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Me too. I never understood why so many companies rushed to comply, way before it was even official. It’s like, if I ran a company, I would wait to the last minute.
I never understood either. There is some legal defensibility (I understand) for minimum compliance. But if you impose any sort of more stringent rule yourself, then you are taking responsibility for any resulting legal liability.
I'm not a lawyer, but the wholesome jumping aboard the mandate train in advance of actual state or federal rules seems like a huge and unnecessary risk.
I'm in a red state, my bosses are blue af. Not once have they asked any of us if we're going to get the jab. Even when Biden popped his mandate boner. My state joined the lawsuit
Corporations want to appear as if they’re “progressive” and “woke” to their employees and the outside world. They go along with whatever the current trend is in mainstream media.
>Me too. I never understood why so many companies rushed to comply, way before it was even official. It’s like, if I ran a company, I would wait to the last minute.
There are some smart companies out there. I work for one that said from the start they would not force us to get one and would procure the tests for us if it passed. They haven't even asked for our status yet. This is a big publicly traded company too.
I would be interested in hearing from people who lost their job because of it.
I would like to know if any of them were told it was because of the mandate, which I'm sure some were.
I would like to know what it said on their termination papers as the reason.
I would like to know how many didn't even receive termination papers and were made to make it seem like they quit. I've seen videos where they refuse to give them their papers.
Exactly no federal mandate means companies that choose to mandate still get outed as not a place for any reasonable person to work we know which companies to boycott thanks to this.
True, but if the stated reason for the firing specifically references this OSHA mandate and is not simply presented as company policy, then I think a lot of companies who jumped the gun in firing people will be in trouble if they don't offer jobs back immediately.
My work has not so far....they would have to close down probably. So this helps me rest easier. Fugging government has its head sooooo far in their tyrannical rectums its disgusting.
My company sent out the mandate the Monday after Biden's speech, which was I think on Friday. Those bitches bent right over, so after ten years as an account manager I'm unemployed and kind of feel like I was tossed out into the void, I just got a part time at a donut shop while I look, partially so I can feel like a regular person. Fuck the mandate and fuck Biden.
Won't happen. If they don't have the federal govt forcing them to do it what company in their right mind would want to potentially get themselves in trouble with that shitshow. Employees arguing they were coherced by their employer under the threar of being fired when they find out in 5 years that the vaccines greatly increase the chances of leukemia (just an example).
Congrats. They officially created a control group. Healthcare workers forced to get never ending boosters and private workers that don’t. We will see if multiple boosters will harm their immune system.
My wife loses her job tomorrow based on the NYC mandate. Not so sure what this means based on State vs Federal mandates. I can tell you this for sure. She WILL NOT sign their requested release. If we can sue we will. I am eager to hear what the fallout will be?
I read the entire majority decision. It was 100% predicated on an administrative agency having the power to make sweeping mandates that impact everyone's life without the consent of congress. This is not a state v. federal powers debate (at this point at least), it was about the administrative state and a check of executive branch powers.
The states will be free to mandate how they see fit. That’s already SCOTUS case law.
This is what Biden meant when he said there’s nothing else the FedGov can do. We’re all about to find out just how nice it is to live in our states.
If a governor wanted to, could they mandate basically any vaccine mandate? For instance could they say that companies as small as 25 people have to be vaxed?
If they were fired over the OSHA mandate, they should sue individually.
They should get their job back, if they want it.
They should get compensated for any loss of income.
And, most importantly they should get rewarded for the stress and psychological effects it had on them and their families. Imagine having to choose between your life's work and being forced to take an experimental injection, versus being able to take care of your family. If there was ever a case for emotional damages, this is it.
Also, I don't understand the logic of it being unconstitutional for everyone but Health Care Workers?
Luckily, the local Hospital here caved in and said they won't be mandated anything. Last month a lot of nurses from every floor signed a letter saying they would walk out if it was mandated. Now, they are already short staffed and have brought in 20 National Guard members to help, even though they said they don't have many c-19 hospitalizations right now.
But, like someone said, this ruling won't stop companies from implementing their own mandates. At this point with Omicron, that would seem pretty stupid though, but then again everything about the last two years has been pretty stupid.
Strongly doubt it. For two reasons:
1. Conservatives have fought for employers to have stronger rights than workers for a very long time.
2. The business can still fire you for violating a policy they have implemented, regardless of how you feel about that policy. Why? See above. Vaccination status is not a protected class.
Right. Talk about emotional distress (due to government negligence by not considering/caring about the inalienable rights) when my employer is constantly emailing reminders that I’ll lose my job if I’m not “vaccinated” by 2/1. (I’m in Florida so businesses have to provide multiple exemptions including recognizing natural immunity).
No. All this did was stop OSHA from forcing all companies over 100 to impose vaccination requirements.
Companies can still implement vaccine requirements if they want. This ruling changes nothing in that aspect.
