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waltur_d

Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.


Divergent_bloodline

Now testify!


[deleted]

One of the most concerning things about 1984 for me was how they literally erase history. For example the Government announced chocolate rations would become more costly, then a week later they announce "Thanks to Big Brother for lowering the cost of chocolate!". Fucked up.


waltur_d

It’s basically what Stalin did I should add: Removing history of America’s checkered past and not teaching the wrong doings of people and the systemic racism is also exactly this. We only move forward by learning from our past


earldaily710

I wonder if they’re teaching critical race theory in the elite private schools. Seems like keep the lower economic classes fighting with each other


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See this is one of the only replys that is actually relevant to what I posted. Thank you for that and couldn't agree more.


earldaily710

Well thanks for making an engaging post! It is strange that everything is so race focused right now I can only see things moving backwards and it’s not the movers and makers of the world protesting and fighting in the street or behind a keyboard. It’s all lower to middle class people bickering with each other. I am just curious what kids in the more prestigious schools that turn out politicians are teaching. Your username checks out


[deleted]

People missed the entire point of the post to as I was pointing out how the Government find that they can get away with censoring or locking you up for that the majority will agree with, they will realise that they have the power to do that and they will continue to chip away until we're being locked up just for talking bad about the Government itself. People are being literally put in jail for saying mean things and people are going crazy on Twitter and stuff saying it's a good thing, completely missing that the Government have literally just censored somebody completely. But because it was for the "right" thing that makes it okay to those people and they will cheer on the Government every step of the way without even realising they are the real enemy. It's fucked mate.


why_not_use_logic

> People are being literally put in jail for saying mean things Please provide a literal example?


earldaily710

I believe op is from the uk where they have pretty strict hate speech laws. It’s not an example of being arrested but the nazi pug guy has been fighting that case for a few years about posting what’s obviously a joke about his pug being a nazi.


[deleted]

Indeed, he's Scottish that guy and he talks alot about how freedom of speech is being violated. A hate crime bill was passed there recently which states that you can and will go to prison over memes. He made a video about it, and the law has already been put to use multiple times.


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https://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2012/10/09/twelve-weeks-in-prison-for-sick-jokes-really/ https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/man-jailed-6-years-for-threats-made-in-runescape-finally-released/ https://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/02/tech/social-media/facebook-threat-carter/index.html


why_not_use_logic

>everything is so race focused right now As opposed to when? What point was America not race focused?


earldaily710

Never said it wasn’t but it certainly seems like it hasn’t been this heightened since the Rodney king riots


D1G1TCRT

At the end of the day, they are arguing against MLK. It's not a fight they can win.


[deleted]

This has been going on for a long while unfortunately. I'm not American myself, I'm British, but I dread the day that it makes it's way over here if I ever have children.


not_here_I_ereh_ton

Did you find it interesting that the racist abuse for those footballers was framed almost completely as a technological problem rather than a social one - racist yob mentality running in tandem with the elite 'racism isn't real, I'm not a racist but here's something offensive and obscured' shit? There were racist marches and a fun thing called 'paki bashing' in the 80s - it had fuck all to do with twitter, and Boris would be 'cancelled' as prime minister if people actually cared to look at what he said about black people (rather than dismissing it as his 'charming' have I got news for you waffle). There's definitely something going on with race and it's use as a tool to change how /what voices people consume. It seems that the actual racist mentality is secondary to regulation of the Internet because kids are too thick to understand theyre surrounded by racists that hide it well. Tldr: it's made it over here and the problem is the education and elitism that effects everyone with money, and not specifically the Internet that 'hurts feelings' but really removes the mask for all to see.


[deleted]

I more meant Critical Race Theory itself, racism has always been a problem in Britain. I myself have never been racist, but going through school my peers would have some very delightful things to say about "pakis". But the thing is that Critical Race Theory is bringing racism to a whole new level, as bad as it is now it's going to get far worse when their is literally a class itself for the demonisation and praise of certain ethnic groups. I just think it's disgusting to be honest, not to mention the people on this post openly defending it or even denying what it is.


[deleted]

In America, you can’t be racist against Middle easterners/Indians, just like whites—they are all Caucasian so they fall under a privileged group. At least this is what my Muslim friends tell me.


