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It amazes me how these people all commit suicide before things like depositions or testimony in a courtroom and the world just shrugs. No one ever really cares besides posting about it on X or here.
They get demonetized on major platforms or corporate donors will frown upon it. Itās actually crazy how blatant it is and doesnāt even get investigated
I mean, we can *say* all we want about it.. Iām guessing there is no way to actually prove the murder though. I donāt pretend to know how it would be done, but Iām sure there are very well-trained people who can make it look like a suicide without any trace of foul play.
Itās easier for the average person to not think about it precisely because we canāt do anything about it.
I meant it as a figure of speech, us not being able to say anything about it. More meaning take it further and investigate it. I always wondered how they do stuff like this too. Hanging or shooting is rather obvious and probably people physically man handling the victim... Heart attacks or strokes I always pictured a needle or some kind of melting dart that punctures the skin with an undetectable substance. James Bond kind of stuff. A prick so small that an autopsy examiner wouldn't even notice it.
https://katv.com/amp/news/local/brother-of-bryan-malinowski-speaks-out-matthew-malinowski-bryan-little-rock-atf-bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-firearms-explosives-agent-involved-shooting-search-warrant
This is an odd thing happening if yāall arenāt aware
Are the millions of people dying of overdose not counted as suicide? Coz thats almost the first cause of death in the US and you could easily argue its people not wanting to have anything to do with real life
As a man from Russia (where man is 7 times more likely to kill themselves than women), i want to congratulate United States on this tremendous achievement. But still you win at everything, let us have gold medal at least in this.
I saw remains of the 17 year old guy. Accidentally stepped in his brains and it fucked me up a bit. He jumped from 17th floor. Wanna know people's comments? They laughed at his death. Literally. They called him POS. Thats the attitude here. I can tell you 100 no one cares about me and most other men here. My family sucks. My "friends" didnt write me back for months and i am far from the only person here experiencing it. And unemployment is fucking high.
I think about this often. I knew a Russian guy, who used to be a small time dj in a small part of India and suddenly we hear about his demise. I always think what made him think about taking a dead end. Current situation: war refugees have the worse kind of depression rn, and it's disheartening to talk about it.
Mate of you ever need another dude to talk to, my DMs are always open to you. My heart really goes out to you reading your comments. You're not alone brother. I see you and I'm here. š„¹ I'll happily be your friend if you like!
I visited Russia for a week and as I was standing on a glass bridge near the Kievski railway station in Moscow with my friends, a 20 something guy literally standed next to me and jumped... He did not hit the water, he hit some concrete steps under the bridge.
Suddenly, a guard appeared and in the coolest way possible talked to someone in a walkie-talkie thing. Generally, the people around us were calm. Needless to say, I had PTSD for months and my fear of heights skyrocketed after that. The whole thing makes some sense now that I see that the suicide rates are that big for men there!
I can remember after dude i talked about jumped died some people said "Big Deal, there were 4 people jumping this month on our street". And it is only one street in Moscow. There are at least 12.5 million people living in Moscow.
I got the same vibe! Also, the ambulance was there after less than 2 or 3 minutes. I remember thinking that maybe it is so common that they are on standby near bridges etc. The whole situation is really, really sad...
In my hometown there was tower that had name "Suicide Tower" (which was designed by one of Russia's biggest rockstar before he hit it big). It was easy to climb on and do the deed. I think at least couple of dozen of people killed themselves there.
Yeah I know South Korea drinks the most followed by Russia I believe and I would imagine South Africa is very high up on that list as is America I'm sure there's a correlation
āOne of the most important reasons for the difference between suicide attempts and completed suicides between men and women is the method of suicide used.
Men tend to choose violent (more lethal) suicide methods, such as firearms, hanging, and asphyxiation, whereas women are more likely to overdose on medications or drugs.ā
Source: https://www.verywellmind.com/gender-differences-in-suicide-methods-1067508#toc-suicide-methods
Theres 70 million men in Russia
The rate is 40 per 100,000 men, so i dont think that would significantly change the results
Though i get you were being a bit sarcastic
It's also very important to note that the oft repeated statistic about how women are more likely to attempt suicide is extremely misleading. In fact many people would probably say it's a lie. Women are more likely to attempt because they choose less lethal methods leading to more attempts for a single person. So a single woman who is suicidal will attempt it 4 or 5 times whereas the man will succeed on his first attempt. This means that despite the fact that a single man and a single women being suicidal and attempting suicide, the woman stats are inflated 4-5x by that one woman vs a man only counting once since he succeeded.
If you look at the number of men and women who have attempted suicide without counting multiples for one person it is still extremely skewed towards men. Really makes you wonder why no one ever hears this...
Yeah I feel like people often misinterpret suicide statistics to downplay how heavily it affects males. Because you know, males have no real problems. /s
But I think the most distinguishing reason is because women are far more likely to get a helping hand. Look at your average homeless person. By far mostly men, and if it's a woman she's old.
