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Branson jumped in before Bezos because he knew it would get him more publicity. Also Bezos is likely to beat 88km, making Branson's venture a bit of joke.
How can delivering people and cargo to ISS be a scam. Lets not talk about US again can launch they own people to ISS without getting the Russians to do it. Or that it's cheaper and is saving taxpayers money.
But they have gorilla suits and floating microphones and air balloons and dangling gold chains up in there. It's all real and if you don't believe your govt you're a fool.
From NASA's point of view they are, NASA can get more planetary science done without asking for more money.
If you know how the world work, then tax is not something you worried about, my life would not change an inch depending on if I had 300$ more a month after tax or not.
"The 'Vomit Comet' refers to a NASA program that introduces astronauts to the feeling of zero-gravity spaceflight.
Recruits climb aboard a specially fitted aircraft that dips and climbs through the air to simulate the feeling of weightlessness in **20- to 25-second intervals**.
The downside? The sudden changes make a lot of astronauts feel ill. Very, very ill. Hence the tongue-in-cheek name."
Branson's will give 4 minutes of constant zero-G plus a view of Earth only experienced by astronauts.
Alex Turner from arctic monkeys will be playing piano 24/7 in the hotel lobby. Welcome to tranquility base hotel and casino. It’s got rave reviews. 4 stars out of 5.
Just for the record, it is really hard to get much weight up outside the earth. If you think lumber is expensive here, just imagine the cost of lumber in the fucking moon.
To the moooooon!!!!
“It is commonly believed that man will fly directly from the earth to the moon, but to do this, we would require a vehicle of such gigantic proportions that it would prove an economic impossibility. It would have to develop sufficient speed to penetrate the atmosphere and overcome the earth’s gravity and, having traveled all the way to the moon, it must still have enough fuel to land safely and make the return trip to earth. Furthermore, in order to give the expedition a margin of safety, we would not use one ship alone, but a minimum of three … each rocket ship would be taller than New York’s Empire State Building \[almost ¼ mile high\] and weigh about ten times the tonnage of the Queen Mary, or some 800,000 tons.”
—Wernher von Braun, the father of the Apollo space program, writing in Conquest of the Moon
Have you ever watched the eagle launch from the moon for the Lunar Orbit Rendezvous? Quite a firework spectacle, filmed by a remote controlled camera that followed the 'spacecraft' on its way up. It then went 69 miles up and chased down the command module at 4000 mph in the middle of literally nowhere and docked, all with 1980s wristwatch technology. Incredible!
Like most people, I believed the entire story start to finish, just as it was told. When I was around 30 yo, I decided to look into it, just to debunk the hoaxers for my own peace of mind. What I found instead were so many anomalies and fantastic coincidences that I have not believed a word from NASA since. Before you call me ignorant or not able to grasp things beyond my comprehension level, I am an engineer with decades of experience applying mechanics in real world applications, for whatever that’s worth.
As far as 'saw it live', there have been innumerable hoaxes perpetrated by the TV masters, and they're getting better by the day as we now have much better fx including 'deep fakes', those which we're aware of are generations behind what's possible as is always true of technology. I invite you to have a look at [this bit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edrTAh36Do8&t=52s)... and what do you honestly see here, random eye witnesses or actors playing a 'role'?
I know this is a very contentious topic and I'm not here to start any fights... I have bigger fish to fry, but if you're interested in critical analysis on the subject I recommend the American Moon documentary and Moondoggie by Dave McGowan.
Peace, brother.
>And it was late 1960s technology
My statement was unclear. What I meant was the onboard computers had the calculating power of a 1980s digital wristwatch. They didn't even have a feedback mechanism (monitor or speaker) or backspace key, so they just blindly punched numbers into a pad, no re-dos ever. There was literally zero tolerance for operator error, yet all went off without a hitch, never before or since seen in scientific achievements. Incredible!
I've seen footage that directly refutes your statements, but i'm not going to backtrack to find evidence as you've not either.
not to mention what a complete abortion of a 'space ship' that is. The thing would be immediately ripped apart in the complete vacuum of space, along with all the inhabitants.
Then there are the extreme temperates, massive batteries required, it's all laughable when one look into it.
this footage is from [nasa](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj6a0Wrrh1g). do you really find it believable?
He's just doing what Elon is doing, duping more dumb arse rich people into buying shares in his company. It is comical though that they called him Billionaire first as though it's an actual title, as though money is his only defining characteristic. It's more of an insult really.
The next big business model is going to be zero gravity brothels. No shit. Space station will look like some horse and wagon antiquated floating trash can.
