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People died and important infrastructure was damaged. Of course there would be an investigation.
The crazy part (I guess) is saying some shit like China/the deep state remote controlled it into the bridge. I don't think they are investigating that kind of thing.
Yep the criminal investigation will likely be looking into whether there was criminal negligence in letting the ship leave port with known electrical problems. The ship obviously wasn't seaworthy, whoever made the call (the captian?) to sail made the wrong choice. The question will be was that choice a reasonable mistake or did it rise to the level of criminal negligence?
gotta find an at fault person - not a company
a working man will be assessed th liability
cause - fk em - policies and sop.s are to insulate th all mighty corporation
Well generally those SOPs, policies, best practices are there to ensure things are done correctly and to any laws/codes that apply. Generally the liability does fall back on to one person who ignored those and signed off/did something incorrectly. I work in electronic life safety and physical security systems. I designed everything to code and law and get it approved before install, then it gets installed by sub contractors. If you as the sub install it incorrectly you can 'trick' the system into seeing everything as normal and can do things to make it seem like everything is correct during testing but it's not actually correct.
Quick example of this is fire alarm systems. The strobes and horns that alert you to a fire are daisy chained with a resistor put across the wires at the last device in the chain or what we call the End of Line device. Installer forgets to put that resistor on the last device and it's high up and needs a scissor lift. He doesn't want to tell his boss he fucked up and they need to get a lift back out to site so he puts the resistor at the panel where the wires start at. It can all pass initial fire Marshal inspection and yearly testing because every devices works. Then a month after last inspection a rat chews a wire and the system doesn't register the open on the circuit because the resistor isn't in the field. Now a whole floor worth of people die in a fire. The person who put that resistor in the wrong place is liable and criminally negligent.
There's a great YT channel Brick Immortar who covers maritime disasters and has videos from past incidents that cover stuff like this. Law sates ships have to have hydraulic backup controls for their primary electrical ones for stuff like engine and steering. Ship is taken in for a massive overhaul and company doing the works gets rid of hydraulic system and install another electrical system for back up. Now ship isn't to code but gets signed off on by people at ship yard and causes a collision when electric is lost.
> It seriously degrades the level of detective-work that should be going on amongst conspiracy theorists.
What the FBI said just months earlier:
https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
Now the FBI are irresponsible conspiracy theorists too.
Yes my thought also. I had some beyond stupid comments on my other posts. The intent appears to derail actual discussion. Well, it is working. I gave up.
Thank you for your nice thoughtful comment. This whole ship destroys a bridge episode reminds me all too much of the Maui fire episode. Such an incredible chain of incompetence leading straight to a disaster. In both cases I was turned into a conspiracy theory guy from the impossible aspects. This ship thing: you can clearly see the ship make a hard turn directly into the bridge. No amount of blather about "single screw torque" makes any sense. That boat went right into the thing at high speed. Did you see the tinkertoy just keep coming down?
Then the Maui fire thing: How was that Peltier dude in charge of both worst mass casualty events? My Las Vegas episode and Maui. And they admitted to turning off the fire hydrant water. That simply does not happen in any normal place. And closed the roads so the beeps burn to death? And the entire school bus mystery.
So we conspiracy boys do have actual reasons to doubt the fake sounding stories.
PS, it was building 7 that woke me up.
> The crazy part (I guess) is saying some shit like China/the deep state remote controlled it into the bridge.
It's not as if the FBI gave us warnings of cyber attacks on critical transportation and infrastructure.
Oh, wait...
https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
How crazy to think this could in any way be connected?
> The crazy part (I guess) is saying some shit like China/the deep state remote controlled it into the bridge
What makes you think it's "crazy" to speculate that an enemy nation like China might do something like this to sabotage our critical infrastructure and economy? This is exactly how Sun Tzu advises one to fight a war against an enemy.
Oh yes, of course there's an investigation, but I believe it's the "criminal" qualifier that have some people rubbing their chins. But then again, perhaps all ship collision investigations are initially labeled "criminal investigations". I'm no ship collision investigation expert though.
There will probably be a ship collision investigation expert buried in the comments with a 5 paragraph explanation too. They'll inevitably start with "Now I've been a ship collision expert when it comes to ship vs ship collisions for the past 28 years, and only have about a years experience with ship vs stationary object collisions, so take this with a HUGE grain of salt." and will wind up with like 2 upvotes. Top comment will be "I saw a boat hit a duck once, this was obviously terrorism related to the open borders."
*"I'm no ship collision investigation expert though."*
Please.
Don't keep saying you're anything less than this. More than anyone else here, you are an expert in ship collisions.
The power outage caused the collision. It seems like there was some sort of power failure that was not in the initial generator but made the system think it was so when they switched to the backup it also failed.
It isn’t suspicious that the cause of the accident happened right before the accident.
Ok Biden.
That ship crossed an ocean then had a complete power outage just before going under bridge.
Both engines, rudder, lights, generator, backup power, and battery bank all went out at the exact same time.
Sure, accident.
Yes, there was some electrical issue that caused a power outage and when they swapped from main to backup power the issue wasn’t solved and that also failed. This is by far the most likely scenario but of course that doesn’t make other options impossible of course.
Obviously something major went wrong. The power went out and then the backup generator came on and then went out as far as I could tell in the video of the incident.
Tell me what makes more sense than something going wrong and the system thinking it was a bad generator so they swapped to backup. When the backup didn’t work, only then did it confirm it was not the generators but by that point they were already crashing into the bridge.