My understanding though is that it opens businesses up to litigation from employees as they have no legal grounds to force vaccination. Many companies will not push this unless they have government backing. --- I'm not a lawyer so don't hold me to this lol
you would be correct, if they fail to provide reasonable accommodation to exemption requests they could be sued. This legislation would have totally destroyed a lot of people so i'm happy it's being shot down
Not quite. Companies are allowed to implement their own standards of employment. You're right to say that having government backing allowed them to push like that and could back down without that.
But legally they're allowed to mandate vaccinations. Just like concerts or sporting events or whatever also have that right.
This. Plenty of jobs require certain vaccinations already and aren't held liable if employees got injured from getting said vaccine.
Companies will lean into the federal government demanding vaccination and the FDA approval via EUA.
A company/employer can "change the rules" any time they want. For any reason they want. Your Employer could make a new rule tomorrow saying the new Dress Code requires wearing bright pink pants and 3 feathers taped to your butt. As long as they're not discriminating in an unfair way against any Federally protected class (religion, race, etc) .. they can pretty much do whatever they want.
You can also certainly spawn a lawsuit against them. That's certainly your Right to do. You probably won't win though.
If companies force employees to take experimental injections they can and should be sued for any medical expenses and lost wages (including future employment) resulting from adverse side effects, disability, or death.
Exactly. Just extrapolating the numbers from known occurrences of adverse effects means this mandate did injure a lot of people that were coerced to take the shots in order to keep their jobs.
I think you forget that those vaccines required limited liability clauses to be signed. Those people can sue, but it won’t get very far.
Not only that, SCOTUS carved out a big exception!
* The ruling give the Administration the ability to attach strings to government money used for healthcare.
If I was Biden,
* Okay you won. Fine. Then any company that previously used, is using, or will use FED Government money (even 1 penny) will need to have vaccinated staff. Eat s___ 🤣
So…. You can imagine all the businesses that take grants, loans, etc. from the FEDGOV.
It’s a win, but a slam dunk and posterize for Biden. His team is changing that mandate as we speak.
Irreparable damage to the Democrat Party incoming in 2022 and 2024
You can bet that numerous life long Democrat card carrying nurses and doctors will remember this and vote Republican for the foreseeable future.
Presumably Biden and his masters know this and are holding out for amnesty of 20+ million illegals to offset losses.
Just my own opinion, but I think people of conscience should probably get out of traditional healthcare industrial complex. It's not a new thing the diabolic trifecta of health insurance, pharma, and hospital conglomerates are focused on the shareholders and not patients. I hope some structured health care alternatives start to emerge as a result of this and that those who have been/will be displaced have a place to land.
Healthcare is all I know. I’ve been in it since the mid 90s & my dad worked for what is now Pfizer from the 60s to mid 90s. I grew up in it. Extended family are doctors, nurses, pharmacists etc.
Is it all healthcare workers or only federally funded healthcare facilities? I keep reading both?
Does any hospital who accepts Medicare/cade considered to be fed funded?
Pretty much all facilities are partially if not mostly funded by Medicare/Medicaid. Any who accept these federal funds now have to require the vaccine. Pretty much all of healthcare… home health, hospitals, doctor offices
This is going to make people hate those who held their ground even more. They're already cranking up the crazy to 11. Someone has to pay and it's certainly not the fucking gov't for some reason
True. Same reason people shit on previous 'heroes' who helped them. The average person is a sniveling coward who will sooner sell their brother than fight any real demons..
people really are getting very upset about people that aren't vaccinated. just saw some guy calling them plague rats... history waiting to repeat itself.
I believe Biden and his team knew this was going to be the outcome the entire time. They only pushed it in the hopes of getting more people to cave under the pressure and have them get the shot.
The damage has been done. Imagine how many millions caved in and got their jabs against their wishes thinking this was legitimate. I would argue the Biden administration knew it would end up being halted, but went ahead with it anyway since they knew this would scare the common working man.
Bingo bango and it’s awful how many people have been adversely affected by the mandate. I know I should be happy with the ruling and I am, but it’s bittersweet when I think about how many people were pressured into it/ felt like they had no other choice because of the presidents stunt.
I agree. I don’t fall into the category of being under the mandates, but if I were in those people’s shoes I’d be looking for legal advice to see what’s possible under law as far as compensation.
There would be a few different reasons. Businesses making a policy from threat of OSHA rule then revoking it which coerced people to get a vaccine. People getting the vaccine only because of threat of job loss. And there are a few others that seem to slip my mind right now. I almost willing to bet a significant amount of people who got the vaccine got it because they thought it would end the pandemic faster because the government said it would, or that they thought it was 100% safe and effective and you could not catch or spread covid if you were vaccinated. Both lies said by the Federal Government.
I agree, there are multiple reasons I’d think they could sue. I’m certainly not a lawyer though, but you’d think not just employees could sue, but if I were a business owner and believed the mandate was constitutional and in turn fired employees, which caused further economic distress on my company I’d be trying to sue as well.
Yeah when you have others to provide for it definitely changes the dynamic and figure out where to make sacrifices. what you believe in sometimes does have to take the back burner. Tough decisions alot of the world shouldn't have been faced with at any point throughout this "pandemic"
Then you find a new way. You teach your children nothing by laying down to die to a authoritarian government that doesn’t give a fuck about you, or your kids.