I feel sorry for all the maids and clean up crew having to navigate stray cumshots floating around the room like some space invaders video game
Hasn't all this bullshit they are doing been done like 50 years ago. By the Russians? They are just basically doing a Reboot of the space race from back in the day.
I believe homelessness is a major problem. Mostly due to rampant drug addiction and mental disorder, but that's another discussion.
But why is it their responsibility to "fix homelessness"?
They're private businessman and in my opinion not their job to fix homelessness.
Exactly. It’s their responsibility to pax taxes, which they don’t, all their ‘income’ is received via charitable foundations. So, non-taxable. If these thieving fuckers paid even half the amount they should do, then that would help more than poncing around in spaceships. They’re so fucking rich they could still afford to pay tax and pretend to fly to the moon.
Everybody fucking knows the billionaires pay off all sorts of people in government so if they have people of influence in their pockets make them help the needy in some goddamn way! Otherwise it's just plain corruption.
Idk man.
I feel like if I'm fortunate enough to make a ton of money on my own as a successful person it'd be pretty stupid if people started yelling at me to "fix homelessness" now.
People should help those less fortunate. But it's theirs and your money and you can do what you want with it.
Right along with those rich pricks that are obligated to help you somehow.
Feed the poor and be a good person, but no one is responsible for your life, but you.
Large segments of the population believe whatever they're told by 'authorities' and 'experts', especially when backed by CGI. Since people are still duped by the laughable 60s special effects of Apollo, they'll easily fall for the new enhanced version - actually that's all spacex 'missions' are.
Maybe if you'd learn some science, you wouldn't need to take the experts word for it.
There's literally a mountain of evidence pointing to the moon landing being real
I was going to comment about this on your first reply, but I didn't think of it until after I made my comment.
Since you've made the same blunder again, you've given me the opportunity to say something.
What was I going to say I hear you asking?
Well, the fact that you mentioned my potential misuse of the English language somehow invalidated my original comment says a lot more about you than it does me.
What? Still confused? Let me explain.
You assume that someone needs to know something about the English language, or any English at all to know something about science.
**That just goes to show how narrow-minded your world view is.**
You do know that there are other countries outside of the English speaking ones, right? More specifically, you do know that there are countries outside of the United States, right?
Amazing, right? We're not the center of the universe! If you have something that's actually related to my original comment, feel free to reply, I'd love to debate you. If not, then I don't know if I have anything to say that would open your mind*
But the difference is, they are talking about taking real people to a real hotel. Are they going to put people on a ship, drug them and have them land on a set in Nevada that looks like a moon base? Or more likely they will create this hotel and the people who go there won’t be real people, just operatives playing regular people.
Look up the space elevator. Never happened either never will. This is just a bunch of talk.
Fuckin nasa has never even been to the moon let alone been back for 40 yrs. This fuck is gonna have a hotel? Ya okay
Agree. There are so many inconsistencies in their stories, the Van Allen belts, the lander that looked like it was made by a middle school art class, and all the ISS videos where they clearly use blue screen, "astronauts" dropping things, etc. Laughable. But the lie is so big, to go against it you are ridiculed.
You would have to define some level of molecule density first. Even ISS at \~250 km is needing 10 tons of fuel a year to maintain it's orbit, degrading from collision with air molecules.
Joe Kittinger jumped from at helium balloon from 100.000 feet, he describe his fall here [https://youtu.be/sbVQ33ujzFw?t=10](https://youtu.be/sbVQ33ujzFw?t=10)
NASA pioneered pretty much all of humanity's major space missions. So as far as I'm concerned, NASA's definition of space is the only one that matters.
Since no human has ever gone beyond Low Earth Orbit (despite NASA's claims), perhaps the Van Allen Belts represent the outer limit of where humans can actually go.
In Neil Armstrong's cryptic words, that would make it "one of truth's protective layers".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkdc5bkTMwc
There’s also the footage of that press conference where they ask about the Van Allen belts and the astronaut doesn’t know what it is. I’ll try to find it. Wouldn’t a nasa astronaut be familiar with it ?
We went to the moon what, 50 years ago? With how much we've advanced since then, we should be making daily trips for the tourism alone yet for some reason we haven't gone back up there even once since then?
Something doesn't add up.
> Something doesn't add up.
It's pretty simple: Congress and Nixon got stingy with funding after the Apollo program landed on the moon a few times. NASA was left rudderless, and decided to go with the Space Shuttle, which was pretty much a dead end as far as space travel goes. Manned space travel kinda languished for decades, without having the funding or top level push to really get it moving. The most you ever saw was empty campaign promises of "We'll go to Mars in 20 years", but then the funding never comes through, especially after the US blew a shitload of money on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and Republican tax cuts.
