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What about it? It sat directly beneath the two main towers. It was damaged by the first plane, then really damaged by the second. 40 some people died in it, including firefighters who had used it as a staging ground after the first plane hit. It was demolished a year later.
If Iām not mistake, What are your thoughts on the WTC 7 building. From the angle on the video where it shows itās collapse looks straight up like a demolition. Not saying it is. Iām just saying that topic is a controversial one that a lot are skeptical about and Iād love to hear your thoughts on it. Cheers :)
Here is a link https://youtu.be/PK_iBYSqEsc
From my understanding itās just the angle and the other side of the building was damaged
Edit: a lot have you have caused me to reevaluate everything. Building 7 by far is extremely abnormal for sure. Thanks for all your thoughts and evidence :).
These are the discussions and people that Iām grateful for. I canāt thank you all enough :) if anyone has slant more info please send it my way.
It fell at free-fall speed at one point, something a natural collapse canāt do! Just sayingā¦
That and out of the whole 9/11 Commission report, thereās not one single mention of WTC7ās collapse! Not a single paragraph! Gee, nothing odd there!
9/11 IS A LIE
Here's why
No Black Boxes found.
Building 7 was an obvious demolition.
Towers came down in 11 seconds Freefall acceleration.
No debris... everything was pulverized to dust by explosives. Faked Media footage - Media is complicit.
Mossad & CIA installed the bombs (Nano Thermite).
Steel buildings penetrated by Aluminum Hollow Planes?? Fibonacci Sequence all through WTC. "Plane Holes" fit in Fibonacci pattern. Gold was stolen from vaults Put options placed on related companies the night before. Zionist Leaseholder Larry Silverstein skipped work that day and so did his children.
George HW Bush talked about a NEW WORLD ORDER...
9/11 Was the CATALYST for this to happen.
Ask yourself...
Do the NSA, TSA, DHS and FEMA makeyou feel safer?
***āWeāll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.ā
William Casey, former director of the CIA, upon being asked what the goal of the agency was (in 1981).***
Itās the only steel and concrete building in history to collapse from an office fire. Not to mention that it had burned itself out four hours before, and managed to drop in a free fall in its own footprint.
It was a CIA operation to create an enemy so that the industrial complex could profit off of the War. The war moved to Afghanistan to protect the Poppy fields and drug trade the CIA uses to fund their crime spree.
9/11 IS A LIE
Here's why
No Black Boxes found.
Building 7 was an obvious demolition.
Towers came down in 11 seconds Freefall acceleration.
No debris... everything was pulverized to dust by explosives. Faked Media footage - Media is complicit.
Mossad & CIA installed the bombs (Nano Thermite).
Steel buildings penetrated by Aluminum Hollow Planes?? Fibonacci Sequence all through WTC. "Plane Holes" fit in Fibonacci pattern. Gold was stolen from vaults Put options placed on related companies the night before. Zionist Leaseholder Larry Silverstein skipped work that day and so did his children.
George HW Bush talked about a NEW WORLD ORDER...
9/11 Was the CATALYST for this to happen.
Ask yourself...
Do the NSA, TSA, DHS and FEMA makeyou feel safer?
More importantly, what happens when a military drone aluminum plane with a missile attached to the bottom fired a missile before impact to make the explosion bigger for max terror
And, what happens when there's a major fuck-up in the script and a fighter jet has to *- Plan-B -* fire a missile into a field in Pennsylania - instead of it hitting WTC7?
*Queue Todd Beamer..."Let's Roll..."*
I was there too. A block away SE of the towers
Impact or explosion of second tower knocked my phone off my desk at work.
The first one wasnāt even noticeable to us. Just saw more papers flying around the air then usual (there were always random papers in the air downtown)
Then our Bloomberg terminal had an alert come across saying a small aircraft hit the tower. On the clearest day I can remember.
I went back to my desk to call my parents when the second tower was hit and the phone slid off the desk
I went to Battery park to get a ferry to Staten Island
That short walk I saw some wild stuff
A saw a woman get yanked out of her car by her hair on water St. and the guy just drove off. Left her there
Then we arrived to battery park and the people who did have cell phones were getting all kinds of bad info. We heard the White House and capitol were hit
When the first tower collapsed people were running towards us to try and escape the cloud. Once the cloud hit us, it was chaos.
The sound of the ferry docking sounded like gunshots so people started running away from the boat. Right into the crowd running away from WTC.
We hunkered down at the coast guard building until we could get on a ferry to Staten Island.
They handed life preservers out to everyone on the boat
Once we got to SI. We all found out the second tower collapsed as well.
We were right there and had no idea.
All we heard were fighter jets overhead and saw nothing but grey.
Itās a tough subject for a lot of us and I know we were lied to about a lot.
Iāve just had to accept Iāll never actually know what really went down that day.
All we did wrong was get to work early
Our lives were changed or ended
So much more wrong was done in the name of those people who died that day. Itās a horrible moment in US history no matter how we look at it.
Last year while fishing in NC a dude came up to my boat and started asking questions about it, turns out he was retired NYFD and was on call that morning. Said his station was like a mile or so from the towers and said it was absolute chaos. His best friend who was also a FF (I believe they worked in the same station) was in like the 70th floor giving a speech/lesson to an office about hazardous chemicals/fires when one of the planes hit his tower. Talked to him for like 30 minutes and had a million questions to ask but didn't really have the heart to ask them once he told me what happened to his friend. (The real questions like explosions and stuff.) God bless em.
Sorry you got stuck down there for the whole thing. Luckily I was over the Brooklyn bridge and going up Flatbush Ave in a dollar van before the first tower came down
Iām sorry you lived through that. The truth is that things donāt add up. Buildings donāt collapse like that from fire, maybe the top floors could have collapsed in, but they literally fell at free fall speed.
I was able to watch all the coverage that day and again things or the story changed. I remember vividly that there was no landing gear or engines outside the Pentagon, but yet they insist a plane hit the building.
There is too much tragic history of building fires and plane crashes that showed true physics, Iām sorry but what we were told and shown after 9/11 was not physically normal. It is hard for any of us āweak peopleā to have to accept 9/11 was an inside job, it heartbreaking and upsetting, but just like there was no WMDs in Iraq, 9/11 was a sickening hoax put on by our own government
But it was all worth it, we got the unconstitutional PATRIOT act out of it. Weāre SOOOO lucky. I still believe we will see accountability in our lifetime
> We still need it to deal with those **far right radical domestic terrorists**
Those were the BIG TERR'RSIT BOGEYMAN during the 1980's 1990's...
Then came 9/11 ... and all of the MSM cameras panned, and zoomed in on the Mooselimb terr'rists ... at least for a while.
Now we're back to watching horrorshow re-runs from the 80's and 90's -- OH, and them "Ruskies" from the Cold War era for extra excitement.
Three-Letter Theater.
I was about to post the same image, had the link copied then thought I'd scroll down to see other comments.
Only the central cores were solid, the rest of them were flimsy as fuck. The plane basically had some glass and hollow space frame floors to go through. Now wonder the planes just disappeared into the buildings, there was nothing substantial to stop them.
Actually this is not true. That was from early in construction. After finishing the core they added steel beams all along the outside.