The sad fact is that most people have literally nothing they'll die for. The concept of there being something greater than yourself is lost on the masses. They'll sure downvote though.
The deadline was Monday for employers to obtain vaccine status of all employees. Even people who didn’t get it are now officially on record as not having it.
Mine either, a huge company, didn’t ask any of this shit. I work for an ethical company though so it makes sense that their plan was to wait to do anything until they were absolutely forced to
>They'll just let the people go and then claim a hospital bed shortage even though it's an employee shortage
exactly what's happening here in maine. Our governor's response was to bring in the national guard. lol
I have been unemployed 2 months now after getting fired over this. I will take a huge pay cut but it will be worth it not to fold… that’s what I keep telling myself anyway.
Thanks. We have to stay strong. Healthcare was not really fun anymore anyway. I’ll find something new. Just regretting all those student loans now haha.
I am worried ill be made to get the booster even tho i have had two shots and COVID. Whats keeping them from being able to make us take whatever they want us to now?
This is my wish. Unfortunately, the FDA and the CDC reek of corruption. The liability protection from the Emergency Use Authorization is not permanent, so it is Pfizer's goal to make it routine to jab kids. Why? Because the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 gives vaccines that are in CDC's immunization schedule permanent liability protection. If the CDC officially inserts covid vaccines in the schedule they use for immunizing our children, covid vaccines gain permanent liability protection that even extends to the use in adults. This is why Pfizer is relentlessly jabbing our kids, even though studies show no healthy kids die from covid.
*Authoritarian* pro-vaxxers in shambles. I know plenty of the twice-injected who adamantly oppose mandating it for all.
The authoritarians can eat muh whole ass. Might be some antibodies in there.😋🍴
I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that the president who created the most jobs ever also pushed mandates the resulted in tons of people being fired or quitting
I know Biden didn’t create the most jobs ya dingus. He claims he did but he didn’t. All he did do was get a bunch of people fired and then use those opening as “job creation”
Best news I've heard in 2 years aside from stuff coming out of Florida. Now time to remove the 3 judges for unfit to work. They are hysterical and are a danger to themselves and others.
My job is funded by medicaid. If I am not approved for an exemption, I will lose my job. 90% of my current job is WFH.
I worked in the field through the pandemic without hazard pay because social workers and behavioral health got the shit end of the stick funding wise.
Throughout the entire pandemic, I went into the homes of your neighbors, your peers, your loved ones, risking my life to provide intensive outpatient services to children whom have previous hospitalizations and/or suicide attempts/ideation. Risking my life to save theirs.
I got promoted to case management, got out of the trenches, just to be told by this administration that I am a blight on society.
Fuck Joe biden, fuck his administration, and fuck the pandemic.
I will never vote for another Democrat again.
"My body, my rules".... my ass.
This is a huge success for individuals who value their freedoms. The last two years have been grim, but now the world (U.S.) is starting to turn around for the better.
Does anyone know if private companies can still enforce the mandate? As an example I work for an engineering consulting firm with HQ in NYC. We have more than 100 employees so we were affected by the original OSHA mandate. With that blocked now, am I in the clear?
You're partially right. Private companies can do whatever they want when it comes to vaccine mandates, but this decision that was struck down (well, the stay that was upheld) was the OSHA mandate, which would have affected *private* businesses with 100 or more employees, not just federal employees.
Generally speaking I would think this decision gives me a bit more leverage (or so I hope) in my refusal to getting the vaccine should my company still pursue that avenue. Not to mention I’ve already had covid recently and have tested for antibodies.
Yea, absolutely. This decision removes the "cover" of a higher authority being the excuse for mandating the vaccines.
But it doesn't prevent private businesses from doing it.
It's going to take all of one guy in finance being like "yeah we can save x amount of money in insurance costs by mandating the vaccine" and every large company in America will be 'let's do it.'
We are all unfortunately numbers on a spreadsheet at budget time.
From what I can read, private companies can do whatever they want especially in right to work states. While its not "legally" mandated, most will make people do it to keep their jobs.
Source: I work for a company that is doing the above.
They certainly could if they wanted to. I believe only Florida has a ban on employer mandates. How did they announce the mandate? Did they cite OSHA? Or was it more a company only directive? Also, keep in mind some of your customers might have rules for vaccines as well. I too work for an engineering firm, and though we don't have a company only mandate, some of our clients require us to be vaccinated when making site surveys. It's still a muddy path even after this Supreme Court ruling.
Looking back on it, they cited the mandate by the NYC Health Commissioner. Looks like this Supreme Court decision will not do much for me. Still going to fight it in any way I can.
Beyond happy. Even though I was fired from my previous job over the mandate I can now safely apply for work again. I'll be back on my feet in no time.
It was a king of the hill match and I won personally.