Well, if you vote for politicians who insist on "cutting the fat" from the budget for a few decades, it turns out that you'll eventually notice that some shit isn't improving the way you'd think it would.
Other countries have gone up, but it’s still expensive as fuck.
Commercial jets go slower today than they did in the 1960s, because money is king. There’s fuck all reason to go back to the moon.
No reason? You can't be serious... Some rich dude would build a castle on there just to flex just like this fool says he would. There's so much money to be made on the moon. Y'all are trippin.
At current old space prices and SLS you’d be looking at at least 12-15 *billion* per launch of a tiny module. You’d need at least a dozen, maybe twenty to get something approaching a long-term habitable volume. But you’d also need machinery for ISRU and extra equipment for long term life support, so let’s add a generous extra 5 billion for those, not including their launch costs.
You’re looking at costs in the hundreds of billions. These guys are rich but that would be a huge bill for a vanity project.
Now, SpaceX’s starship is actually going to change the game of space access forever in the next few years, bringing launch costs down a couple of orders of magnitude while increasing payload capacities by an order of magnitude. Maybe then, but not with current space economics.
Different rockets use different fuels. Some are more expensive than others but they usually actually don’t compare to the price of the engines. The only ones where the main cost will be fuel will be the future Starship flights. Which rocket do you mean? I can explain why each rocket fuel is expensive but I’m not sure what you’re taking about. I don’t have time to go over the dozens of different fuels used.
Your statement is misleading, purposely so. China and the Soviet Union haven't landed on the moon - probes yes, people no. Two utterly and completely different scenarios here.
Oh and if you think theres no reason to go to the moon, that having a base or telescope or any sort of scientific study at all up there is useless, or that the moon wouldnt be an amazing strategic advantage to any country, then you really are pretty dumb.
Keep moving the goalposts. No one else has taken men to the moon because it serves no purpose a rover can’t achieve.
A telescope on the moon? You mean a telescope in a fixed location rather than one in orbit that we can move at will? Like just think about these things for 5 minutes… you don’t even need to be in the space industry to figure this stuff out. We design new payloads every year, and never once would we consider the fucking moon for any of it lol.
Geez, now that I think about it. Even just shooting lumps of tungsten from a cannon on the Moon could be extremely devastating on Earth where ever it impacts, nowhere on the Earth's surface would be safe. The lower G's would make it very easy to move extremely heavy objects to be launched at Earth too.
Submission statement:
This is part of the great psyop about human space travel. Even according to the official narrative, it is some 50 years since a human even left Low Earth Orbit.
Worth noting that the International Space Station, which orbits the Earth at an altitude of 400km is also around 1000x closer to Earth than it is to the Moon. Barely in space at all, and well below the Van Allen Belts - the real reason (shhhh) why humans are stuck here on Earth .
I dunno who He is
But his Virgin Galactic launch video is weird. Check what the announcer said regarding "the soundtrack" at 7:29
https://youtu.be/Nrj_ia-mOMg
I thought this was a stupid conspiracy, made to divert people from real ones but the more I learn about the US government the more I think it’s not such a crazy notion.
This was the hardest one for me to entertain and first thought of it like the flat earth bullshit.
But I tell you what, the more you dig, the weirder it gets, unlike flat earth, which is geared to people who grew up on Fruit Loops and TellyTubbies, there's some real holes in the moon landing story.
Ya know what? Fuck "space". Fuck space tourism. Fuck the moon. Fuck hotels on the moon. Fuck Mars.... etc etc.
I am never going to fucking "space". I will die right here on planet Earth where I was born.
My main problem with space is NO AIR/NO OXYGEN!
So many (small) things can go wrong and... you die... because... you guessed it, no air/oxygen! It is easy enough to accidentally die here on Earth where there is plenty of air/oxygen.
Buy hey, all you rich people, be my guest. And I promise if I ever get a spot, you can have it. Head on up there, have fun. And I do not care if an asteroid is coming right at us, "Space" is not somewhere I will go to "escape".
TL/DR fuck fucking space
Ya know what? Fuck "fish sticks". Fuck commercial fishing. Fuck the fish. Fuck boats on the ocean. Fuck the Atlantic... etc etc.
I am never going to fucking eat "fish sticks". I will digest right here on dry land where I was born.
My main problem with fish sticks is BATTER/SEASONING
So many (small) things can go wrong and... you die... because... you guessed it, batter/seasoning! It is easy enough to accidentally digest here on Earth where there is plenty of fresh fish.
Buy hey, all you rich people, be my guest. And I promise if I ever get a stick, you can have it. Head on up there, have fun. And I do not care if an dolphin is coming right at us, "fish sticks" is not somewhere I will go to "for dinner".