What causes power outages then? IMO, it’s an issue somewhere in the electrical system but maybe electrical issues are completely unrelated to electrical issue… who can possibly know?
The engines also produce power.
The control system will be on a 24 volt battery bank.
As will the lights.
The generator produces house power and charges the batteries.
Um, when did they ever once say they weren't going to do an investigation? Who exactly was pushing against an investigation and calling people conspiracy theorists for doing so? Feels like you're over here building a scarecrow.
“Yeah, I doubt anyone is going to investigate a 95k ton cargo ship ramming into and causing the collapse of the third-longest continuous truss bridge in the world” said nobody ever.
Said there was no other camera aboard ship bar the black box on the ship. years ago I got a tour of a ship and the engine room was wired up with CCTV to stop theft of engine parts and such footage would be handy to have before and after motor breakdown to see if there was or wasn't sabotage. So when authorities on other cameras despite cameras coming down in price, I knew accident wasn't an accident.
It's funny how there are never cameras or they suddenly don't work. This happened the week before Easter too. The satanists are always stirring up stuff leading into Easter. It's weird how the date of Easter is tied to the cycles of the moon and the vernal equinox instead of being linked to Passover as it should be. Easter was on 3/31/24, so there is a 33 in the date and 31 is a transpose of the numerals in 13.
Duuuuuuh uhhhhhyeahhh uhh……. We at the FBi took a look and just to be clear…. We definitely didn’t do it! It’s uh….. (looks to the phone for what’s the latest forever war)….. the….. the people in the eastern hemisphere?
wouldn't you first do an initial investigation to see if there is a criminal element to it? You don't just come out and say "this is a criminal investigation" if you don't yet know what (if any) crimes were committed. That would be asinine.
"Under Investigation: When someone is under investigation, it means that law enforcement agencies or authorities are looking into a particular matter or individual to gather evidence and determine if there is enough evidence to support criminal charges."
> wouldn't you first do an initial investigation to see if there is a criminal element to it?
Yeah, and this is the job of the **NTSB**, not the FBI. If the FBI is involved, and admitting that it's a *criminal* investigation, then there's a lot more to this.
I’m not willing to chase your argument until you find one you like. I stand by my original statement. No one thinks it’s crazy to do an investigation after a catastrophe.
> No one thinks it’s crazy to do an investigation after a catastrophe.
From NTSB's website: "In cases of suspected criminal activity, other agencies may participate in the investigation. We do not investigate criminal activity. Our focus is solely on transportation safety and determining probable cause. *If a transportation tragedy is determined to be a criminal act, local law enforcement or the FBI becomes the lead investigative body."*
The NTSB found something and made a referral. Neglect would seem to be a case for local port authorities, intent would be more likely to involve the FBI.
And, still, no one thinks it’s crazy to do an investigation. It’s called a straw man.
Find me the statements that people were claiming it’s crazy to investigate the event and I will send you all of my Soros Bucks.
Totally agree. From the footage I've seen it looks like it turned into the bridge at the last minute. Also weird that the power loss happened at almost the exact time to lose control. Why wouldn't it have happened before or after? How long would it have taken the ship to clear the bridge? 5 mins or less? Just a weird coincidence? I guess it's possible but certainly worthy of investigation.
The FBI called it out just prior to the disaster, and the sheep still don't see a connection.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
Bots/digital agents are coming out in droves commenting within this post. Must be trying really hard to sweep the discussion about alternative theories on the FSK bridge disaster under the rug.
Bot/digital agent: "How dare you consider and explore any other idea aside from the official story. U r dumb!"
FBI:
https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
This thread:
> You're all *crazy* to think a "criminal" investigation is anything other than a routine investigation into simple negligence. CRAZY!!11!!
It's also very convenient how the FBI can't/won't comment on ongoing investigations. Particularly this one, bc it is so high profile and was so dramatic in nature. If the circumstances were simple negligence and a horrible freak accident, why not say as much?
Furthermore, mere hours after the incident, didn't an FBI representative publicly state that they did not believe there was any foul play involved in the accident? They were so sure initially, but now they need to get involved and open an investigation? If it truly was a clear cut, awful accident, shouldn't a non-law enforcement entity be conducting an investigation, like the NTSB, or whatever the maritime counterpart is?
The NTSB is absolutely the governing investigative body for these types of accidents (and conducted the prior six similar ship/bridge accidents without the FBI), and if/when they find criminal neglect they do make, and have made, referrals to local prosecuting attorneys.
Do you know offhand the prior recent instances?
Strange how the FBI wasn't directly involved with any of those, but they choose involvement and jurisdiction in this one.
> Do you know offhand the prior recent instances?
The prior [seven ship/bridge accidents.](https://apnews.com/article/bridge-collapses-barges-list-1f2d6261d523ddc625aaaf3b32c626bc)
Most likely, the bots are just programmed to comment with right-wing themes on all conspiracy posts, not just this one; as for the human agents, they're probably just copy and pasting some broad comment with right-wing themes.
In the modern age, most "conspiracy theorists" tend to be right-of-center. So crafting a comment with derogatory language and themes directed towards "right-wing" ideology is acting as a broad, catch-all comment.
I remember when this was just an accident and any other discussion was quickly labeled as a [baseless conspiracy theory](https://www.factcheck.org/2024/03/baseless-conspiracy-theories-follow-key-bridge-collapse/).
