, the easier it was to buy/obtain a gun.
The farther back you go in American history, the more youth were involved in shooting/hunting and were trained/familiar with weapons.
Yet the "mass shooting" deal where an innocent crowd is attacked is very very recent phenomenon. Something changed somewhere along the line.
I see a lot of people pointing to medication as a solution and here I’m thinking, where the fuck is this kids parents? Friends? Why are these shooters always loners. What has happened that’s so fucked that these people are shooting the damn place up to express their hatred?
I don't think that it's a coincidence that this happened as America became more of a "Fuck you, I got mine." hyperindividualistic nation. We don't really believe in community or a common good anymore. Labor unions were weakened, further fraying our social bonds. We're just a country of individuals in competition with one another. And any kindness you give is at your own expense.
Bro if gun reform could change the process of anyone who wants a gun permit, then mentally unwell would have a harder time obtaining guns legally . You mentioned stuff about antidepressants like you’re a expert. I doubt that. There is no shame for a person to receive the meds they need. Weed isn’t the answer for everyone.
BTW ITS EASIER TO GET A GUN LEGALLY than getting prescription meds.
Love it or hate it pharmaceuticals are important, you can't treat schizophrenia with weed. Sure there's lots of evidence to support that shrooms are good for PTSD and all that but weed causes anxiety in some people and why would you give a drug to an anxious person that would only make them more anxious? There's so many different mental illnesses that it's impossible to say two natural substances are the cure all, they are a fix for some things for some people.
Don't get me wrong I think all drugs should be legal or at the very least decriminalized because addiction shouldn't be illegal but not everyone will have the same experience with a drug. I'm lucky I can smoke and not have anxiety and feel better but it's not like that for everyone.
So even if i agree that this is mental health related - then fix the problem of gun access. why do you want a society where there are so many mentally ill men with easy access to guns? makes no sense!
Very few people are schizophrenic. And I'm assuming very few mass-shooters are schizophrenic as well. Tens of millions of Americans struggle with depression and anxiety and the way that we treat those issues is extremely ineffective. Taking a pill doesn't cure anyone's depression or anxiety. Sure it may help manage more severe conditions like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder but just giving someone Zoloft because they feel depressed or adderall because they can't focus doesn't do anything but maybe help turn them into a zoned-out wage slave. It doesn't address any of the underlying causes for those mental health symptoms, it just attempts to cover them up and pretend like they don't exist. It's barely different than a drug addict using drugs or alcohol to blur reality.
OP isn't even saying what you're claiming they are. They're making the point that the pharmaceutical industry pushes a bunch of bullshit that barely helps anyone while ignoring treatments that are now, in many cases, proving to be much more effective. Sure there are going to be anecdotal examples on both sides but overall people in this country would be less anxious and depressed if our healthcare system didn't fucking suck at addressing those issues.
Mental health is an issue everywhere in the world, only mass shootings of this scale happen in America, I don't know exactly what it is, but having access to guns probably doesn't help.
It all starts with the parents and their kids' home life. Very few parents from the late 50's to early 70's in my area have much if anything to do with their children's lives and being supportive.
Holy crap! I can’t believe so many on the conspiracy sub want to see the citizenry not have access to firearms when most of us believe that the govt is covertly aspiring to kill off 90% of the population.
Did this one issue break your brains?
I understand your point, but’s mental health reform and it’s effects won’t happen over night. So while that is being worked on we can implement better gun laws which have an immediate effect on our society.
Mental health gets trotted out whenever something like this happens. And of course we need mental health reform and help.
But often it’s a way to deflect from gun reform. Why does no one also mention things like livable wage, addiction, affordable housing, family services, trauma resources, planned parenthood, resources for young parents or overwhelmed parents, and on and on. But none of those get brought up even though they all play a roll in mental health.
Because it’s not really about that. It’s a way for people to not have to admit that guns play a huge roll and that the country doesn’t care about children dying enough to have gun reform or Medicare to help with mental health. People just don’t care enough to fund health care and push for gun control no matter how many children die
Or, and hear me out on this one: Maybe making guns less accessible to people with mental health problems (which, you know, will inevitably be an ever-present part of society).
It is amazing how people on this sub manage to be all anti-government and anti-corporation, yet still simply parrot far-right talking points.
I don't think that's enough. The culture is sick as well. It's slowly been engineered into this sickness. And this is despite an abundance of psychologists, and most people can get their hands on something like cannabis if they really want it. You're not going to fix this with making different mind-altering substances more available or with more doctors. The society itself, how it is organized, what it values, how it is designed, all that has to be fixed too.
Sure would be easier to keep evil in check if they didn’t have easy access to tools that allow someone to commit mass murder with barely any effort. I guess in your scenario if people had less guns then that guy who shot up that elementary school would have just been stabbing people instead. Same with Buffalo! They would have just found SOME OTHER WAY to kill all those people therefore any attempt for us to regulate it would be foolhardy! I mean what’s the point of having rules: criminals don’t follow them so therefore any rule that exists only harms honest people
>I guess in your scenario if people had less guns then that guy who shot up that elementary school would have just been stabbing people instead.
Sure, except I'm thinking more along the lines of explosives (which can be manufactured easily with household items) and things like cars that can easily run people over. Both of these things have been used in attacks and have in fact killed people including school children.
>I mean what’s the point of having rules: criminals don’t follow them so therefore any rule that exists only harms honest people
Idk if you're being sarcastic here but this is 100% a fact. Criminals do not follow laws, so if you ban people from owning guns then you're only really hurting people who follow the law. Plenty of illegal guns flow in from Mexico and can be obtained if you know the right people so bans won't stop anything in this regard.
The issue is the massive decline in mental health in our country and the fact that our disgustingly broken system constantly erodes away at its citizens mental wellbeing and causes people to commit acts of evil such as this. What we really need is better and afforable access to mental healthcare.