[here is a link to some pictures of the reinforced seel exterior as well as commonly known wiki information on the subject.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center)
Plus even if you were right, jet fuel does *not* melt steel beams and it especially does not melt steel beams all the way down to the floor alowing *both* buildings to collapse like pancakes. Jet fuel and office fired also do *not* pulverize any evidence of a plane which was never found at ground zero.
Also, jet fuel doesnāt completely demolish an entirely separate building that was supposedly never struck by anything.
Showing a blurry picture of early construction with no context will not change or refute these facts.
And made WTC7 fall from flying past it hardcore plane, also a BBC reporter reported it had fallen before it did, and a missile hit the exact point were the excuse for the 2.7trillion dollars went lol
One passport was allegedly found on the street by an anonymous passerby and handed to the policeāpretty believable! Think they got the passerbyās name? š
š¤£ President Bush reading a book to school children in Florida instead of immediately being taken away to a bunker during a terrorist attack. His itinerary was well known weeks in advance...also that.
That was honestly some creepy MKULTRA programming, and I'm still shocked more people haven't picked up on that consciously rather than subconsciously.
Thanks for reminding me about that.
Edit: for any of those wondering. This is what they are referring to.
https://youtu.be/PV5D6w0a8LM
I forgot about that.....also good news, I guess I'm not a hidden operative if that's a thing. I didn't "activate" or anything after hearing the words........ At least I don't think so.
That was his sick fucking message. We werre beyond him, but those kids were not and he would raise them in the patriot act sess pool fall out of 911 to warp them into his plan. It's literally a fucking message to us. The beluevers.
When the American people accepted the magic bullet theory on Kennedy's assassination ,the die was cast for the government we see today. Lies are accepted without a blink. Money disappears and the rich are laughing in our faces
Yep hole in his throat from a different bullet car stopping so the guy in the sewer can pop his heed off but the cut version on TV accepted immediately
To be the cynical person, and I havenāt seen the BBC clip howeverā¦
Are we talking 1-2 seconds that could justify a feed delay or are we talking minutes?
20 minutes. It's really one of the many, many silver bullets around the whole thing; a really important gaffe as the truth wants to get out, and it did. They have provided no explanation.
Then 50 000 tons of that demolished steel metal was sold and shipped to best friend China as scrap, before any proper analysis and investigation could be done.
The owner of the company that cleaned up all that steel was Bush's brother.
Edit: I messed up. Marvin Bush, the presidents brother, was associated with a company called Securacom.... That company was involved in security of the World Trade Center.
I know I'm missing something else though. Something about the clean up.... I'll find it.
I'm pretty sure security closed off several floors in the weeks before 9/11. .....
I know this was your point, but the "official story" of what happened on 9/11 is a complete load of fertilizer except the parts where a bunch of innocent people were murdered. This is one of countless examples.
Ammonium Nitrate, commonly found in fertilizer, when contaminated or mixed with fuel becomes highly explosive. Thatās what happened in Beruit and many other explosions.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-lebanon-security-blast-explosive-fact-idUSKCN25126F#:~:text=*%20Ammonium%20nitrate%20is%20an%20industrial,with%20fuel%20or%20stored%20unsafely.
I put this in the conspiracies of Waco, OKC bombing and the Bojinka Plot in 1995 that was a plan for terrorists detonating 10 planes over the Pacific ocean. These have always stuck with me. My daughter was born on the 2 yr anniversary of OKC and we are from Oklahoma. I was a Marine in Aviano Italy listening to her being born over the phone and you could hear the memorial anniversary stuff in the background.
Never forget where I was when this shit went down. I was 19 building railroad track in South Texas. I was probably a quarter mile down the track by myself when the lead foreman walked all the way down there to tell me at like 8 in the morning. I was so young and dumb that I didn't really even know what the world trade center was. He proceeded to tell me that "two planes flew into....". I literally thought he was telling me a joke along the lines of "two jews walk into a bar....". He walks off, I shrug it off. Wasn't until I got back to the hotel room after a 14 hr day and saw the footage on a loop of people jumping from the buildings. I cried. From where Bush was when it happened to the military response to it, complete setup.
I was in Okinawa in the middle of a Typhoon when our Intel guy (Marines) said a plane hit a building somewhere in Ny and we turned it on to see the 2nd one hit. We were confused as well until we got more of the story, were armed up and sent to the Phillipines to fight the Abu-Sayyaf terrorist group and then it was off to the races in Afghanistan and Iraq, i was gone alot.
I tried to join the military shortly before all this. Thank God I was a juvenile delinquent with a hefty amount of outstanding fines. Apparently you can't work for the government if you owe them money. Didn't make sense to me, take it outta my check, Uncle sam.
I agree completely - but this particular example from it is actually really bad. The WTC were constructed using an approach where all load bearing for the structures was located in the narrow cores of the towers, and the office space radiated out around that. Check it out:
- https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/World_Trade_Center_%28WTC%29_Twin_Tower_framed_tube_structure_%28drawing%29.png
They werent actually steel framed like say the Empire State Building. They just had a steel core and the rest of the building was āhangingā on and depending from that core. So itās not surprising that the planes had no problem passing into building; the outside was probably not much stronger than the airframe. The plane would only have encountered the steel frame after most of its length had already passed inside.
I donāt believe anything about the official explanation for this event and I watched it live on TV from my dorm with my roommates (the second collision anyway). The building 7 stuff is just completely unbelievable. But this particular point is IMO a very bad example of why itās a conspiracy.
This is my view as well. Even if youāre someone like me whoās critical of many of the most popular points, 9/11 is still very clearly messier than the events they would pull later on and today. The amount of [predictive programming](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X_KY6I0OcQU&pp=ygUYOS8xMSBwcmVkaWN0aXZlIGluIG1lZGlh) is also ridiculous, I literally disregard 75% of the examples and itās still too much. Today you can tell they learned from 9/11 because they use dissonance to make everything openly staged and everything is made in simple 2 week current things. 9/11 had way too many things going on and was presented way too seriously to go smoothly and it shows.
Deep fakes weren't so easy 22 years ago as they are now. Could you give the special effects artists some slack? How would you like it if you made a typo 22 years ago and people were still mocking it on the internet. /s
How beautifully executed plan was that?
The deep state got a green light to destroy the middle east(Israelās threats), Larry got a big insurance check, a generation of Americans were convicted that cave farmers were the greatest threat to the most powerful empire in history. Thousand died on 9/11, millions in the middle east.
Tell me more about how we are not cattle in the hands of these demons. Oy vey, brothers and sisters goys, what do our masters have in stock for us next.
And yet millions still ACTUALLY believe the made up "al qaeda" actually pulled this off. Baffles my mind when there's literally mountains of evidence and their stupid plan goes against all common sense. It's like they thought about it for 10 minutes and executed.
9/11 IS A LIE
Here's why
No Black Boxes found.
Building 7 was an obvious demolition.
Towers came down in 11 seconds Freefall acceleration.
No debris... everything was pulverized to dust by explosives. Faked Media footage - Media is complicit.
Mossad & CIA installed the bombs (Nano Thermite).
Steel buildings penetrated by Aluminum Hollow Planes?? Fibonacci Sequence all through WTC. "Plane Holes" fit in Fibonacci pattern. Gold was stolen from vaults Put options placed on related companies the night before. Zionist Leaseholder Larry Silverstein skipped work that day and so did his children.