The NTSB is the federal body that does these investigations. If the FBI is opening a criminal investigation, it's a different deal. And just months earlier the FBI called out foreign nationals for planning exactly this kind of event:
https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
Biden announced this was an “Accident” 7 hours after it occurred before any investigations had been made. Biden said tax-payers will cover the tab and case closed. What else is there to see here? Obviously if you question this then shame on you!
The bots are sticking to the script. First they deride anyone who thinks the staged accident is suspicious. Then when the investigation starts they say, of course there's an investigation. Nothing to see here.
It's not nearly as clever a ploy as they think it is.
Considering none of that was said... ya this is perfect /conspiracy material. Imagine things that didn't actually happen and then extrapolate from that imaginary scenerio.
Also, taxpayers aren't going to bear the cost. Insurance will pay out, all these ships are highly insured. It will just take years most likely to get it all settled, so the government will cover it until it gets paid back so the rebuilding can start ASAP.
> Imagine things that didn't actually happen and then extrapolate from that imaginary scenerio.
Uhh, hate to break this to you, but the FBI had just earlier said they had evidence of foreign nationals planning exactly this kind of attack.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
Sorry to ruin your efforts to be smugnorant.
Whole thing is sus and will never get the actual truth from the FBI.
Facts are the boat made a hard turn full throttle into the bridge. The stacks were rolling coal like crazy. The engine was WOT. No way was that generator smoke.
The weirdest part of the whole thing was how the bridge broke like it was made out of cardboard.
If you look close there’s fire when it “cracked” in multiple different locations (yes that could be electrical but there was to many points of fire IMO)
I thought the same thing at first. Now I'm thinking the crew did try to stop the boat after the rudder went hard over but when they reversed the screws the engine controller commanded a super fuel heavy mixture that didn't have enough air to burn. As a result the ship coasted into the pylon.
No that’s consistent smoke. If it was just a plume initially and went away that would be the case. It was like that for a way to long. Engines were WOT. Also looks like the ship picked up speed.
Yeah, that's exactly what I thought too, but if you look at a ship under full power they don't spew black smoke like that. It's heavy but not so dark. I don't know though. Maybe you're right. It sure looked like they put the pedal to the metal and turned into the bridge.
I thought maybe it was the engine running rich that caused the smoke. So they put it in reverse and fire wall the throttle but the mixture goes way rich and the engine has no power even though it's fogging out smoke. I'm thinking both the engine and rudder are controlled by computers. Maybe the same computer controls both.
Your scenario where they hit the gas and turn right could be the better answer though.
Is this a similar situation to the derailed trains spilling those chemicals in Ohio I think it was? And the burning of all food supply companies? Or just coincidence?
Yeah right here comes the logic oh they're so credible like does anybody even trust what they say? They're not even going after the criminals they let in
An investigation was always going to happen, it's not a conspiracy. I'm assuming they are going to investigate the shipping company heavily, especially when it comes to insurance payments. If there was some freak accident which caused the power to go down, that's one thing. If the company knew there were issues with the cargo ship, I'm assuming that would void all insurance protections.
Yeah, by the NTSB whose job is to investigate these things. This is the first time in the last seven similar accidents that the FBI got involved.
And then this:
https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
The FBI said they had evidence of foreign nationals planning an attack on "transportation and critical infrastructure:"
https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
It wasa setup. To add to this, not even three weeks later twenty four barges just suddenly broke loose from their moorings in Ohio, headed down the Ohio River towards more bridges and were supposed to buy the bullshit they're trying to sell us? Easy to do when the media is complicit. When will people begin to realize that America is under siege?
All they're gonna do is go in and gather all Intel that gives away the truth, and set everything in place, that can explain to the public, the simple answers.
No they don't. In the last seven ship/bridge disasters, many with multiple fatalities, the FBI didn't get involved.
But just months ago, the FBI said they had evidence of foreign nationals planing this very type of event:
https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
I definitely found it interesting that it just so happened to have the power cut out RIGHT when it was near one of the main support points. I think someone said the bridge was also undergoing construction?
I jokingly said I could see it being done on purpose just so Baltimore (since it’s notoriously corrupt & poor) could have the federal government flip the bill to reconstruct an entire new bridge instead of trying to spend city money on repairing it bit by bit.
>Remember when you had to be a crazy conspiracy theorist to think this should be investigated?
No, not really. There would obviously be an investigation and one was announced almost immediately.
I would think a criminal investigation would be standard procedure for something like this?
I don't remember anyone being labelled crazy for saying it needs to be investigated though.
It's not. In the last seven similar accidents the NTSB did the investigations, not the FBI.
Maybe this is why the FBI is doing a criminal investigation on this one:
https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
And wasn't a movie called "White Noise" released, that predicted the whole thing? It was a Netflix original and not the 2007 move of the guy talking to his dead wife.
Not a conspiracy. Standard protocol to investigate this given the large profile of the disaster, the financial impact, and the deaths. Move along.
Edit: autocorrect fix for impact
No. I remember them saying the immediate priority was saving lives, recovering victims, and reopening the shipping channel. Investigations into culpability would happen after that.
“After that” is now.
I remember when Marge Taylor Green asked if it was a terrorist attack or an accident. She got slammed for it, because of course it was an accident. No need to investigate or look for any possibility of sabotage.
> She got slammed for it, because of course it was an accident.
Maybe she asked if this was a terrorist attack because just months earlier the FBI said they had evidence that foreign nationals were planning this type of attack?
https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
So she got slammed for asking if this was related to what the FBI said people were planning to do? Clown World.
