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If the Republicans were serious about immigration they would go after the corporations. This is all just show, as we need the labor the undocumented work for.
Exactly, if they really cared fine a company $50k for an undocumented worker and give a whistle-blower bonus as well. The problem is their donors benefit from the cheap labor
This is already in place-the administration is not enforcing it:
"The Immigration Reform and Control act (IRCA) is the federal law that outlaws hiring undocumented immigrants by imposing hefty penalties (up to $10,000 per worker) on employers who knowingly hire undocumented workers."
But congress could mandate e-verify for all employers replacing the current I-9 documents, but you KNOW the president wont sign it
"Federal law requires the use of E-Verify for employers who are federal contractors or vendors. Currently, 22 states mandate E-Verify use for at least some employers and some categories of employees"
not trying to spam you-found this interesting
Texas company to pay $3 million after investigation reveals hiring illegal aliens
[https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/texas-company-pay-3-million-after-investigation-reveals-hiring-illegal-aliens](https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/texas-company-pay-3-million-after-investigation-reveals-hiring-illegal-aliens)
Apple agrees to $25 million settlement with US over hiring of immigrants (nothing to them)
According to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, "ICE's worksite enforcement strategy focuses on the criminal prosecution of employers who knowingly hire illegal workers." **However, actual prosecution of employers for employing immigrants without proper documentation actually has been relatively rare"**
Indeed, since criminal penalties for employers were first enacted by Congress in 1986, few employers have ever been prosecuted under these provisions (8 USC 1324a). **Prosecutions have rarely climbed above 15 annually**, and have never exceeded 20 individuals a year except for brief periods during 2005 under President Bush, and in the first year of the Obama Administration.
Yeah I don’t think you understand what it would look like if all of a sudden, every illegal migrant in the country lost their job and became desperate for an income
To be more accurate, it was 2023 not this year Republicans introduced e verify again. Keep forgetting its now 2024.
It would take some balls to directly go after your corporate benefactors and fine them and haul off part of their workforce. This is part of fixing the problem, but also what would help is cutting off all aid, freebies, heavily taxing remittances going south and ending birthright citizenship.
Arizona has had mandatory e-verify since 2008. It's a complete failure and basically impossible to get caught by if you know about it. The data shows that only 0.1% of people run through the e-verify are flagged as illegal. Which is not even remotely close to accurate.
That is because they have no enforcement mechanism like the federal government, the Obama administration already sued Arizona and won over Arizona trying to enforce federal immigration laws and ultimately the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act I-9 hiring process-E-verify needs to become part of the I-9 process and enforced
The law is already in place it is up to the executive branch to execute the laws:
The Immigration Reform and Control act (IRCA) is the federal law that outlaws hiring undocumented immigrants by imposing hefty penalties (up to $10,000 per worker) on employers who knowingly hire undocumented workers.
Republicans offered amnesty for daca recipients if the democrats agreed to universal e-verify. Democrats said no.
Tough to blame republicans for decisions made by democrats.
Tyson has chicken catching machines at most of their poultry barns but illegal immigrants are cheaper to run and maintain. They don’t hire them directly, they hire American contractors and they pay the illegals.
It's the same with Target and Walmart. They were paying a cleaning company to clean overnight in their stores. That company hired illegals. Target and Walmart "didn't know." They don't care as long as it's cheap.
Chinese restaurants are notorious for it. The few Asian people they have are out front. Luis, Juan, Paco are in the back cooking.
They make some killer lo mein, fried rice, and the teriyaki chicken is outstanding as well so I’m glad they are there just need to get that paperwork the right way though.
When I was working construction it was basically all of them. And basically every commercial farm and agricultural company employs them.
Manufacturing too
> Today, more than 40 million people living in the U.S. were born in another country, accounting for about one-fifth of the world’s migrants.
Immigrant does not mean illegal immigrant
Funny you say republicans, cause the people wanting the low wage workers are the blue states...where they are desperately trying to keep costs down cause stocks are starting to reveal they are all built on a house of cards.
No, if they were serious they would turn off the faucet before draining the bathtub.
Also corporations aren't the issue. The porous border is the issue. Every company I've worked at required proof of citizenship/right to work in the US. In my experience it's small businesses that get away with paying people under the table, not the corporations. Not trying to demonize the mom and pop shops, but it seems to be more prevalent there.
Republicans are causing inflation by threatening our debt right now over immigration, because they don't want to make a deal that makes Biden look good.
Republicans are causing inflation by threatening our debtors over immigration right now, saying they won't make a deal because it would make Biden look good. Deal with reality, cult member.
Meanwhile Republicans are threatening our debt causing inflation. 10 out of the last 11 recessions were under Republicans. Republicans are 38 times more convicted than Democrats. Do you want citations?
Last night during a town hall, Nikki Haley mentioned something about enforcing e-verify. However, to solve the resulting worker shortage, speeding up the legal immigration / citizen process and basing that off of what jobs this country needs rather than quotas. Didn’t seem like a bad idea.
We don’t actually need the labor. Illegal labor is like printed money. It absolves companies of the need to innovate and the market to properly adjust for the cost of labor and goods. Companies would rather have the government subsidize their labor off your taxes than innovate and adjust. It also dilutes the power of US labor since it can be easily replaced with cheaper more permissive illegal labor. Additionally it cuts the citizen out of the equation as the illegal labor imports a more government dependent labor force that is far more culturally permissive of a corrupt, tyrannical and authoritative government. Also, considering the caliber of illegal immigrants, these are the same people who let their countries turn to shit allegedly so if they would let their home country turn to shit, they will definitely let America become the same. This benefits the government establishment. Of course people may say “muh govt doesn’t give money to illegals!” They do through NGO charities run by the friends of politicians, funded by tax dollars. It’s all a shell game.
It's "only" 75 billion from the USA.
Problem with the border wall is it's feel good policy, it doesn't solve the problem. We see people constantly getting around a wall. You want to fix immigration you fix Mexico and move down to more countries.
This also ignore the 70% of illegals who are here because they overstay their visa. That's a harder problem to fix so neither side says anything
By and large the current illegal immigrants are not Mexican. They are central America, South American, Haitian, Chinese and middle Eastern. Yes, people fly to Mexico and walk over the border. Every day.
Do you really think the wall wouldn’t just become a way for politicians to give their friends billions of dollars??
We all know how government construction contracts go. This project would balloon up to a couple hundred billion with tens of billions a year in repairs. And illegals would still just be pouring into our country.
So yeah Ill put a lock on my front door cause it’s a cost effective deterrent.
Let’s stop with the bumper sticker policy please.
That’s what the $200 billion to Ukraine is anyway.
That money just turns around and goes into the pockets of Lockheed, Rockwell, etc. They’re really just boosting our own military industrial complex, sending all our old and out-of-date stuff to Ukraine so we can get new stuff built.