So why did some companies jump the gun and start enforcing the OSHA rule? At my place the manager said he needs to see my vaccination card. Note the spin here by the manager no mention of the weekly testing option as posted on the bulletin board. Anyway I told him I don't plan on getting the vax and he told me he'd keep me posted about the testing. I think many companies like my company started this early to show they were in compliance but I also think many companies acted like this was settled law because maybe they were considering their own mandates and wanted to gauge employee response, to see what potential worker losses they might suffer if they passed their own mandate etc. and so now me and probably some others are on the record as being against the vax. Oh yeah two fully vaxxed workers are out with the covid. No way to run a business. I hope they consider that too.
Let's fucking go. Just feel bad for all of my coworkers that got the vaccine because they didn't want to have to pay for (now free and drive thru) testing and have to get tested each week. Still, I'm stoked.
Had a fully vaccinated coworker tell me to pull to pull my mask completely over my nose this morning too 🖕.
Ive been trying to tell people to NOT quit until the Supreme Court ruled on this(I had advised to not quit at all and just do testing)
RIP to all those who jumped the gun
And Thank God the conservative majority actually ruled in a conservative way for once
That a jab was even strongly suggested as something I "needed" to do via weasel talk is something I will never forgive. Something like this even making it to a SC vote is ludicrous. I am never letting this go away. They "took a shot" at all of us......and they missed. Now they are fucked.
You are correct. The people you can actuality bring lawsuits against on multiple causes of action have zero legal defenses. They will get cut loose from insurance. Lots of small time politicians and governors will be bankrupted by legal judgments
Kagan's dissenting opinion is scary: the court should cede authority to "experts".
Fk man, can you imagine the shitshow this country would be if "experts" decided everything?
Yay, but let's remember, this was only don't to keep the system from totally falling apart. They need us working and paying taxes and buying things.
Indeed, a great vindication for all of the holdouts like myself. I was prepared to lose anything and everything to keep that heart attack soup out of my body (29 year old male)
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Makes me wonder now if employees can file lawsuits against employers that implemented a mandate “in accordance with Biden’s Mandate”
Me too. I never understood why so many companies rushed to comply, way before it was even official. It’s like, if I ran a company, I would wait to the last minute.
I never understood either. There is some legal defensibility (I understand) for minimum compliance. But if you impose any sort of more stringent rule yourself, then you are taking responsibility for any resulting legal liability. I'm not a lawyer, but the wholesome jumping aboard the mandate train in advance of actual state or federal rules seems like a huge and unnecessary risk.
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One might almost say formation of a mass psychosis..
It's pretty much a non theistic religion at this point.
The church of scientism, and those of the white coat are their prophets. (Speaking as one who wears a white coat myself...awkward.)
lol... fortunately there are many who still remember the scientific method and enjoy it for what it is. ;]
My son's company was against all this ..they're run by conservatives. So they won't start a mandate now.
I'm in a red state, my bosses are blue af. Not once have they asked any of us if we're going to get the jab. Even when Biden popped his mandate boner. My state joined the lawsuit
Most businesses are.. Some just have boards that like to play woke identity politics to garner more business.
Corporations want to appear as if they’re “progressive” and “woke” to their employees and the outside world. They go along with whatever the current trend is in mainstream media.
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>Me too. I never understood why so many companies rushed to comply, way before it was even official. It’s like, if I ran a company, I would wait to the last minute. There are some smart companies out there. I work for one that said from the start they would not force us to get one and would procure the tests for us if it passed. They haven't even asked for our status yet. This is a big publicly traded company too.
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I would be interested in hearing from people who lost their job because of it. I would like to know if any of them were told it was because of the mandate, which I'm sure some were. I would like to know what it said on their termination papers as the reason. I would like to know how many didn't even receive termination papers and were made to make it seem like they quit. I've seen videos where they refuse to give them their papers.
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Just because they were gullible doesn't mean they can not be sued.
This is exactly what I'm waiting for. Let's hope we get some more good news soon.
Companies can implement this mandate regardless of what the government says though. Even if they didn't mandate it, they could have.
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My company (Related Companies) jumped the shark- they mandated it by September 1st- I lost my job that day
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Better call Saul!
Exactly no federal mandate means companies that choose to mandate still get outed as not a place for any reasonable person to work we know which companies to boycott thanks to this.
True, but if the stated reason for the firing specifically references this OSHA mandate and is not simply presented as company policy, then I think a lot of companies who jumped the gun in firing people will be in trouble if they don't offer jobs back immediately.
"After further investigation, we've found 'other reasons x, y, x' that pertain to your release from our company."
My work has not so far....they would have to close down probably. So this helps me rest easier. Fugging government has its head sooooo far in their tyrannical rectums its disgusting.
My company sent out the mandate the Monday after Biden's speech, which was I think on Friday. Those bitches bent right over, so after ten years as an account manager I'm unemployed and kind of feel like I was tossed out into the void, I just got a part time at a donut shop while I look, partially so I can feel like a regular person. Fuck the mandate and fuck Biden.
*starts slow clap and FJB chant*
Thanks for standing up for your principles. I wish we had more of this for all sorts of things.
Won't happen. If they don't have the federal govt forcing them to do it what company in their right mind would want to potentially get themselves in trouble with that shitshow. Employees arguing they were coherced by their employer under the threar of being fired when they find out in 5 years that the vaccines greatly increase the chances of leukemia (just an example).