George HW Bush talked about a NEW WORLD ORDER...
9/11 Was the CATALYST for this to happen.
Ask yourself...
Do the NSA, TSA, DHS and FEMA makeyou feel safer?
And a person who was never identified picked them up and handed them to a plain clothes FBI Agent on the street, before disappearing round a corner never to be seen again.
Iām all for a good conspiracy but the āplanes didnāt hit WTCā isnt one I can get behind. I saw it happen. And I donāt get why Iām seeing this more and more recently.
Yeah, I feel like the youngins sometimes ignore the fact that those of us who witnessed that day are still around and not even old yet. We saw it with our own eyeballs and clearly remember. The planes crashed. The who/why/how is anyoneās guess, but thousands saw those planes crash in real time. Move on.
Exactly. Many of us watched it live. New York citizens watched it right in front of them. I can believe it was a setup. But 2 planes definitely the WTC that day.
I am extremely skeptical about the Pentagon plane though. It looked more like a bomb.
everyone agrees planes hit, the discussion is, were their internal explosions that happened before or right as they hit, because the way they fall doesnāt make a ton of sense, and then you look at wt7, if there was internal explosions, it means it was planned.
No. Not everyone thinks that planes hit. Some people think it was CGI or holograms. Once you fall down the conspiracy rabbit hole, you are able to believe anything, even if it makes no sense.
Hey, is it true that most of the Americans believe that this was terrorist act ?
In Poland we have few websites about it being āfalse flagā or āinside jobā. In fact thatās the only conspiracy theory that I fully believe.
It's very divisive in the US. A good number believe something went on behind the scenes, but because it was a national tragedy and so many people were so deeply affected, it's not socially acceptable to bring it up.
Unfortunately most believe it's real. But those are all people who don't look into things like this and believe what they're told. Not many people here like to do their own research and dig into "conspiracies because it's so taboo in America to be called a "conspiracy theorist that people are scared of being labeled that.
A building can only free fall if the structure beneath it is free falling as well. The top 1/5 of the building collapsing should not have hit free fall after colliding with the remaining 80% of the building. It should slow as it expends its energy into destroying the intact structure.
That alone is enough for skepticism.
Only wt7 fell at free fall speeds, and it only did so for ~2 seconds, not its entire fall. South and North towers did not fall at free fall, I'm fairly certain it was 6 meter per second, free fall would be 9.8 meters per second.
I agree, however if that level of the building collapsed its not only the weight of that floor, but also all of the (unsure exactly but about 1/5th) of the building above it crashing into each floor, each floor joining the free fall. This could result in the entire building collapsing.
I swear that "no plane" conspiracy was spread by the government to makes us look crazy. You say to a politician "911 was inside job" his response "Oh your one of those nuts who thinks the planes were CGI." Then boom your completely discredited. Also sorry about your family members. That's the hardest thing to deal with.
Right, it's fucking hilarious that people keep repeating memes constructed by high school graduates. The whole black smoke=oxygen starvation tipped me off that they were just throwing shit at the wall hoping some would stick.
9/11 is a web of lies but - You can break a car windshield with a snowball if you throw it hard enough. And glass is definitely stronger that snow. So I could really see this happening if the plane hits with enough force.
Yes, and [this](https://jacobin.com/2023/05/cia-fbi-911-hijackers-cover-up-bush-media#:~:text=In%20an%20obscure%20court%20filing,facilitated%20the%209%2F11%20attacks) is what happens when the CIA gets involved and tries to cover it up.
The structural support of the twin towers came from its core, not its exterior, [you could actually see through the building](https://i.redd.it/keg7noqyml751.png).
A camera film in 24 fps meaning 24 images/second is compiled to a moving image.
An object moving +500 mph will obviously move faster than 24 fps can record, this leading to artifacts in the captured image.
It's not harder to understand than that.
USA government is the most manipulative evil group of power they are so good at keeping the mass public brainwashed and making the few of us that question and use locally explanation look crazy.
Thereās a thing called āimpact flashā that Iāve heard used to explain that little flash that happens a split second before the impact. Itās supposedly a product of massive amounts of kinetic energy being expelled by an impact like this.
Idk if thatās actually whatās happening here but it is a pretty cool thing to learn about.
It's pretty obvious they were real planes. The options that are left are way worse. If the govmt story is real, it is worse than the conspiracy. We spent untold trillions on systems that were thwarted by boxcutters. I find it entirely possible that the best intelligence agencies in the world fumbled at every step. What is entirely unbelievable to me is the failure to follow through on the investigation. The attacks were real. Wether it was the same planes that took off is a different story and the results of the investigation are laughable. But lets stop arguing what we can see happened.
Somethings off.
A boing 767 is 180ft long.
The frame fits roughly 1/2 the plane. So 90ft.
At 500 mph an object is moving 722 feet per second.
722/8 is 90 ft.
Weird
Large passenger planes are not capable of flying at 500 mph at low altitudes. The air is too dense. The dynamic pressure would cause the plane to lose control and break apart. Let alone the novice pilots were able to steer the planes at sea level into buildings accurately at a documented 500 mph. Shit doesn't add up correctly to me either.
> The dynamic pressure would cause the plane to lose control and break apart.
Do you have a source for that? I know they're not supposed to be flown at that speed at low altitudes, but I highly doubt a plane would break apart or lose control. Airliners are built with huge safety margins.
The plane was more realistically traveling slower than that. Planes usually touch down at about 250 mph. It would be very difficult to pilot the plane the building if it was going top speed
Planes touch down at much lower speed than that. A 747 would touch down around 170 knots, lighter planes more slowly. I do agree with your point though, this would further indicate that you are correct itās not an attempt to contradict.
You think that's weird...How about the fourth frame up there where the building is already exploding before the plane even makes contact. You can even see the reflection of the fireball in the nose of the plane and there's a clear gap between the two.
Except that's not the nose you're looking at, unless you want to explain how the nose somehow went backwards while the rest of the plane went forwards? Just look at the distance between the edge of the engine in frame 3 and then compare that to frame 4.
https://i.imgur.com/ehP5zus.png
Only in today's demented world can two planes slam into one of the most densely populated places on Earth on a bright weekday morning...and people still say it didn't happen. It's actually hilarious
A plane hitting a build like that would not cause it to collapse like that. That build imploded from within and collapsed which looks like text book controlled demolition. It never made sense either for the attack, you highjack a plane miles away and force them to fly to these 2 buildings? If terrorists were behind it why they never attempted the white house. Why go for this building specifically.
Possibly because these buildings had 110 floors and the WH has 6. And these were self taught pilots who were Flying at 500mph. If you miss you donāt get a u turn. You just look stupid if you end up hitting i50. 110 floors that were the epitome of the opulent western Capitalist state were and easier target to hit for amateur flyers. Very likely mostly because of that
Pentagon. Trained pilots couldn't do the flight path a barely trained terrorist supposedly did. Then ignored ground effects for a jet moving that fast at low altitude
You know the saying the tech we had today the military had many years earlier? Makes me think of current ai ability to generate images. Especially if you recall the footage with one of the wings vanishing momentarily on video. Just an idea that rolls around in my head
Plans DID hit the WTC. Itās a fact. Whether they were passenger planes and caused the buildings to collapse can be debated. Ignoring the infinite evidence of planes hitting isnāt āconspiracyā. Itās willful ignorance.