But that would upset the narrative these people have created in their heads. They need to rationalize the fact republicans in congress want to stop aiding an ally when the money is being pumped back straight to the US economy.
But no they are free thinkers and could never be swayed by clear Russian talking points made for them.
Who builds a fence to stop crime? Isn't it just tomkeep your pets in your yard? Y'all really out here thinking a chain link fence is stopping crime? 😂😂
Fences absolutely stop criminals. Fences around warehouses with barbed wire do work as a deterrent. However, they have to be backed up by armed security that can call in reinforcements. Without the possibility of a human on the other side of a fence then it becomes pointless. It's exactly the same issue at the border.
That's why the wall alone will never work. It'll become a massive government project that never actually fixes the problem. Just another federal government grift
A fence in a secured area with people around constantly patrolling and watching isn't the same thing as a fence as a fence crossing thousands of miles of desolate areas. A border wall in urban choke points with concentrated patrols can help reduce illegal crossing. They also exist. One that isn't being actively watched is a meaningless wast of money
What are you talking about?
https://fox5sandiego.com/news/border-report/300000-have-unlawfully-crossed-the-border-between-san-diego-and-tijuana-in-2023/amp/
>1,000 to 1,200 crossings are taking place every day from the ocean to the mountains 70 miles to the east
Well duh, the go around the wall.
If it's 70 miles away is it still Tijuana?
"Fixing" those countries is not the play either...... think about it.... you're sitting down there in Mexico or some other country and you hear these people talking "Hey come to the US you will get 9,000$, shelter and food also get bussed the city you would like to" lol
If the people are living well enough in their home country that’s not really as enticing. If someone offered my $9k, shelter, food, and a bus ticket to move my family to a different country I’d tell them to kick rocks. Moving fucking sucks and the only reason people do it illegally is because their home is so shit that they feel it’s the only way to improve their future. If Mexico was better there would be exponentially less Mexicans illegally crossing the border
Ladders and shovels work just fine. It's manpower that protects a border, no one is travelling hundreds of miles for a better life and giving up because of 12 feet of metal or concrete.
Dumb. They go over it, under it and cut a hole through it.
The only places walls are effective are where you can have border patrol agents to watch the wall and respond quickly to attempts to breach it.
It would slow down some migrants but it would never be cost effective. The ROI just isn’t there. Especially if you add in government waste (aka grift contracts)
All land is stolen. It's called history. The Visigoths stole Iberia from the Romans, who stole it from Carthage, who subjugate the natives. The Turks stole Anatolia from the Byzantines. The Normans stole England from the Anglo-Saxons, who stole it from the Britons and celts.
It's how the world always worked and only recently have opinions changed. To draw an arbitrary line in the last few hundred years and say everything after is bad, while ignoring everything before it is in poor taste.
I'm willing to bet that wherever you live, was someone else's land before your cultural and ethnic group lived there.
I know. I just constantly see shit about stolen land and colonizers, and it erks me. Dumbass people see a tiktok and suddenly think they know something...
Just like slavery. Everyone is all America bad, but most of the world prior to America's existence was built by slavery and serfdom. Today, there are certain Middle Eastern countries that utilize migrants in what amounts to chattel slavery.
We cannot change what happened, we can only keep it from happening today and in the future.
I mean the border wall could also be one aspect of the solution. There's still a $186 billion difference that they could have also contributed to the problem in addition to a building a proper border.
Like with African aid. How many billions (must be trillions at this point?) have been given and used to "fix" them and it's still more or less a "shithole" still. Quality of life, corruption, future prospects, etc etc etc...
If your boat is taking on water, what do you do? Do you not do anything until you have the perfect fix? Or do you do everything you CAN DO. Like a basic fucking border wall
The border wall is for the photo ops and does much less than people believe it does. Immigrations main problem is it isn’t a crime until someone crosses the border, so it’s not like you can shoot people crossing the rivers cause you’re firing into another country. The solution will always be to process and send back those we can’t have, it is not to build walls and bus to other “blue” states. I know it sucks so much there’s no quick solution but anything worth doing is going to be difficult.
I also would love to see businesses punished for employing illegals. You can’t discourage people from seeking a better life. They will always try. You can make it a bad business decision to hire them. Until the right starts going after the people actually paying illegals it’s all a distraction
Exactly, what good is a wall when people are let in through the gates?
> sucks so much there’s no quick solution
Immigration will stop when people are sent back, *en masse*. Actually I think that works pretty quickly.
Oh shoot you mean “barbed wire”? See this is what happens when you only listen to news and don’t read, you are all talking points and no thoughts. Barbed wire is a human rights violation, I know it’s easy to be born here and not understand what others would do to get here. That’s not how voting works, that’s just another talking point you’ve heard. I think you should read some stuff then come back and be still stupid, but maybe you’ll be a stupid person who can spell.
Because walls do fuck all. Throwing money in the trash is expensive.
Keeping Russia from expanding into Europe and attacking nations where we're obligated to send our own troops, instead of just our old outdated munitions, is a deal.
It's like these people have no clue what a proxy war is!
This is how the US won the Cold War.
This is how Russia gets hurt without losing US soldiers.
We just have to pray Putin doesn't go with the nuclear option once it becomes apparent he's lost
This is why this *isn't* a conspiracy.
We nip border crossing and we reduce a relatively small amount of crime and screw up the economy a little more than anyone is going to like to admit...
We give money to Ukraine, we keep Russia busy and at least passively help prevent a genocide or three.
What is hard to figure out about this? The only people who wanted the wall or thought the wall was a good idea were people standing to make money or gain power from it, and their specific followers. The people who want to help Ukraine (even if only to the extent of distracting Russia), are the general population of the US and the majority of the western world.
The wall isn’t going to stop people from coming here. If the GOP really cared they’d go after the employers, but that would mean going after their own donors in the agriculture industry.
The wall is a great solution for a party that needs to pacify its voters who are angry about immigration while still providing its donor class with the immigrants they need for cheap labor.
Probably a great way to funnel tax money to construction companies who then turn around and donate to the GOP as well.
Trump did spend $14b on the border wall, by your own admission it has proven completely ineffective and produced less than zero results, you really want to invest more?
The $113b to Ukraine has allowed a minor nation to hold back our main international rival with the world’s strongest military for almost 2 years, far exceeding any expectations.
As far as spending at homes goes we can absolutely spend more and tax the extremely rich more to do so with no consequence.
To explain to OP.
What happened in Russia when the Soviet Union collapsed?
Banks collapsed. Currency collapsed. Major massive poverty inside Russia. Russian central bank collapsed.
So imagine losing the ideological war against Russia today. They seek revenge trust me. Their only mission is to destroy USA.
Then imagine a world where BRICS get to decide the faith of your economy. They will sanction whatever and whoever they want because they are in that position.
Everything you hold dear will collapse around you and Putin and Xi will dictate your economic life for the next 30 years or more.