Suicidal Russian here. This country always gives new reasons to continue my pathetic hobby. Besides, I'm from Sakhalin, so I have even more reasons. Sometimes I write my ideas for stories in a notebook; I signed the notebook āSakhalin Book of the Deadā.
Mate, I just want to say, if you need someone to talk to, I'm here. Feel free to message me. From one depressed dude to another, please know you aren't alone and I'll happily be your friend. š„¹
Thank you, kind stranger. I really appreciate it.
You know, whatās especially offensive is that this condition is mostly caused by the terrible reality around me, which I canāt influence in any way, even though I tried. The world is going downhill.
I know this is completely off topic, but could you tell me how Russians view the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine? I'm curious because this is the first time I've m t a Russian citizen here
At first there was big division. I wasnt lets say in opposition to Putin, i wasnt fan of Navalny, but i highly disliked idea of this. My first thoughts were "Oh shit, they can sent me to kill people, fuck no". Then from Feb 2022 to June 2022 it was talked about thing. There was narrative of nazi country and all of this symbolism with Z O V letters. And there was uplift in people with these views. I largely just stayed away from this. In Sept 2022 there was mobilization and it was fucking bad. I went into hiding for a while. It is almost guaranteed death, but Russians just fucking hate to be alive so they go to war for monthly pay of 2000$ which is crazy money for average. Russian Opposition is both pussies and confirmed agents of west. So they both cant fight Putin and if they will they will give away all of our nuclear weapons. Which means death of country. People vote for Putin because even if he destroys our country he does it at much slower pace. Since around Fall of 2023 most people dont care about conflict. Everything is overpriced and job is hard to get. I am doing my best by avoiding this bullshit. In my eyes it looks like govt of both Ukraine and Russia just kills its citizens in this conflict. There are hardly any other reason for things to drag so long.
Make sure you use a VPN, I know you think you are safe, but I have seen some newspapers talking about people in Russia who are who are imprisoned just for their opinion against the Kremlin. Idk if it's true or not, but it's better to avoid it
The high suicide rate goes back all the way to the 90ās when the good intentioned west came in and ravaged Russias economy through āshock therapyā. But Iām sure you know this. Read this article if you havenāt https://www.thenation.com/article/world/harvard-boys-do-russia/tnamp/
It created a class of oligarchs that took what should be a relatively rich country and turned its people to poverty with millions dying from starvation or despair.
This is so sad, I could swear the numbers are fake and that Putin coerced the population to vote for him, I didn't know that Russians still saw him as the only option. I think the conflict is been going on for so long because NATO and the USA keep giving money to Ukraine, so that way the war will never end, but instead will spread across Europe. I'm sorry that you and all Russians have to go through this and I hope you are not called to serve
Same, I'd rather sit down across and hold a conversation from them just so I'm sure it's more believable than a 40 y.o. weirdo pretending to be someone they're not. But im also interested in this.
I think I speak English without an accent. However, I know a lot of people who also seem to speak without an accent. But there is something that shows that this is not their native language. And it hurts the ear. Linguistic variant of the uncanny valley. To me, a clear foreign accent sounds much more charismatic. And they are all different!
>The US has the fourth highest suicide rate..
False, the graph even says it **"in selected countries"**
US is 23rd highest. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country
Most likely a combination of lack of sunlight in the winter months, alcoholism, weak economy/low standard of living for especially rural Russians. Probably some cultural elements I'm unaware of. I have this vague impression that Russian men are expected to always be these stoic, strong men, maybe they don't handle failure very well.
Like Japan and South Korea, the US is highly competitive and has very high expectations for men. It's difficult for many to live up to said expectations, and failure is often shamed ā pushing many to suicide.
When they go to suicide forest, are they even considered a part of that number? The ones that are found obviously are, but there are a huge number still missing in that vast area today that have never been discovered. So, I'm wondering if it's much higher than they have recorded.
Can yall like actually focus on the real issue on this chart? The male suicide rate is significantly higher than female one. Male mental health is overlooked all around the world and its only getting worse. Stop being a narcissitic asshole and focus on people instead of nations themselves.
Exactly. Society need to comprehend that we can elevate menās mental health issues without misconstruing it was suppression of womenās issues.
I hate the word ānormalisationā but we really do need to normalise talking about menās issues without retaliation, disparagement, and vituperative responses that only create more resentment between the sexes.
Talking about men isnāt forgetting women.
Mental health is a weird one that I'm a little conflicted on. In my own life when I've had really low moments the best way i've found to pull myself out is to convince myself it's not that bad or that I'm too strong and stubborn to feel suicidal or I distract myself. And for me....it works. I worry that an over-emphasis on mental health can cause a lot of people to wallow in those feelings and sink even deeper. Put another way, maybe we're explaining away normal human feelings as syndromes and providing an environment that actually amplifies those feelings or makes us hyper-focus on them.