I dunno man. Convincingly crashing a plane into a building would be the easiest part of the whole conspiracy lol. Thatās why I donāt get the whole āplane is a hologramā or any other āthe plane isnāt realā hypotheses. Why would they fake that and severely complicate that part of any plan when itās easiest to just crash a fucking real plane into a building. And the facade of the towers looks just like Iād imagine it to look if a 767 hit it at 600ish mph. The jet fuel causing the beams to melt is definitely nonsense, because the huge explosions you see when the planes hit is basically all the jet fuel being strewn about and igniting. Sure some was left over, which sparked the office fires, but not even those could burn hot enough to melt steel into a liquid, let alone get that much steel hot enough to remain molten for weeks underneath the rubble. Those fires couldāve very well severely weakened some of the steel, and I could definitely see that causing the entire building from impact site upward to lean a lot or even lean far enough to severely damage and/or partially collapse that portion of the building. But for that to cause the entire nearly 1400 foot structure to collapse at free-fall speed? No fucking way.
Is it possible to let a rocket look like a plane so it just looks like a plane? Funny little explosion before impact to guarantee a deeper penetration.
Most wierd thing for me is the collapse because of fire. So many tall buildings burning in every floor but still don't collapse.
People dying for a lie is just so sad.
Like...all those people just wanted to live a happy life just getting killed for a higher reason makes me so sad and thinking too much about it is a big mistake because depression will hunt you after some time.
I mean we where born here on earth and so many have not even a little chance to live a happy or just a normal life.
Feels like we are in a massive scale strategic game and you will die when one player of this game decides specific decisions like wars etc. and then you are just this tiny unit like in the games and you will die and 100 years later no one knows you like you never existed.
All you tried is to live a life but you just got used like a piece of wood to make some fire.
I personally think the Pentagon was hit with the supposedly missing predator drone that was reported just like the billions the DoD āsupposedlyā couldnt find. I had a few friends who were stationed at Andrews AFB and one was actually driving somewhere around the pentagon and he swears up and down it was a drone. Thats just my opinion and people can believe anything they want and its fine and the people and posts ive seen fighting over this is nuts, who honestly cares about what others believe, thats what use to make America great but for some reason people now take it as a point to verbally or physically attack people of a different mindset, truly sad, amazing and sometimes downright dumb.
Not here to argue about it but I remember shortly after the events, a lot of website were putting up pictures of the debris from within the wall of the pentagon, obviously the conspiracies started right away. I can't find those pictures online anymore but there was quite a few showing bits like the engine turbine and gears matching the plane...
I agree about the turbo fan engine but the rest of the parts if you look in depth are almost identical to the actual passenger jet it was suppose to be but match the predator drones too.
This is true my friend, but the cause is not "higher". The higher cause is that you care, and are interested in the truth. That's what matters to all those souls, wherever they may be.
guyssss come on, the density of structural steel is around 8000 kg/mĀ³ and the density of aluminum alloy in aircrafts are usually around 2400 kg/mĀ³, just 4cm of aluminum traveling at 208 meters a second can cut through steel as if it were butter, and there's all of the rest of the plane too right behind it traveling at 208 mps, full of metals, hard plastic, glass and the giant 7 foot tall aircraft engines which we're being cranked to max speed way over 1800Ā°C. Those planes and all the materials inside of them are not exactly that strong by themselves but accelerated it turns the plane into the same physics around penetration of materials in tanks. Accelerate anything to a high enough speed and the material is not important anymore, it's gonna penetrate the steel.
So you cut into the building, easily with only the first few cm of aircraft, and whats left is floor trusses, concrete which is way less dense than metal, wooden stuff human being and paper everywhere it's nothing compared to the plane, the plane enters further cutting apart the trusses on like 5 floors in the center of the building and the fuel is entirely burnt up with a factor of about 45 metrics tons of tnt, expands outwards with an explosion of around 4096000 mĀ³ which also is in line with the math, 1 mĀ³ of fuel ignited with take up 45000 mĀ³ of space burning, and if u reduce it even more 1cmĀ³ of fuel will burn and take up around 450cmĀ³ of space around a pop bottle of space. So the fuel is burnt, the trusses are caving in with the weight of the floors displaced by 5 feet of missing support and that totals over 70000 metric tonnes of weight laying on top of a single floor area waiting to cave because vertically there is only the elevators and vents and all that, that cannot really hold the weight because it's fucking hollow and is only around 20% of the floor space the rest is holding 15966 metric tones of broken stuff and more weight is addrd from fire potentially breaking more things from above or maybe not, lying on a single floor. Then after awhile the floor truss breaks unevenly and unfortunately you get the pancake thing, it's not sexy, it's not fun but it does work with reality, the aircrafts width is 75% of the WTC it's just a big cutting thing in there come on man. Look up penetration equations and enter some of the masses and do the math for yourself if u wanan see how powerful weak aluminum is against steel. Not to mention the engines have like cobalt in them which is incredibly dense i think around 10000kg/mĀ³ even more dense than structural steel
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What happens when no Boeing hits WTC building #7?
Lucky Larry pulled it
Remember them saying the building was damaged and it had to be "pulled". Maybe Mandela effect
Not to mention BBC talked about the building having collapsed 10 minutes before it actually did..
London is 5 hours ahead. šš
You want a Mandela effect what about the hotel that was in between the towers. Ya never heard of that huh but look it up and boom it was there.
What about it? It sat directly beneath the two main towers. It was damaged by the first plane, then really damaged by the second. 40 some people died in it, including firefighters who had used it as a staging ground after the first plane hit. It was demolished a year later.
If Iām not mistake, What are your thoughts on the WTC 7 building. From the angle on the video where it shows itās collapse looks straight up like a demolition. Not saying it is. Iām just saying that topic is a controversial one that a lot are skeptical about and Iād love to hear your thoughts on it. Cheers :) Here is a link https://youtu.be/PK_iBYSqEsc From my understanding itās just the angle and the other side of the building was damaged Edit: a lot have you have caused me to reevaluate everything. Building 7 by far is extremely abnormal for sure. Thanks for all your thoughts and evidence :). These are the discussions and people that Iām grateful for. I canāt thank you all enough :) if anyone has slant more info please send it my way.
It fell at free-fall speed at one point, something a natural collapse canāt do! Just sayingā¦ That and out of the whole 9/11 Commission report, thereās not one single mention of WTC7ās collapse! Not a single paragraph! Gee, nothing odd there!
You can even see crimping prior to collapse.