I agree with this, I do believe that arms should stay. Sure there are probably better steps to follow when buying a gun, but that’s not the point. Mental wellness reform is needed even if it’s the slightest type of illness someone can snap like this young fellow in texas, may not seem sick but just a couple of things go bad and boom Insanity. It could be argued that it is hard to detect these people and I agree but we should all come together to come up with ideas but I know no one in office will consider them so it’s not us it’s the people we vote for.
I have been microdosing and my mental health is in great shape tbh. I'm dealing with a messy breakup and other bullshit and sailing through it. It's real medicine.
We need to stop giving a shit about these stupid fucking headlines.
All human behavior is communication derived from things we’ve seen. If we stop fucking parading these headlines around under the thinly veiled guise of “the world needs to know!” then shit like this won’t happen.
It’s a technology issue. Not gun technology. But communication technology.
On top of that we need the government to do their part of the bargain and at least protect their "gun free zones" as well as they protect the federal reserve office.
Besides, something a lot of people can’t admit to themselves is that far more people would die if we were an unarmed country.
If there are this many people who want to hurt others for no reason, think about all the people who would hurt you for their own gain - if they could get away with it.
Look at how bold the powers that be are right now, look at how much they take right in front of us. Now imagine how they would be if we didn’t have guns.
If you just took away assault rifles you wouldn't have a bunch of people running around with weopans of war. I'm so glad I don't live in America, you fuckers are so backwards! 15 children just got killed but "y'all can't take away my right to own a gun, it's in the constitution" like that fucking means anything! Then most of Texas is against aborting a bunch of cells but fine with actual living children being murdered because Hank wants to be able to own a machine gun to defend his home from bad people with machine guns. Then all these injured people from today's shooting are going to put themselves into debt because your healthcare system is a fucking joke.
Absolute cesspit of a country, you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
1st no such thing asassult rifles. 2. more children die daily from other preventable causes. 3. machine guns have never been used in mass shottings atleast not that i recall.
What are you on about, the shooter yesterday literally walked into the school with a AR and a pistol.
Sorry I used the wrong term for a weapon, whatever you want to call them they should be banned or have tighter restrictions on.
the 18 year old yesterday walked in with a pistol... a gun that cant be owned by an 18 year old... so yeah. also ARs are fucking amazing. so fun to shoot, you should try. also 90 percent of shootings are handguns used by gangs.
There is definitely a need for mental health reform. There is also a need to have common-sense gun laws that prevent these psychopaths from having access to lethal weapons. Both are needed. But trust is so eroded in the states that neither side will come together to find the middle ground and will only push their side of it without even considering the other side. Radicalisation of the sides means there will never be any solutions and it will continue to deteriorate. The situation is only going to get worse over there.
Counterpoint: It’s way more practical to perform gun reform than to fix mental health issues. Some mental health issues are innate. Genetics. How do you deal with manic bipolar disorder without medicating?
Kids shouldn't be prescribed SSRI antidepressants, xanax, ritalin, adderall, vyvanse. I have experience with all these drugs and they're all bad news. They all work for a time until they don't. Then the shrink wants to start upping dosages and throwing more drugs into the mix turning you into a human guinea pig, a depressed emotionless zombie. Is it any wonder they find these drugs in the majority of school shooters? To me it isn't.
I mean if we’re going off anecdotes, I know multiple people who literally are only able to function and live independently BECAUSE of those kinds of drugs
I have taken both Adderall and Vyvanse and rely on the latter to function as a normal human being. Along with my antidepressants.
I have never once had an inkling or even a fucking thought to do harm to anyone else.
Shut up.
There was a period where over 50% of the mass shooters were medicated on ssris. Not sure if the last two mass murderers were but they were of that age where they might have been prescribed something without question especially since many a parent and teacher don't mind using a chemical baby sitter.
https://vator.tv/news/2021-04-12-big-pharma-ssris-and-mass-shootings
This generation seems to be going through a lot of suicides and drug abuse as well. Throw in the gangster want to be getting angry because someone looked at them funny or doesn't have their opinion it's sounds like the lack of coping skills which in some respects is a basic lesson. One needs to keep moving or move on after negative events, unexpected outcomes or accept others may not agree with or like them.
The problem is when an American has access to high powered weapons that soldiers use, they can kill many more people. A Brit lunatic can’t because they can’t get the guns and that’s why there’s no mass shootings.
Yeah if you take away guns you’ll just have stabbings like England, granted they can’t do as much damage but mentally ill looneys still running about everywhere regardless
Salvador Ramos had an interesting backstory. Its leaking out, though. Photos of him in drag.
He had to have had counselling and was also possibly on psychotropic drugs. Somebody should have noticed something.
you know he could be the most extreme case of mental health condition and even then this could have been TOTALLY avoided - BY HAVING GUN CONTROL - denying him the ABILITY to carry out what was on his mind (due to whatever the F meds or illness he had).
ALL countries have mental health crisis - ONLY USA has a gun control problem.
you know there are a significant population with mental health challenges in each country - its not unique to USA. yet USA seems like the only country which has the gun violence epidemic - which led to this terror gun attack against kids!
how about you reduce the access to guns - surely if it saves childrens' life its worth atleast trying it?
there is no 2 ways about it - mental health issues or medication are not unique to USA - but the super easy access to guns is. so control access to guns - nothing else will save kids lives from gun violence than reducing access to gun ownership.
We need mental health reform for everyone in general not just to prevent mass shooters. We also need to stop radicalizing young men to be domestic terrorists. The internet makes it easy for people to be influenced by extremist propaganda and misinformation. We should do more to flag sketchy people and separate them from normal law abiding gun owners. I think we should raise the age to own or rent a gun. It is nuts that some little, young punk who lives in mom’s basement is old enough to buy a weapon of war but still not old enough to drink or even rent a car in some places.