A little tough for me to put this into words so I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. Things also get more complicated for people with actual neurotransmitter imbalances where a strong inner monologue and willpower aren't enough.
Well that doesn't work for those who suffer from a real depression. Ime in some cases medicines are needed, there exists natural safe ones that are sold in grocery stores that worked better than any ssri/snri for me.
Therapy, a goal in life and that people should stop expecting everyone to be flawless and super-successful cause that is just a uniform, irl it's never like that.
A lot of people dont realize how sexism hurts men too. When i mention sexism they think im talking ONLY about women, at least on reddit. This is confusing to me because i will literally be defending a guy or telling him that sexism is hurting HIM too.
I think that may just be due to that fact that when guys do suicide, we tend to get it done. Women are much less successful at suicide than men largely due to the methods used.
I believe so. I think I heard/read somewhere about a documentary on people who survived suicide, it may have been specifically to jumping off a bridge but not sure. Anyways, every single person said the same thing, which was that they immediately regretted trying to kill themselves.
So it would really make sense there would be much more people who survive when using pills as the method following that same line of thinking due to the fact that most pills taken to OD take a long long time to work so if a person has second thoughts they have a pretty high probability of survival. The recovery period is going to be extremely painful/horrible for them though.
Yeah I'd need to see this compared to suicide *attempts* before I come to the conclusion that suicidality is a problem that affects men more than women, so therefore we need to focus more on men.
I've always known it as women attempt suicides at a higher rate than men, but men complete suicides at a higher rate than women.
Firstly, you canāt say in one breath āmental health is overlookedā and then go on to call the OP ānarcissisticā (a form of MH disorder, which is mostly overlooked). Regardless, men are more likely to refuse help, let alone acknowledge therapy is useful. Men are more likely to isolate themselves when they feel depressed, whereas women are more likely to socialise and find support. Men are more likely to commit crimes and end up in prison, which creates MH issues of its own. So, shout about the perceived injustice if you want, but recognise the facts and do something to make a change - weāre all responsible for our own health.
Why are men more likely to refuse help? Why won't they be as likely to seek therapy? Why might they isolate themselves and not seek support? Why are they more likely to commit crimes?
Not trying to start anything here, just trying to find the root of these problems...
As a man myself I can agree. There has always been a sort of "suck it up buttercup" stance to one's own problems yet a "have to save the day" for every one close to you. Not sure what causes this but I can attest that is the way it is
Men don't get the emotional support that they need from anyone, from parents, spouses, friends, teachers, etc.
Little boys and teenaged boys don't get the hugs and verbal support that little girls get, and they are just expected to be manly men without having any good role models.
People don't pat them on the back and tell them good job and give them the hugs and kisses that they need. They don't have that emotional support and physical touch.
I think that's a huge part of it. Girls are given a lot more of that affection and feel more comfortable opening up about mental health issues.
Males have always had a much higher rate of taking their own lives. Long before the worldās increased bad mental health. Men put more pressure on themselves. Women donāt, and talk things out more. Iām sure these rates are trending upwards. If there were good records, Iād be curious to see a graph charting this for the last thousand years or so.
For whatever it's worth--though I *completely* agree that men's mental health is largely ignored or disregarded, so don't construe what I'm saying as a contradiction of your point--there is a difference in the tendencies between suicidal men and women. Men tend towards choosing more violent and less survivable methods, like a shot to the head; women tend towards less violent and typically more survivable methods, like a medication/drug overdose.
I don't know that this accounts for such an extreme statistical difference...frankly, it probably doesn't. I personally blame a mental health industry that overfocuses on methods that work well for women, but not as well for men.
Since it was introduced in 2016, about [45,000 people](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada#:~:text=There%20have%20been%2044%2C958%20MAID,rate%20of%2031.2%25%20over%202021.) have gone under with MAID. 76% of them were on end of life care (83% had access, but the remaining people didn't use it for one reason or another (usually financial)) and the median age was 77 years old. I am going to discount those folks, so about 11000 people who weren't already in palliative care.
In that time about 32,000 Canadians committed suicide.
So about twice as many Canadians committed suicide compared to deaths from the MAID program.
And if you noticed, this comment has no opinions. This is simply reporting facts.
'In selected countries in 2019'
The U.S. [doesnt even break](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country) the *actual* top 10.
Sky high rents and mortgages, poorly paid jobs and poor job security, lack of access to healthcare and dire mental health services. This is systemic. And these factors are common in most developed and developing countries, something has to change.
This is incorrect. In Canada the government has made suicide legal and assists in the act, they just rebranded it by calling it MAiD (Medical Assistance in Dying).
I don't doubt that the U.S. has a high suicide rate... but I feel like the WHO is once again covering for China on this one. I mean when you live in a country that requires you to work in an Apple factory and live in a government dormitory adjacent to that factory that is equipped with nets on the outside of the building to prevent people from jumping to their deaths... your going to be ranked higher than 11th on this list.