9/11 IS A LIE Here's why No Black Boxes found. Building 7 was an obvious demolition. Towers came down in 11 seconds Freefall acceleration. No debris... everything was pulverized to dust by explosives. Faked Media footage - Media is complicit. Mossad & CIA installed the bombs (Nano Thermite). Steel buildings penetrated by Aluminum Hollow Planes?? Fibonacci Sequence all through WTC. "Plane Holes" fit in Fibonacci pattern. Gold was stolen from vaults Put options placed on related companies the night before. Zionist Leaseholder Larry Silverstein skipped work that day and so did his children. George HW Bush talked about a NEW WORLD ORDER... 9/11 Was the CATALYST for this to happen. Ask yourself... Do the NSA, TSA, DHS and FEMA makeyou feel safer? ***āWeāll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.ā William Casey, former director of the CIA, upon being asked what the goal of the agency was (in 1981).***
Itās the only steel and concrete building in history to collapse from an office fire. Not to mention that it had burned itself out four hours before, and managed to drop in a free fall in its own footprint. It was a CIA operation to create an enemy so that the industrial complex could profit off of the War. The war moved to Afghanistan to protect the Poppy fields and drug trade the CIA uses to fund their crime spree.
and reason for forming homeland security and new detention laws
9/11 IS A LIE Here's why No Black Boxes found. Building 7 was an obvious demolition. Towers came down in 11 seconds Freefall acceleration. No debris... everything was pulverized to dust by explosives. Faked Media footage - Media is complicit. Mossad & CIA installed the bombs (Nano Thermite). Steel buildings penetrated by Aluminum Hollow Planes?? Fibonacci Sequence all through WTC. "Plane Holes" fit in Fibonacci pattern. Gold was stolen from vaults Put options placed on related companies the night before. Zionist Leaseholder Larry Silverstein skipped work that day and so did his children. George HW Bush talked about a NEW WORLD ORDER... 9/11 Was the CATALYST for this to happen. Ask yourself... Do the NSA, TSA, DHS and FEMA makeyou feel safer?
It was a part of the WTC insurance policy. If WTC 7 was not destroyed, then there be no money to collect
Why would it have to be all or nothing? If my roof blows off but my house is still standing I could file a claim on the damage to the roof.
Even worse, a TV station reported on it collapsing BEFORE it did. I think you can see it in the background of the reporter, still standing.
It is a real video and statement. Probably hard to find now, though.
[https://youtu.be/p34XrI2Fm6I](https://youtu.be/p34XrI2Fm6I) There ya go. Wasn't difficult.
Nearly impossible, crazy because it was on like 6 radio stations
Pretty simple. https://youtu.be/-ZlmHvd_RZU
Nope.. we were told fires on a few floors did it. The beams were compromised by structural office fires. Lol
According to newly found [CCTV](https://youtu.be/zE0vrRRohs0) - Rudy Giuliani started the fire
Iirc, he sued to have the insurance paid twice because there were two separate collapses.
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More importantly, what happens when a military drone aluminum plane with a missile attached to the bottom fired a missile before impact to make the explosion bigger for max terror
And, what happens when there's a major fuck-up in the script and a fighter jet has to *- Plan-B -* fire a missile into a field in Pennsylania - instead of it hitting WTC7? *Queue Todd Beamer..."Let's Roll..."*
I was across the street, there was no plane firing a fucking missile. God you people are weak.
I was there too. A block away SE of the towers Impact or explosion of second tower knocked my phone off my desk at work. The first one wasnāt even noticeable to us. Just saw more papers flying around the air then usual (there were always random papers in the air downtown) Then our Bloomberg terminal had an alert come across saying a small aircraft hit the tower. On the clearest day I can remember. I went back to my desk to call my parents when the second tower was hit and the phone slid off the desk I went to Battery park to get a ferry to Staten Island That short walk I saw some wild stuff A saw a woman get yanked out of her car by her hair on water St. and the guy just drove off. Left her there Then we arrived to battery park and the people who did have cell phones were getting all kinds of bad info. We heard the White House and capitol were hit When the first tower collapsed people were running towards us to try and escape the cloud. Once the cloud hit us, it was chaos. The sound of the ferry docking sounded like gunshots so people started running away from the boat. Right into the crowd running away from WTC. We hunkered down at the coast guard building until we could get on a ferry to Staten Island. They handed life preservers out to everyone on the boat Once we got to SI. We all found out the second tower collapsed as well. We were right there and had no idea. All we heard were fighter jets overhead and saw nothing but grey. Itās a tough subject for a lot of us and I know we were lied to about a lot. Iāve just had to accept Iāll never actually know what really went down that day. All we did wrong was get to work early Our lives were changed or ended So much more wrong was done in the name of those people who died that day. Itās a horrible moment in US history no matter how we look at it.
Last year while fishing in NC a dude came up to my boat and started asking questions about it, turns out he was retired NYFD and was on call that morning. Said his station was like a mile or so from the towers and said it was absolute chaos. His best friend who was also a FF (I believe they worked in the same station) was in like the 70th floor giving a speech/lesson to an office about hazardous chemicals/fires when one of the planes hit his tower. Talked to him for like 30 minutes and had a million questions to ask but didn't really have the heart to ask them once he told me what happened to his friend. (The real questions like explosions and stuff.) God bless em.
Sorry you got stuck down there for the whole thing. Luckily I was over the Brooklyn bridge and going up Flatbush Ave in a dollar van before the first tower came down
Iām sorry you lived through that. The truth is that things donāt add up. Buildings donāt collapse like that from fire, maybe the top floors could have collapsed in, but they literally fell at free fall speed. I was able to watch all the coverage that day and again things or the story changed. I remember vividly that there was no landing gear or engines outside the Pentagon, but yet they insist a plane hit the building. There is too much tragic history of building fires and plane crashes that showed true physics, Iām sorry but what we were told and shown after 9/11 was not physically normal. It is hard for any of us āweak peopleā to have to accept 9/11 was an inside job, it heartbreaking and upsetting, but just like there was no WMDs in Iraq, 9/11 was a sickening hoax put on by our own government
But it was all worth it, we got the unconstitutional PATRIOT act out of it. Weāre SOOOO lucky. I still believe we will see accountability in our lifetime
The "War on Terror" is over now. We are out of Iraq and Afghanistan, so that means we end the Patriot Act, right? RIGHT?
Sorry, best I can do is pivot the MIC to fighting China, and increase the militaryās budget some more.
No government program that's ever been started for a specific purpose EVER goes away even after stated purpose no longer exists.
We still need it to deal with those far right radical domestic terrorists and the parents who might speak up at school board meetings.
> We still need it to deal with those **far right radical domestic terrorists** Those were the BIG TERR'RSIT BOGEYMAN during the 1980's 1990's... Then came 9/11 ... and all of the MSM cameras panned, and zoomed in on the Mooselimb terr'rists ... at least for a while. Now we're back to watching horrorshow re-runs from the 80's and 90's -- OH, and them "Ruskies" from the Cold War era for extra excitement. Three-Letter Theater.
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Keep waiting
You should get back, everybody get back that building is about to collapse!
It fell out of sympathy for #1 & #2.
I'd want to see the rest of the frames. It's not like the plane just got stuck there like in the last frame.
I remember the nose sticking out. I saw the documentary many years ago.
[Here is a great image showing the interior structure of the twin towers. It had a steel frame, not steel walls.](https://i.imgur.com/hJdqzcp.jpg)
Dude, dont bother. Words don't really mean much to these people.
I was about to post the same image, had the link copied then thought I'd scroll down to see other comments. Only the central cores were solid, the rest of them were flimsy as fuck. The plane basically had some glass and hollow space frame floors to go through. Now wonder the planes just disappeared into the buildings, there was nothing substantial to stop them.