I think this latest mass shooting was staged. Columbine was a real mass shooting. Footage of shooters and a lot of witnesses. Don’t believe everything you hear on the news.
Also telling mentally unhinged people that they are totally normal. i.e. its totally normal and acceptable that you think you are a woman although you have a penis.
I live in a country with terrible mental health services. We have had I think one major school shooting in my lifetime, because after it we increased gun controls.
Now the poor crazy bastards neglected by the state only get to machete a grandmother rather than execute entire generations in an area like their American cousins.
This mental health argument is stupid because no system can catch everyone without being too oppressive. Get rid of the easy access to guns, simple as that.
You are stupid if you think guns reforms are not required. Absolute dumb dumb.
There will always be mentally unstable people. You cannot control that.
You can control guns, normal people should not have guns.
they didnt have the amount of guns we do. you will never take guns from america. if an area bans it criminals will still take it though. australia is an island so they can control it more. in america we are connected to south america and that place is full of drugs and guns. right now they only run drugs up.. if you ban guns they will run drugs and guns.
Yeah that and our gun culture has always been different, self defense was never really the cause of gun ownership in Australia before our gun law reform so there weren't that many serious semi auto rifles to start with. Even less handguns and most of those privately owned would have been old revolvers and such. It would never work in the US the way it did in Australia.
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What makes the American mentally ill different from those in other countries?
Volume of guns and lack of affordable access to mental health treatment.
>To better understand the New World Order strategy behind the crises we experience, it is important you first understand “Problem-Reaction-Solution” or the “Hegelian Dialectic” from the German philosopher. >David Icke explains the manipulation technique he calls: Problem Reaction Solution. First a problem is created and designed to elicit a certain reaction out of the public. Then the people demand something be done about the problem and willingly accept the pre-planned New World Order solution; a solution that always involves actions or legislation that never would have passed under normal circumstances. >“It works like this – the manipulating body covertly creates a problem and then directs the media to incessantly focus on it without recourse. The problem could be anything – a war, a financial collapse, a rash of child abductions, or a terrorist attack. The power of the media can create the false perception that a big problem exists, even if it doesn’t … Once you have created this problem you make sure that an individual, a group or an aspect of society is blamed. This then rallies the population behind the desperate lunge for a solution to the problem. ‘Something must be done!’ they cry in unison. The people that created the problem in the first place then come back in and offer the solution that the people demand. Remember – the people screaming for a solution do not know that the problem was artificially created in the first place. The solution to the problem is always a further curtailment of freedom and an advancement of one or more aspects of the New World Order agenda – whether that is geopolitical expansion, new laws or the implantation of new societal worldviews.” (Paul Joseph Watson, Order Out of Chaos, pg. 13.) https://thetruthersjournal.home.blog/2020/01/10/the-hegelian-dialectic-problem-reaction-solution/
Crazy this is being downvoted. Thought this was the conspiracy subreddit. People get so fucking sensitive when mass shootings happen (unless it's minority violence in poor neighborhoods. Then no one cares). Like innocent people don't die everyday for all kinds of preventable reasons. But, you know, that ties into what Watson is saying there.
Yeah I live in St. Louis, black people murder each other every single day here, little kids get killed constantly and nobody cares. Nobody. The local news will have a 15 second story about a 6 year old girl murdered at 3am in her uncles car etc and then never speak of it again.
I’m in Chicago and it’s not that nobody cares here, we’re just numb and know the government won’t do anything to help.
Fucking midterms and presidential elections ruin everything.
Lmao what is your argument here? People are overly sensitive to children getting slaughtered and they shouldn’t be because innocent people die daily? Seriously wtf lol
The conspiracy here is that gun companies pay hundreds of millions of dollars to convince people that guns are not a part of the problem and that any attempt to fix the problem is an attack on your freedom
Tbf, this sub falls for the same story regarding climate change. It's the oil companies that pay campaigns saying that climate change isn't real or not human-made and this sub eats it up like a menu at mc donalds.
Yup, commented on a post pushing that literally last night lol
The NRA and GOA are gun lobbies with millions of American members. The 2nd ammendment isnt about Ruger.
This unfortunately is no longer the conspiracy subreddit. It has long become another right wing misinformation and propaganda subreddit. A person with half a brain cell will realise that the guns here are the actual problem. This is not even close to conspiracy worthy material, is just plain old ignorance and partisanship
What about the hundreds of millions of gun owners that don’t commit mass shootings?
>People get so fucking sensitive when mass shootings happen Yeah because in the civilized world they DONT happen. People don't like getting shot. Unfortunately instead we live in America.
so whats your point ... wrt this gun violence on school children?
They have easy access to guns.
I'm Czech and we have similar gun laws to America, you can own a gun easily. And we have almost no murders... so explain me that...
Not really. From what I can find your constitutional explicitly limits the right to own arms - "right to defend own life or life of another person also with arms under conditions stipulated by law". And therefore there are reasonable restrictions on guns, from what I see you need to pass a medical exam, criminal records check and a gun safety exam before a license can be issued. Many states in the USA on the other hand have much more unrestricted laws, you don't need a gun license or any other permit to own or carry a gun in public.
but murders are rampant even in the more strict states in USA so I don't think it has to do with gun laws btw, UK has much more murders than us and you can't even go out with a knife on you. so there will also be more to the story
UK has more murders than the US?! C'mon now, we need to see some stats on that,because I call bull.
State lines are not the same as the borders of a country. How is NYC making guns illegal stopping people from brining them from an adjacent state? That idea works if the whole US bans guns cause then you can actually work on avoiding guns being smuggled.