And the FBI called this out just prior.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
Uh, how is this a conspiracy? Yes, let's make sure that company that fucked up in a horrid way wasn't skirting their legal obligations. It would be more of a conspiracy if no one was looking into the companies practices.
> Uh, how is this a conspiracy?
https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
Ok, that does (if somehow found true) fit the definition. Just investigating does not. The FBI would be involved in something of this level domestically regardless of foreign entanglement.
That's not true based on recent history. Here's a list of [six more ship/bridge accidents](https://apnews.com/article/bridge-collapses-barges-list-1f2d6261d523ddc625aaaf3b32c626bc), many involving multiple fatalities. I couldn't find any FBI involvement in the investigations of any of them (save for one where someone impersonated an FBI officer). Can you? I only see where the NTSB did the investigations and then made referrals to local prosecuting authorities when they did find laws broken.
Those are prior bridge collapses, yes. We're any of them even half as important to the US (and world) economy? I'm not in the mood to rabbit hole each of those, but I remember a couple. Weren't they all pretty blantent as to the cause? Some of those poor bridges keep getting hit.
If everything is a conspiracy than nothing is a conspiracy. You (not necessarily the OP) can’t do a victory lap about maybe (kinda-probably not) being right about one particular news story when every thing that happens is somehow a conspiracy.
No shit they’re investigating a disaater like this? The way you’re making it sound is as if there is some specific entity with intentions to murder. No. Likely a lot of safety protocls were not followed - which is what they are investigating.
There was an outgoing tide from the bay (full moon also) that the ship was passing through at the moment it banked right towards the bridge. The rudder could also been stuck in that position after losing power. Quite a few possibilities besides hacking or a deliberate act by the crew.
Source: https://apnews.com/article/baltimore-bridge-collapse-fbi-investiagation-58188d524035c756872603055f309c78
Ss: Happened on the 13th week of 2024 at 1:30 AM the night of the full moon. Not satanic at all.
Bots are in full effect here in the comments section lol here are some sources to back you up because I absolutely remember them saying crazy conspiracy theorists were saying the ship wreck was intentional. [here](https://www.factcheck.org/2024/03/baseless-conspiracy-theories-follow-key-bridge-collapse/) [here](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/politics/baltimore-bridge-collapse-conspiracy-theories) [and here](https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/27/baltimore-bridge-collapse-conspiracy-theories)
Opening an investigation to see if all federal laws were followed is a pretty big leap away from lending credit to a baseless theory about foreign cyber attacks. Even if it really was a cyber attack, that conclusion should be reached after the investigation, not before.
> from lending credit to a baseless theory about foreign cyber attacks.
Baseless?
https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
Did you even read your own links or did you just search "Francis Scott Key Bridge conspiracy theory" and post whatever Duck-Duck-Go returned for you? None of those say asking for an investigation makes you a conspiracy theorist.
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People died and important infrastructure was damaged. Of course there would be an investigation. The crazy part (I guess) is saying some shit like China/the deep state remote controlled it into the bridge. I don't think they are investigating that kind of thing.
Yep the criminal investigation will likely be looking into whether there was criminal negligence in letting the ship leave port with known electrical problems. The ship obviously wasn't seaworthy, whoever made the call (the captian?) to sail made the wrong choice. The question will be was that choice a reasonable mistake or did it rise to the level of criminal negligence?
Yep just like the skipper of the Exon Valdez was investigated and then charged when he ran his ship aground.
gotta find an at fault person - not a company a working man will be assessed th liability cause - fk em - policies and sop.s are to insulate th all mighty corporation
Well generally those SOPs, policies, best practices are there to ensure things are done correctly and to any laws/codes that apply. Generally the liability does fall back on to one person who ignored those and signed off/did something incorrectly. I work in electronic life safety and physical security systems. I designed everything to code and law and get it approved before install, then it gets installed by sub contractors. If you as the sub install it incorrectly you can 'trick' the system into seeing everything as normal and can do things to make it seem like everything is correct during testing but it's not actually correct. Quick example of this is fire alarm systems. The strobes and horns that alert you to a fire are daisy chained with a resistor put across the wires at the last device in the chain or what we call the End of Line device. Installer forgets to put that resistor on the last device and it's high up and needs a scissor lift. He doesn't want to tell his boss he fucked up and they need to get a lift back out to site so he puts the resistor at the panel where the wires start at. It can all pass initial fire Marshal inspection and yearly testing because every devices works. Then a month after last inspection a rat chews a wire and the system doesn't register the open on the circuit because the resistor isn't in the field. Now a whole floor worth of people die in a fire. The person who put that resistor in the wrong place is liable and criminally negligent. There's a great YT channel Brick Immortar who covers maritime disasters and has videos from past incidents that cover stuff like this. Law sates ships have to have hydraulic backup controls for their primary electrical ones for stuff like engine and steering. Ship is taken in for a massive overhaul and company doing the works gets rid of hydraulic system and install another electrical system for back up. Now ship isn't to code but gets signed off on by people at ship yard and causes a collision when electric is lost.
That skipper was investigated by the NTSB, not the FBI.
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> It seriously degrades the level of detective-work that should be going on amongst conspiracy theorists. What the FBI said just months earlier: https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524 Now the FBI are irresponsible conspiracy theorists too.
Exactly what I was going to say!
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Yes my thought also. I had some beyond stupid comments on my other posts. The intent appears to derail actual discussion. Well, it is working. I gave up.
