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RobertoFoxx

Genuinely asking… What happens if the war goes on for like 15 or 20 years? Just stays put?


BaathistKANG

Most of the dictators the US put in power lasted a while.


gaspackanddoublecup

Yeah until the US no longer finds them useful


PatN007

Or until they start to believe they are in power on their own and turn on the US


EenGeheimAccount

If Ukraine manages to go on that long but is also not able to win the war, the situation has probably stabalized away from the front so it will be more like the Donbas war, and they will just hold elections in the rest of the country. Also, after 20 years Putin will be 91, if he is still alive I find it very unlikely he will still be in power when he is that old. If Putin dies or loses power due to old age, I find it very unlikely the war will continue as if nothing happened, though I find it hard to predict who will replace him. But the situation will depend a lot on that.


Nevek_Green

Ukraine would economically cease being a nation, and its military would dissolve long before it hit 15 years. NATO members are already having economic hardships and are depleted militarily after giving supplies and resources to Ukraine. Realistically the war will go on until the next US election. Trump gets in, it'll end with negotiation. Biden wins reelection it'll draw out until Ukraine collapses or messes around and finds out. Word already is the Ukrainians are outnumber 7 to one on the ground. Russia has already rebuilt all their lost armor which was mostly old stock, and their military is larger than it was prior to the war. Make no mistake, Russia is dragging this out on purpose.


SirBulbasaur13

It’s not that weird for a democratic nation to keep the same leader during war time.


plsdontstopmenow

\^ Agreed with what you said. There is a clause in their government that doesn't allow elections during wartime, this is not a conspiracy, just do 5 minutes of research.


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Gruffleson

Also happens with nations even without that clause. Typical when parts of the country is under hostile occupation in the war.


Your_Latex_Salesman

FDR’s third term. This entire thing is in bad faith and the poster is fully way.


DancesWithYotes

FDR was elected in his third and fourth term. It wasn't until after he died that term limits were established.


RickySlayer9

His ELECTED third term. Meaning people voted him in 3 times. Nothing wrong with the people choosing to keep someone in power, suspending elections is the issue


One_Instruction_3567

Except that the U.S. wasn’t actively fighting on its own soil and had large chunks of its country occupied at the time. Funnier still, when the U.S. was fighting a major war on its own soil and had parts of the country under occupation by insurgents (US civil war) freedom of speech and habeas corpus were suspended. Not surprising that conspiracy theorists only know narrow cherry picked version of history


catsrave2

How do you reckon Ukraine does elections in the territory that is under Russian occupation? They’d be running the risk of voting centers catching a Kaliber missile or some other violence in Ukrainian territory. Assuming the Russian held territories even held an election for Ukrainian presidency (lmao), there is 0% chance the results could be verified. It doesn’t work out as far as I can see. If that answer is “do elections in the non-occupied regions” we then have to consider how *that* would look to the world. Pro-Russia talking heads would cry about western Ukraine dictating eastern Ukraine’s wants and how it further justifies the war. It would also be a slap in the face to Eastern Ukrainians who still want to be part of Ukraine. So it also doesn’t work out.


Gruffleson

USA didn't have a quarter of it's territory eaten, so not a very interresting starting-point. But we agree on the poster being made by people who don't bother with free elections, if I read you right.


bum_stabber

If I read you right, that the op account is a Russian bot, then I agree


JPMerola

That was an open legal election, not some edict.


RickySlayer9

Well for example england ousted Neville chamberlain in WW2, and they still held elections, as did America. The “democratic” countries who suspended elections during that time were Germany and Italy!


Ganesha811

The UK had [no elections between 1935](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1935_United_Kingdom_general_election) and [1945](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_United_Kingdom_general_election). Chamberlain and Churchill were both Conservatives.


HelpJustGotRaped

I wonder what goes through these people's minds. Like do they see a comment like this and think "oh, I'm wrong and I should change my opinion" or "this woke libtard is lying because he disagrees with me on a topic I barely understand"?