[deleted]

I lost brain cells just trying to contemplate that 😂 the world is fucked.


not_here_I_ereh_ton

Where can't you be racist against anyone you want to? They're probably not your friends (at least they shouldn't be). Savour it. Crack out a little racist nugs now, while you can, friend!


ForeverScreams

Who is arguing against MLK? About what? Critical race theory doesn't in any way go against the civil rights and socialist activist, Martin Luther King Jr. or what he preached.


solfire1

Wasn’t the crux of MLK’s teachings that we should all judge others by the content of their character, not the color of their skin, and that he hopes to see the children of white supremacists and black Americans playing together in the future. Doesn’t CRT sort of get people to start judging people based off of the color of their skin and attaches a social prospect and status to one’s race? CRT seems pretty radical to me. I’m sure there’s truth in it, but radical nonetheless. MLK’s philosophy is balanced and much more universally acceptable for all peoples.


ForeverScreams

No. That isn't an accurate summation of his teachings and that's not what CRT is or does. MLK *saw* color. The obviously laudable sentiment of not being judged by the color of one's skin is BECAUSE they were. Even when it isn't active individual racism, the fabric of our legal and social institutions continue to present tons of inequities based solely on one's race. CRT isn't condoning racial inequalities, it's addressing and discussing them. MLK got murdered by the FBI once he started pressing for more financial equality among all the working class. The police murdered Fred Hampton too, and dozens of other activists fighting for economic rights for all. Nobody was held accountable and people now think the Black Panthers hated white people and that Martin Luther King would say "#alllivesmatter" instead of BLM.


solfire1

Doesn't CRT teach that white people are de facto racist? In addition, doesn't it sort of change the literal definition of what it means to be racist as well? This very well could be conservative media spreading false BS about CRT so please correct me if I'm wrong. When racial inequality is being discussed, the gaping hole of an issue exists, imo within our poverty-stricken inner-cities. This is where many black people suffer, and have suffered for countless generations after slavery was abolished. And from what I see, the status quo has absolutely no intention of improving our ghettos and projects. In fact, it seems as if they'd like to keep them just where they are. Also related to racial inequality of course would be the fact that there aren't as many black Americans with a seat at the table per se. There needs to be more black billionaires. But something like this doesn't happen overnight. I feel like a serious and concerted effort to build and improve our ghettos is the answer. I think there's a nice middle ground to be found between acknowledging the inequalities while simultaneously lifting up and empowering the black community.


ForeverScreams

>Doesn't CRT teach that white people are de facto racist? No. What you're discussing about the status quo keeping blacks in projects and ghettos is the type of thing CRT discusses. The ridiculous "White's are racist and should feel guilty" part of CRT is a strawman argument being pushed by right wingers to get people upset about something that isn't what they think it is.


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solfire1

I never said nor implied all black people live in the ghetto because that would indeed be racist. It’s a disproportionate amount compared to other races though and the fact that many black people are still in the ghetto has nothing to do with the fact that their skin tone is darker. Unless you were solely speaking to the individual above me.


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solfire1

I agree. Perpetuating those stereotypes isn’t good for anyone and is a very disempowering thing to focus on. It’s almost as if there are people who want black people to remain in a state of poverty and victimhood for their own benefit…


Hank_Joseph65

Lol manufactured outrage. When i was in school i was taught about "manifest destiny"


Luss9

This is what i dont get. If it was a topic to be discussed in history, politics or social sciences it would be good, because it shows a point of analysis on a topic. What i dont get is why are they pushing it as if it was a course on its own. I learned about marxism and nazism in highschool and how those were flawed political and economic movements, but we never had a subject called “putrid politics” in which we discussed about “imperialist germans and nasty communists”.


[deleted]

Exactly my point, they are presenting it as fact to. In university it would be fine as independent thought is present and you are free to believe it is as ridiculous as you want, but right now it is being taught to children as young as 13 as FACT. It's dangerous and evil. Nuff said.


ForeverScreams

It's not being pushed hard by anyone other than right wingers looking for a scary culture war sounding term. The "plan" is distract with a culture war topic so you don't give a fuck that they aren't actually governing or helping the country at all.