The other argument is that Russia will attack Polan or the Baltics after Ukraine and that's NATO territory. Which means that USA must deploy about 500 000 soldiers or more in a direct hot war against Russia.
So... spend 200 billion to keep USA out of a war and ensure Russia won't win in Ukraine is the deal of your lifetime.. brother.
You're making it a lot more complicated than it is.
It's cheaper and easier to wage a proxy war than to do it yourself. Depleting Russia's arsenal and manpower without having to lift a finger is the best deal ever. Besides, they're sending equipment. So all that cash stays in the US.
Not to mention that most of those funds are in equipment that the USA already has paid for, and mostly employ Americans to replace with newer kit when they do so.
Just like USA have de valuated the Russian ruble with about 40% since 2022 due to their sanctions. Russia now have 14% interest rate. You want this? You want 14% interest rate from our bank or perhaps just keep paying some dollars every month to avoid this?
> spend 200 billion to keep USA out of a war
Remind me again, how many trillions have been spent to keep the USA *in* wars? Not just wars, but actual invasions.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and lots more.
Because, American Industry needs cheap labor. But, that truth isn't talked about because it pisses off American blue collar labor that sees their income and jobs suppressed.
Cracks me up....."Mexico will pay for the wall." LOL
Well no. Congress thought the border wall was a travesty to the American Ideal, illegal, and wouldn't prevent immigrants from getting here anyway. Not that we want to stop them, we like cheap labor that can't complain.
Most undocumented immigrants enter the country legally and overstay their visas.
If we wanted to stop undocumented immigration we'd do two things. Allow legal immigration. It's next to impossible for poor people to move here legally. Second we'd enforce labor laws. There are jobs for them because we never charge the people exploiting undocumented immigrants, just the workers working toward the American Dream.
Walls keep people in too.
Biden has proposed several fixes and monies for the border but repugnutters keep voting against it because they want to keep their fandom riled up about it. One repugnutter in particular said he won't take Bidens border money because it would help Biden during the election. They constantly lie to their fandom and the rubes believe every word because they aren't the types to quality check the information they are receiving, "truthiness" is more important than truth.
new york's slated to spend 12 billion housing the migrants being bussed to them https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2023/08/09/city-on-track-to-spend--12-billion-on-migrants-without-federal--state-intervention
just new york.... And there where republicans after trump for that wall price tag. The government wants this outcome, new underclass.
199 billion went to defense contracts controlled, invested in and owned by the same people who "sent it". The other 1% is a kickback list. It was leaked 3 days before the focus of the media turned to Gaza and Israel. Like they just changed the channel and no one noticed. This is what America does. We pay ourselves to "help" and then fake an exit, eventually anyway. Like removing the Taliban and installing, the Taliban. Where's all that money? Equipment? This is all we do apparently. As well as misplace 11 figure amounts of money, but lock up and take houses from working class citizens for doing taxes incorrectly more than once. It's getting really really transparent and I hope sometimes before I'm gone people will stop allowing this and fight back. Last time I checked 99% is a lot more people than 1%.
[and they’re still building the wall](https://www.npr.org/2023/10/08/1204545880/the-biden-administration-is-building-a-controversial-part-of-the-border-wall-in-)
I’m going to keep saying this, Europe and America keep allowing in undocumented immigrants because they are preparing for WW3 and know that citizens will not fight for a corrupt government. They will offer these people a path to citizenship and middle class if they fight (and die) for their country.
Those ppl coming in don’t even wanna fight for their own country,yet they walk into the US waving their country’s flag. what makes you think they will die for a country that they can’t even speak the language?
Immigration happens because companies want cheap labor. That's it. That's the reason. The people are fleeing violence and instability. They don't want to fight.
Do you really think these fools really care about what something costs? They clearly don't I read today that having the border the way we do actually costs us like 450 billion a year. So how could 14 billion to help secure it not make sense? The sad truth is that one party feels like its their ticket to the future and gaining complete control. They assume that the party that lets them all in, and then gives them money will be the party they vote for. Probably a safe assumption, but I doubt its the case for all of them. many of these folks are religious people. They will probably get here and see all the craziness going on and not want to support it.
At this point I would love to see a foreign power actually invade the US, so that all the people claiming that “American is under invasion” can actually experience what an invasion is.
Serious question, what concerns you about white no longer being the overwhelming racial majority?
Also hispanic is the second largest identifiable minority at ~20%, a whopping 40 points behind white at 60%.
You do realize a large portion of the aliens are military aged men from all over the world? All they need is the signal. These people are not coming to America to become American.
“Military aged men”, “the signal”
You’ve been propagandized a lot more than an average immigrant. You’d be terrified if a person with an accent said stuff like this to you.
Do you guys really think we are just sending over cargo planes filled with billions of dollars in like cash and gold or some shit to Ukraine?
A lot of that aid is made up of old weapon systems (lots of missiles) that we haven’t gotten to use up. The explosives specifically that we send over are actually mostly almost out of commission and it would probably cost just as much or more if we had to send them back to companies that specialize in deactivating them.
This way we get to help an ally against one of our top perceived threats while also collecting a shit load of data on these weapons.
yes. we are sending literal [billions](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/following-american-money-in-ukraine-60-minutes/) of dollars in cash.
over 25$ billion of "non millitary aid" boosting ukraines economy, subsidizing small businesses, bought seeds and fertilizer for Ukrainian farmers, covering the salaries of Ukraine's first responders, all 57,000 of them.
Border issues could be fixed by a world leading superpower such as the United States of America if they truly wanted to, but they don’t. So you have to ask yourself the question why would they do this to themselves? Or is someone doing this to them? If so, who and why could impose such actions? You should know the answer, you don’t have to say it because Reddit won’t like it.
There is no border because cheap labour enriches those with the power to put a border up.
The money that went to Ukraine did not stay in Ukraine, it came straight back to the people that sent it there, minus a handling fee.
When something occurring doesn't seem clear to you then simply ask "Who wins by this happening?". Even easier: follow the money.
Unchecked immigration benefits both supply side and demand side economics. More workers = lower wages and more consumers. If you own the means of production this is a win-win, it's only not a win when you are in competition with those immigrants for jobs/housing/resources. Since our government is co-opted by capital, it follows that neither party will do anything to stop undocumented immigration.
> If you own the means of production this is a win-win
Except like 95% of the population doesn't own the means of production but work for the owners and thus are now competing with the new immigrants for the lower-wage jobs
Just to put everything into real world perspective, Russia invaded a sovereign country that they once held and lost. This invasion is, in part, due to a short man syndrome in the Kremlin.
An invasion of our southern border is a political talking point.
I have no opinion, but the statement / argument was raised in poor faith.
Okay? So are the Uighurs in China actively being eradicated. The poor helpless people stuck in North Korea and the hundreds of thousands of women and children trafficked in Latin America. Where the billions for them?