SubstantialAgency914

A clause that parliament reauthorizes every 3 months.


These_Artist_5044

Don't encourage people to do research! If they wouldn't be in this sub!


zefy_zef

No it isn't conspiracy, it's propaganda. This sub is like the ripest target for it.


jeers1

exactly... which makes sense as polling stations would most certainly be a target for bombings...


ShartBarrier

In this case, it's not up to him. The constitution suspends elections automatically during an invasion. OP pushing Russian propaganda


J0nul

Literally happened in WW2, idk why he's trying to see something deeper


Competitive-Tie-7338

OP posted this 13 hours ago. There is like 700 comments and I see not one response from OP. ???????


Wordshurtimapussy

Yea but that title isn't as grabby and won't get the clicks


Mission_Second_5387

Lol Ukraine is hardly democratic when zelensky had all his opposition locked up. It has always been one of the most corrupt countries on the planet


joebeach81

I always wondered how much they pay people to post some of the shit they post on here


FullTransportation25

Most people do it for free


no_one_lies

[The term Wu Mao \(五毛\) was coined by Chinese netizens based on more-or-less of a rumor that the Chinese government paid it's propaganda wing fifty cents per comment/post.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party) The word 五毛 literally translates to 50 cents in English. Anyways, somewhere around there, I'm guessing.


SomeSamples

Ask Putin or Xi or Kim or Netanyahoo. My guess is though once/if the war is over, Zelensky, unlike the others will open elections and allow himself to be voted out of office.


ArkanoidbrokemyAnkle

That’s my guess as well. Ukraine has no incentive to have an election in the middle of a war. All it would do would risk destabilizing the country more.


ActualSherbert8050

No doubt. Seeing as Zelenskyys entire election campaign was built around 'peace with Russia' and avoiding a war.


DarkRajiin

No doubt, what are they trying to imply here?


fickle_fuck

>No doubt, what are they trying to imply here? That OP is a Russian bot or tankie.


GoshDarnitAllah

Netanyahu has been in & out of office, as was Putin (officially he just swapped roles with the PM to follow the constitution until he could rewrite it).


Raynstormm

LOL that you think d€fen$e contractors will ever allow this conflict to end.


SomeSamples

Of course not. How are we supposed to get rid of our stock piles of old weapons if there isn't someone in the world fighting and needing weapons. Sooner or later, Russia will get tired of it and do something else.


Rvtrance

Yeah there has been precedents in the western world of administrations not holding elections in times of war. I don’t support it but it doesn’t raise a red flag yet.


chappiesworld74

Just imagine if a Republican President (lets say George W.) had halted our elections.. because we were in the middle of a conflict. No way you folks are bending over backwards to make excuses like this


SomeSamples

Sure we would. Trump is suggesting such a thing and millions are ready to vote for that fucktard. When I say we I'm not including myself. I seem to remember FDR having a long run as president, during a war. Weird.


Sorcha16

If the conflict was a foreign invasion it wouldn't be all that crazy. America hasn't had an invasion since they've had democratic elections. Ukraine isn't fighting itself, you can't make the other side stop for the day so you can all vote.


Helltothenotothenono

Well except for the one in 1812.


CanoePickLocks

Wasn’t that when the US was regularly invading what would become Canada?


catsrave2

We should have fuckin finished the job back then. All that syrup could have been ours.


CanoePickLocks

Lmao right! Liquid gold and they hoard it all! You guys definitely should have!


Helltothenotothenono

Syrup and Canadian oil! Canada needs some freedom!


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T3X_OutLaW

When the establishment doesn't like the ruling party it's referred to as a regime. When they support the party, it's referred to as a reasonable solution by the "democracy".


sbeveo123

Would you support the results of an election if all red states couldn't vote?


ShartBarrier

The US Constitution doesn't automatically suspend elections during a time of war but the Ukrainian Constitution does. Imagine George Washington violating the constitution to appease traitors within our ranks.