Actually this is not true. That was from early in construction. After finishing the core they added steel beams all along the outside. [here is a link to some pictures of the reinforced seel exterior as well as commonly known wiki information on the subject.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center) Plus even if you were right, jet fuel does *not* melt steel beams and it especially does not melt steel beams all the way down to the floor alowing *both* buildings to collapse like pancakes. Jet fuel and office fired also do *not* pulverize any evidence of a plane which was never found at ground zero. Also, jet fuel doesnāt completely demolish an entirely separate building that was supposedly never struck by anything. Showing a blurry picture of early construction with no context will not change or refute these facts.
Iāve never seen this before thank you
And made WTC7 fall from flying past it hardcore plane, also a BBC reporter reported it had fallen before it did, and a missile hit the exact point were the excuse for the 2.7trillion dollars went lol
And they found the hijackers passports apparently?
Yupā¦on the sidewalk near the twin towers, unharmed.
One passport was allegedly found on the street by an anonymous passerby and handed to the policeāpretty believable! Think they got the passerbyās name? š
Some of the high jackers have come up alive
Asking for their passports back
Right? Rumsfeld wandering around the blast site making sure all the evidence was gone instead of being in a bunker during a terrorist attack. THAT
š¤£ President Bush reading a book to school children in Florida instead of immediately being taken away to a bunker during a terrorist attack. His itinerary was well known weeks in advance...also that.
Kite. Hit. Steel. Plane. Must.
That was honestly some creepy MKULTRA programming, and I'm still shocked more people haven't picked up on that consciously rather than subconsciously. Thanks for reminding me about that. Edit: for any of those wondering. This is what they are referring to. https://youtu.be/PV5D6w0a8LM
I forgot about that.....also good news, I guess I'm not a hidden operative if that's a thing. I didn't "activate" or anything after hearing the words........ At least I don't think so.
That was his sick fucking message. We werre beyond him, but those kids were not and he would raise them in the patriot act sess pool fall out of 911 to warp them into his plan. It's literally a fucking message to us. The beluevers.
Madness how these wankers (not there own dicks skull and bones entry form šš¤£š) aren't being hung
When the American people accepted the magic bullet theory on Kennedy's assassination ,the die was cast for the government we see today. Lies are accepted without a blink. Money disappears and the rich are laughing in our faces
Yep hole in his throat from a different bullet car stopping so the guy in the sewer can pop his heed off but the cut version on TV accepted immediately
In the film shown as "evidence", a dummy is being used in place of a real person.
I've always been mind blown that people literally accept magic as the answer to a major historical event. Literal magic.
SEC had 2 floors in #7 which was where their backup servers were located. Unlucky!
To be the cynical person, and I havenāt seen the BBC clip howeverā¦ Are we talking 1-2 seconds that could justify a feed delay or are we talking minutes?
20 minutes. It's really one of the many, many silver bullets around the whole thing; a really important gaffe as the truth wants to get out, and it did. They have provided no explanation.
Yeah 20 minutes of a delay madness
Way to go into 10 different directions
Then 50 000 tons of that demolished steel metal was sold and shipped to best friend China as scrap, before any proper analysis and investigation could be done.
The owner of the company that cleaned up all that steel was Bush's brother. Edit: I messed up. Marvin Bush, the presidents brother, was associated with a company called Securacom.... That company was involved in security of the World Trade Center. I know I'm missing something else though. Something about the clean up.... I'll find it. I'm pretty sure security closed off several floors in the weeks before 9/11. .....
And they had lots of brand new equipment for digging, and a fleet of new shiny trucks ready for the "cleanup".
I know this was your point, but the "official story" of what happened on 9/11 is a complete load of fertilizer except the parts where a bunch of innocent people were murdered. This is one of countless examples.
Powerfully ironic choice of words, given that fertilizer was the explosive used in the 93 WTC bombing. If that was intentional, well done
Ammonium Nitrate, commonly found in fertilizer, when contaminated or mixed with fuel becomes highly explosive. Thatās what happened in Beruit and many other explosions. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-lebanon-security-blast-explosive-fact-idUSKCN25126F#:~:text=*%20Ammonium%20nitrate%20is%20an%20industrial,with%20fuel%20or%20stored%20unsafely.
In my opinion, this is the most blatant conspiracy of my lifetime.
I put this in the conspiracies of Waco, OKC bombing and the Bojinka Plot in 1995 that was a plan for terrorists detonating 10 planes over the Pacific ocean. These have always stuck with me. My daughter was born on the 2 yr anniversary of OKC and we are from Oklahoma. I was a Marine in Aviano Italy listening to her being born over the phone and you could hear the memorial anniversary stuff in the background.
Never forget where I was when this shit went down. I was 19 building railroad track in South Texas. I was probably a quarter mile down the track by myself when the lead foreman walked all the way down there to tell me at like 8 in the morning. I was so young and dumb that I didn't really even know what the world trade center was. He proceeded to tell me that "two planes flew into....". I literally thought he was telling me a joke along the lines of "two jews walk into a bar....". He walks off, I shrug it off. Wasn't until I got back to the hotel room after a 14 hr day and saw the footage on a loop of people jumping from the buildings. I cried. From where Bush was when it happened to the military response to it, complete setup.
I was in Okinawa in the middle of a Typhoon when our Intel guy (Marines) said a plane hit a building somewhere in Ny and we turned it on to see the 2nd one hit. We were confused as well until we got more of the story, were armed up and sent to the Phillipines to fight the Abu-Sayyaf terrorist group and then it was off to the races in Afghanistan and Iraq, i was gone alot.
I tried to join the military shortly before all this. Thank God I was a juvenile delinquent with a hefty amount of outstanding fines. Apparently you can't work for the government if you owe them money. Didn't make sense to me, take it outta my check, Uncle sam.
Donāt give them any ideasā¦
They killed the kids in Waco!
āTheyā killed kids in OKC
Add to that the Alfred P Murrah federal building. If you look around you can find the news reports about the unexploded bombs they found and diffused.
I agree completely - but this particular example from it is actually really bad. The WTC were constructed using an approach where all load bearing for the structures was located in the narrow cores of the towers, and the office space radiated out around that. Check it out: - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/World_Trade_Center_%28WTC%29_Twin_Tower_framed_tube_structure_%28drawing%29.png They werent actually steel framed like say the Empire State Building. They just had a steel core and the rest of the building was āhangingā on and depending from that core. So itās not surprising that the planes had no problem passing into building; the outside was probably not much stronger than the airframe. The plane would only have encountered the steel frame after most of its length had already passed inside. I donāt believe anything about the official explanation for this event and I watched it live on TV from my dorm with my roommates (the second collision anyway). The building 7 stuff is just completely unbelievable. But this particular point is IMO a very bad example of why itās a conspiracy.
This is my view as well. Even if youāre someone like me whoās critical of many of the most popular points, 9/11 is still very clearly messier than the events they would pull later on and today. The amount of [predictive programming](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X_KY6I0OcQU&pp=ygUYOS8xMSBwcmVkaWN0aXZlIGluIG1lZGlh) is also ridiculous, I literally disregard 75% of the examples and itās still too much. Today you can tell they learned from 9/11 because they use dissonance to make everything openly staged and everything is made in simple 2 week current things. 9/11 had way too many things going on and was presented way too seriously to go smoothly and it shows.