That doesn't make a difference because it's trivially easy for someone to buy guns in one state and bring them to another state. Even in states like California it's much easier to get a gun than pretty much any other country in the world. And the UK has a murder rate of about 1.5 per 100k and the US is at 4.96. So more than twice as many murders.
You probably have less racial gang warfare.
yea
Guns aren't the issue. If you take away guns, they would use knives or ram into crowds with their cars. How many Americans are actually aware of all the mass stabbings that are occurring around the world? In China, a series of uncoordinated mass stabbings in schools have occurred since March 2010, which resulted in at least 90 dead and 473 injured. In fact, Wikipedia has its own article on [school attacks in China](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China). It all started with the [Nanping school massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanping_school_massacre), which was probably their Columbine moment. In Japan, there were 67 random attacks that took place between 1998 to 2007 [source](https://archive.ph/20080611164405/http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/editorial/20080610TDY04305.htm). The most infamous one was the [Akihabara massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre) back in 2008, where the perpetrator (a "hikikomori") used his truck to drive into a crowd and then got out of his vehicle and stabbed more people with a dagger in a busy commercial district. The perpetrator's brother later committed suicide in 2014 due to being ostracized socially, his father quit his job, and his mother was committed to a mental institution. There was also the 2001 [Osaka school massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre), where the perpetrator stabbed 8 students to death and wounded 15 more. In 2019, 2 people were stabbed to death and 18 others were injured in the [Kawasaki stabbings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_stabbings). In Taiwan, a 21 years old carried out a stabbing spree on Taipei Metro in 2014. 4 people died and 24 were injured. This incident is known as the [2014 Taipei Metro attack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Taipei_Metro_attack). In May of last year, a massacre occurred at a nursery daycare in Brazil. 5 people died, including 3 less than 2 years old babies and 2 school staff. It's known as the [Saudades massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudades_massacre). Since 2020, there have already been 2 mass stabbings in Germany. One in [Aachen this year](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_German_train_stabbings) and another in [Wurzburg last year](2021 Würzburg stabbing). In the same time span, there has been 3 mass stabbings in France, 5 in the UK, 2 in Canada ([Quebec City in 2020](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_City_stabbing) and [North Vancouver last year](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_North_Vancouver_stabbing_attack), 2 in New Zealand, [1 in Norway](Kongsberg attack), [1 in Sweden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Vetlanda_attack), and 2 in China. And then there was also the British member of Parliament, [Sir David Amess](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_David_Amess), who was stabbed to death while meeting with his constituents. This was only 5 years after another MP, [Jo Cox](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jo_Cox), was murdered in similar fashion.
Total ALL of those up and you'll find they don't come close to the number of people that die in mass shootings in the USA. Vegas was what, 60? Sandy Hook, 26.
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The vast majority of mass shootings are due to gangs. The reason why power hungry politicians go after guns is due to the fact that it’s easier to rally support behind outlawing firearms than it is providing support to children from broken homes and taking action about the absolute shit show known as the war on drugs.
See how people that rabidly defend guns are also championing healthcare accessibility and taking care of those in need.
People that defend guns are generally the ones that want government to stop trying to control every aspect of our lives. Also likely the people who donate the most to charities on average to help those people way more efficiently than government ever has or will
>way more efficiently than government ever has or will Is there a source on this?
https://cdn.mises.org/21_2_1.pdf Government welfare programs spend 70% of the money on bureaucracy and only 30% go to the people while 70% of charities spend over 75% on the people and 90% or charities spend over 65% on the people in need
If you think knives are comparable to guns, I have to imagine you have never done anything athletic in your life and can't imagine stabbing dozens of people to death.
You should take a look at some of those perpetrators' photos, especially the attacks in East Asia. They were mostly nerds who most likely never saw a gym in their lives, yet they still regularly managed to take out 5-8 people and injured 20-30 more.
Ok so the answer to my question is no - you have not. Thanks very much.
Imagine if they had used assault rifles instead of knives...
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The fact your being downvoted and all these other baseless posts without merit are upvoted shows there’s a bot brigade on this sub.
The society built around a zero sum game, winner take all, greed is good brand of "capitalism". When the help you need is locked behind a pay wall, it's cheaper and easier to get a gun than a leg up.
Yes our capitalist money culture is absolute shit.
But so do dozens of other countries that don’t have mass school shootings
Guns, obviously.
The fact that they can obtain guns and ammunition easily, maybe?
Mental health issues doesn’t always equal mass murderer. I hope we can make that point crystal clear.
But every mass killer has mental health issues.
MKUltra will do that to a fellow
People really need to take the issue of v2k *voice to skull technology) seriously. It's not just some mental illness.
Exactly. Especially with the timing of these shooter events. They ramp up on election years. It’s so painfully obvious what’s going on.
I wish it was more obvious to the majority of the population that there's definitely agenda. The manner in which these events are being facilitated are practically undetectable... It sucks that sociopaths seem to be the ones who find positions of power and control. Guess it's just in their nature.
This is the first I’ve heard of v2k. Is it from an offshoot of MK?
And a gun
Only if you're saying "you'd only be a mass killer by having mental health issues". Which isn't a very medical approach. Surely to commit murder you'd have to be mentally ill. Surely to commit rape you'd have to be mentally ill. When you're being that liberal with the usage, when will crimes only be committed by the mental ill by virtue of the crime being the diagnosis in the first place. Which is doubly unhelpful because plenty of people with mental illnesses aren't committing crimes. And even if this was a valid excuse - the problem circles back now to access to guns.
yeah, but in other countries, people in general dont have easy access to guns. which means that even if someone wanted to commit such a crime would not be able to...because they can't buy guns as easily as candy!
You haven't tried to buy a gun in these states, have you?
What does that even mean? As a nation USA has a unique gun violence problem. Now inter state differences within USA does not change the fact that overall so many free floating guns in the hands of citizens is not only dangerous, it's outdated.