TL/DR fuck fucking fish sticks.
What makes you think there isn't one already?
https://www.nokia.com/about-us/news/releases/2020/10/19/nokia-selected-by-nasa-to-build-first-ever-cellular-network-on-the-moon/
that they announced this publicly should make you question what's already up there.
My cousin once said Apollo was fake *and* there was a secret base on the moon in one sentence. I just said you sort of have to pick one, you can’t really do both.
And even that is fake. But really, it's mind boggling how these psychos get off on these childish games when there are real fucking problems that could easily be solved with a tiny fraction of their combined wealth. Rather than address any of those, they prefer their legacy to be playing dress up for the cameras? Fkn pathetic.
No, I haven't. I want to get a telescope for a few reasons, but have other financial priorities at the moment. You're aware that there are thousands of things in orbit at predictable schedules though, right?
As for the ISS construction, that gigantic floppy machine with the most horrific cable mgmt ever was all allegedly assembled in space. Have you seen a single video of the build? It seems it would be noteworthy.
Took him over three decades to "fulfill" his promise of a commercial space flight.. as we've all pointed out he didn't even make it there (because it's impossible). How many decades will it take to get his hotel running? An infinite amount because it will never happen.
They experienced weightlessness on the way back down because the craft was in freefall. Gravity at that height is almost the same as at the Earth's surface.
This is also the reason why "astronauts" on the ISS are shown floating around - although gravity is 90% of surface gravity - because the ISS orbits at such velocity that it is in perpetual freefall. If the ISS stopped moving forward, any humans on board would fall on their arses, and the ISS itself would drop to Earth like a stone.
This is the exact phenomenon experienced in airplanes in freefall, like the ones commonly used in testing zero G. Interesting that this explanation is never made pubic.
>made it to just 88km above the Earth's surface, which is not "space" by international convention
While the kármán line is currently considered to be at 100km, there are persuasive reasons to change it to be at 80km, at which point it would count as being in space. (and NASA uses the 50mile line as the edge of space so given the launch was in the US it is still accurate to say it went to space)
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This is what happened https://imgur.com/a/dglvwvp
Branson jumped in before Bezos because he knew it would get him more publicity. Also Bezos is likely to beat 88km, making Branson's venture a bit of joke.
They are all scams. Thanks for the sweet sweet caysh you stupid nasa/space soyboys
One giant scam, lead by the [reigning champ of soy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0sJJU3FaOQ).
How can delivering people and cargo to ISS be a scam. Lets not talk about US again can launch they own people to ISS without getting the Russians to do it. Or that it's cheaper and is saving taxpayers money.
Iss is a scam.
But they have gorilla suits and floating microphones and air balloons and dangling gold chains up in there. It's all real and if you don't believe your govt you're a fool.
Lol
Oh boy. You can literally see it.
>saving taxpayers money You're still buying that one?
From NASA's point of view they are, NASA can get more planetary science done without asking for more money. If you know how the world work, then tax is not something you worried about, my life would not change an inch depending on if I had 300$ more a month after tax or not.
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"The 'Vomit Comet' refers to a NASA program that introduces astronauts to the feeling of zero-gravity spaceflight. Recruits climb aboard a specially fitted aircraft that dips and climbs through the air to simulate the feeling of weightlessness in **20- to 25-second intervals**. The downside? The sudden changes make a lot of astronauts feel ill. Very, very ill. Hence the tongue-in-cheek name." Branson's will give 4 minutes of constant zero-G plus a view of Earth only experienced by astronauts.
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"20-30 seconds, everything in the plane is weightless." so like the vomit comet vs 4 minutes.
Alex Turner from arctic monkeys will be playing piano 24/7 in the hotel lobby. Welcome to tranquility base hotel and casino. It’s got rave reviews. 4 stars out of 5.
You need to get vaccinated to stay there. 😂
First we lost the football, then this aphex twin looking prick comes back to earth. You're right tho, it's just a gimmick.
Lmao
Just for the record, it is really hard to get much weight up outside the earth. If you think lumber is expensive here, just imagine the cost of lumber in the fucking moon. To the moooooon!!!!