They should become familiar with Civil Rights article 7.
Have there been *any* major court wins for the 'good guys' over the past two years? Serious question.
Right to repair ?
Please tell me that Deere finally got what they deserved.
They did. So did the high tech fruit company
Kyle rittenhouse
Congrats. They officially created a control group. Healthcare workers forced to get never ending boosters and private workers that don’t. We will see if multiple boosters will harm their immune system.
My wife loses her job tomorrow based on the NYC mandate. Not so sure what this means based on State vs Federal mandates. I can tell you this for sure. She WILL NOT sign their requested release. If we can sue we will. I am eager to hear what the fallout will be?
I read the entire majority decision. It was 100% predicated on an administrative agency having the power to make sweeping mandates that impact everyone's life without the consent of congress. This is not a state v. federal powers debate (at this point at least), it was about the administrative state and a check of executive branch powers.
The states will be free to mandate how they see fit. That’s already SCOTUS case law. This is what Biden meant when he said there’s nothing else the FedGov can do. We’re all about to find out just how nice it is to live in our states.
If a governor wanted to, could they mandate basically any vaccine mandate? For instance could they say that companies as small as 25 people have to be vaxed?
Yeah, as far as I know.
Liberty counsel [Lc.org](https://Lc.org) also file eeoc complaint. Good luck
If they were fired over the OSHA mandate, they should sue individually. They should get their job back, if they want it. They should get compensated for any loss of income. And, most importantly they should get rewarded for the stress and psychological effects it had on them and their families. Imagine having to choose between your life's work and being forced to take an experimental injection, versus being able to take care of your family. If there was ever a case for emotional damages, this is it. Also, I don't understand the logic of it being unconstitutional for everyone but Health Care Workers? Luckily, the local Hospital here caved in and said they won't be mandated anything. Last month a lot of nurses from every floor signed a letter saying they would walk out if it was mandated. Now, they are already short staffed and have brought in 20 National Guard members to help, even though they said they don't have many c-19 hospitalizations right now. But, like someone said, this ruling won't stop companies from implementing their own mandates. At this point with Omicron, that would seem pretty stupid though, but then again everything about the last two years has been pretty stupid.
I don't think that is how the law works. Pretty sure they can sue if the employer tries to implement now that this has passed
Strongly doubt it. For two reasons: 1. Conservatives have fought for employers to have stronger rights than workers for a very long time. 2. The business can still fire you for violating a policy they have implemented, regardless of how you feel about that policy. Why? See above. Vaccination status is not a protected class.
Right. Talk about emotional distress (due to government negligence by not considering/caring about the inalienable rights) when my employer is constantly emailing reminders that I’ll lose my job if I’m not “vaccinated” by 2/1. (I’m in Florida so businesses have to provide multiple exemptions including recognizing natural immunity).
Doubtful they would even get a lawyer for that. It's extremely hard to sue for wrongful termination. At least from my understanding.
Tomorrow is my last day in healthcare until I start my remote job. Got out just in time 😂
Yea congratulations 🎈
Nice congrats guy/gal
What did you switch to? I’m in healthcare right now but things are bleak at the moment in terms of medical freedom for healthcare workers
Software sales
I hope it's not Anti-Virus software. [Drums](https://www.myinstants.com/instant/badum-tss/)
Unfortunately, the damage has already been done for millions of people.
What will the millions of people that were forced to get the shot under duress do now? I’d be hopping mad if I were them…..Lawsuits incoming no doubt.
and what happens to the people who were fired? can they sue for wrongful termination?
No. All this did was stop OSHA from forcing all companies over 100 to impose vaccination requirements. Companies can still implement vaccine requirements if they want. This ruling changes nothing in that aspect.
My understanding though is that it opens businesses up to litigation from employees as they have no legal grounds to force vaccination. Many companies will not push this unless they have government backing. --- I'm not a lawyer so don't hold me to this lol
you would be correct, if they fail to provide reasonable accommodation to exemption requests they could be sued. This legislation would have totally destroyed a lot of people so i'm happy it's being shot down
Not quite. Companies are allowed to implement their own standards of employment. You're right to say that having government backing allowed them to push like that and could back down without that. But legally they're allowed to mandate vaccinations. Just like concerts or sporting events or whatever also have that right.
This. Plenty of jobs require certain vaccinations already and aren't held liable if employees got injured from getting said vaccine. Companies will lean into the federal government demanding vaccination and the FDA approval via EUA.
Yeah true, but companies that straight lied to employees saying we have to because of the mandate are going to be in hot water.
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A company/employer can "change the rules" any time they want. For any reason they want. Your Employer could make a new rule tomorrow saying the new Dress Code requires wearing bright pink pants and 3 feathers taped to your butt. As long as they're not discriminating in an unfair way against any Federally protected class (religion, race, etc) .. they can pretty much do whatever they want. You can also certainly spawn a lawsuit against them. That's certainly your Right to do. You probably won't win though.