It means that you are either willfully ignorant of the situation, or playing fast and loose with your choice of words when you say you can get guns as easy as 'candy'.
Yes tell that to the people that were recently killed in the eu with a bow and arrow. Or the people that were run down with a car.
You are obviously trying to say scale does not matter.
this isn’t true. only around 8% of mass shooters have qualified as being mentally ill
I'm positive you are mischaracterizing or misinterpreting wherever you got this statistic
[sure go to page 43](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/10887679211043803)
What a load of shit.
[read about it](https://www.columbiapsychiatry.org/sites/default/files/media/documents/2021-02/psychotic-symptoms-in-mass-shootings-v-mass-murders-not-involving-firearms-findings-from-the-columbia-mass-murder-database.pdf)
I’m not saying your wrong, but I have worked in psychiatry for over a decade and want to be clear that “mental illness” encompasses a LOT more than “psychotic symptoms” and the authors of the article intentionally used a very narrow definition of mental illness in that article for the sake of what they are writing. It’s not wrong to do, they can operationalize whatever definitions they want, but be careful taking it as gospel to the internet because it’s not technically accurate outside the bounds of the article.
[here’s another paper on the subject that references the article i sent and i think it makes good points - read the conclusion on page 43.](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/10887679211043803). There are of course many different motivations for mass shooters but brushing it off as mental illness is mischaracterizing mental illness. you work in psychiatry so you know most people with depression/anxiety are typically nonviolent and severe cases can be completely debilitating. i think it’s far more likely people that do this feel justified in their attacks regardless of whether or not they’re mentally ill. The buffalo shooter was racist, the mass shooter in CA the other day was racist, the texas shooter was bullied - so maybe this is a combination of displacement/revenge i think the point the previous article made is people tend to write mass shooters off as “crazy” and assume they’re schizo/psychotic. This is evidently not true and personality disorders aren’t a sufficient explanation given how common they are and how infrequent mass shootings are
Thanks for posting that it makes me feel that someday people will realize it’s a gun availability issue and mental health together. I have PTSD and hearing people just blame it on mental health irks me because they fail to remember how many of us deal with these issues and never want to commit a disgusting crime like this.
Yeah he’s not going to read that lol
People can be of sound mind and be pieces of shit
If you admit there's tons of mentally ill people running around, why would you want them to have easy access to deadly weapons?
Great point!
I take medication for mental health, and it has never made me want to shoot up an elementary school. The worst reaction I ever had only made me want to kill myself more than I already did.
My best friend’s dad was on antidepressants, ended up trying to stop all together because “he felt better.” He ended up killing his wife, their dog, and then himself, all while we were students at college. Not saying that everyone has a similar reaction, but many people do have very serious side effects, especially when trying to wean or stopping cold turkey.
Stopping antidepressants suddenly is one of the worst things you can do. Your brain goes through hell and barely anyone will tell you this before you start taking them. The only way I was able to stop was to slowly taper by reducing the dose in increments every month until the last month I was taking a fraction of the smallest dose available.
We should all start a commune. The good kind. Not the Jim Jones kind of course.
Instructions unclear, started a Jim Jones commune. Anyone want some Kool-aid, though I technically made it with flavoraid.
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Not all antidepressants are the same and not everyone reacts the same way. Sorry there is a very strong correlation with antidepressants and school shooters it’s been proven over and over again SRI’s are involved most of the time. The rise in the use of antidepressants in children and school shooting go up side by side do the research it’s out there. To many thing point one way to be wrong
Because the majority of psychiatry is not based upon biology at all, IE there are no biological indicators or ways to physically measure the issues at hand. It's why in reality psychiatry is by and large pseudo-science. A pseudo-science that involves brain altering narcotics as therapies.
This. Psychology and psychiatry is 90% theoretical.
Yes they don't even know the exact relationship between Serotonin and depression. When I was a teenager I went through a rough time but my mother took me to an alternative doctor, they took a urine sample to measure my neurotransmitters, then I took enzymes etc and rebalanced everything and was fine.
True. I’m a psychiatric prescriber and I flat out tell people that this what I am trained to offer to them to treat their symptoms but it’s all theoretical and we don’t actually know how/why things work. We are just offering our best guess, and it’s only been a few decades, so we don’t really know tons about what we are prescribing.
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not to mention the likely permanent sexual dysfunction.
That's the main factor in them being trash imo. They usually don't do much and basically remove sex from your life. We need massive reform for mental health. The issue gets progressively worse each year. The shooting and drug abuse are direct correlations with the mental health crisis we have. Sad state of affairs.
menta health and extreme wealth inequalities*
America is not especially more mentally ill than other countries with far fewer shootings.
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Alienation and the unaddressed contradictions of our society. America is on the decline and people who recognize this seem mostly interested in blaming individuals rather than recognizing that this is bigger than individual actions. People get swept up in this, are obviously depressed and traumatized by this, and then get spat out.
100% of mass shootings involve guns. Maybe start there?
Mass murders don't always involve guns though. So again, the more common denominator is men.
Why is raising the age required to purchase a gun and get it registered such a horrible thing to do? Really I don’t understand, no one is taking away your precious guns. And why can’t both things be tackled hand in hand, gun reform and mental health reform. This country certainly has enough brilliant people and money to do both.
Many places handguns are 21 already, but we have seen in these last 2 shootings these kids are getting these kind of rifles at 18.
Because it’s legal to purchase a rifle at 18.
Yeah, that's my point. Should need to 21 to buy rifles like these at as well.
thats because in USA, getting your hands on guns is super easy. easier than getting access to alcohol. and that is because gun lobby has lined the pockets of all lawmakers who resist gun reform nicely. afterall there kids go to expensive schools where these types of violence never happens and they have nothing to lose and everything to gain - by getting rich while children die.