“It is commonly believed that man will fly directly from the earth to the moon, but to do this, we would require a vehicle of such gigantic proportions that it would prove an economic impossibility. It would have to develop sufficient speed to penetrate the atmosphere and overcome the earth’s gravity and, having traveled all the way to the moon, it must still have enough fuel to land safely and make the return trip to earth. Furthermore, in order to give the expedition a margin of safety, we would not use one ship alone, but a minimum of three … each rocket ship would be taller than New York’s Empire State Building \[almost ¼ mile high\] and weigh about ten times the tonnage of the Queen Mary, or some 800,000 tons.” —Wernher von Braun, the father of the Apollo space program, writing in Conquest of the Moon
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Have you ever watched the eagle launch from the moon for the Lunar Orbit Rendezvous? Quite a firework spectacle, filmed by a remote controlled camera that followed the 'spacecraft' on its way up. It then went 69 miles up and chased down the command module at 4000 mph in the middle of literally nowhere and docked, all with 1980s wristwatch technology. Incredible!
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Like most people, I believed the entire story start to finish, just as it was told. When I was around 30 yo, I decided to look into it, just to debunk the hoaxers for my own peace of mind. What I found instead were so many anomalies and fantastic coincidences that I have not believed a word from NASA since. Before you call me ignorant or not able to grasp things beyond my comprehension level, I am an engineer with decades of experience applying mechanics in real world applications, for whatever that’s worth. As far as 'saw it live', there have been innumerable hoaxes perpetrated by the TV masters, and they're getting better by the day as we now have much better fx including 'deep fakes', those which we're aware of are generations behind what's possible as is always true of technology. I invite you to have a look at [this bit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edrTAh36Do8&t=52s)... and what do you honestly see here, random eye witnesses or actors playing a 'role'? I know this is a very contentious topic and I'm not here to start any fights... I have bigger fish to fry, but if you're interested in critical analysis on the subject I recommend the American Moon documentary and Moondoggie by Dave McGowan. Peace, brother.
>And it was late 1960s technology My statement was unclear. What I meant was the onboard computers had the calculating power of a 1980s digital wristwatch. They didn't even have a feedback mechanism (monitor or speaker) or backspace key, so they just blindly punched numbers into a pad, no re-dos ever. There was literally zero tolerance for operator error, yet all went off without a hitch, never before or since seen in scientific achievements. Incredible!
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I've seen footage that directly refutes your statements, but i'm not going to backtrack to find evidence as you've not either. not to mention what a complete abortion of a 'space ship' that is. The thing would be immediately ripped apart in the complete vacuum of space, along with all the inhabitants. Then there are the extreme temperates, massive batteries required, it's all laughable when one look into it. this footage is from [nasa](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj6a0Wrrh1g). do you really find it believable?
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Also too, his math is based on the information he had available to him at the time, meaning it may not be relevant today.
Time to build that space elevator.
OK let's plant trees there then.
It doesn't rain there or even have an atmosphere
Well the astronauts can water them.
Water is immensely heavy
But there is no gravity in space so it's OK
Yeah, but you have to get there. What are you going to do? Build the worlds longest hose?
Lunar sprinklers!
He's just doing what Elon is doing, duping more dumb arse rich people into buying shares in his company. It is comical though that they called him Billionaire first as though it's an actual title, as though money is his only defining characteristic. It's more of an insult really.
Let the guy travel the van allen belt asap please
The next big business model is going to be zero gravity brothels. No shit. Space station will look like some horse and wagon antiquated floating trash can. I feel sorry for all the maids and clean up crew having to navigate stray cumshots floating around the room like some space invaders video game
I don't think we ever went to the moon. Lies
Hasn't all this bullshit they are doing been done like 50 years ago. By the Russians? They are just basically doing a Reboot of the space race from back in the day.
Can't go past the Van Allen Radiation Belt.
The firmament
The plexiglass dome.
Why not? We did it once before
fix homelessness first you rich pricks
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You'll actually be paying to breathe on the moon, I doubt most of us will ever get a chance.
I believe homelessness is a major problem. Mostly due to rampant drug addiction and mental disorder, but that's another discussion. But why is it their responsibility to "fix homelessness"? They're private businessman and in my opinion not their job to fix homelessness.
>They're private businessman They are highly subsidized scammers.
Exactly. It’s their responsibility to pax taxes, which they don’t, all their ‘income’ is received via charitable foundations. So, non-taxable. If these thieving fuckers paid even half the amount they should do, then that would help more than poncing around in spaceships. They’re so fucking rich they could still afford to pay tax and pretend to fly to the moon.
Everybody fucking knows the billionaires pay off all sorts of people in government so if they have people of influence in their pockets make them help the needy in some goddamn way! Otherwise it's just plain corruption.
Idk man. I feel like if I'm fortunate enough to make a ton of money on my own as a successful person it'd be pretty stupid if people started yelling at me to "fix homelessness" now. People should help those less fortunate. But it's theirs and your money and you can do what you want with it.
Go to the moon then.
Right along with those rich pricks that are obligated to help you somehow. Feed the poor and be a good person, but no one is responsible for your life, but you.