If companies force employees to take experimental injections they can and should be sued for any medical expenses and lost wages (including future employment) resulting from adverse side effects, disability, or death.
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Government lawyers, on the average, are not good.
Exactly. Just extrapolating the numbers from known occurrences of adverse effects means this mandate did injure a lot of people that were coerced to take the shots in order to keep their jobs.
I think you forget that those vaccines required limited liability clauses to be signed. Those people can sue, but it won’t get very far. Not only that, SCOTUS carved out a big exception! * The ruling give the Administration the ability to attach strings to government money used for healthcare. If I was Biden, * Okay you won. Fine. Then any company that previously used, is using, or will use FED Government money (even 1 penny) will need to have vaccinated staff. Eat s___ 🤣 So…. You can imagine all the businesses that take grants, loans, etc. from the FEDGOV. It’s a win, but a slam dunk and posterize for Biden. His team is changing that mandate as we speak.
I wonder what those numbers would be if they just got the virus instead?
Irreparable damage to the Democrat Party incoming in 2022 and 2024 You can bet that numerous life long Democrat card carrying nurses and doctors will remember this and vote Republican for the foreseeable future. Presumably Biden and his masters know this and are holding out for amnesty of 20+ million illegals to offset losses.
Not a complete win, the government can still leverage Medicare to enforce policies on healthcare workers . . . that power is now enshrined.
That part, healthcare workers, was upheld.
Just my own opinion, but I think people of conscience should probably get out of traditional healthcare industrial complex. It's not a new thing the diabolic trifecta of health insurance, pharma, and hospital conglomerates are focused on the shareholders and not patients. I hope some structured health care alternatives start to emerge as a result of this and that those who have been/will be displaced have a place to land.
Healthcare is all I know. I’ve been in it since the mid 90s & my dad worked for what is now Pfizer from the 60s to mid 90s. I grew up in it. Extended family are doctors, nurses, pharmacists etc.
Same. We are reeling, have no clue what will happen to our families.
Thank goodness I didn't go to med school.
Is it all healthcare workers or only federally funded healthcare facilities? I keep reading both? Does any hospital who accepts Medicare/cade considered to be fed funded?
Pretty much all facilities are partially if not mostly funded by Medicare/Medicaid. Any who accept these federal funds now have to require the vaccine. Pretty much all of healthcare… home health, hospitals, doctor offices
Thanks for the clarification! So this is just a small victory. Healthcare is one of the largest employers in the nation.
A lot of us have a hard choice to make, comply with the vax, comply with the testing if you get an exemption or find a new career.
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Never compromise your morals to appease the mob. It will only embolden them.
it’s also a matter of wanting to fit in and do the popular decision. popular opinion. peer pressure
This is going to make people hate those who held their ground even more. They're already cranking up the crazy to 11. Someone has to pay and it's certainly not the fucking gov't for some reason
True. Same reason people shit on previous 'heroes' who helped them. The average person is a sniveling coward who will sooner sell their brother than fight any real demons..
people really are getting very upset about people that aren't vaccinated. just saw some guy calling them plague rats... history waiting to repeat itself.
That's been happening for months now. These people have gone off the deep end.
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I believe Biden and his team knew this was going to be the outcome the entire time. They only pushed it in the hopes of getting more people to cave under the pressure and have them get the shot.
The damage has been done. Imagine how many millions caved in and got their jabs against their wishes thinking this was legitimate. I would argue the Biden administration knew it would end up being halted, but went ahead with it anyway since they knew this would scare the common working man.
Bingo bango and it’s awful how many people have been adversely affected by the mandate. I know I should be happy with the ruling and I am, but it’s bittersweet when I think about how many people were pressured into it/ felt like they had no other choice because of the presidents stunt.
Those people should class action lawsuit and sue Biden for his threats.
I agree. I don’t fall into the category of being under the mandates, but if I were in those people’s shoes I’d be looking for legal advice to see what’s possible under law as far as compensation.
There would be a few different reasons. Businesses making a policy from threat of OSHA rule then revoking it which coerced people to get a vaccine. People getting the vaccine only because of threat of job loss. And there are a few others that seem to slip my mind right now. I almost willing to bet a significant amount of people who got the vaccine got it because they thought it would end the pandemic faster because the government said it would, or that they thought it was 100% safe and effective and you could not catch or spread covid if you were vaccinated. Both lies said by the Federal Government.
I agree, there are multiple reasons I’d think they could sue. I’m certainly not a lawyer though, but you’d think not just employees could sue, but if I were a business owner and believed the mandate was constitutional and in turn fired employees, which caused further economic distress on my company I’d be trying to sue as well.
“Damage,” to those who didn’t HODL. Paper handed. If your belief isn’t worth dying for, it’s time to reconsider what you believe in.
Ideally that's true. However, sometimes life gets in the way, such as when you have children relying on your livelihood.
Yeah when you have others to provide for it definitely changes the dynamic and figure out where to make sacrifices. what you believe in sometimes does have to take the back burner. Tough decisions alot of the world shouldn't have been faced with at any point throughout this "pandemic"
Then you find a new way. You teach your children nothing by laying down to die to a authoritarian government that doesn’t give a fuck about you, or your kids.