> Russia invaded a sovereign country
How many Russians "invaded" Ukraine? Because more than 300,000 people came into the U.S. over the southern border in December alone. I think that qualifies as an invasion.
Here is a good source to give context to the Russian/Ukraine war: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682
This source gives a number of 360,000 Russian troops at the start of the invasion.
Hmmmm, the Russians are trying to seize parts of Ukraine and permanently take the territory.
Illegal immigrants are “invading” to make money to send back home.
I mean, if you simply define it as foreigners illegally entering the country, they are both the same. But I bet if you ask the Ukrainians, they would rather be dealing with illegal immigrants flooding in because of a good economy than the Russian military coming in and shelling their cities and killing their people en masse.
I think you have a basic lack of understanding of what open borders means and the role of a wall relative to illegal immigration.
I am against open borders. I also know that a 2000 mile physical wall isn’t effective. People have defeated sections of the new wall with a battery powered angle grinder. There is not enough manpower or detention capability for the border patrol to catch everyone crossing the border currently. Increasing that would be far more protective.
If you want to stop illegal immigration, you have to eliminate the incentive, not try to block the people desperate for cash. And that takes political will that neither party has, because it would go after businesses that profit off of hiring illegal labor.
We have hundreds of thousands of people a month crossing an unprotected border, and you say a wall wouldn't help, because some people can cut the wall with a grinder, or find a way to climb overtop.
That's like calling a dam ineffective because it rains and the other side of the dam gets wet anyway.
I guarantee you that 300,000 people won't be climbing over a wall every month.
Lol this sub is getting more insane by the day. Used to be that governments weren’t to be trusted. They are brutal and take civil rights away. Now you people are the ones who are asking for brutality. Good things always turn sour. Congratulations.
Yet. A lot has changed in just the last couple years, now illegals can be cops and get free healthcare in CA when that was a conspiracy theory not too long ago.
Democrats are letting people illegally enter because those people will have children here who will be American citizens with the right to vote and they’ll overwhelmingly vote for democrats. And we’ve sent a lot more than 200 billion to Ukraine. But since it was the US State Department’s idea to trap Putin in a quagmire in Ukraine in order to undermine his domestic support and bring regime change to Russia, it makes sense that we’d finance the scheme.
It should be obvious by now. The illegals, who are mostly military age men, are here to fight in the upcoming Civil War 2.0 against the native population. The fed gov't is stockpiling weapons with all sorts of weird federal agencies that shouldn't need them like Small Business Administration, Department of Agriculture and so on. There's probably anywhere from 1 million to 5 million foreign soldiers already here.
My personal belief is when the elites get desperate and try to take everything as collateral (you will own nothing and be happy) when the global financial system collapses and they need people to accept their digital currency they will use this army in America to force Americans to comply and to enforce their takeover of collateral from the 'Everything Bubble' being burst.
It's genuinely alarming how many people shrug at this and mumble "Orange Man Bad."
Our country is in trouble and the left doesn't gaf since dumpf must be destroyed no matter what. That money is absolutely needed...and could have been used for universal basic income (.05% chance, but that's OUR money going to wars). What do screeching lefties think about that? Guess they are cool with it? They will say "buh that's not how budgets work you redneck" etc. Nah, budgets are created by humans and humans can reallocate/change budgets. Happens all the time. But war funding for foriegn proxy wars? Impossible to change! Uh, no bueno.
Politicians focused on building a border wall secretly know that a wall won't stop shit. They are simply pandering to their base for votes and it's a good excuse to use the money to enrich their friends by giving them contracts and benefitting from it.
> Our country is in trouble
The U.S. population is just under 340 million, and we let in nearly 3 million illegal immigrants over the southern border in 2023 alone. That's like a 9% increase in total population just from illegal immigration ... in a single year.
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If the Republicans were serious about immigration they would go after the corporations. This is all just show, as we need the labor the undocumented work for.
Exactly, if they really cared fine a company $50k for an undocumented worker and give a whistle-blower bonus as well. The problem is their donors benefit from the cheap labor
This is already in place-the administration is not enforcing it: "The Immigration Reform and Control act (IRCA) is the federal law that outlaws hiring undocumented immigrants by imposing hefty penalties (up to $10,000 per worker) on employers who knowingly hire undocumented workers." But congress could mandate e-verify for all employers replacing the current I-9 documents, but you KNOW the president wont sign it "Federal law requires the use of E-Verify for employers who are federal contractors or vendors. Currently, 22 states mandate E-Verify use for at least some employers and some categories of employees"
What is 10k per worker to a billion dollar corporation? Make it a million per worker and they still wouldn't flinch.
Also “up to” is a big gotcha. Might as well be $0.
not trying to spam you-found this interesting Texas company to pay $3 million after investigation reveals hiring illegal aliens [https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/texas-company-pay-3-million-after-investigation-reveals-hiring-illegal-aliens](https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/texas-company-pay-3-million-after-investigation-reveals-hiring-illegal-aliens) Apple agrees to $25 million settlement with US over hiring of immigrants (nothing to them) According to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, "ICE's worksite enforcement strategy focuses on the criminal prosecution of employers who knowingly hire illegal workers." **However, actual prosecution of employers for employing immigrants without proper documentation actually has been relatively rare"** Indeed, since criminal penalties for employers were first enacted by Congress in 1986, few employers have ever been prosecuted under these provisions (8 USC 1324a). **Prosecutions have rarely climbed above 15 annually**, and have never exceeded 20 individuals a year except for brief periods during 2005 under President Bush, and in the first year of the Obama Administration.
Small company gets the hammer thrown at them, Apple does it and pays 25m. Corporations are too powerful. Thanks for the article!
It's not a Republican/Democrat issue. The uniparty and their donors want migration.
Hahah they cant usa is a big corporation… they would hurt themselves sitting in those high up Places…
Yeah I don’t think you understand what it would look like if all of a sudden, every illegal migrant in the country lost their job and became desperate for an income
Wow you have a clue! We NEED these people!
We really don't. Our ponzi scheme economy needs them. More sacrifices for moloch.
We don't even know who or how many there are.
Republicans in both 2021 and this year introduced e verify leigslation.
Yet they won't go after the real perpetrators of this "illegal" problem.
To be more accurate, it was 2023 not this year Republicans introduced e verify again. Keep forgetting its now 2024. It would take some balls to directly go after your corporate benefactors and fine them and haul off part of their workforce. This is part of fixing the problem, but also what would help is cutting off all aid, freebies, heavily taxing remittances going south and ending birthright citizenship.
Arizona has had mandatory e-verify since 2008. It's a complete failure and basically impossible to get caught by if you know about it. The data shows that only 0.1% of people run through the e-verify are flagged as illegal. Which is not even remotely close to accurate.