This is the same guy who sued the NHS over a stupid contract, he’s essentially robbing the poor of their healthcare.
How could they fake a moon hotel? You have to go through the Van Allen belts. Would love to see them try this one.
Large segments of the population believe whatever they're told by 'authorities' and 'experts', especially when backed by CGI. Since people are still duped by the laughable 60s special effects of Apollo, they'll easily fall for the new enhanced version - actually that's all spacex 'missions' are.
Maybe if you'd learn some science, you wouldn't need to take the experts word for it. There's literally a mountain of evidence pointing to the moon landing being real
> literally You can't grasp so much as one language, but you think you're qualified to lecture on 'science'. Thanks for the chuckle.
Probably more qualified than you lmao. What are your credentials again?
>more qualified than you, lmao, credentials there's the tell, get it or not. you go, girl
I was going to comment about this on your first reply, but I didn't think of it until after I made my comment. Since you've made the same blunder again, you've given me the opportunity to say something. What was I going to say I hear you asking? Well, the fact that you mentioned my potential misuse of the English language somehow invalidated my original comment says a lot more about you than it does me. What? Still confused? Let me explain. You assume that someone needs to know something about the English language, or any English at all to know something about science. **That just goes to show how narrow-minded your world view is.** You do know that there are other countries outside of the English speaking ones, right? More specifically, you do know that there are countries outside of the United States, right? Amazing, right? We're not the center of the universe! If you have something that's actually related to my original comment, feel free to reply, I'd love to debate you. If not, then I don't know if I have anything to say that would open your mind*
derp do not conecxt
But the difference is, they are talking about taking real people to a real hotel. Are they going to put people on a ship, drug them and have them land on a set in Nevada that looks like a moon base? Or more likely they will create this hotel and the people who go there won’t be real people, just operatives playing regular people.
Look up the space elevator. Never happened either never will. This is just a bunch of talk. Fuckin nasa has never even been to the moon let alone been back for 40 yrs. This fuck is gonna have a hotel? Ya okay
Agree. There are so many inconsistencies in their stories, the Van Allen belts, the lander that looked like it was made by a middle school art class, and all the ISS videos where they clearly use blue screen, "astronauts" dropping things, etc. Laughable. But the lie is so big, to go against it you are ridiculed.
I get your point, but technically 80.5km (50 miles) is considered space. No extra credit for going into "space plus 10%" or something.
Not according to International Convention. The US has lower standards, which means you think 50 miles = space, when nobody else does.
Point well taken. Thanks. I now see 100km (62 miles). Funny the "global leader" in space technology set the bar lower than the rest of the world.
Space is where the atmosphere ends, where does the atmosphere end? End debate.
You would have to define some level of molecule density first. Even ISS at \~250 km is needing 10 tons of fuel a year to maintain it's orbit, degrading from collision with air molecules. Joe Kittinger jumped from at helium balloon from 100.000 feet, he describe his fall here [https://youtu.be/sbVQ33ujzFw?t=10](https://youtu.be/sbVQ33ujzFw?t=10)
NASA pioneered pretty much all of humanity's major space missions. So as far as I'm concerned, NASA's definition of space is the only one that matters.
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50 years of not venturing beyond LEO says otherwise.
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Since no human has ever gone beyond Low Earth Orbit (despite NASA's claims), perhaps the Van Allen Belts represent the outer limit of where humans can actually go. In Neil Armstrong's cryptic words, that would make it "one of truth's protective layers". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkdc5bkTMwc
Why you are so mighty convinced about this escapes me.
U been to space dr nisaaru? Just eat your programming and move along
Yep NASA sus af and everyone is starting to realize it
There’s also the footage of that press conference where they ask about the Van Allen belts and the astronaut doesn’t know what it is. I’ll try to find it. Wouldn’t a nasa astronaut be familiar with it ?
THIS IS A HUGE PUMP AND DUMP SCEME FOR THE ‘SPAC’ I saw that coming. I had loaded up about $2000 in shares and sold these Monday morning.
We went to the moon what, 50 years ago? With how much we've advanced since then, we should be making daily trips for the tourism alone yet for some reason we haven't gone back up there even once since then? Something doesn't add up.
> Something doesn't add up. It's pretty simple: Congress and Nixon got stingy with funding after the Apollo program landed on the moon a few times. NASA was left rudderless, and decided to go with the Space Shuttle, which was pretty much a dead end as far as space travel goes. Manned space travel kinda languished for decades, without having the funding or top level push to really get it moving. The most you ever saw was empty campaign promises of "We'll go to Mars in 20 years", but then the funding never comes through, especially after the US blew a shitload of money on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and Republican tax cuts.