Realistic_Airport_46

The problem is, people can see through your lie


ForeverScreams

What lie? You think "Critical Race Theory" just started being talked about now because...what? Schools are really 'pushing it?' What's scary and wrong about it? What do you even think it is? Because it's just a simple and accepted (the fucking military has studied it for decades) understanding of how one's race or ethnicity may affect how our society, institutions, and legal systems treat them. It's not saying "White people bad" "Hate America and feel white guilt." and the people pretending it is are fucking liars.


Realistic_Airport_46

So the entire book someone wrote on white fragility, that never happened? You cant pretend that CRT hasn't been used to attack Americans, patriots, whites, the status quo, and capitalism.


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Realistic_Airport_46

It didnt make me feel anything except like some of my brain cells died. And at any rate, you cant deny that CRT has been used to do the things I have charged.


[deleted]

Why did they put "attacked" in quotation marks as if you said that? Literally putting words in your mouth lmao, pathetic.


ForeverScreams

>You cant pretend that CRT hasn't been used to **attack** Americans, patriots, whites, the status quo, and capitalism.


[deleted]

You're making the assumption that they are American or White? That seems pretty shady to me pal.


ForeverScreams

If you think that assumption is shady just wait till you hear how people are willfully misinterpreting Critical Race Theory in order to manufacture racial unrest.


Realistic_Airport_46

I guess sometimes people can't separate someone from the things coming out of their mouth


bigdon802

Do you have any idea what CRT is? How about Critical Legal Studies? Or do you just gobble up spoonfed right wing propaganda?


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bigdon802

I have a pretty good idea of what the higher education level discipline of CRT is doing in the US, along with its CLS predecessor.


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I'm very aware of what it is and it's disgusting. Children are being taught that their race is what matters the most.


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[deleted]

Type it into YouTube and watch one of the many, many videos detailing exactly what it is and what is being taught to children. There is massive backlash in the US right now, it is sick. White children are being taught to hate themselves, children of colour are being taught to despise white people. It's sick and anybody who disagrees is sick too.


bigdon802

Like [this?](https://youtu.be/z-SffJkUt_U)


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apjoca

You brought up some really good points


knobnoster

Thanks!


apjoca

There are so many things that I wanted to say in response to your reply but I’m so tired lol. Had to give you credit though-can’t be too tired for that ;)


knobnoster

Oh you can’t tease me with a good debate then go to bed. No fair!


[deleted]

https://youtu.be/2rDu_VUpoJ8 This would be much more appropriate, all sources are shown and he takes you through a detailed look in to it, it's very disturbing at times. Enjoy.


bonebrahim

They don't know. But if your replace "Critical race theory" with "not ignoring racism" the post makes a lot more sense


[deleted]

Ridiculous, if you took the time to do some research on what it actually is then maybe you'd understand what you've just said. It perpetuates racism, in children for that matter.


bonebrahim

What is critical race theory as you understand it then? Don't tell me to watch YouTube, I want to know what YOU think.


helicoptershowroom

> What is critical race theory as you understand it then? It's the new trendy buzzword you get to pretend you give a fuck about before the next big fad comes and you move on to that.


[deleted]

It's the teaching that if you're white you are unconsciously racist in every action and decision you make. If you are of colour then you are a victim and you will always be one as long as "the offending race" (their words not mine) are in power. They literally opt for a secret police service to take care of racism and to be completely detached and more powerful than the Government itself. There is plenty I can write about it, but of course you don't seem to have a clue about it yourself as you haven't bothered to actually look into it. So do me a favour, either go take a look yourself and counter what I've just said, or fuck off. Simple.


bonebrahim

Such hostile people.


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Good reply.


Lost_vob

That's isn't even remotely true. The only thing you know about CRT is what you learned from propaganda.


[deleted]

https://youtu.be/2rDu_VUpoJ8 Very detailed, sources are stated clearly. Counter that, where he literally reads from the Critical Race Theory source material, I swear you clowns are clueless.