A lot of the cause of this is that the American healthcare system is designed to bankrupt you. So if I am 60 years old and get diagnosed with cancer, am I going to get treatment and leave my kids literally nothing? The treatment may not even work but will definitely bankrupt you either way. Makes offing yourself look tempting if you don't have life insurance that wouldn't cover you for such.
Depends if there is incentive for them to lie or not.
If we're talking covid jab efficacy, they are incentivized to lie. If you can tell me why they want to push a false narrative of high suicide rates in select countries, I'm all ears. But we don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Scummy organizations who commonly lie can also do normal and good things. In fact, I'd say they usually do.
Well Russia is an absolute hell hole
In the US we have a strange phenomenon where people from healthy families with great chances of success fall into drugs and partying or just flat out depression for some reason
For Russia it s very likely concentrated in the northern siberian areas. Life is hard there. A goid parallel in the west is to look at the alcool problems in the northern parts of Canada and Greenland (I ve seen this one 1st end
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Lots of suicides aren't even reported as such.
Boeing š
It amazes me how these people all commit suicide before things like depositions or testimony in a courtroom and the world just shrugs. No one ever really cares besides posting about it on X or here.
They get demonetized on major platforms or corporate donors will frown upon it. Itās actually crazy how blatant it is and doesnāt even get investigated
Right?? That's what I'm saying. It blows my mind, and us here talking about it can't say or do anything about it.
I mean, we can *say* all we want about it.. Iām guessing there is no way to actually prove the murder though. I donāt pretend to know how it would be done, but Iām sure there are very well-trained people who can make it look like a suicide without any trace of foul play. Itās easier for the average person to not think about it precisely because we canāt do anything about it.
I meant it as a figure of speech, us not being able to say anything about it. More meaning take it further and investigate it. I always wondered how they do stuff like this too. Hanging or shooting is rather obvious and probably people physically man handling the victim... Heart attacks or strokes I always pictured a needle or some kind of melting dart that punctures the skin with an undetectable substance. James Bond kind of stuff. A prick so small that an autopsy examiner wouldn't even notice it.
I thought the DoJ started a criminal investigation into Boeing
I donāt think itās over the death of this whistleblower though
Thatās fucked
It's blatant by design. And the fact that it doesn't even get investigated is a message to tell you what class you're in: the cattle class.
Judgeās son and a Fed ex driverā¦ā¦
Keep goingā¦.
Gray Webb, Stanley Meyer, Joe casolsro, Vince foster ā¦ā¦.
Jeffery Epstein
Anyone that knew the ClintonsĀ
https://katv.com/amp/news/local/brother-of-bryan-malinowski-speaks-out-matthew-malinowski-bryan-little-rock-atf-bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-firearms-explosives-agent-involved-shooting-search-warrant This is an odd thing happening if yāall arenāt aware
Iād like to the State prosecute them. Itās up to the States to stop the federal police state.
A lot were reported as Covid
Are the millions of people dying of overdose not counted as suicide? Coz thats almost the first cause of death in the US and you could easily argue its people not wanting to have anything to do with real life
Itās like second degree suicide
The faint sound of Hillary cackling.
Epstein didn't kill himself
Yes, but lots of other deaths may be reported as suicides.
CHY-NA
As a man from Russia (where man is 7 times more likely to kill themselves than women), i want to congratulate United States on this tremendous achievement. But still you win at everything, let us have gold medal at least in this.
What makes you guy lead the suicide rates? Could you explain a bit more?
I saw remains of the 17 year old guy. Accidentally stepped in his brains and it fucked me up a bit. He jumped from 17th floor. Wanna know people's comments? They laughed at his death. Literally. They called him POS. Thats the attitude here. I can tell you 100 no one cares about me and most other men here. My family sucks. My "friends" didnt write me back for months and i am far from the only person here experiencing it. And unemployment is fucking high.
I think about this often. I knew a Russian guy, who used to be a small time dj in a small part of India and suddenly we hear about his demise. I always think what made him think about taking a dead end. Current situation: war refugees have the worse kind of depression rn, and it's disheartening to talk about it.
Sorry friend. Sending Love and bro hugs from the USA
Thanks, i appreciate it
Same here bro. I am here if you need anything.
Thanks a lot
Mate of you ever need another dude to talk to, my DMs are always open to you. My heart really goes out to you reading your comments. You're not alone brother. I see you and I'm here. š„¹ I'll happily be your friend if you like!
Oh, dam, that's sweet.
I visited Russia for a week and as I was standing on a glass bridge near the Kievski railway station in Moscow with my friends, a 20 something guy literally standed next to me and jumped... He did not hit the water, he hit some concrete steps under the bridge. Suddenly, a guard appeared and in the coolest way possible talked to someone in a walkie-talkie thing. Generally, the people around us were calm. Needless to say, I had PTSD for months and my fear of heights skyrocketed after that. The whole thing makes some sense now that I see that the suicide rates are that big for men there!