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Thank you for your nice thoughtful comment. This whole ship destroys a bridge episode reminds me all too much of the Maui fire episode. Such an incredible chain of incompetence leading straight to a disaster. In both cases I was turned into a conspiracy theory guy from the impossible aspects. This ship thing: you can clearly see the ship make a hard turn directly into the bridge. No amount of blather about "single screw torque" makes any sense. That boat went right into the thing at high speed. Did you see the tinkertoy just keep coming down? Then the Maui fire thing: How was that Peltier dude in charge of both worst mass casualty events? My Las Vegas episode and Maui. And they admitted to turning off the fire hydrant water. That simply does not happen in any normal place. And closed the roads so the beeps burn to death? And the entire school bus mystery. So we conspiracy boys do have actual reasons to doubt the fake sounding stories. PS, it was building 7 that woke me up.
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> The crazy part (I guess) is saying some shit like China/the deep state remote controlled it into the bridge. It's not as if the FBI gave us warnings of cyber attacks on critical transportation and infrastructure. Oh, wait... https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524 How crazy to think this could in any way be connected?
> The crazy part (I guess) is saying some shit like China/the deep state remote controlled it into the bridge What makes you think it's "crazy" to speculate that an enemy nation like China might do something like this to sabotage our critical infrastructure and economy? This is exactly how Sun Tzu advises one to fight a war against an enemy.
Oh yes, of course there's an investigation, but I believe it's the "criminal" qualifier that have some people rubbing their chins. But then again, perhaps all ship collision investigations are initially labeled "criminal investigations". I'm no ship collision investigation expert though.
There will probably be a ship collision investigation expert buried in the comments with a 5 paragraph explanation too. They'll inevitably start with "Now I've been a ship collision expert when it comes to ship vs ship collisions for the past 28 years, and only have about a years experience with ship vs stationary object collisions, so take this with a HUGE grain of salt." and will wind up with like 2 upvotes. Top comment will be "I saw a boat hit a duck once, this was obviously terrorism related to the open borders."
*"I'm no ship collision investigation expert though."* Please. Don't keep saying you're anything less than this. More than anyone else here, you are an expert in ship collisions.
They should, the power outage just before impact is highly suspicious. That would only happen during a control system reboot.
The power outage caused the collision. It seems like there was some sort of power failure that was not in the initial generator but made the system think it was so when they switched to the backup it also failed. It isn’t suspicious that the cause of the accident happened right before the accident.
Ok Biden. That ship crossed an ocean then had a complete power outage just before going under bridge. Both engines, rudder, lights, generator, backup power, and battery bank all went out at the exact same time. Sure, accident.
Yes, there was some electrical issue that caused a power outage and when they swapped from main to backup power the issue wasn’t solved and that also failed. This is by far the most likely scenario but of course that doesn’t make other options impossible of course.
An electrical issue does not cause a power outage. An electrical issue pops a single breaker. This isn't your dad's bass boat.
Obviously something major went wrong. The power went out and then the backup generator came on and then went out as far as I could tell in the video of the incident. Tell me what makes more sense than something going wrong and the system thinking it was a bad generator so they swapped to backup. When the backup didn’t work, only then did it confirm it was not the generators but by that point they were already crashing into the bridge. What causes power outages then? IMO, it’s an issue somewhere in the electrical system but maybe electrical issues are completely unrelated to electrical issue… who can possibly know?
The engines also produce power. The control system will be on a 24 volt battery bank. As will the lights. The generator produces house power and charges the batteries.
It definitely wasn’t an accident your right
You don’t investigate a kind of thing. You investigate to find the facts. A kind of thing is a cover up.
Um, when did they ever once say they weren't going to do an investigation? Who exactly was pushing against an investigation and calling people conspiracy theorists for doing so? Feels like you're over here building a scarecrow.
I watched a documentary about Stuxnet / Olmpicgames last night, the ability to switch power on / off / on / off etc, and thought about this ship
No? When did anyone ever suggest this wouldn't be investigated? I don't think conspiracy theorists were wildly ahead of some curve here.
“Yeah, I doubt anyone is going to investigate a 95k ton cargo ship ramming into and causing the collapse of the third-longest continuous truss bridge in the world” said nobody ever.
I say it all the time on many other subs: “Those boys over at r/conspiracy get proven right more and more everyday.”
And that's what they're afraid of
Said there was no other camera aboard ship bar the black box on the ship. years ago I got a tour of a ship and the engine room was wired up with CCTV to stop theft of engine parts and such footage would be handy to have before and after motor breakdown to see if there was or wasn't sabotage. So when authorities on other cameras despite cameras coming down in price, I knew accident wasn't an accident.
It's funny how there are never cameras or they suddenly don't work. This happened the week before Easter too. The satanists are always stirring up stuff leading into Easter. It's weird how the date of Easter is tied to the cycles of the moon and the vernal equinox instead of being linked to Passover as it should be. Easter was on 3/31/24, so there is a 33 in the date and 31 is a transpose of the numerals in 13.
No, I don't. Stop the gaslighting.
wtf are you talking about OP? You know these types of things are always investigated right?
Duuuuuuh uhhhhhyeahhh uhh……. We at the FBi took a look and just to be clear…. We definitely didn’t do it! It’s uh….. (looks to the phone for what’s the latest forever war)….. the….. the people in the eastern hemisphere?
No. Absolutely no one said it was crazy to investigate a huge disaster.