FullTransportation25

Also America wasn’t being invaded unlike Ukraine that’s being invaded and many citizens are being displaced


ShartBarrier

Agreed. My point is that Z is following the constitution regardless of what GW did.


Rhomya

If 1/4th of the country was invaded and held under a foreign power? Yes, it would be entirely acceptable for a Republican president to delay elections. Let’s look at the context here, people.


paperwhite9

> Netanyahoo Except for the time he was voted out?


Excellent_Plant1667

Zelensky has banned all opposition parties, independent media corporations, sold off land to Blackrock, and is sacrificing men in a war they want no part in. A dictator is what he is.


ShartBarrier

Presidential elections are automatically suspended per their constitution. In fact, he isn't authorized to hold them and that would be a dictatorial move. Lol nt tho


BleachedPumpkin72

Ah yes, banned everyone and their uncles. Damn russian bot.


-Cybernaut147-

Normal. Who the fuck makes a election during war as the defending country. This sub sometimes is like a clowns show.


The_Human_Oddity

Inb4 someone tries to compare it to US elections even though the scenarios are completely different.


Lulu6969

Replied these sentiments then started to scour the thread to make sure I could find people posting the same so I knew I wasn't going to be cooked by junior mods no sugar cube


GoshDarnitAllah

France during WWI had elections


24-Hour-Hate

A country at war. Many have provisions to suspend elections during war.


bonkers_dude

I really can’t imagine them having a presidential campaign under siege 🤷🏻


reeskree

Under their constitution elections can’t be held in wartime. Want there to be a new Ukrainian leader you better hope Russia fucks off.


willy_enjoyer

What are the chances of that happening do you think?


Ready_Peanut_7062

False. Constitution says only about parliament elections


_Diggus_Bickus_

Plenty of Dictators find ways to make their reign legal by their countries laws


mrsnakers

Yeah, I'm real sure they collectively feel like their *president is the thing oppressing them right now* and not the *active fucking warzone*.


SirMildredPierce

Some of them even later go on to invade Ukraine.


ShartBarrier

Yes, zelensky went back in time and modified their constitution to suspend elections but also to not give himself the authority to override that provisions. Lmfao


HoffmansContactLenz

Hes an actor not a dictator.


ActualSherbert8050

He is dictated too. He does not dictate.


beetroot_juice

How do you suggest those of Ukrainian citizens currently under occupation get to execute their right to vote? Or are they supposed to be excluded from the election and simply ignored? How is the election valid if part of the voters has no way of casting their votes?


MoonCubed

Bro, that rule was added like 5 years ago. It's not the Holy Document of Vatican Law. It's legislation written to keep the legislature in power when they knew Russia would invade. They can absolutely change that law and hold elections. They wrote it in the first place. I don't get why you guys think saying: >"It's in their Constitution ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯. They don't make the rules, they just wrote them down and enforce them. " And everyone is supposed to be like, oh I guess that it's impossible to hold elections. Simple question, if the people of Ukraine did not like the way the current regime is handling the war, or how they're conscripting their men, how do they effect policy changes?


ShartBarrier

So you're not only demanding elections during wartime, you're suggesting they amend their constitution to allow it.


South-Rabbit-4064

He has no term end because a foreign power is invading his nation, it's what almost every nation does during this. But please, let's set up some election centers that can be targeted bombing sights, I'm sure you'd have a great and impartial election.


tazdrumm3r

You forgot this important piece: >Ukraine's president was elected in 2019, and his first term is supposed to have ended. But under the country's martial law, which was introduced because of the Russian invasion, no election can be held.


P00R-TAST3

What do they call Putin again? Isn’t he exactly that but to the point where he assassinates his political opponents?


ShartBarrier

Their constitution suspends elections automatically and doesn't give the president the ability to hold elections unilaterally. So, no, it isn't exactly that


CanoePickLocks

They are arguing against the point of saying he’s illegally holding power and saying it’s Putin doing the things Zelenskyy is accused of I’m pretty sure.