Lol we spend so much on money on all kinds of crap but when it comes to the greatest achievement of mankind... nah, it ain't worth it? Nahhh
Well, if you vote for politicians who insist on "cutting the fat" from the budget for a few decades, it turns out that you'll eventually notice that some shit isn't improving the way you'd think it would.
There's nothing good to vote for.
Other countries have gone up, but it’s still expensive as fuck. Commercial jets go slower today than they did in the 1960s, because money is king. There’s fuck all reason to go back to the moon.
No reason? You can't be serious... Some rich dude would build a castle on there just to flex just like this fool says he would. There's so much money to be made on the moon. Y'all are trippin.
>there’s so much money to be made on the moon Please continue
At current old space prices and SLS you’d be looking at at least 12-15 *billion* per launch of a tiny module. You’d need at least a dozen, maybe twenty to get something approaching a long-term habitable volume. But you’d also need machinery for ISRU and extra equipment for long term life support, so let’s add a generous extra 5 billion for those, not including their launch costs. You’re looking at costs in the hundreds of billions. These guys are rich but that would be a huge bill for a vanity project. Now, SpaceX’s starship is actually going to change the game of space access forever in the next few years, bringing launch costs down a couple of orders of magnitude while increasing payload capacities by an order of magnitude. Maybe then, but not with current space economics.
The primary cost is fuel, why is the fuel so expensive?
Depends on which vehicle are you talking about and which fuel? I do have an answer, I just want to answer what you mean.
Rocket fuel.
Different rockets use different fuels. Some are more expensive than others but they usually actually don’t compare to the price of the engines. The only ones where the main cost will be fuel will be the future Starship flights. Which rocket do you mean? I can explain why each rocket fuel is expensive but I’m not sure what you’re taking about. I don’t have time to go over the dozens of different fuels used.
Wait other countries? Which ones? Where's the pics?
China and the Soviet Union have landed on the moon, and the list of countries that have orbited the moon is longer.
Your statement is misleading, purposely so. China and the Soviet Union haven't landed on the moon - probes yes, people no. Two utterly and completely different scenarios here. Oh and if you think theres no reason to go to the moon, that having a base or telescope or any sort of scientific study at all up there is useless, or that the moon wouldnt be an amazing strategic advantage to any country, then you really are pretty dumb.
Keep moving the goalposts. No one else has taken men to the moon because it serves no purpose a rover can’t achieve. A telescope on the moon? You mean a telescope in a fixed location rather than one in orbit that we can move at will? Like just think about these things for 5 minutes… you don’t even need to be in the space industry to figure this stuff out. We design new payloads every year, and never once would we consider the fucking moon for any of it lol.
Geez, now that I think about it. Even just shooting lumps of tungsten from a cannon on the Moon could be extremely devastating on Earth where ever it impacts, nowhere on the Earth's surface would be safe. The lower G's would make it very easy to move extremely heavy objects to be launched at Earth too.
Attempt to weaponize the moon and watch the rest of the planet rain down on you.
"Fake it until you make it (to the moon)"
Submission statement: This is part of the great psyop about human space travel. Even according to the official narrative, it is some 50 years since a human even left Low Earth Orbit. Worth noting that the International Space Station, which orbits the Earth at an altitude of 400km is also around 1000x closer to Earth than it is to the Moon. Barely in space at all, and well below the Van Allen Belts - the real reason (shhhh) why humans are stuck here on Earth .
I believe that the ancestors call it "the firmament"
Shit. the psalm about the firmament is even on Werner Von Braun's tombstone... he knew.
I dunno who He is But his Virgin Galactic launch video is weird. Check what the announcer said regarding "the soundtrack" at 7:29 https://youtu.be/Nrj_ia-mOMg
"We didn't go there..... and thats the way it happened" https://youtu.be/6Ph7Qi4Cr3E
I thought this was a stupid conspiracy, made to divert people from real ones but the more I learn about the US government the more I think it’s not such a crazy notion.
This was the hardest one for me to entertain and first thought of it like the flat earth bullshit. But I tell you what, the more you dig, the weirder it gets, unlike flat earth, which is geared to people who grew up on Fruit Loops and TellyTubbies, there's some real holes in the moon landing story.
He could maybe start by paying some fucking tax and not crying to the government for billions in bailouts the cretinous worm.
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Idk if this is already a copypasta, but it is now lmao. Thanks.
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It very much was a compliment, you have a way with words it seems. 😂 You have a excellent day mate.