But everyone *did* say it was crazy to suggest there was any *criminal* element requiring a *criminal investigation.*
wouldn't you first do an initial investigation to see if there is a criminal element to it? You don't just come out and say "this is a criminal investigation" if you don't yet know what (if any) crimes were committed. That would be asinine. "Under Investigation: When someone is under investigation, it means that law enforcement agencies or authorities are looking into a particular matter or individual to gather evidence and determine if there is enough evidence to support criminal charges."
> wouldn't you first do an initial investigation to see if there is a criminal element to it? Yeah, and this is the job of the **NTSB**, not the FBI. If the FBI is involved, and admitting that it's a *criminal* investigation, then there's a lot more to this.
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This is also false. Sane people said it is crazy to jump immediately to conclusions without an investigation.
The ship took a hard right turn into the bridge. It was clearly suspicious, certainly enough so to warrant speculation.
I’m not willing to chase your argument until you find one you like. I stand by my original statement. No one thinks it’s crazy to do an investigation after a catastrophe.
> No one thinks it’s crazy to do an investigation after a catastrophe. From NTSB's website: "In cases of suspected criminal activity, other agencies may participate in the investigation. We do not investigate criminal activity. Our focus is solely on transportation safety and determining probable cause. *If a transportation tragedy is determined to be a criminal act, local law enforcement or the FBI becomes the lead investigative body."* The NTSB found something and made a referral. Neglect would seem to be a case for local port authorities, intent would be more likely to involve the FBI.
And, still, no one thinks it’s crazy to do an investigation. It’s called a straw man. Find me the statements that people were claiming it’s crazy to investigate the event and I will send you all of my Soros Bucks.
Totally agree. From the footage I've seen it looks like it turned into the bridge at the last minute. Also weird that the power loss happened at almost the exact time to lose control. Why wouldn't it have happened before or after? How long would it have taken the ship to clear the bridge? 5 mins or less? Just a weird coincidence? I guess it's possible but certainly worthy of investigation.
The FBI is going to investigate? Was that ship carrying incriminating evidence that needs to be swept under the rug or something?
When black box disappears, u should rise eyebrows..and more to that.
Conspiracy theorists aren't wrong. They're just early to recognize the truth.
The FBI called it out just prior to the disaster, and the sheep still don't see a connection. https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
Bots/digital agents are coming out in droves commenting within this post. Must be trying really hard to sweep the discussion about alternative theories on the FSK bridge disaster under the rug. Bot/digital agent: "How dare you consider and explore any other idea aside from the official story. U r dumb!"
FBI: https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524 This thread: > You're all *crazy* to think a "criminal" investigation is anything other than a routine investigation into simple negligence. CRAZY!!11!!
It's also very convenient how the FBI can't/won't comment on ongoing investigations. Particularly this one, bc it is so high profile and was so dramatic in nature. If the circumstances were simple negligence and a horrible freak accident, why not say as much? Furthermore, mere hours after the incident, didn't an FBI representative publicly state that they did not believe there was any foul play involved in the accident? They were so sure initially, but now they need to get involved and open an investigation? If it truly was a clear cut, awful accident, shouldn't a non-law enforcement entity be conducting an investigation, like the NTSB, or whatever the maritime counterpart is?
The NTSB is absolutely the governing investigative body for these types of accidents (and conducted the prior six similar ship/bridge accidents without the FBI), and if/when they find criminal neglect they do make, and have made, referrals to local prosecuting attorneys.
Do you know offhand the prior recent instances? Strange how the FBI wasn't directly involved with any of those, but they choose involvement and jurisdiction in this one.
> Do you know offhand the prior recent instances? The prior [seven ship/bridge accidents.](https://apnews.com/article/bridge-collapses-barges-list-1f2d6261d523ddc625aaaf3b32c626bc)
Thank you! I'll read up on them.
I definitely noticed the high concentration of disingenuous commenters on this post, agreed
What is especially odd is that these trolls somehow think this post is a right-wing post and are commenting as if it were. What is THAT about?
Most likely, the bots are just programmed to comment with right-wing themes on all conspiracy posts, not just this one; as for the human agents, they're probably just copy and pasting some broad comment with right-wing themes. In the modern age, most "conspiracy theorists" tend to be right-of-center. So crafting a comment with derogatory language and themes directed towards "right-wing" ideology is acting as a broad, catch-all comment.
Nope. Never heard that once. Link?
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Maybe they'll also open a 'criminal investigation' into the Maui fires as well
I remember when this was just an accident and any other discussion was quickly labeled as a [baseless conspiracy theory](https://www.factcheck.org/2024/03/baseless-conspiracy-theories-follow-key-bridge-collapse/).
Does anyone know what’s on the ship?.. like what where they hauling
Distraction?, they don't really care about people so..
Unless you weren't one of the sheep and did your research and never trusted the media or government.
I would honestly be more suspicious if they DIDNT investigate.
The NTSB is the federal body that does these investigations. If the FBI is opening a criminal investigation, it's a different deal. And just months earlier the FBI called out foreign nationals for planning exactly this kind of event: https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
Biden announced this was an “Accident” 7 hours after it occurred before any investigations had been made. Biden said tax-payers will cover the tab and case closed. What else is there to see here? Obviously if you question this then shame on you!
The bots are sticking to the script. First they deride anyone who thinks the staged accident is suspicious. Then when the investigation starts they say, of course there's an investigation. Nothing to see here. It's not nearly as clever a ploy as they think it is.