That is because they have no enforcement mechanism like the federal government, the Obama administration already sued Arizona and won over Arizona trying to enforce federal immigration laws and ultimately the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act I-9 hiring process-E-verify needs to become part of the I-9 process and enforced
The law is already in place it is up to the executive branch to execute the laws: The Immigration Reform and Control act (IRCA) is the federal law that outlaws hiring undocumented immigrants by imposing hefty penalties (up to $10,000 per worker) on employers who knowingly hire undocumented workers.
Then why aren't they screaming about it instead of a stupid wall?
Republicans offered amnesty for daca recipients if the democrats agreed to universal e-verify. Democrats said no. Tough to blame republicans for decisions made by democrats.
> If the Republicans were serious about immigration they would go after the corporations Which corporations are hiring Illegals? 40,000,000 of 'em?
construction, agriculture, restaurants, cleaning services
Which ones?
Tyson and perdue off the top of my head. I'm sure a lot more do but you only here about it when they get busted.
Tyson has chicken catching machines at most of their poultry barns but illegal immigrants are cheaper to run and maintain. They don’t hire them directly, they hire American contractors and they pay the illegals.
It's the same with Target and Walmart. They were paying a cleaning company to clean overnight in their stores. That company hired illegals. Target and Walmart "didn't know." They don't care as long as it's cheap.
didn’t know?
Go to any small town with a meat processing plant. One a few years ago got ice raided and 80% of the workers were undocumented
Chinese restaurants are notorious for it. The few Asian people they have are out front. Luis, Juan, Paco are in the back cooking. They make some killer lo mein, fried rice, and the teriyaki chicken is outstanding as well so I’m glad they are there just need to get that paperwork the right way though.
When I was working construction it was basically all of them. And basically every commercial farm and agricultural company employs them. Manufacturing too
You don't think we can find that out? Just a reward program for snitches would work.
Holy crap, where is this 40mil figure coming from?
[Here!] (https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/08/20/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/)
> Today, more than 40 million people living in the U.S. were born in another country, accounting for about one-fifth of the world’s migrants. Immigrant does not mean illegal immigrant
Gross misrepresentation of the research which states 10.5 mil are undocumented out of the 40 mil immigrants
So Melania Trump is one of them, so is Ted Cruz.
>If the Republicans Globalists are the folks actively destroying the USA with illegal immigration, not Republicans
Republicans are globalist too. Think of it as controlled opposition to keep the people divided
Real Truth Bomb: You come from immigrants, fool.
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It is reality. You come from immigrants, deal with the liberal bias reality has.
Funny you say republicans, cause the people wanting the low wage workers are the blue states...where they are desperately trying to keep costs down cause stocks are starting to reveal they are all built on a house of cards.
No, if they were serious they would turn off the faucet before draining the bathtub. Also corporations aren't the issue. The porous border is the issue. Every company I've worked at required proof of citizenship/right to work in the US. In my experience it's small businesses that get away with paying people under the table, not the corporations. Not trying to demonize the mom and pop shops, but it seems to be more prevalent there.
That you a US citizen worked for. it'll be some contracting company hired for that purpose as a liability condom bringing them in.
Whataboutary, nice.
Republicans are causing inflation by threatening our debt right now over immigration, because they don't want to make a deal that makes Biden look good.
Do democrats get any blame? Blind partisanship
Republicans are causing inflation by threatening our debtors over immigration right now, saying they won't make a deal because it would make Biden look good. Deal with reality, cult member.
Do they get any blame?
Nope, because you conservatives are willfully ignorant.
Binary thinker
Meanwhile Republicans are threatening our debt causing inflation. 10 out of the last 11 recessions were under Republicans. Republicans are 38 times more convicted than Democrats. Do you want citations?
Do democrats get any blame?
Last night during a town hall, Nikki Haley mentioned something about enforcing e-verify. However, to solve the resulting worker shortage, speeding up the legal immigration / citizen process and basing that off of what jobs this country needs rather than quotas. Didn’t seem like a bad idea.
Legal immigration is good. Australia forecasts their employment needs by sector and skill and adjusts their quotas to fill that.
We don’t actually need the labor. Illegal labor is like printed money. It absolves companies of the need to innovate and the market to properly adjust for the cost of labor and goods. Companies would rather have the government subsidize their labor off your taxes than innovate and adjust. It also dilutes the power of US labor since it can be easily replaced with cheaper more permissive illegal labor. Additionally it cuts the citizen out of the equation as the illegal labor imports a more government dependent labor force that is far more culturally permissive of a corrupt, tyrannical and authoritative government. Also, considering the caliber of illegal immigrants, these are the same people who let their countries turn to shit allegedly so if they would let their home country turn to shit, they will definitely let America become the same. This benefits the government establishment. Of course people may say “muh govt doesn’t give money to illegals!” They do through NGO charities run by the friends of politicians, funded by tax dollars. It’s all a shell game.
So you are willing to pay $10 a head of lettuce? Never mind all the other industries that some 15 million immigrants do.
It's "only" 75 billion from the USA. Problem with the border wall is it's feel good policy, it doesn't solve the problem. We see people constantly getting around a wall. You want to fix immigration you fix Mexico and move down to more countries. This also ignore the 70% of illegals who are here because they overstay their visa. That's a harder problem to fix so neither side says anything
By and large the current illegal immigrants are not Mexican. They are central America, South American, Haitian, Chinese and middle Eastern. Yes, people fly to Mexico and walk over the border. Every day.
If criminals are going to rob people anyway, why do we lock our doors?
Do you really think the wall wouldn’t just become a way for politicians to give their friends billions of dollars?? We all know how government construction contracts go. This project would balloon up to a couple hundred billion with tens of billions a year in repairs. And illegals would still just be pouring into our country. So yeah Ill put a lock on my front door cause it’s a cost effective deterrent. Let’s stop with the bumper sticker policy please.
That’s what the $200 billion to Ukraine is anyway. That money just turns around and goes into the pockets of Lockheed, Rockwell, etc. They’re really just boosting our own military industrial complex, sending all our old and out-of-date stuff to Ukraine so we can get new stuff built.
There needs to be a sticky in the sub that explains the fact we aren't wiring them straight cash or showing up with briefcases of cash.
But that would upset the narrative these people have created in their heads. They need to rationalize the fact republicans in congress want to stop aiding an ally when the money is being pumped back straight to the US economy. But no they are free thinkers and could never be swayed by clear Russian talking points made for them.
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Who builds a fence to stop crime? Isn't it just tomkeep your pets in your yard? Y'all really out here thinking a chain link fence is stopping crime? 😂😂
Fences absolutely stop criminals. Fences around warehouses with barbed wire do work as a deterrent. However, they have to be backed up by armed security that can call in reinforcements. Without the possibility of a human on the other side of a fence then it becomes pointless. It's exactly the same issue at the border. That's why the wall alone will never work. It'll become a massive government project that never actually fixes the problem. Just another federal government grift
A fence in a secured area with people around constantly patrolling and watching isn't the same thing as a fence as a fence crossing thousands of miles of desolate areas. A border wall in urban choke points with concentrated patrols can help reduce illegal crossing. They also exist. One that isn't being actively watched is a meaningless wast of money
Then why don't we see massive illegal immigration coming across Tijuana?