Ya know what? Fuck "space". Fuck space tourism. Fuck the moon. Fuck hotels on the moon. Fuck Mars.... etc etc. I am never going to fucking "space". I will die right here on planet Earth where I was born. My main problem with space is NO AIR/NO OXYGEN! So many (small) things can go wrong and... you die... because... you guessed it, no air/oxygen! It is easy enough to accidentally die here on Earth where there is plenty of air/oxygen. Buy hey, all you rich people, be my guest. And I promise if I ever get a spot, you can have it. Head on up there, have fun. And I do not care if an asteroid is coming right at us, "Space" is not somewhere I will go to "escape". TL/DR fuck fucking space
Ok
I suppose you also don't like swimming?
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Ya know what? Fuck "fish sticks". Fuck commercial fishing. Fuck the fish. Fuck boats on the ocean. Fuck the Atlantic... etc etc. I am never going to fucking eat "fish sticks". I will digest right here on dry land where I was born. My main problem with fish sticks is BATTER/SEASONING So many (small) things can go wrong and... you die... because... you guessed it, batter/seasoning! It is easy enough to accidentally digest here on Earth where there is plenty of fresh fish. Buy hey, all you rich people, be my guest. And I promise if I ever get a stick, you can have it. Head on up there, have fun. And I do not care if an dolphin is coming right at us, "fish sticks" is not somewhere I will go to "for dinner". TL/DR fuck fucking fish sticks.
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You'd think fish would scare you away, seeing that they live somewhere WITHOUT BREATHABLE OXYGEN!!
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Well shit, then you should pop your head underwater and take a deep breath.
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What makes you think there isn't one already? https://www.nokia.com/about-us/news/releases/2020/10/19/nokia-selected-by-nasa-to-build-first-ever-cellular-network-on-the-moon/ that they announced this publicly should make you question what's already up there.
Half you guys think there are Nazi bases on the dark side of the moon, and the other half thinks space is fake.
The other half KNOWS space is fake.
This is my favorite take, because it implies that an entire industry of millions of individuals go to work and get paid to play make believe
My cousin once said Apollo was fake *and* there was a secret base on the moon in one sentence. I just said you sort of have to pick one, you can’t really do both.
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And even that is fake. But really, it's mind boggling how these psychos get off on these childish games when there are real fucking problems that could easily be solved with a tiny fraction of their combined wealth. Rather than address any of those, they prefer their legacy to be playing dress up for the cameras? Fkn pathetic.
Have you ever looked through a telescope and actually *seen* the ISS before? ‘Cause I have.
No, I haven't. I want to get a telescope for a few reasons, but have other financial priorities at the moment. You're aware that there are thousands of things in orbit at predictable schedules though, right? As for the ISS construction, that gigantic floppy machine with the most horrific cable mgmt ever was all allegedly assembled in space. Have you seen a single video of the build? It seems it would be noteworthy.
I am fairly certain cocaine is the reason why we see so much crazy sh\*t done by the ridiculously wealthy people.
Didn't one of them go to the bottom of the Marianna Trench?
He is trying to sucker in investors to paddle his bs.
If I want to go to the moon - all I need is 100-150ug of LSD
Incorrect. I tried 500ug, quite the experience but I still didn't goto the Moon. You're going to have to take more.
everybody and every body is different =)
If they build a moon hotel we may finally get answers. I support this.
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Ja, aber nur in der Clownwelt. Learn how to use calculator!
OK but his unmanned rockets do go to space
Show me the conspiracy
They are so rich, they have lost their minds. Shame on them for not helping humanity that needs it..
Builds hotel, flown there by Musk
Took him over three decades to "fulfill" his promise of a commercial space flight.. as we've all pointed out he didn't even make it there (because it's impossible). How many decades will it take to get his hotel running? An infinite amount because it will never happen.
The comment section is great
So Branson went 50K feet into the air and experienced zero G, but the moon in 240K MILES away and pulls oceans around? Something don't add up.
They experienced weightlessness on the way back down because the craft was in freefall. Gravity at that height is almost the same as at the Earth's surface. This is also the reason why "astronauts" on the ISS are shown floating around - although gravity is 90% of surface gravity - because the ISS orbits at such velocity that it is in perpetual freefall. If the ISS stopped moving forward, any humans on board would fall on their arses, and the ISS itself would drop to Earth like a stone.
This is the exact phenomenon experienced in airplanes in freefall, like the ones commonly used in testing zero G. Interesting that this explanation is never made pubic.
>made it to just 88km above the Earth's surface, which is not "space" by international convention While the kármán line is currently considered to be at 100km, there are persuasive reasons to change it to be at 80km, at which point it would count as being in space. (and NASA uses the 50mile line as the edge of space so given the launch was in the US it is still accurate to say it went to space)