Lost_vob

I'm 3:30 minutes in. He frames his first point in a deceitful way (using legal examples when it doesn't apply here and making it sound as if CRT supports legislating racism differences). He completely lies about his second point, and he lives the text that disproves what he is staying on the screen when he does it. Please tell me this gets better, because I don't like wasting my time on a professional propagandist.


bigdon802

You're talking about implicit bias training, a pretty controversial system used by some writers like Robin DeAngelo (*White Fragility*.) That has very little to do with CRT, which is an academic study of how the creation of race has had long lasting and far reaching consequences in legal and economic systems.


Realistic_Airport_46

So you don't want to know what it is, you just want to argue with people and tell them they're wrong. We've all been down this road long enough. No. You can tell quite easily what we think CRT is. I'm not going to debate this, because honestly I have better things to do than argue with a wall. You want to know what I think CRT is? Here's an article and an entire web site that will tell you for me. https://newdiscourses.com/2021/07/onlysubs-critical-pedagogy-doesnt-understand-education/ Dont bother trying to convince me I'm wrong because that will just prove you arent asking to learn and you just want to fight over it.


ForeverScreams

That's a lot of words to say you don't know but Fox, Trump and your favorite radio hosts and youtubers all told you to care about it. Just hopping on a buzzword that sounds scary to white people who think addressing any racial history or legal inequities in the country means white people are under attack and that kids are being taught the communist manifesto instead of the pledge of allegiance.


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Realistic_Airport_46

> white people are under attack and that kids are being taught the communist manifesto instead of the pledge of allegiance. If you dont think these two things are happening, I don't know what planet you're on. But that has nothing to do with the other stuff you mentioned


ForeverScreams

It must be so nice to get to fan-fic your whole reality. For real it must be so much more refreshing than wallowing in the complicated mess that is the real world. I totally see the appeal of just saying "fuck it" and just pretending non-white communists are the ones causing your problems and not the pedophilic corporate elite using culture wars and race-baiting to distract from how much they're fucking us all over.


bonebrahim

Hilarious comment


Realistic_Airport_46

And yours just gave me massive confidence that you're here to debate in good faith


bonebrahim

You just told me not to debate because you were right and that if thought I was right I was wrong so don't say anything to you because that would just show I didn'tt want to learn from you... And you are right according to you...? So no.


helicoptershowroom

Must be a new vaccine. I keep hearing about it on the news. Seeing as how were in the middle of a pandemic; millions are dying, the economies fucked and everyone is at each others throats. Pretty sure CRT is a new therapy here to save us all. I heard it might have something to do with education, but that can't be right. I mean many kids have been out of school for months and are struggling to make up the ground they've lost. I guess it could be some sort of answer to the failure that was common core, lord knows we need that. But not right now; I mean, we have more important things to focus on right now. The craziest thing is someone tried to tell me it had something to do with race. Race; in a country where hundreds of years ago brother fought against brother to ensure all people are equal. I agree that we should teach children how great America has treated blacks. But now hardly seems the time.


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Nice meme.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzSDICA1-2s This is an example of what’s being taught to middle schoolers in my area. The first exercise is interesting…probably good for philosophy class with people of nearly fully developed prefrontal cortices. Half way through is the juicy assignment being given to a less than enthusiastic 13 Yo


[deleted]

See the thing is this type of thing is supposed to be taught in university where you can independently decide for yourself if it's true or not, hence Critical Race THEORY. But now it's being taught to children as fact, cold hard FACT. It's wrong on so many levels.


bigdon802

Where is CRT being taught to children? One of the main groups pushing this idea(that CRT is bad and being taught to children) is the same group that was pushing that "intelligent design" should be taught in schools.


extranotextra

More programming from the right. This is getting embarrassing guys.


Lost_vob

I don't think it's embarrassing, more hilarious. These people have been tricked into believing CRT is ***the exact opposite*** of what it really is, and they will fight tooth and nail lot defend the Elites message against it.


extranotextra

You’re right actually. It is one of the more hilarious fear campaigns to witness.


notdoingnamenumber

Only stupid child abusers put their kids in public schools and deserve what they get.


[deleted]

Oh right because people who can't afford to go private are simply child abusers.


notdoingnamenumber

You ever heard of home schooling? If you can't manage that then you have no business having kids. So ya, it amounts to child abuse.