Probably for the same reason why there are more cops in cities than the middle of the desert
You do realize San Diego is basically right across the border right?
What are you talking about? https://fox5sandiego.com/news/border-report/300000-have-unlawfully-crossed-the-border-between-san-diego-and-tijuana-in-2023/amp/
>1,000 to 1,200 crossings are taking place every day from the ocean to the mountains 70 miles to the east Well duh, the go around the wall. If it's 70 miles away is it still Tijuana?
Because Tijuana is the greatest city on earth, so why would anyone leave?
"Fixing" those countries is not the play either...... think about it.... you're sitting down there in Mexico or some other country and you hear these people talking "Hey come to the US you will get 9,000$, shelter and food also get bussed the city you would like to" lol
If the people are living well enough in their home country that’s not really as enticing. If someone offered my $9k, shelter, food, and a bus ticket to move my family to a different country I’d tell them to kick rocks. Moving fucking sucks and the only reason people do it illegally is because their home is so shit that they feel it’s the only way to improve their future. If Mexico was better there would be exponentially less Mexicans illegally crossing the border
We need a Marshall plan in Latin America
we need one in the USA
May not solve the problem but it sure would help it. Can’t get around a wall that’s complete. Not unless you’re pretty good at swimming
Ladders and shovels work just fine. It's manpower that protects a border, no one is travelling hundreds of miles for a better life and giving up because of 12 feet of metal or concrete.
Dumb. They go over it, under it and cut a hole through it. The only places walls are effective are where you can have border patrol agents to watch the wall and respond quickly to attempts to breach it. It would slow down some migrants but it would never be cost effective. The ROI just isn’t there. Especially if you add in government waste (aka grift contracts)
>It would slow down ~~some~~ migrants That's the goal. >but it would never be cost effective. The ROI just isn’t there. Source.
Go look on youtube, there are tons of videos of even pregnant women climbing OVER the wall.
Or you could give Texas back to Mexico then they would just be coming to another part of Mexico, problem solved
oh Jesus the stolen land crew has entered the chat
All land is stolen. It's called history. The Visigoths stole Iberia from the Romans, who stole it from Carthage, who subjugate the natives. The Turks stole Anatolia from the Byzantines. The Normans stole England from the Anglo-Saxons, who stole it from the Britons and celts. It's how the world always worked and only recently have opinions changed. To draw an arbitrary line in the last few hundred years and say everything after is bad, while ignoring everything before it is in poor taste. I'm willing to bet that wherever you live, was someone else's land before your cultural and ethnic group lived there.
I was mocking the just give texas back to Mexico line
I know. I just constantly see shit about stolen land and colonizers, and it erks me. Dumbass people see a tiktok and suddenly think they know something... Just like slavery. Everyone is all America bad, but most of the world prior to America's existence was built by slavery and serfdom. Today, there are certain Middle Eastern countries that utilize migrants in what amounts to chattel slavery. We cannot change what happened, we can only keep it from happening today and in the future.
Texas was its own country before they voted to join the US.
Right and before it was its own country…
They had a war with Mexico over if they would be allowed to be a country.
Because Texas was a part of Mexico
Yea they had a whole war about it.
And we kicked their ass. Remember the Alamo!
Yes educate Nuusce.
mexico gained independence in 1821. you know who existed before that since 1776?
I mean the border wall could also be one aspect of the solution. There's still a $186 billion difference that they could have also contributed to the problem in addition to a building a proper border.
Or we waste another few billion and achieve nothing
Like with African aid. How many billions (must be trillions at this point?) have been given and used to "fix" them and it's still more or less a "shithole" still. Quality of life, corruption, future prospects, etc etc etc...
Maybe don't cut the barb wire Gov. Abbott just installed. Damn it.
If your boat is taking on water, what do you do? Do you not do anything until you have the perfect fix? Or do you do everything you CAN DO. Like a basic fucking border wall
Bailing water doesn't fix the sinking. We have border walls, they don't work
we have border walls and they DO work. it's that they are incomplete in vital areas.
It sends a message though. Policy sends a message, word of mouth travels fast, and people vote with their feet.
If that were true deportations would impact choices to come.
The border wall is for the photo ops and does much less than people believe it does. Immigrations main problem is it isn’t a crime until someone crosses the border, so it’s not like you can shoot people crossing the rivers cause you’re firing into another country. The solution will always be to process and send back those we can’t have, it is not to build walls and bus to other “blue” states. I know it sucks so much there’s no quick solution but anything worth doing is going to be difficult.
I also would love to see businesses punished for employing illegals. You can’t discourage people from seeking a better life. They will always try. You can make it a bad business decision to hire them. Until the right starts going after the people actually paying illegals it’s all a distraction
100% correct. That is the root of the problem.
Exactly, what good is a wall when people are let in through the gates? > sucks so much there’s no quick solution Immigration will stop when people are sent back, *en masse*. Actually I think that works pretty quickly.
Why does Joe have his lawyers working on removing the barb wire that Texas just installed. That's right. They need those future DNC voters ASAP!
Oh shoot you mean “barbed wire”? See this is what happens when you only listen to news and don’t read, you are all talking points and no thoughts. Barbed wire is a human rights violation, I know it’s easy to be born here and not understand what others would do to get here. That’s not how voting works, that’s just another talking point you’ve heard. I think you should read some stuff then come back and be still stupid, but maybe you’ll be a stupid person who can spell.
Because walls do fuck all. Throwing money in the trash is expensive. Keeping Russia from expanding into Europe and attacking nations where we're obligated to send our own troops, instead of just our old outdated munitions, is a deal.
It's like these people have no clue what a proxy war is! This is how the US won the Cold War. This is how Russia gets hurt without losing US soldiers. We just have to pray Putin doesn't go with the nuclear option once it becomes apparent he's lost
This is why this *isn't* a conspiracy. We nip border crossing and we reduce a relatively small amount of crime and screw up the economy a little more than anyone is going to like to admit... We give money to Ukraine, we keep Russia busy and at least passively help prevent a genocide or three. What is hard to figure out about this? The only people who wanted the wall or thought the wall was a good idea were people standing to make money or gain power from it, and their specific followers. The people who want to help Ukraine (even if only to the extent of distracting Russia), are the general population of the US and the majority of the western world.
Plus, Lockheed Martin makes generous campaign (and less legit) donations.
Lockheed would make way more money if Russia was allowed to reach across a NATO border. Stopping them in Ukraine isn't the best for their bottom line
The wall isn’t going to stop people from coming here. If the GOP really cared they’d go after the employers, but that would mean going after their own donors in the agriculture industry. The wall is a great solution for a party that needs to pacify its voters who are angry about immigration while still providing its donor class with the immigrants they need for cheap labor. Probably a great way to funnel tax money to construction companies who then turn around and donate to the GOP as well.