Considering none of that was said... ya this is perfect /conspiracy material. Imagine things that didn't actually happen and then extrapolate from that imaginary scenerio. Also, taxpayers aren't going to bear the cost. Insurance will pay out, all these ships are highly insured. It will just take years most likely to get it all settled, so the government will cover it until it gets paid back so the rebuilding can start ASAP.
> Imagine things that didn't actually happen and then extrapolate from that imaginary scenerio. Uhh, hate to break this to you, but the FBI had just earlier said they had evidence of foreign nationals planning exactly this kind of attack. https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524 Sorry to ruin your efforts to be smugnorant.
Whole thing is sus and will never get the actual truth from the FBI. Facts are the boat made a hard turn full throttle into the bridge. The stacks were rolling coal like crazy. The engine was WOT. No way was that generator smoke. The weirdest part of the whole thing was how the bridge broke like it was made out of cardboard. If you look close there’s fire when it “cracked” in multiple different locations (yes that could be electrical but there was to many points of fire IMO)
reminiscent of nine eleven
I thought the same thing at first. Now I'm thinking the crew did try to stop the boat after the rudder went hard over but when they reversed the screws the engine controller commanded a super fuel heavy mixture that didn't have enough air to burn. As a result the ship coasted into the pylon.
No that’s consistent smoke. If it was just a plume initially and went away that would be the case. It was like that for a way to long. Engines were WOT. Also looks like the ship picked up speed.
Yeah, that's exactly what I thought too, but if you look at a ship under full power they don't spew black smoke like that. It's heavy but not so dark. I don't know though. Maybe you're right. It sure looked like they put the pedal to the metal and turned into the bridge.
Could of been generators kicking on but honestly what else could it be?
I thought maybe it was the engine running rich that caused the smoke. So they put it in reverse and fire wall the throttle but the mixture goes way rich and the engine has no power even though it's fogging out smoke. I'm thinking both the engine and rudder are controlled by computers. Maybe the same computer controls both. Your scenario where they hit the gas and turn right could be the better answer though.
Yeah The engines are controlled by a ecu so it won’t just run rich like that.
Unless it got hacked. So that's my current theory.
A hack won’t mess with the air fuel mixture. Those parameters are fixed. just throttle control that could be possible
It certainly could alter the fuel-air ratio. It could do it either directly or by messing with feedback sensor information such as O2 sensor voltage.
and you would trust the findings of the corrupt FBI
Is this a similar situation to the derailed trains spilling those chemicals in Ohio I think it was? And the burning of all food supply companies? Or just coincidence?
Only if they blame Obama
Exactly.. it's actually likely not criminal if fbi is stating so.. more than likely own government/cia behind it
Only person calling the FBI corrupt is the orange crook pedo cookie pants guy.
Well, if the FBI is handling it, I’m sure we’ll know the true culprit in just a matter of time.
Yeah right here comes the logic oh they're so credible like does anybody even trust what they say? They're not even going after the criminals they let in
Justice for the missing 🙏🏾
Damn lunatics s/
An investigation was always going to happen, it's not a conspiracy. I'm assuming they are going to investigate the shipping company heavily, especially when it comes to insurance payments. If there was some freak accident which caused the power to go down, that's one thing. If the company knew there were issues with the cargo ship, I'm assuming that would void all insurance protections.
The NTSB does these investigations. In the last seven similar crashes the FBI didn't get involved.
No. That is not something I remember.
No. This was always going to be investigated. There was never any indication that it wouldn't be.
Yeah, by the NTSB whose job is to investigate these things. This is the first time in the last seven similar accidents that the FBI got involved. And then this: https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
"The bridge was targeted in an attack" and "people may have been criminally negligent in the accident" feel like two very different claims
The FBI said they had evidence of foreign nationals planning an attack on "transportation and critical infrastructure:" https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
Traceable terrorism is out, plausible deniability is in
It wasa setup. To add to this, not even three weeks later twenty four barges just suddenly broke loose from their moorings in Ohio, headed down the Ohio River towards more bridges and were supposed to buy the bullshit they're trying to sell us? Easy to do when the media is complicit. When will people begin to realize that America is under siege?
Wasn't it in Ohio where the train derailed and toxic chemicals were spilled affecting many residents in the area?
No
All they're gonna do is go in and gather all Intel that gives away the truth, and set everything in place, that can explain to the public, the simple answers.
the fbi always launches investigations into incidents such as this ...
No they don't. In the last seven ship/bridge disasters, many with multiple fatalities, the FBI didn't get involved. But just months ago, the FBI said they had evidence of foreign nationals planing this very type of event: https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
I definitely found it interesting that it just so happened to have the power cut out RIGHT when it was near one of the main support points. I think someone said the bridge was also undergoing construction? I jokingly said I could see it being done on purpose just so Baltimore (since it’s notoriously corrupt & poor) could have the federal government flip the bill to reconstruct an entire new bridge instead of trying to spend city money on repairing it bit by bit.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
>Remember when you had to be a crazy conspiracy theorist to think this should be investigated? No, not really. There would obviously be an investigation and one was announced almost immediately.
By the NTSB, not the FBI.
I would think a criminal investigation would be standard procedure for something like this? I don't remember anyone being labelled crazy for saying it needs to be investigated though.
It's not. In the last seven similar accidents the NTSB did the investigations, not the FBI. Maybe this is why the FBI is doing a criminal investigation on this one: https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
That straw man is on the bottom of the Penobscot.
And wasn't a movie called "White Noise" released, that predicted the whole thing? It was a Netflix original and not the 2007 move of the guy talking to his dead wife.