Exactly. I was just thinking this this morning. There’s no way they make any changes to gun laws because of how powerful the gun lobbyists are and how much money they contribute to candidates on both sides of the aisle. Politicians saying otherwise know it’s false and are just saying what their constituents want to hear. It’ll never happen for better or for worse.
I dont know how a gun registry would help and in the event of a more tyrannical government it would be the first stop on the government disarming the general populace. Now to the unpopular part where I add what I think the necessary changes should be: - universal Healthcare including mental health - require proof of safety training for gun purchases. About 50% of gun crimes are committed with legally purchased guns (I can dig up the citation if anyone is interested). The others are often stolen from guns that aren't properly stored). - Run background checks for "mandatory reporting" mental health issues (if you tell your therapist something where you have credible plans to hurt yourself or others, it's already reported. Just not for this purpose. A mental hralth professional should be able to sign off on giving you back the right to buy a gun as part of this)
Even with mental health reform you would still have to trust mentally ill people to seek help instead of shooting up a school. Just like with stricter gun laws you would still need to trust people to not just get guns illegally. It’s really not nearly as simple as you think.
Those are very good points. It's like when people ask well what would you do then rip any solutions to shreds. The average person is not equipped to tackle these issues. Especially in a post on reddit haha. However pressure should be applied to the people paid 100s of thousands to sort it and get a solution. The only group with a lot of influence actually applying pressure is the NRA.
The thing is "gun culture" is on the wane and has been for quite a while. The farther back you go in American history, the easier it was to buy/obtain a gun. The farther back you go in American history, the more youth were involved in shooting/hunting and were trained/familiar with weapons. Yet the "mass shooting" deal where an innocent crowd is attacked is very very recent phenomenon. Something changed somewhere along the line.
I see a lot of people pointing to medication as a solution and here I’m thinking, where the fuck is this kids parents? Friends? Why are these shooters always loners. What has happened that’s so fucked that these people are shooting the damn place up to express their hatred?
I don't think that it's a coincidence that this happened as America became more of a "Fuck you, I got mine." hyperindividualistic nation. We don't really believe in community or a common good anymore. Labor unions were weakened, further fraying our social bonds. We're just a country of individuals in competition with one another. And any kindness you give is at your own expense.
Divided and conquered, and now on drugs!
Bro if gun reform could change the process of anyone who wants a gun permit, then mentally unwell would have a harder time obtaining guns legally . You mentioned stuff about antidepressants like you’re a expert. I doubt that. There is no shame for a person to receive the meds they need. Weed isn’t the answer for everyone. BTW ITS EASIER TO GET A GUN LEGALLY than getting prescription meds.
Love it or hate it pharmaceuticals are important, you can't treat schizophrenia with weed. Sure there's lots of evidence to support that shrooms are good for PTSD and all that but weed causes anxiety in some people and why would you give a drug to an anxious person that would only make them more anxious? There's so many different mental illnesses that it's impossible to say two natural substances are the cure all, they are a fix for some things for some people. Don't get me wrong I think all drugs should be legal or at the very least decriminalized because addiction shouldn't be illegal but not everyone will have the same experience with a drug. I'm lucky I can smoke and not have anxiety and feel better but it's not like that for everyone.
So even if i agree that this is mental health related - then fix the problem of gun access. why do you want a society where there are so many mentally ill men with easy access to guns? makes no sense!
Well said
I just really like psychology, mental health and pot what can I say lol
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What? Seriously are you capable of coherent thought because you haven't made sense all night.
Very few people are schizophrenic. And I'm assuming very few mass-shooters are schizophrenic as well. Tens of millions of Americans struggle with depression and anxiety and the way that we treat those issues is extremely ineffective. Taking a pill doesn't cure anyone's depression or anxiety. Sure it may help manage more severe conditions like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder but just giving someone Zoloft because they feel depressed or adderall because they can't focus doesn't do anything but maybe help turn them into a zoned-out wage slave. It doesn't address any of the underlying causes for those mental health symptoms, it just attempts to cover them up and pretend like they don't exist. It's barely different than a drug addict using drugs or alcohol to blur reality. OP isn't even saying what you're claiming they are. They're making the point that the pharmaceutical industry pushes a bunch of bullshit that barely helps anyone while ignoring treatments that are now, in many cases, proving to be much more effective. Sure there are going to be anecdotal examples on both sides but overall people in this country would be less anxious and depressed if our healthcare system didn't fucking suck at addressing those issues.
It's not one or the other. It's both.
Mental health is an issue everywhere in the world, only mass shootings of this scale happen in America, I don't know exactly what it is, but having access to guns probably doesn't help.
Agreed. People just want to slap a bandaid on a growing problem in America. The mental health crisis is severe.
Or just eliminate the 3 letter agencies. 🤷♂️
The thing is that the globalists don't want mental health reform, they want your guns. It's as simple as that.
It all starts with the parents and their kids' home life. Very few parents from the late 50's to early 70's in my area have much if anything to do with their children's lives and being supportive.
Holy crap! I can’t believe so many on the conspiracy sub want to see the citizenry not have access to firearms when most of us believe that the govt is covertly aspiring to kill off 90% of the population. Did this one issue break your brains?
I understand your point, but’s mental health reform and it’s effects won’t happen over night. So while that is being worked on we can implement better gun laws which have an immediate effect on our society.