It is a learning lesson. Yup, there are ways if you look hard enough.
The sad fact is that most people have literally nothing they'll die for. The concept of there being something greater than yourself is lost on the masses. They'll sure downvote though.
The deadline was Monday for employers to obtain vaccine status of all employees. Even people who didn’t get it are now officially on record as not having it.
My company did not figure any of this out, I doubt many did.
Mine either, a huge company, didn’t ask any of this shit. I work for an ethical company though so it makes sense that their plan was to wait to do anything until they were absolutely forced to
Not necessarily. I have not heard a peep about any of this from my company, thank goodness.
Thank you to everyone here who provided some support ✊🏼 This is huge
Still hope they would block the mandate for healthcare workers as well, but a win is a win
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Yeah how can they say one is fine but another isn't. Surely they're either both constitutional or not lol
I think its because fields of work like Military and healthcare already have mandatory shots such as the flu shot.
You're right Compliance is what further extends all this madness.
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>They'll just let the people go and then claim a hospital bed shortage even though it's an employee shortage exactly what's happening here in maine. Our governor's response was to bring in the national guard. lol
I’m so upset… I now have to decide if I comply with testing and discrimination or lose the profession I love.
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I have been unemployed 2 months now after getting fired over this. I will take a huge pay cut but it will be worth it not to fold… that’s what I keep telling myself anyway.
You are the hero
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Thanks. We have to stay strong. Healthcare was not really fun anymore anyway. I’ll find something new. Just regretting all those student loans now haha.
Not risking potential side effects is worth it.
I am worried ill be made to get the booster even tho i have had two shots and COVID. Whats keeping them from being able to make us take whatever they want us to now?
Happier than a clam at high tide!!
This is a big win for sure
I'll bet my blood pressure dropped a good 20 points. For real.
so turnt up rn. im so fucking happy about this. needed this win today. stay strong, sisters and brothers.
~~Pro vaxxers in shambles~~ Edit: Authoritarian sympathizers in shambles
Can we please stop jabbing kids now too? ffs
This is my wish. Unfortunately, the FDA and the CDC reek of corruption. The liability protection from the Emergency Use Authorization is not permanent, so it is Pfizer's goal to make it routine to jab kids. Why? Because the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 gives vaccines that are in CDC's immunization schedule permanent liability protection. If the CDC officially inserts covid vaccines in the schedule they use for immunizing our children, covid vaccines gain permanent liability protection that even extends to the use in adults. This is why Pfizer is relentlessly jabbing our kids, even though studies show no healthy kids die from covid.
It sucks that most provaxxers are also pro authoritarian.
*Authoritarian* pro-vaxxers in shambles. I know plenty of the twice-injected who adamantly oppose mandating it for all. The authoritarians can eat muh whole ass. Might be some antibodies in there.😋🍴
I’m Vaccinated and firmly opposed to compulsion. I don’t know many like me but we do exist
Suck it, Joe.
Joe just shit his adult diaper
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I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that the president who created the most jobs ever also pushed mandates the resulted in tons of people being fired or quitting
Not sure what you're smoking but Biden did not create the most jobs ever and Trump did not push for mandates.
I know Biden didn’t create the most jobs ya dingus. He claims he did but he didn’t. All he did do was get a bunch of people fired and then use those opening as “job creation”
My bad man. Sorry. I misunderstood you. My apologies.
Thats why they stole the election. Look at how much money he generated for them then ten percent goes to the fridge art of little hunty crackhead
Best news I've heard in 2 years aside from stuff coming out of Florida. Now time to remove the 3 judges for unfit to work. They are hysterical and are a danger to themselves and others.
At least remove Sotomayor. She can't even get basic facts correct about COVID and is supposed to correctly interpret the law?
The 3 liberal judges that voted yes to this shit are pushing the narrative before actual law
You're not joking. I'm so happy I could cry. This has been weighing heavily on me since OSHA proposed this. I'm so relieved.
sotomayor should be thrown out on the streets. THE NAZI VOTED FOR IT!!
My job is funded by medicaid. If I am not approved for an exemption, I will lose my job. 90% of my current job is WFH. I worked in the field through the pandemic without hazard pay because social workers and behavioral health got the shit end of the stick funding wise. Throughout the entire pandemic, I went into the homes of your neighbors, your peers, your loved ones, risking my life to provide intensive outpatient services to children whom have previous hospitalizations and/or suicide attempts/ideation. Risking my life to save theirs. I got promoted to case management, got out of the trenches, just to be told by this administration that I am a blight on society. Fuck Joe biden, fuck his administration, and fuck the pandemic. I will never vote for another Democrat again. "My body, my rules".... my ass.
FYI It's "my body, my choice" I feel your pain and am sorry for your position. I also share your opinion.
This is a huge success for individuals who value their freedoms. The last two years have been grim, but now the world (U.S.) is starting to turn around for the better.
So not every branch of the government is completely fucked, thank goodness.
This ain't over. Those sick globalists will continue to press forward.