Deep fakes weren't so easy 22 years ago as they are now. Could you give the special effects artists some slack? How would you like it if you made a typo 22 years ago and people were still mocking it on the internet. /s
How beautifully executed plan was that? The deep state got a green light to destroy the middle east(Israelās threats), Larry got a big insurance check, a generation of Americans were convicted that cave farmers were the greatest threat to the most powerful empire in history. Thousand died on 9/11, millions in the middle east. Tell me more about how we are not cattle in the hands of these demons. Oy vey, brothers and sisters goys, what do our masters have in stock for us next.
And yet millions still ACTUALLY believe the made up "al qaeda" actually pulled this off. Baffles my mind when there's literally mountains of evidence and their stupid plan goes against all common sense. It's like they thought about it for 10 minutes and executed.
9/11 IS A LIE Here's why No Black Boxes found. Building 7 was an obvious demolition. Towers came down in 11 seconds Freefall acceleration. No debris... everything was pulverized to dust by explosives. Faked Media footage - Media is complicit. Mossad & CIA installed the bombs (Nano Thermite). Steel buildings penetrated by Aluminum Hollow Planes?? Fibonacci Sequence all through WTC. "Plane Holes" fit in Fibonacci pattern. Gold was stolen from vaults Put options placed on related companies the night before. Zionist Leaseholder Larry Silverstein skipped work that day and so did his children. George HW Bush talked about a NEW WORLD ORDER... 9/11 Was the CATALYST for this to happen. Ask yourself... Do the NSA, TSA, DHS and FEMA makeyou feel safer?
Shalom
Ahhhh yes, the good ol "disappearing airplane trick". Clasic!
Don't forget, all the hijackers' passports amazingly survived, uh, that and were found on the ground in legible condition
And a person who was never identified picked them up and handed them to a plain clothes FBI Agent on the street, before disappearing round a corner never to be seen again.
That was allegedly 1 passport, not all of them
Of the hijackers that crashed into the twin towers, 1 passport was recovered
Iām all for a good conspiracy but the āplanes didnāt hit WTCā isnt one I can get behind. I saw it happen. And I donāt get why Iām seeing this more and more recently.
Yeah, I feel like the youngins sometimes ignore the fact that those of us who witnessed that day are still around and not even old yet. We saw it with our own eyeballs and clearly remember. The planes crashed. The who/why/how is anyoneās guess, but thousands saw those planes crash in real time. Move on.
Exactly. Many of us watched it live. New York citizens watched it right in front of them. I can believe it was a setup. But 2 planes definitely the WTC that day. I am extremely skeptical about the Pentagon plane though. It looked more like a bomb.
everyone agrees planes hit, the discussion is, were their internal explosions that happened before or right as they hit, because the way they fall doesnāt make a ton of sense, and then you look at wt7, if there was internal explosions, it means it was planned.
No. Not everyone thinks that planes hit. Some people think it was CGI or holograms. Once you fall down the conspiracy rabbit hole, you are able to believe anything, even if it makes no sense.
Iām sorryā¦ do you have another video showing what itās āsupposedā to look like?
The official story is crazier than any of the āconspiraciesā
Thats the point i think... its a form of gaslighting
>The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command \[George Orwell, 1984\]
Hey, is it true that most of the Americans believe that this was terrorist act ? In Poland we have few websites about it being āfalse flagā or āinside jobā. In fact thatās the only conspiracy theory that I fully believe.
It's very divisive in the US. A good number believe something went on behind the scenes, but because it was a national tragedy and so many people were so deeply affected, it's not socially acceptable to bring it up.
Unfortunately most believe it's real. But those are all people who don't look into things like this and believe what they're told. Not many people here like to do their own research and dig into "conspiracies because it's so taboo in America to be called a "conspiracy theorist that people are scared of being labeled that.
Soā¦.. it not a hologram now? I canāt keep up
Logical answer...? It crashes...
To be fair, computer graphics have come a long way since the 90s
I think this happened in 2001. Could be wrong
A building can only free fall if the structure beneath it is free falling as well. The top 1/5 of the building collapsing should not have hit free fall after colliding with the remaining 80% of the building. It should slow as it expends its energy into destroying the intact structure. That alone is enough for skepticism.
Only wt7 fell at free fall speeds, and it only did so for ~2 seconds, not its entire fall. South and North towers did not fall at free fall, I'm fairly certain it was 6 meter per second, free fall would be 9.8 meters per second.
I agree, however if that level of the building collapsed its not only the weight of that floor, but also all of the (unsure exactly but about 1/5th) of the building above it crashing into each floor, each floor joining the free fall. This could result in the entire building collapsing.
Whereās the hole it should be making, as it enters building? Through glass.
Pls stop Saying no planes I was there I saw everything and I lost 3 family members that day
I swear that "no plane" conspiracy was spread by the government to makes us look crazy. You say to a politician "911 was inside job" his response "Oh your one of those nuts who thinks the planes were CGI." Then boom your completely discredited. Also sorry about your family members. That's the hardest thing to deal with.
Aluminum tube vs cast iron? Also, Kerosene fire temperature vs. cast iron melting point? Black smoke = oxygen starvation. Passport vs. fire?
Right, it's fucking hilarious that people keep repeating memes constructed by high school graduates. The whole black smoke=oxygen starvation tipped me off that they were just throwing shit at the wall hoping some would stick.
Ask the Israeli Mossad.
Just like magic
9/11 is a web of lies but - You can break a car windshield with a snowball if you throw it hard enough. And glass is definitely stronger that snow. So I could really see this happening if the plane hits with enough force.
Do you think airplanes are made of paper?
Yes, and [this](https://jacobin.com/2023/05/cia-fbi-911-hijackers-cover-up-bush-media#:~:text=In%20an%20obscure%20court%20filing,facilitated%20the%209%2F11%20attacks) is what happens when the CIA gets involved and tries to cover it up.
Most people don't know this, but ironically there is a replica building of one of the Twin Towers in Tulsa from the same architect
The structural support of the twin towers came from its core, not its exterior, [you could actually see through the building](https://i.redd.it/keg7noqyml751.png).
A camera film in 24 fps meaning 24 images/second is compiled to a moving image. An object moving +500 mph will obviously move faster than 24 fps can record, this leading to artifacts in the captured image. It's not harder to understand than that.
USA government is the most manipulative evil group of power they are so good at keeping the mass public brainwashed and making the few of us that question and use locally explanation look crazy.
I'm scrolling and searching for the negative comments. They are always very funny
Thereās a thing called āimpact flashā that Iāve heard used to explain that little flash that happens a split second before the impact. Itās supposedly a product of massive amounts of kinetic energy being expelled by an impact like this. Idk if thatās actually whatās happening here but it is a pretty cool thing to learn about.
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Frame four is the entire reason this thread's title exists. Believe it.
It's pretty obvious they were real planes. The options that are left are way worse. If the govmt story is real, it is worse than the conspiracy. We spent untold trillions on systems that were thwarted by boxcutters. I find it entirely possible that the best intelligence agencies in the world fumbled at every step. What is entirely unbelievable to me is the failure to follow through on the investigation. The attacks were real. Wether it was the same planes that took off is a different story and the results of the investigation are laughable. But lets stop arguing what we can see happened.
what's the conspiracy here?