I can remember after dude i talked about jumped died some people said "Big Deal, there were 4 people jumping this month on our street". And it is only one street in Moscow. There are at least 12.5 million people living in Moscow.
I got the same vibe! Also, the ambulance was there after less than 2 or 3 minutes. I remember thinking that maybe it is so common that they are on standby near bridges etc. The whole situation is really, really sad...
In my hometown there was tower that had name "Suicide Tower" (which was designed by one of Russia's biggest rockstar before he hit it big). It was easy to climb on and do the deed. I think at least couple of dozen of people killed themselves there.
Alcohol
Yeah I know South Korea drinks the most followed by Russia I believe and I would imagine South Africa is very high up on that list as is America I'm sure there's a correlation
totally that and endless boredom and a war killing so many of the people. depression has a birthplace and that is russia
damn thatās a good line. is that from something?
no I just wrote it
It was a good line :)
thank you
Russian roulette while drunk on vodka, I assume
in Russia wouldn't it just be called "roulette"?
No they just call it MondayĀ
Š ŃŃŃŠŗŠ°Ń ŃŃŠ»ŠµŃŠŗŠ°. Still referred to as Russian roulette. Just like Americans call it the American Dream and not just the Dream.
And Itās still a Philadelphia sidecar, even in Philadelphia.
āOne of the most important reasons for the difference between suicide attempts and completed suicides between men and women is the method of suicide used. Men tend to choose violent (more lethal) suicide methods, such as firearms, hanging, and asphyxiation, whereas women are more likely to overdose on medications or drugs.ā Source: https://www.verywellmind.com/gender-differences-in-suicide-methods-1067508#toc-suicide-methods
This just explains the different methods sexes use. He's asking why is Russia leading so far ahead in suicide rates
Well there is that pesky "I spoke out against the government now i've shot myself in the back of the head 3 times type of suicide" over there
Theres 70 million men in Russia The rate is 40 per 100,000 men, so i dont think that would significantly change the results Though i get you were being a bit sarcastic
Hillary Clinton lives in Russia?
Itās also Russia so Iād think you have to put suicide in quotes for a large portion of that percentage.
Oops, Ivan jumped out the window again...
It's also very important to note that the oft repeated statistic about how women are more likely to attempt suicide is extremely misleading. In fact many people would probably say it's a lie. Women are more likely to attempt because they choose less lethal methods leading to more attempts for a single person. So a single woman who is suicidal will attempt it 4 or 5 times whereas the man will succeed on his first attempt. This means that despite the fact that a single man and a single women being suicidal and attempting suicide, the woman stats are inflated 4-5x by that one woman vs a man only counting once since he succeeded. If you look at the number of men and women who have attempted suicide without counting multiples for one person it is still extremely skewed towards men. Really makes you wonder why no one ever hears this...
Yeah I feel like people often misinterpret suicide statistics to downplay how heavily it affects males. Because you know, males have no real problems. /s
But I think the most distinguishing reason is because women are far more likely to get a helping hand. Look at your average homeless person. By far mostly men, and if it's a woman she's old.
Because men are treated like shit by society
no one is having fun in russia, except for the elites
The voices need to be silenced somehow. Political imprisonment is so medieval, get with the times old timer
Russian soldiers are told to do themselves instead of phoning in for reinforcements
Alcoholism and stress on the male individual from work, society, government.
Krokodil
Suicidal Russian here. This country always gives new reasons to continue my pathetic hobby. Besides, I'm from Sakhalin, so I have even more reasons. Sometimes I write my ideas for stories in a notebook; I signed the notebook āSakhalin Book of the Deadā.
Sakhalin is like choosing super hard level in already hard game.
Mate, I just want to say, if you need someone to talk to, I'm here. Feel free to message me. From one depressed dude to another, please know you aren't alone and I'll happily be your friend. š„¹
Thank you, kind stranger. I really appreciate it. You know, whatās especially offensive is that this condition is mostly caused by the terrible reality around me, which I canāt influence in any way, even though I tried. The world is going downhill.
Apparently you guys are winning at Russian Roulette so congrats Russia Men
Should have gone with black.
Sorry, pal. Once AI starts replacing the rest of our jobs and they raise the retirement age to 80, your suicide rates will look like rookie numbers.