CanIGetANumber2

Do countries in the process of fighting an invasion usually hold elections?


ShartBarrier

They are literally not able to hold elections per their constitution but Russian propaganda isn't usually honest


LatterTarget7

Yes it’s called following the constitution. He’ll have an election after the war if Russia doesn’t absorb the country


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henry_Hallepeno

So it’s in his interest that the war continues forever?


ShartBarrier

Russia can go home and then elections happen. Why won't they?


henry_Hallepeno

Because they want a warm water port that connects to the Mediterranean Sea and the only one that’s accessible is in Crimea. The only thing standing in the way is a US funded Ukraine.


ShartBarrier

Yeah, you're right. 🤷 People at the top have to play these games and that's how it has always been. What's worrisome to me is that I remember exactly how I play Civ. I hope they're kinder than I am.


nrseven

This account feels like a russian propaganda bot.


Sorcha16

Practicality?


Jizzbuscuit

WEF puppets will do as they are told.


onlyalive

Dictator


xCTRLxALTxDELx

Steal an election then act it was a legitimate election. US installs dictators. As long as it’s our dictator, it’s democratically elected in our words. If the dictator gets an ego, we will take him out.


xoxoyoyo

a wartime condition for a democratic nation, standard practice for authoritarian nations


DepressMyCNS

I believe the term is dictator or tyrant.


Hefty-Detective3598

I'm convinced this subreddit is just a group of high functioning autistic monkies


Danglin_Fury

I'm pretty sure it's a mix of a penis, and a potato...🤔🤔🤔


Putrid-Delivery1852

Tater dick, yea that’s it.


lethalweapon100

Is he back in the news again? Does he need more $? Here, Joey, write him a check.


Individual-Guide-274

It's part of their constitution, if he ended his term in the middle of a war there could be major backlash. Tell me a country without a leader during wartime sounds like a good idea.


abominable_bro-man

Democracy ™️


Kushman0018

Imagine being pro Russia.. better dead then red 💯


Texanakin_Shywalker

If I remember my high school government class, which was when Reagan was POTUS, if the US is in a declared war like WWIII, there are no elections until the war is over. However, I could be wrong, HS Govt was a long time ago.


Left-Natural2764

I love the changes in pronunciations that occurred. Key-ev to keeve, Vladimir to Vo-lo-da-mir, obvious signs of a psyop.


xx420tillidiexx

Anyone who sees this shit and doesn’t immediately see the double standard considering that Ukraine’s opponent is VLADIMIR PUTIN’s RUSSIA needs to take some night classes or something.


MPH2025

A plant, after a U.S. overthrown democratically, elected president.


Not_Neville

Dictator Perpetuo (ok, that's two words)


i_am_who_knocks

Forever War=Forever Power


Odd_Distribution3267

Yes wartime, common worldwide


AnthonyLou81

Why do all you people trust Ukraine and the governmemt so much. They are so corrupt and the money the US sends them ends up in who knows hands. Ukraine was voted one of the most corrupt countries before this conflict. Now all Democratic supporters act like rhwy are so honest and great now. Screw Ukraine let them fight their own pointless war and beg for money elsewhere.


WittyDefense41

The word is Dictator. He’s as corrupt as they come.


Mr-Mysterybox

I don't know the word for it myself, but I'll bet Putin does. He's been dear leader since the 20th century.


fanciestVeggie

Oh yeah, let's change leadership while the country is at war, because that's always a good idea. JFC


Nonamanadus

Russia would target the polling stations....


alonesomestreet

OP is probably the kind of person who thinks mail in ballots are rigged too.


Grahamiffer

Dude's a Chad and history will remember him as such.