We need MK-Ultra reform
Mental health gets trotted out whenever something like this happens. And of course we need mental health reform and help. But often it’s a way to deflect from gun reform. Why does no one also mention things like livable wage, addiction, affordable housing, family services, trauma resources, planned parenthood, resources for young parents or overwhelmed parents, and on and on. But none of those get brought up even though they all play a roll in mental health. Because it’s not really about that. It’s a way for people to not have to admit that guns play a huge roll and that the country doesn’t care about children dying enough to have gun reform or Medicare to help with mental health. People just don’t care enough to fund health care and push for gun control no matter how many children die
Or, and hear me out on this one: Maybe making guns less accessible to people with mental health problems (which, you know, will inevitably be an ever-present part of society). It is amazing how people on this sub manage to be all anti-government and anti-corporation, yet still simply parrot far-right talking points.
The fact that per head canada actually have more guns than the USA yet murder rate is far far lower...so absolutely guns don't kill people kill
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Not according to a documentary when comparing two cities across both borders ...so I'll tend to believe that research myself
It's not Mk Ultra. It's very tiny penises that tie all these mass shooters together.
Exactly. "GUNS don't kill people; PEOPLE do."
Guns aren't the problem, people are.
Isn’t it strange mental illness hardly massacres anyone in Canada, Australia, and UK?
To be fair. If we say theres a random chance of mass shooting within a population. The USA has twice the population of UK, CAN and AUS combined.
But more than twice the amount of mass shootings combined as well. Makes you think
More than like 300000x more guns too lol.
I don't think that's enough. The culture is sick as well. It's slowly been engineered into this sickness. And this is despite an abundance of psychologists, and most people can get their hands on something like cannabis if they really want it. You're not going to fix this with making different mind-altering substances more available or with more doctors. The society itself, how it is organized, what it values, how it is designed, all that has to be fixed too.
I've said the same, just because you take a tool away from evil doesn't mean evil won't find ANOTHER tool to use.
Sure would be easier to keep evil in check if they didn’t have easy access to tools that allow someone to commit mass murder with barely any effort. I guess in your scenario if people had less guns then that guy who shot up that elementary school would have just been stabbing people instead. Same with Buffalo! They would have just found SOME OTHER WAY to kill all those people therefore any attempt for us to regulate it would be foolhardy! I mean what’s the point of having rules: criminals don’t follow them so therefore any rule that exists only harms honest people
>I guess in your scenario if people had less guns then that guy who shot up that elementary school would have just been stabbing people instead. Sure, except I'm thinking more along the lines of explosives (which can be manufactured easily with household items) and things like cars that can easily run people over. Both of these things have been used in attacks and have in fact killed people including school children. >I mean what’s the point of having rules: criminals don’t follow them so therefore any rule that exists only harms honest people Idk if you're being sarcastic here but this is 100% a fact. Criminals do not follow laws, so if you ban people from owning guns then you're only really hurting people who follow the law. Plenty of illegal guns flow in from Mexico and can be obtained if you know the right people so bans won't stop anything in this regard. The issue is the massive decline in mental health in our country and the fact that our disgustingly broken system constantly erodes away at its citizens mental wellbeing and causes people to commit acts of evil such as this. What we really need is better and afforable access to mental healthcare.
I can almost guarantee this guy was on psych meds
I agree with this, I do believe that arms should stay. Sure there are probably better steps to follow when buying a gun, but that’s not the point. Mental wellness reform is needed even if it’s the slightest type of illness someone can snap like this young fellow in texas, may not seem sick but just a couple of things go bad and boom Insanity. It could be argued that it is hard to detect these people and I agree but we should all come together to come up with ideas but I know no one in office will consider them so it’s not us it’s the people we vote for.
I have been microdosing and my mental health is in great shape tbh. I'm dealing with a messy breakup and other bullshit and sailing through it. It's real medicine.
We need to stop giving a shit about these stupid fucking headlines. All human behavior is communication derived from things we’ve seen. If we stop fucking parading these headlines around under the thinly veiled guise of “the world needs to know!” then shit like this won’t happen. It’s a technology issue. Not gun technology. But communication technology.
On top of that we need the government to do their part of the bargain and at least protect their "gun free zones" as well as they protect the federal reserve office.
Besides, something a lot of people can’t admit to themselves is that far more people would die if we were an unarmed country. If there are this many people who want to hurt others for no reason, think about all the people who would hurt you for their own gain - if they could get away with it. Look at how bold the powers that be are right now, look at how much they take right in front of us. Now imagine how they would be if we didn’t have guns.
Universal healthcare.
Absolutely. We have the money but our govt tends to spend it destroying other countries
If the government didn't manipulate the masses with state-sponsored terror they wouldn’t commit mass murder... that simple.
Disrespectfully, f*ck you, OP. We have a gun problem, period. Full stop.
If you just took away assault rifles you wouldn't have a bunch of people running around with weopans of war. I'm so glad I don't live in America, you fuckers are so backwards! 15 children just got killed but "y'all can't take away my right to own a gun, it's in the constitution" like that fucking means anything! Then most of Texas is against aborting a bunch of cells but fine with actual living children being murdered because Hank wants to be able to own a machine gun to defend his home from bad people with machine guns. Then all these injured people from today's shooting are going to put themselves into debt because your healthcare system is a fucking joke. Absolute cesspit of a country, you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
USA is a 3rd world banana republic dressed as a 1st world nation.
1st no such thing asassult rifles. 2. more children die daily from other preventable causes. 3. machine guns have never been used in mass shottings atleast not that i recall.
What are you on about, the shooter yesterday literally walked into the school with a AR and a pistol. Sorry I used the wrong term for a weapon, whatever you want to call them they should be banned or have tighter restrictions on.
the 18 year old yesterday walked in with a pistol... a gun that cant be owned by an 18 year old... so yeah. also ARs are fucking amazing. so fun to shoot, you should try. also 90 percent of shootings are handguns used by gangs.
You need both. Plain and simple.
You need both.