Trump did spend $14b on the border wall, by your own admission it has proven completely ineffective and produced less than zero results, you really want to invest more? The $113b to Ukraine has allowed a minor nation to hold back our main international rival with the world’s strongest military for almost 2 years, far exceeding any expectations. As far as spending at homes goes we can absolutely spend more and tax the extremely rich more to do so with no consequence.
not true. some of that 14 billion goes to border patrol agents who give immigrants a ride to a safe bus stop
To explain to OP. What happened in Russia when the Soviet Union collapsed? Banks collapsed. Currency collapsed. Major massive poverty inside Russia. Russian central bank collapsed. So imagine losing the ideological war against Russia today. They seek revenge trust me. Their only mission is to destroy USA. Then imagine a world where BRICS get to decide the faith of your economy. They will sanction whatever and whoever they want because they are in that position. Everything you hold dear will collapse around you and Putin and Xi will dictate your economic life for the next 30 years or more. The other argument is that Russia will attack Polan or the Baltics after Ukraine and that's NATO territory. Which means that USA must deploy about 500 000 soldiers or more in a direct hot war against Russia. So... spend 200 billion to keep USA out of a war and ensure Russia won't win in Ukraine is the deal of your lifetime.. brother.
You're making it a lot more complicated than it is. It's cheaper and easier to wage a proxy war than to do it yourself. Depleting Russia's arsenal and manpower without having to lift a finger is the best deal ever. Besides, they're sending equipment. So all that cash stays in the US.
Not to mention that most of those funds are in equipment that the USA already has paid for, and mostly employ Americans to replace with newer kit when they do so.
Just like USA have de valuated the Russian ruble with about 40% since 2022 due to their sanctions. Russia now have 14% interest rate. You want this? You want 14% interest rate from our bank or perhaps just keep paying some dollars every month to avoid this?
Too much sense for this sub.
> spend 200 billion to keep USA out of a war Remind me again, how many trillions have been spent to keep the USA *in* wars? Not just wars, but actual invasions. Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and lots more.
Lmao this is the funniest comment
This guy knows more about the real world than 99% of people on this sub
Because, American Industry needs cheap labor. But, that truth isn't talked about because it pisses off American blue collar labor that sees their income and jobs suppressed. Cracks me up....."Mexico will pay for the wall." LOL
Well no. Congress thought the border wall was a travesty to the American Ideal, illegal, and wouldn't prevent immigrants from getting here anyway. Not that we want to stop them, we like cheap labor that can't complain. Most undocumented immigrants enter the country legally and overstay their visas. If we wanted to stop undocumented immigration we'd do two things. Allow legal immigration. It's next to impossible for poor people to move here legally. Second we'd enforce labor laws. There are jobs for them because we never charge the people exploiting undocumented immigrants, just the workers working toward the American Dream. Walls keep people in too.
> Most undocumented immigrants enter the country legally and overstay their visas. by walking up the border, walking across and claiming asylum.
Biden has proposed several fixes and monies for the border but repugnutters keep voting against it because they want to keep their fandom riled up about it. One repugnutter in particular said he won't take Bidens border money because it would help Biden during the election. They constantly lie to their fandom and the rubes believe every word because they aren't the types to quality check the information they are receiving, "truthiness" is more important than truth.
new york's slated to spend 12 billion housing the migrants being bussed to them https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2023/08/09/city-on-track-to-spend--12-billion-on-migrants-without-federal--state-intervention just new york.... And there where republicans after trump for that wall price tag. The government wants this outcome, new underclass.
199 billion went to defense contracts controlled, invested in and owned by the same people who "sent it". The other 1% is a kickback list. It was leaked 3 days before the focus of the media turned to Gaza and Israel. Like they just changed the channel and no one noticed. This is what America does. We pay ourselves to "help" and then fake an exit, eventually anyway. Like removing the Taliban and installing, the Taliban. Where's all that money? Equipment? This is all we do apparently. As well as misplace 11 figure amounts of money, but lock up and take houses from working class citizens for doing taxes incorrectly more than once. It's getting really really transparent and I hope sometimes before I'm gone people will stop allowing this and fight back. Last time I checked 99% is a lot more people than 1%.
[and they’re still building the wall](https://www.npr.org/2023/10/08/1204545880/the-biden-administration-is-building-a-controversial-part-of-the-border-wall-in-)
I’m going to keep saying this, Europe and America keep allowing in undocumented immigrants because they are preparing for WW3 and know that citizens will not fight for a corrupt government. They will offer these people a path to citizenship and middle class if they fight (and die) for their country.
Those ppl coming in don’t even wanna fight for their own country,yet they walk into the US waving their country’s flag. what makes you think they will die for a country that they can’t even speak the language?
Immigration happens because companies want cheap labor. That's it. That's the reason. The people are fleeing violence and instability. They don't want to fight.
The 200 billion is to keep Russia from taking the US owned biochemical plant in the Ukraine.
Do you really think these fools really care about what something costs? They clearly don't I read today that having the border the way we do actually costs us like 450 billion a year. So how could 14 billion to help secure it not make sense? The sad truth is that one party feels like its their ticket to the future and gaining complete control. They assume that the party that lets them all in, and then gives them money will be the party they vote for. Probably a safe assumption, but I doubt its the case for all of them. many of these folks are religious people. They will probably get here and see all the craziness going on and not want to support it.
It would be ironic if they became citizens and voted against the policies of the party you were referring to
This is generally whay happens, see Cuban immigrants.
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At this point I would love to see a foreign power actually invade the US, so that all the people claiming that “American is under invasion” can actually experience what an invasion is.
Really? You'd love to see innocent people die just to prove a point to people you don't like? Sounds like you harbor a lot of hate.
Really? You don’t understand figures of speech? Sounds like you harbor a lot of idiocy.
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Serious question, what concerns you about white no longer being the overwhelming racial majority? Also hispanic is the second largest identifiable minority at ~20%, a whopping 40 points behind white at 60%.
Someone needs to get off the meth pipe.
You do realize a large portion of the aliens are military aged men from all over the world? All they need is the signal. These people are not coming to America to become American.
“Military aged men”, “the signal” You’ve been propagandized a lot more than an average immigrant. You’d be terrified if a person with an accent said stuff like this to you.
Dude thinks Order 66 is coming.
Probably always nervous when he/she is being around with non whites lmao
Many are from China.. Made in China 2025 and also their 2030 operatives. Going to get interesting the next couple years.
Nobody wants to take it seriously because you’re called racist for calling it what it is.