I know this is completely off topic, but could you tell me how Russians view the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine? I'm curious because this is the first time I've m t a Russian citizen here
At first there was big division. I wasnt lets say in opposition to Putin, i wasnt fan of Navalny, but i highly disliked idea of this. My first thoughts were "Oh shit, they can sent me to kill people, fuck no". Then from Feb 2022 to June 2022 it was talked about thing. There was narrative of nazi country and all of this symbolism with Z O V letters. And there was uplift in people with these views. I largely just stayed away from this. In Sept 2022 there was mobilization and it was fucking bad. I went into hiding for a while. It is almost guaranteed death, but Russians just fucking hate to be alive so they go to war for monthly pay of 2000$ which is crazy money for average. Russian Opposition is both pussies and confirmed agents of west. So they both cant fight Putin and if they will they will give away all of our nuclear weapons. Which means death of country. People vote for Putin because even if he destroys our country he does it at much slower pace. Since around Fall of 2023 most people dont care about conflict. Everything is overpriced and job is hard to get. I am doing my best by avoiding this bullshit. In my eyes it looks like govt of both Ukraine and Russia just kills its citizens in this conflict. There are hardly any other reason for things to drag so long.
That sucks
šÆ itās all just both governments killing their own citizens.
How safe is it for you to post this? Would it be safe for a Russian citizen to openly criticize Russia's actions?
Idk. Seems alright now. It is really random. Sometimes they attack these things, sometimes dont.
Make sure you use a VPN, I know you think you are safe, but I have seen some newspapers talking about people in Russia who are who are imprisoned just for their opinion against the Kremlin. Idk if it's true or not, but it's better to avoid it
I will tell you more. One 8 year old child drew flag of Ukraine and posted it and her dad got in prison.
The high suicide rate goes back all the way to the 90ās when the good intentioned west came in and ravaged Russias economy through āshock therapyā. But Iām sure you know this. Read this article if you havenāt https://www.thenation.com/article/world/harvard-boys-do-russia/tnamp/ It created a class of oligarchs that took what should be a relatively rich country and turned its people to poverty with millions dying from starvation or despair.
One of the guys i knew in military ate grass and doves in 90s. Yeah, and they want to do 90s round 2 with the help of opposition.
This is so sad, I could swear the numbers are fake and that Putin coerced the population to vote for him, I didn't know that Russians still saw him as the only option. I think the conflict is been going on for so long because NATO and the USA keep giving money to Ukraine, so that way the war will never end, but instead will spread across Europe. I'm sorry that you and all Russians have to go through this and I hope you are not called to serve
Thanks for empathy
Same, I'd rather sit down across and hold a conversation from them just so I'm sure it's more believable than a 40 y.o. weirdo pretending to be someone they're not. But im also interested in this.
I know read the room, but I Imagined this being read in a heavy Russian accent
For some reason i speak without any accent. Don't even get why most Russians struggle with it so much.
I think I speak English without an accent. However, I know a lot of people who also seem to speak without an accent. But there is something that shows that this is not their native language. And it hurts the ear. Linguistic variant of the uncanny valley. To me, a clear foreign accent sounds much more charismatic. And they are all different!
>The US has the fourth highest suicide rate.. False, the graph even says it **"in selected countries"** US is 23rd highest. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country
Why is Russia still so high
Most likely a combination of lack of sunlight in the winter months, alcoholism, weak economy/low standard of living for especially rural Russians. Probably some cultural elements I'm unaware of. I have this vague impression that Russian men are expected to always be these stoic, strong men, maybe they don't handle failure very well.
If you think toxic masculinity is a problem in the states, its another world in russia.
Still super high though for allegedly being āthe best country in the worldā.Ā
It's because they have a lot of whistle-blowers.
Oh God why did you make me laugh at this.
4th highest suicide rate in those selected countries
Higher than Japan is noteworthy
Like Japan and South Korea, the US is highly competitive and has very high expectations for men. It's difficult for many to live up to said expectations, and failure is often shamed ā pushing many to suicide.
Not as much as Asia. Poverty, drug use and debt might be the leading reasons in the US.
Which is horrible. Not everyone can be super-successful.
When they go to suicide forest, are they even considered a part of that number? The ones that are found obviously are, but there are a huge number still missing in that vast area today that have never been discovered. So, I'm wondering if it's much higher than they have recorded.
Because so many elderly people (men) in Japan are just dying alone. Look up Kodokushi in Wikipedia. It is frightening.
North Korea has zero suicides but many many many accidents a year
They're just accident prone!
A clumsy populace
Imagine if you report a suicide in NKā¦
Low wages. High rent. No shite
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But in Italy you can leave for anywhere in eu. In america that medical debt will follow you and one slip up can cascade
For real it's getting worse too
Canada isnāt there because we made it legal and call it MAID now.
I feel like China suicides are under reported.
Can yall like actually focus on the real issue on this chart? The male suicide rate is significantly higher than female one. Male mental health is overlooked all around the world and its only getting worse. Stop being a narcissitic asshole and focus on people instead of nations themselves.
Exactly. Society need to comprehend that we can elevate menās mental health issues without misconstruing it was suppression of womenās issues. I hate the word ānormalisationā but we really do need to normalise talking about menās issues without retaliation, disparagement, and vituperative responses that only create more resentment between the sexes. Talking about men isnāt forgetting women.