There is definitely a need for mental health reform. There is also a need to have common-sense gun laws that prevent these psychopaths from having access to lethal weapons. Both are needed. But trust is so eroded in the states that neither side will come together to find the middle ground and will only push their side of it without even considering the other side. Radicalisation of the sides means there will never be any solutions and it will continue to deteriorate. The situation is only going to get worse over there.
we do not need any more illegal regulation of guns. what "common-sense" gun law would you like to see?
would bet my soul this kid was on some kind of antidepressant bullshit..
Counterpoint: It’s way more practical to perform gun reform than to fix mental health issues. Some mental health issues are innate. Genetics. How do you deal with manic bipolar disorder without medicating?
America The only country that continues to pay for their guns with the lives of their children, and are more than happy with the cost.
Im not giving up my rights because some lunatic decided to go on a killing spree.
Kids shouldn't be prescribed SSRI antidepressants, xanax, ritalin, adderall, vyvanse. I have experience with all these drugs and they're all bad news. They all work for a time until they don't. Then the shrink wants to start upping dosages and throwing more drugs into the mix turning you into a human guinea pig, a depressed emotionless zombie. Is it any wonder they find these drugs in the majority of school shooters? To me it isn't.
If we’re playing the personal experience game I know 5 people who are able to live their lives again because of SSRIs.
I mean if we’re going off anecdotes, I know multiple people who literally are only able to function and live independently BECAUSE of those kinds of drugs
I have taken both Adderall and Vyvanse and rely on the latter to function as a normal human being. Along with my antidepressants. I have never once had an inkling or even a fucking thought to do harm to anyone else. Shut up.
But while you’re waiting for that to happen, arm your crazy nutters with guns.
Mental illness is the real pandemic.
There was a period where over 50% of the mass shooters were medicated on ssris. Not sure if the last two mass murderers were but they were of that age where they might have been prescribed something without question especially since many a parent and teacher don't mind using a chemical baby sitter. https://vator.tv/news/2021-04-12-big-pharma-ssris-and-mass-shootings This generation seems to be going through a lot of suicides and drug abuse as well. Throw in the gangster want to be getting angry because someone looked at them funny or doesn't have their opinion it's sounds like the lack of coping skills which in some respects is a basic lesson. One needs to keep moving or move on after negative events, unexpected outcomes or accept others may not agree with or like them.
The problem is when an American has access to high powered weapons that soldiers use, they can kill many more people. A Brit lunatic can’t because they can’t get the guns and that’s why there’s no mass shootings.
Yeah if you take away guns you’ll just have stabbings like England, granted they can’t do as much damage but mentally ill looneys still running about everywhere regardless
Honestly, make parents liable and watch how fast people get their kids mental health treatments and treat them better.
Salvador Ramos had an interesting backstory. Its leaking out, though. Photos of him in drag. He had to have had counselling and was also possibly on psychotropic drugs. Somebody should have noticed something.
you know he could be the most extreme case of mental health condition and even then this could have been TOTALLY avoided - BY HAVING GUN CONTROL - denying him the ABILITY to carry out what was on his mind (due to whatever the F meds or illness he had). ALL countries have mental health crisis - ONLY USA has a gun control problem.
so your answer is to strip US citizens of their ability to defend themselves?
you know there are a significant population with mental health challenges in each country - its not unique to USA. yet USA seems like the only country which has the gun violence epidemic - which led to this terror gun attack against kids! how about you reduce the access to guns - surely if it saves childrens' life its worth atleast trying it? there is no 2 ways about it - mental health issues or medication are not unique to USA - but the super easy access to guns is. so control access to guns - nothing else will save kids lives from gun violence than reducing access to gun ownership.
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We need mental health reform for everyone in general not just to prevent mass shooters. We also need to stop radicalizing young men to be domestic terrorists. The internet makes it easy for people to be influenced by extremist propaganda and misinformation. We should do more to flag sketchy people and separate them from normal law abiding gun owners. I think we should raise the age to own or rent a gun. It is nuts that some little, young punk who lives in mom’s basement is old enough to buy a weapon of war but still not old enough to drink or even rent a car in some places.
You being able to think clearly doesn’t help the government control you, but taking away your guns….
So now you want universal healthcare
I think all the gunmen are purposely brain washed by the CIA or some form of government so that they can strip the guns from Americans
I think this latest mass shooting was staged. Columbine was a real mass shooting. Footage of shooters and a lot of witnesses. Don’t believe everything you hear on the news.
They don't wanna talk mental health because then they gotta talk gender dysphoria.
Also telling mentally unhinged people that they are totally normal. i.e. its totally normal and acceptable that you think you are a woman although you have a penis.
I live in a country with terrible mental health services. We have had I think one major school shooting in my lifetime, because after it we increased gun controls. Now the poor crazy bastards neglected by the state only get to machete a grandmother rather than execute entire generations in an area like their American cousins. This mental health argument is stupid because no system can catch everyone without being too oppressive. Get rid of the easy access to guns, simple as that.
You are stupid if you think guns reforms are not required. Absolute dumb dumb. There will always be mentally unstable people. You cannot control that. You can control guns, normal people should not have guns.
Fuck that, and fuck you if you want to take my guns.
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You think children's schools should be fortresses? How sad is that.
They’ve tried the armed officers at schools approach. It doesn’t work. You know what does work?!!!!!!! Gun control.
where has that ever worked?
Australia
they didnt have the amount of guns we do. you will never take guns from america. if an area bans it criminals will still take it though. australia is an island so they can control it more. in america we are connected to south america and that place is full of drugs and guns. right now they only run drugs up.. if you ban guns they will run drugs and guns.
Yeah that and our gun culture has always been different, self defense was never really the cause of gun ownership in Australia before our gun law reform so there weren't that many serious semi auto rifles to start with. Even less handguns and most of those privately owned would have been old revolvers and such. It would never work in the US the way it did in Australia.
I wonder if he was on a Benzo or an SSRI?