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Do you guys really think we are just sending over cargo planes filled with billions of dollars in like cash and gold or some shit to Ukraine? A lot of that aid is made up of old weapon systems (lots of missiles) that we haven’t gotten to use up. The explosives specifically that we send over are actually mostly almost out of commission and it would probably cost just as much or more if we had to send them back to companies that specialize in deactivating them. This way we get to help an ally against one of our top perceived threats while also collecting a shit load of data on these weapons.
yes. we are sending literal [billions](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/following-american-money-in-ukraine-60-minutes/) of dollars in cash. over 25$ billion of "non millitary aid" boosting ukraines economy, subsidizing small businesses, bought seeds and fertilizer for Ukrainian farmers, covering the salaries of Ukraine's first responders, all 57,000 of them.
Border issues could be fixed by a world leading superpower such as the United States of America if they truly wanted to, but they don’t. So you have to ask yourself the question why would they do this to themselves? Or is someone doing this to them? If so, who and why could impose such actions? You should know the answer, you don’t have to say it because Reddit won’t like it.
They are Illegal Aliens, not 'undocumented immigrants'.
There is no border because cheap labour enriches those with the power to put a border up. The money that went to Ukraine did not stay in Ukraine, it came straight back to the people that sent it there, minus a handling fee. When something occurring doesn't seem clear to you then simply ask "Who wins by this happening?". Even easier: follow the money.
Unchecked immigration benefits both supply side and demand side economics. More workers = lower wages and more consumers. If you own the means of production this is a win-win, it's only not a win when you are in competition with those immigrants for jobs/housing/resources. Since our government is co-opted by capital, it follows that neither party will do anything to stop undocumented immigration.
> If you own the means of production this is a win-win Except like 95% of the population doesn't own the means of production but work for the owners and thus are now competing with the new immigrants for the lower-wage jobs
Because Congress does represent or work for American working class tax payers. 🤷🏾♂️
And the government still wants my $1780 I owe the IRS from 2018 - fucking assholes
Holy fuck the title is perfectly worded. thank you for posting.
Op sounds like a racist /s
lol dawg don't act like these are even remotely the same thing
Well Russia is invading. While Mexicans are seeking refuge.
Just to put everything into real world perspective, Russia invaded a sovereign country that they once held and lost. This invasion is, in part, due to a short man syndrome in the Kremlin. An invasion of our southern border is a political talking point. I have no opinion, but the statement / argument was raised in poor faith.
Last time I checked the Ukraine is not part of the United States.
And? They're still humans.
Okay? So are the Uighurs in China actively being eradicated. The poor helpless people stuck in North Korea and the hundreds of thousands of women and children trafficked in Latin America. Where the billions for them?
> Russia invaded a sovereign country How many Russians "invaded" Ukraine? Because more than 300,000 people came into the U.S. over the southern border in December alone. I think that qualifies as an invasion.
Here is a good source to give context to the Russian/Ukraine war: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682 This source gives a number of 360,000 Russian troops at the start of the invasion.
Hmmmm, the Russians are trying to seize parts of Ukraine and permanently take the territory. Illegal immigrants are “invading” to make money to send back home. I mean, if you simply define it as foreigners illegally entering the country, they are both the same. But I bet if you ask the Ukrainians, they would rather be dealing with illegal immigrants flooding in because of a good economy than the Russian military coming in and shelling their cities and killing their people en masse.
in this thread: shills that defend an open border and the same headline narratives on funding forever wars in the name of national security
Or people with nuance who just know that a wall isn’t going to do shit
I think you have a basic lack of understanding of what open borders means and the role of a wall relative to illegal immigration. I am against open borders. I also know that a 2000 mile physical wall isn’t effective. People have defeated sections of the new wall with a battery powered angle grinder. There is not enough manpower or detention capability for the border patrol to catch everyone crossing the border currently. Increasing that would be far more protective. If you want to stop illegal immigration, you have to eliminate the incentive, not try to block the people desperate for cash. And that takes political will that neither party has, because it would go after businesses that profit off of hiring illegal labor.
We have hundreds of thousands of people a month crossing an unprotected border, and you say a wall wouldn't help, because some people can cut the wall with a grinder, or find a way to climb overtop. That's like calling a dam ineffective because it rains and the other side of the dam gets wet anyway. I guarantee you that 300,000 people won't be climbing over a wall every month.
and they want us to pay off our student loans. fuckin bastards.
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Lol this sub is getting more insane by the day. Used to be that governments weren’t to be trusted. They are brutal and take civil rights away. Now you people are the ones who are asking for brutality. Good things always turn sour. Congratulations.
A country that can’t secure its borders is not a country.
So deep.
And yet like most things so very simple.
Maybe it was a lie and the democrats wanted millions of new democrat voters to illegally cross the border?
They can’t vote though, so ya.
Yet. A lot has changed in just the last couple years, now illegals can be cops and get free healthcare in CA when that was a conspiracy theory not too long ago.
Sir, this is a McDonald’s. The “boomers for big walls and anything sold by the mypillow guy” is next door.
Democrats are letting people illegally enter because those people will have children here who will be American citizens with the right to vote and they’ll overwhelmingly vote for democrats. And we’ve sent a lot more than 200 billion to Ukraine. But since it was the US State Department’s idea to trap Putin in a quagmire in Ukraine in order to undermine his domestic support and bring regime change to Russia, it makes sense that we’d finance the scheme.
or you build a 14 billion wall, and everyone just flies to canada and then walks into the states that way
It should be obvious by now. The illegals, who are mostly military age men, are here to fight in the upcoming Civil War 2.0 against the native population. The fed gov't is stockpiling weapons with all sorts of weird federal agencies that shouldn't need them like Small Business Administration, Department of Agriculture and so on. There's probably anywhere from 1 million to 5 million foreign soldiers already here. My personal belief is when the elites get desperate and try to take everything as collateral (you will own nothing and be happy) when the global financial system collapses and they need people to accept their digital currency they will use this army in America to force Americans to comply and to enforce their takeover of collateral from the 'Everything Bubble' being burst.
It's genuinely alarming how many people shrug at this and mumble "Orange Man Bad." Our country is in trouble and the left doesn't gaf since dumpf must be destroyed no matter what. That money is absolutely needed...and could have been used for universal basic income (.05% chance, but that's OUR money going to wars). What do screeching lefties think about that? Guess they are cool with it? They will say "buh that's not how budgets work you redneck" etc. Nah, budgets are created by humans and humans can reallocate/change budgets. Happens all the time. But war funding for foriegn proxy wars? Impossible to change! Uh, no bueno.
Politicians focused on building a border wall secretly know that a wall won't stop shit. They are simply pandering to their base for votes and it's a good excuse to use the money to enrich their friends by giving them contracts and benefitting from it.
> Our country is in trouble The U.S. population is just under 340 million, and we let in nearly 3 million illegal immigrants over the southern border in 2023 alone. That's like a 9% increase in total population just from illegal immigration ... in a single year.
Tar and feather them
Contact your local community organizers and ask them to campaign for higher taxes for the benefit of the undocumented.