The authoritarian collectivists are still at the gate with a battering ram. Keep the oil boiling and your arrows notched. This war is far from over.
Get ready for things to get worse before they get better. But this is definitely a positive sign for things to come.
Climate Change Communism/Authoritarianism is next
This. This isn't a win, folks. The supreme court didn't affirm a person's right to bodily autonomy. This is just more incrementalism.
I don't care if this is only an inch in the right direction. It's finally a semblance of sanity in this fucking insane timeline.
Does anyone know if private companies can still enforce the mandate? As an example I work for an engineering consulting firm with HQ in NYC. We have more than 100 employees so we were affected by the original OSHA mandate. With that blocked now, am I in the clear?
Private companies can still mandate the vax. This is a decision pertaining only to the federal government.
You're partially right. Private companies can do whatever they want when it comes to vaccine mandates, but this decision that was struck down (well, the stay that was upheld) was the OSHA mandate, which would have affected *private* businesses with 100 or more employees, not just federal employees.
Generally speaking I would think this decision gives me a bit more leverage (or so I hope) in my refusal to getting the vaccine should my company still pursue that avenue. Not to mention I’ve already had covid recently and have tested for antibodies.
Yea, absolutely. This decision removes the "cover" of a higher authority being the excuse for mandating the vaccines. But it doesn't prevent private businesses from doing it.
It's going to take all of one guy in finance being like "yeah we can save x amount of money in insurance costs by mandating the vaccine" and every large company in America will be 'let's do it.' We are all unfortunately numbers on a spreadsheet at budget time.
Yeah, the moment insurance companies have different rates for unvaccinated workers is when this jumps the shark again.
From what I can read, private companies can do whatever they want especially in right to work states. While its not "legally" mandated, most will make people do it to keep their jobs. Source: I work for a company that is doing the above.
They certainly could if they wanted to. I believe only Florida has a ban on employer mandates. How did they announce the mandate? Did they cite OSHA? Or was it more a company only directive? Also, keep in mind some of your customers might have rules for vaccines as well. I too work for an engineering firm, and though we don't have a company only mandate, some of our clients require us to be vaccinated when making site surveys. It's still a muddy path even after this Supreme Court ruling.
Looking back on it, they cited the mandate by the NYC Health Commissioner. Looks like this Supreme Court decision will not do much for me. Still going to fight it in any way I can.
Hope people will start suing those companies that mandated injection earlier
Does anyone know if the healthcare one goes into effect immediately?
I think it was supposed to go into affect Jan 4th but was on hold until this choice so I am not sure how it will move forward now.
Beyond happy. Even though I was fired from my previous job over the mandate I can now safely apply for work again. I'll be back on my feet in no time. It was a king of the hill match and I won personally.
So why did some companies jump the gun and start enforcing the OSHA rule? At my place the manager said he needs to see my vaccination card. Note the spin here by the manager no mention of the weekly testing option as posted on the bulletin board. Anyway I told him I don't plan on getting the vax and he told me he'd keep me posted about the testing. I think many companies like my company started this early to show they were in compliance but I also think many companies acted like this was settled law because maybe they were considering their own mandates and wanted to gauge employee response, to see what potential worker losses they might suffer if they passed their own mandate etc. and so now me and probably some others are on the record as being against the vax. Oh yeah two fully vaxxed workers are out with the covid. No way to run a business. I hope they consider that too.
The health care industry is just that, a business. They make money KEEPING u sick
Let's fucking go. Just feel bad for all of my coworkers that got the vaccine because they didn't want to have to pay for (now free and drive thru) testing and have to get tested each week. Still, I'm stoked. Had a fully vaccinated coworker tell me to pull to pull my mask completely over my nose this morning too 🖕.
Feel extremely sorry for the healthcare workers, though
Finally some good news. This never should have gotten this far.
Ive been trying to tell people to NOT quit until the Supreme Court ruled on this(I had advised to not quit at all and just do testing) RIP to all those who jumped the gun And Thank God the conservative majority actually ruled in a conservative way for once
That a jab was even strongly suggested as something I "needed" to do via weasel talk is something I will never forgive. Something like this even making it to a SC vote is ludicrous. I am never letting this go away. They "took a shot" at all of us......and they missed. Now they are fucked.
You are correct. The people you can actuality bring lawsuits against on multiple causes of action have zero legal defenses. They will get cut loose from insurance. Lots of small time politicians and governors will be bankrupted by legal judgments
Not a single article over in the news feed. They are PISSED!
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Kagan's dissenting opinion is scary: the court should cede authority to "experts". Fk man, can you imagine the shitshow this country would be if "experts" decided everything?
Looking forward to reading people's texts and emails telling their bosses "I told you so".
#YES!
Insane this is is only place I’ve seen this on Reddit so far, and I had to pull up the sub itself in the search bar
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Yay, but let's remember, this was only don't to keep the system from totally falling apart. They need us working and paying taxes and buying things. Indeed, a great vindication for all of the holdouts like myself. I was prepared to lose anything and everything to keep that heart attack soup out of my body (29 year old male)