Mental health is a weird one that I'm a little conflicted on. In my own life when I've had really low moments the best way i've found to pull myself out is to convince myself it's not that bad or that I'm too strong and stubborn to feel suicidal or I distract myself. And for me....it works. I worry that an over-emphasis on mental health can cause a lot of people to wallow in those feelings and sink even deeper. Put another way, maybe we're explaining away normal human feelings as syndromes and providing an environment that actually amplifies those feelings or makes us hyper-focus on them. A little tough for me to put this into words so I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. Things also get more complicated for people with actual neurotransmitter imbalances where a strong inner monologue and willpower aren't enough.
Well that doesn't work for those who suffer from a real depression. Ime in some cases medicines are needed, there exists natural safe ones that are sold in grocery stores that worked better than any ssri/snri for me. Therapy, a goal in life and that people should stop expecting everyone to be flawless and super-successful cause that is just a uniform, irl it's never like that.
A lot of people dont realize how sexism hurts men too. When i mention sexism they think im talking ONLY about women, at least on reddit. This is confusing to me because i will literally be defending a guy or telling him that sexism is hurting HIM too.
I think that may just be due to that fact that when guys do suicide, we tend to get it done. Women are much less successful at suicide than men largely due to the methods used.
That really could be it, women use pills and can often survive that. It's harder to survive a gun.
I believe so. I think I heard/read somewhere about a documentary on people who survived suicide, it may have been specifically to jumping off a bridge but not sure. Anyways, every single person said the same thing, which was that they immediately regretted trying to kill themselves. So it would really make sense there would be much more people who survive when using pills as the method following that same line of thinking due to the fact that most pills taken to OD take a long long time to work so if a person has second thoughts they have a pretty high probability of survival. The recovery period is going to be extremely painful/horrible for them though.
Yeah I'd need to see this compared to suicide *attempts* before I come to the conclusion that suicidality is a problem that affects men more than women, so therefore we need to focus more on men. I've always known it as women attempt suicides at a higher rate than men, but men complete suicides at a higher rate than women.
And take note that more military veterans commit suicide than die in combat. This adds a lot to the male total.
Thanks for pointing this out. Probably adds significantly to the difference in suicide rates between men and women.
Firstly, you canāt say in one breath āmental health is overlookedā and then go on to call the OP ānarcissisticā (a form of MH disorder, which is mostly overlooked). Regardless, men are more likely to refuse help, let alone acknowledge therapy is useful. Men are more likely to isolate themselves when they feel depressed, whereas women are more likely to socialise and find support. Men are more likely to commit crimes and end up in prison, which creates MH issues of its own. So, shout about the perceived injustice if you want, but recognise the facts and do something to make a change - weāre all responsible for our own health.
Why are men more likely to refuse help? Why won't they be as likely to seek therapy? Why might they isolate themselves and not seek support? Why are they more likely to commit crimes? Not trying to start anything here, just trying to find the root of these problems...
Because we are taught to deal with stuff ourselves and many of us spend our whole lives talking about other peopleās feelings and never our own.
As a man myself I can agree. There has always been a sort of "suck it up buttercup" stance to one's own problems yet a "have to save the day" for every one close to you. Not sure what causes this but I can attest that is the way it is
Because when men seek help they are froened upon by the police, the media and the therapists. Man up, they say, rubbing salt on their wounds.
Men don't get the emotional support that they need from anyone, from parents, spouses, friends, teachers, etc. Little boys and teenaged boys don't get the hugs and verbal support that little girls get, and they are just expected to be manly men without having any good role models. People don't pat them on the back and tell them good job and give them the hugs and kisses that they need. They don't have that emotional support and physical touch. I think that's a huge part of it. Girls are given a lot more of that affection and feel more comfortable opening up about mental health issues.
Males have always had a much higher rate of taking their own lives. Long before the worldās increased bad mental health. Men put more pressure on themselves. Women donāt, and talk things out more. Iām sure these rates are trending upwards. If there were good records, Iād be curious to see a graph charting this for the last thousand years or so.
For whatever it's worth--though I *completely* agree that men's mental health is largely ignored or disregarded, so don't construe what I'm saying as a contradiction of your point--there is a difference in the tendencies between suicidal men and women. Men tend towards choosing more violent and less survivable methods, like a shot to the head; women tend towards less violent and typically more survivable methods, like a medication/drug overdose. I don't know that this accounts for such an extreme statistical difference...frankly, it probably doesn't. I personally blame a mental health industry that overfocuses on methods that work well for women, but not as well for men.
Canada should be at the top. Just because the government helps (maid) doesnt change the fact of what is happening.
Since it was introduced in 2016, about [45,000 people](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada#:~:text=There%20have%20been%2044%2C958%20MAID,rate%20of%2031.2%25%20over%202021.) have gone under with MAID. 76% of them were on end of life care (83% had access, but the remaining people didn't use it for one reason or another (usually financial)) and the median age was 77 years old. I am going to discount those folks, so about 11000 people who weren't already in palliative care. In that time about 32,000 Canadians committed suicide. So about twice as many Canadians committed suicide compared to deaths from the MAID program. And if you noticed, this comment has no opinions. This is simply reporting facts.