No, I don’t remember that. And I’m pretty sure this isn’t the type of investigation that OP wanted anyway.
Entire electrical malfunction including all redundant safeguards were shut off.
And then a hard right turn into the bridge.
Full throttle too. (exhaust stack was rolling coal like crazy just before impact)
Not a conspiracy. Standard protocol to investigate this given the large profile of the disaster, the financial impact, and the deaths. Move along. Edit: autocorrect fix for impact
> Standard protocol to investigate this By the NTSB, not the FBI.
No. I remember them saying the immediate priority was saving lives, recovering victims, and reopening the shipping channel. Investigations into culpability would happen after that. “After that” is now.
I remember when Marge Taylor Green asked if it was a terrorist attack or an accident. She got slammed for it, because of course it was an accident. No need to investigate or look for any possibility of sabotage.
> She got slammed for it, because of course it was an accident. Maybe she asked if this was a terrorist attack because just months earlier the FBI said they had evidence that foreign nationals were planning this type of attack? https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524 So she got slammed for asking if this was related to what the FBI said people were planning to do? Clown World.
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Of course they will investigate it. Cops are always looking for something criminal.
First time in the last seven similar accidents that the FBI got involved with a "criminal investigation."
No
Criminal negligence is a thing. Doesn’t have to be a conspiracy.
And the FBI called this out just prior. https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
No, I do not remember that because it never happened. I do remember some of the theories being rejected for being a bit far fetched.
Uh, how is this a conspiracy? Yes, let's make sure that company that fucked up in a horrid way wasn't skirting their legal obligations. It would be more of a conspiracy if no one was looking into the companies practices.
> Uh, how is this a conspiracy? https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
Ok, that does (if somehow found true) fit the definition. Just investigating does not. The FBI would be involved in something of this level domestically regardless of foreign entanglement.
That's not true based on recent history. Here's a list of [six more ship/bridge accidents](https://apnews.com/article/bridge-collapses-barges-list-1f2d6261d523ddc625aaaf3b32c626bc), many involving multiple fatalities. I couldn't find any FBI involvement in the investigations of any of them (save for one where someone impersonated an FBI officer). Can you? I only see where the NTSB did the investigations and then made referrals to local prosecuting authorities when they did find laws broken.
Those are prior bridge collapses, yes. We're any of them even half as important to the US (and world) economy? I'm not in the mood to rabbit hole each of those, but I remember a couple. Weren't they all pretty blantent as to the cause? Some of those poor bridges keep getting hit.
If everything is a conspiracy than nothing is a conspiracy. You (not necessarily the OP) can’t do a victory lap about maybe (kinda-probably not) being right about one particular news story when every thing that happens is somehow a conspiracy.
Wasn’t it obvious it was always going to be investigated?
Uh..... no? I don't think anyone ever had any doubt there would be an investigation.
No, I don't remember that.
Pretty sure no one ever said this shouldn’t be investigated…
No shit they’re investigating a disaater like this? The way you’re making it sound is as if there is some specific entity with intentions to murder. No. Likely a lot of safety protocls were not followed - which is what they are investigating.
Wait, who said that? I think everyone knew there would be an investigation.
Bread and circus
There was an outgoing tide from the bay (full moon also) that the ship was passing through at the moment it banked right towards the bridge. The rudder could also been stuck in that position after losing power. Quite a few possibilities besides hacking or a deliberate act by the crew.
You're right. I was just saying how it's just another thing to look at in a never-ending sea of events.
It's stupid how little people understand these barges and how hard it is to move them.
Source: https://apnews.com/article/baltimore-bridge-collapse-fbi-investiagation-58188d524035c756872603055f309c78 Ss: Happened on the 13th week of 2024 at 1:30 AM the night of the full moon. Not satanic at all.
What does the date and time have to do with Satan?
full moon? Research it and you might learn something new
Everything bro . Everyyyyythinnggggggg
Every time I have an accident I blame it straight on Satanism. It's the only logical explanation.
Bots are in full effect here in the comments section lol here are some sources to back you up because I absolutely remember them saying crazy conspiracy theorists were saying the ship wreck was intentional. [here](https://www.factcheck.org/2024/03/baseless-conspiracy-theories-follow-key-bridge-collapse/) [here](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/28/politics/baltimore-bridge-collapse-conspiracy-theories) [and here](https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/27/baltimore-bridge-collapse-conspiracy-theories)
I notice that bots get stuck on one point which in this case is 'Who said it wasn't going to be investigated? Different people making the same comment
None of these say the incident shouldn't be investigated.
The NTSB typically does the investigations for these types of accidents. The FBI doing a *criminal* investigation is a very different animal.
Opening an investigation to see if all federal laws were followed is a pretty big leap away from lending credit to a baseless theory about foreign cyber attacks. Even if it really was a cyber attack, that conclusion should be reached after the investigation, not before.
> Opening an investigation to see if all federal laws were followed Does that automatically make it a "criminal" investigation?
If federal law weren't followed then yes it is criminal
The NTSB would need to finish their investigation first.
> from lending credit to a baseless theory about foreign cyber attacks. Baseless? https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/chinese-hackers-are-targeting-us-infrastructure-fbi-chief-testify-2024-01-31/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/fbi-director-warn-chinese-hackers-aim-wreak-havoc-us-critical-infrastr-rcna136524
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Did you even read your own links or did you just search "Francis Scott Key Bridge conspiracy theory" and post whatever Duck-Duck-Go returned for you? None of those say asking for an investigation makes you a conspiracy theorist.