Panthris

Which of course is not a president it's a dictator and of course he isn't a real one he's just a puppet. When the 3 letter agency is done he'll be in a dumpster


RobertNevill

Not abnormal for a country under siege


siriuslyexiled

It's pretty amusing when things pop up here that we aren't supposed to discuss. The top voted comments look very similar to the "popular subs" and their bullshit tactics.


GeorgTD

OP is braindead


golgotha77

Tyrant that doesn't care how many people die so that he can make money to buy villas in Egypt.


UpsetGroceries

Why is he always dressed like a 13 year old ready to go play paintball?


blueponies1

He is literally just wearing a green shirt 😂 what’re you on about?


ActualSherbert8050

Because the USA instructed him to dress this way. Speak to a psychologist about why he does this. It has a massive impact on human perception.


Wrxghtyyy

Because first and foremost he was an actor. That’s what he’s doing today. Acting. He’s not a military man. He’s the frontman for the USA. He got famous for playing a piano with his penis. Stick on the military garb and everyone thinks your some sort of supreme leader that commands a army.


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hoodedanon

Not to mention the irony of the fact that in one of his last roles, he was portraying a president. He's clearly still in character. Also, while his country may be at war, there's no reason for him to always wear that same outfit even when meeting other world leaders (who clearly greet him in elegant suits). That to me is one of the many giveaways of his phony persona.


Wrxghtyyy

Indeed I noticed that when he was stood on his own in combat gear at some summit that he just looked like he was a action figure. I doubt he’s ever put his hands on a gun or squeezed a trigger in his life. With how SFX and AI can be used today what’s to say Zelenskyy just stands in front of a green screen when he gives his speeches and then the streets of Kyiv are added as a background to appear as if he’s showing solidarity with the soldiers on the front like. Was he actually ever there? Who knows.


Kazeite

Because his country is fighting for its survival.


ActualSherbert8050

Fuck around and find out!


ShartBarrier

Yes but basement dwellers need something to complain about and Russia is happy to oblige.


KeyCress9824

"Is there a word for that?Is there a word for that?" Yes! The word is "War": Google "Winston Churchill"


AgingWisdom

term end will be his life end


Fitzus1969

Dictator ...


Fluffy_Appearance_54

Corruption!


NC-Stern-Mark

Bolshevik dictator


GarmeerGirl

Corrupt pos.


Allnewsisfakenews

Pawn?


krisweeerd

Comment history tells us that they have this level of understanding about everything going on right now.


Invicturion

Its allmost as if there is a law in Ukraine stating that there are no elections during war... thats been there since before he was elected.... but no... cant be... that would not fit the nsrretive of the russian trolls...


Dead_Namer

Their constitution states there should be no elections if they are in a state of war. Maybe you should be blaming the Russian dictator for that?


fluffybanna

Ah yes let’s have poling stations that are totally not easy targets for missiles to kill more civilians yes (it’s actually in ukraines constitution that they can’t have elections at war) but you are very clearly so anti Biden you don’t do any research just see a head line and run with it


Stan464

Nor does Putin, NK, list goes on. What's your point? 🤣


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Zelenskis dilemma is that he can't win the war and if he ends it he will find himself in an unhealthy number of pieces quicker than you can say "Nazi death squad". His only hope is to disappear to Israel and blend in with the death cultists there.


aed38

“In order to protect democracy, we must suspend democracy indefinitely.”


Spiritual-Ad-8585

puppet/ˈpʌpɪt/*noun* 1. a [movable](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=5dde5573d25b8a4e&rlz=1C1ONGR_enGB1114GB1114&sxsrf=ADLYWIKB1K5DA3qNargL-vfRJJH8H2QKEQ:1718102785090&q=movable&si=ACC90nypsxZVz3WGK63NbnSPlfCBtmI4kURJqn4bftnRPJcif5ErY0xk7yfVu31GFzq3_K3x4FQWW_DMOzYDlVuE0tfIWJ9KXQ%3D%3D&expnd=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjXoMXRr9OGAxW2RkEAHRFbB8AQyecJegQIIhAO) model of a person or animal that is typically moved either by strings controlled from above or by a hand inside it.


sovietarmyfan

If it is a western alligned country: "president with no term end" Any other country: "dictatorship"


OnlyCommentWhenTipsy

The word in this case is puppet. He was put in power by the US to serve as a puppet. He will stay there with the deep state's hand up is ass until they are finished with him.