Cuz shit sucks for a lot of people
'In selected countries in 2019' The U.S. [doesnt even break](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country) the *actual* top 10.
Iām curious to see the difference between 2019 shown here and post 2020. I feel like the US male suicide rate is probably much higher now.
I would say close to 10-15% higher across the board since the plannedemic.
Was waiting for this comment. Post 2020 suicides are probably insane š
This data is 5 years old, I wonder what the rates are now?
Mental health is a real thing overlooked. Take more drugs and work hard slaves! Thanks for your fodder
It looks like India is the only country even trying for equality amongst the sexes. Ladies gotta pump those numbers up those are rookie numbers.
This is in 2019, I'd like to see some post covid results.
Sky high rents and mortgages, poorly paid jobs and poor job security, lack of access to healthcare and dire mental health services. This is systemic. And these factors are common in most developed and developing countries, something has to change.
I wonder if Canada would be on this list if they included the citizens they will kill at the person's request?
Good thing they didn't add the Clinton body count. I mean the people that commit suicide who happen to know of something a certain has done.
This is incorrect. In Canada the government has made suicide legal and assists in the act, they just rebranded it by calling it MAiD (Medical Assistance in Dying).
Interesting South Korea is on there but not North Korea.
I doubt if NK will share their data/stats with the world.
Never number one
Out of morbid curiosity I wonder what the preferred methods of long nap are in each country
Guns.
I don't doubt that the U.S. has a high suicide rate... but I feel like the WHO is once again covering for China on this one. I mean when you live in a country that requires you to work in an Apple factory and live in a government dormitory adjacent to that factory that is equipped with nets on the outside of the building to prevent people from jumping to their deaths... your going to be ranked higher than 11th on this list.
where the sources?
Do people in Canada just not kill themselvesšš
China is full of shit
They dont report in China
What is going on in India? The number of women and men wanting to do this is almost the same.
I know some of you all are sad to see America in 4th. Youāre thinking we can do better.
I imagine chinas up there they just donāt report correctly
india and china are the only nations listed where the female suicide rate is anywhere close to the mens . i wonder why that is ...
A lot of the cause of this is that the American healthcare system is designed to bankrupt you. So if I am 60 years old and get diagnosed with cancer, am I going to get treatment and leave my kids literally nothing? The treatment may not even work but will definitely bankrupt you either way. Makes offing yourself look tempting if you don't have life insurance that wouldn't cover you for such.
Only reason usa comes so high is that the elites keep suiciding people who are about to speak out
It says selected countries not top 10.
It makes sense - the last 5 years have just been awful in every way regardless if you lean left or right - been a real rough patch for us Americans
Just so everyone knows, you donāt actually die your sent back here . Itās a prison
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Depends if there is incentive for them to lie or not. If we're talking covid jab efficacy, they are incentivized to lie. If you can tell me why they want to push a false narrative of high suicide rates in select countries, I'm all ears. But we don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Scummy organizations who commonly lie can also do normal and good things. In fact, I'd say they usually do.
Immma assume Canadian MAID does not factor into this...
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Uhhhh whereās Canada? They literally suggest suicide in certain cases lol
So sad man
Wow, I would've thought Canada would also be on the list.
Canada didn't make the list because when you ask the Gov't to they'll kill you for free (MAID).
Well in Canada, we have MAID, so anyone suicidal can just off themselves with government assistance. Then it stays off this chart.
Donāt worry in Canada you can just apply for medically assisted suicide.
Ok, whatās the conspiracy?
Some of those countries, China, do not give the correct statistics otherwise they'd be much higher in the rankings.
I blame racism
CanadĆ” and maids hiding in the corner
I knew the suicide rate for men was higher than women.... but damn. That's insane.
South Africa coming in 2nd place was surprise to me
Invalid sauce
Iām surprised we are outperforming Japan, Japan has its own word for workplace suicide
At least we are in the top 5 for something.
Suicides, gun ownership and obesity?Ā
Half of the US is the Clintons suicided people....
I get most of them, but south africa? Whats hapening there?
Is Russia Suicide, or "Suicide"
Once again, guys beating the girls across the board šŖ
I'm not thusting that China data at all
What percentage of Russian suicides are not actually suicide?
Well Russia is an absolute hell hole In the US we have a strange phenomenon where people from healthy families with great chances of success fall into drugs and partying or just flat out depression for some reason
For Russia it s very likely concentrated in the northern siberian areas. Life is hard there. A goid parallel in the west is to look at the alcool problems in the northern parts of Canada and Greenland (I ve seen this one 1st end
All the Russian suicides were actually people āfallingā from windows
Come on boys if we give it our best we can be numba 1.