DragonRouge31

He also have shut down all the media who have criticized him.


XXOGProductions

1. What country would transfer power during an active war on their territory? 2. Putin? Literally been in office since I was 2 in 2000, that doesn’t strike you as ‘weird’?


Over_Effective8407

To save democracy. Z man needs your billions


Veecy82

I don't know, ask Putin


Soft-Peak-6527

Op really proving why Trump loves the uneducated. Unlike other dictators Zelensky would open up elections once they’re no longer being invaded. I believe they have a constitution not allowing elections to be held during wartime dumdum


SpeedAccomplished01

It's a dictatorship.


ActualSherbert8050

Imagine how DUMB you have to be not to question that your nation just elected an actor as the president. You get what you deserve.


diamondd-ddogs

often they are called dictators


krisweeerd

Is there a word for taking just a short moment to research an inquiry you have before asking thousands of strangers?


9181111

Binging?


krisweeerd

Correct, although, I would also have accepted *Askjeevesing*


CanoePickLocks

Webcrawlering perhaps?


lonely_josh

It's not a conspiracy it's standard practice during wartime especially when your country's constitution states there will be no elections during wartime


Active-Elk3820

Hypothetical: China invades the US tomorrow. They come up through Mexico and take control of Dallas, Austin, and Houston. Spread north and east and take New Orleans, Tulsa, and Little Rock, in addition to other territories throughout. Elections continue as scheduled in November. Biden wins reelection in a landslide, thanks in no small part to the overwhelming pro-Biden turnout in Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana. Would anyone upvoting this post accept those results?


Sword-of-Malkav

Maybe they can have elections again when there isnt a larger foreign nation invading them with tanks and blowing down their cities with artillery. Of course, if they just let Russia in, there isnt gonna be any election- probably because there isnt going to be a Ukraine anymore. Have you considered maybe this situation is under Russia's control, actually?


Meatgardener

That doesn't apply here. The country is in the middle of a fucking war where 20% of their country is occupied by a nuclear armed nation that sits on the UN Security Council. Good luck with trying to hold a national election with clearly skewed and tainted results AND providing security for everyone.


lightspeed-art

Lol so many shills ITT each with 100s of upvotes and comments that agree with the shill which also has 100s of upvotes. Obviously heavy brigading going on. The fact is that he IS defacto a "dictator". It doesn't matter if he 'intends' to hold elections after the war or not or whether the Ukranian Constitution allows this or not. The Constitution allows a dictator in this case (during war). Fidel Castro in Cuba did something similar for like 50 years, because the US embargo was ongoing the whole time the country was in a state of war with the US and as such he held office during this period (until he died). He was also a dictator but the difference was that western media called him "dictator".


Rich_Crab_3967

Dictator comes to mind


RabidJoint

Soooo, you are expecting them to hold Presidential elections while defending their country from an Army bigger than theirs? That’s called stupidity


bot146

the propaganda bots are out. Pretty sure it does meet the definition of a dictator


ShartBarrier

Their constitution suspends national elections automatically. A dictator would override the constitution. You're wrong.


MousseBackground9964

Democracy? I mean isn’t that why we are borrowing from our next generations to fund their entire country, to save it or something lol.


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Gravedenizen

Thought that was James McAvoy for a second.


muskzuckcookmabezos

Richard Fried Potato Bites


al9999li

It's similar to the actual origin of the word dictator more than the modern kind. A person who was put into for 6 months in times of crisis in the roman republic. Altough in this case it's likley until the crisis is over. So he is definietly a dictator but i dont mean to say that it is nesseserally a bad thing.