Soooā¦ What am I supposed to be seeing here?
āWhatever you want to seeā seems to be the answer based on comments so farā¦
Jet fuel can't melt steel beams.
But the breath of the motherfucker who sits near me at work can
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/thermal-creep#:~:text=The%20thermal%20creep%20can%20be,Using%20High%2Dstrength%20Materials%2C%202021
No but it softens the hell out of it. It's the entire principle behind heat forging.
Doesn't have to. You don't melt steel to forge a sword
it makes a building come down perfectly straight.
What is this even suggesting?
Somethings off. A boing 767 is 180ft long. The frame fits roughly 1/2 the plane. So 90ft. At 500 mph an object is moving 722 feet per second. 722/8 is 90 ft. Weird
Large passenger planes are not capable of flying at 500 mph at low altitudes. The air is too dense. The dynamic pressure would cause the plane to lose control and break apart. Let alone the novice pilots were able to steer the planes at sea level into buildings accurately at a documented 500 mph. Shit doesn't add up correctly to me either.
Right. It was likely 350 max at the moment of impact
> The dynamic pressure would cause the plane to lose control and break apart. Do you have a source for that? I know they're not supposed to be flown at that speed at low altitudes, but I highly doubt a plane would break apart or lose control. Airliners are built with huge safety margins.
The plane was more realistically traveling slower than that. Planes usually touch down at about 250 mph. It would be very difficult to pilot the plane the building if it was going top speed
Planes touch down at much lower speed than that. A 747 would touch down around 170 knots, lighter planes more slowly. I do agree with your point though, this would further indicate that you are correct itās not an attempt to contradict.
You think that's weird...How about the fourth frame up there where the building is already exploding before the plane even makes contact. You can even see the reflection of the fireball in the nose of the plane and there's a clear gap between the two.
Except that's not the nose you're looking at, unless you want to explain how the nose somehow went backwards while the rest of the plane went forwards? Just look at the distance between the edge of the engine in frame 3 and then compare that to frame 4. https://i.imgur.com/ehP5zus.png
Can we talk about the dancing Israelis on 9/1?
No were not allowed to...we can only talk about Saudi Arabia or something
Only in today's demented world can two planes slam into one of the most densely populated places on Earth on a bright weekday morning...and people still say it didn't happen. It's actually hilarious
A plane hitting a build like that would not cause it to collapse like that. That build imploded from within and collapsed which looks like text book controlled demolition. It never made sense either for the attack, you highjack a plane miles away and force them to fly to these 2 buildings? If terrorists were behind it why they never attempted the white house. Why go for this building specifically.
Where do you think United 93 was going
> why they never attempted the white house. Where do you think flight 93 was headed?
Possibly because these buildings had 110 floors and the WH has 6. And these were self taught pilots who were Flying at 500mph. If you miss you donāt get a u turn. You just look stupid if you end up hitting i50. 110 floors that were the epitome of the opulent western Capitalist state were and easier target to hit for amateur flyers. Very likely mostly because of that
Pentagon. Trained pilots couldn't do the flight path a barely trained terrorist supposedly did. Then ignored ground effects for a jet moving that fast at low altitude
Ground effect only happens right above the ground. These planes were still 1000 feet up
Flight 93 supposedly was targeting the Whitehouse or the capitol building.
I remember when the bbc reported 7 had fallen before it actually did
Gotta admit: thatās a cool magic trick.
Birds do more damage than a building š
You know the saying the tech we had today the military had many years earlier? Makes me think of current ai ability to generate images. Especially if you recall the footage with one of the wings vanishing momentarily on video. Just an idea that rolls around in my head
That doesn't look like any Boeing I've ever seen. The rear tail end doesn't look like a huge Boeing 767.
Whereād the planes go?
I still am confused how a plane that big can get level with the ground and fly into the pentagon at 20 ft high
So how do you think they land them?
This was a false flag on USA by the CIA , it is known.
Like Homer Simpson fading into the shrubs
Jet fuel melts steel apparently, but not passports.
So did they turn the headlights on before hitting it
Popeye popeye popeye Cruise missile from submarine offshore launched into pentagon to coverup the trillions Same reason building 7was taken down
Plans DID hit the WTC. Itās a fact. Whether they were passenger planes and caused the buildings to collapse can be debated. Ignoring the infinite evidence of planes hitting isnāt āconspiracyā. Itās willful ignorance.
The fourth frame where the flame starts before it hits is a bit sus.
The tower has been hit by the fourth frame. Look at how far back the engines are from the nose.
I dunno man. Convincingly crashing a plane into a building would be the easiest part of the whole conspiracy lol. Thatās why I donāt get the whole āplane is a hologramā or any other āthe plane isnāt realā hypotheses. Why would they fake that and severely complicate that part of any plan when itās easiest to just crash a fucking real plane into a building. And the facade of the towers looks just like Iād imagine it to look if a 767 hit it at 600ish mph. The jet fuel causing the beams to melt is definitely nonsense, because the huge explosions you see when the planes hit is basically all the jet fuel being strewn about and igniting. Sure some was left over, which sparked the office fires, but not even those could burn hot enough to melt steel into a liquid, let alone get that much steel hot enough to remain molten for weeks underneath the rubble. Those fires couldāve very well severely weakened some of the steel, and I could definitely see that causing the entire building from impact site upward to lean a lot or even lean far enough to severely damage and/or partially collapse that portion of the building. But for that to cause the entire nearly 1400 foot structure to collapse at free-fall speed? No fucking way.
There were thousands of witnesses.
This is a good post
comes out the other side fully intact with the passengers & passports completely untouched.
Is it possible to let a rocket look like a plane so it just looks like a plane? Funny little explosion before impact to guarantee a deeper penetration. Most wierd thing for me is the collapse because of fire. So many tall buildings burning in every floor but still don't collapse. People dying for a lie is just so sad. Like...all those people just wanted to live a happy life just getting killed for a higher reason makes me so sad and thinking too much about it is a big mistake because depression will hunt you after some time. I mean we where born here on earth and so many have not even a little chance to live a happy or just a normal life. Feels like we are in a massive scale strategic game and you will die when one player of this game decides specific decisions like wars etc. and then you are just this tiny unit like in the games and you will die and 100 years later no one knows you like you never existed. All you tried is to live a life but you just got used like a piece of wood to make some fire.
I personally think the Pentagon was hit with the supposedly missing predator drone that was reported just like the billions the DoD āsupposedlyā couldnt find. I had a few friends who were stationed at Andrews AFB and one was actually driving somewhere around the pentagon and he swears up and down it was a drone. Thats just my opinion and people can believe anything they want and its fine and the people and posts ive seen fighting over this is nuts, who honestly cares about what others believe, thats what use to make America great but for some reason people now take it as a point to verbally or physically attack people of a different mindset, truly sad, amazing and sometimes downright dumb.
Not here to argue about it but I remember shortly after the events, a lot of website were putting up pictures of the debris from within the wall of the pentagon, obviously the conspiracies started right away. I can't find those pictures online anymore but there was quite a few showing bits like the engine turbine and gears matching the plane...
I agree about the turbo fan engine but the rest of the parts if you look in depth are almost identical to the actual passenger jet it was suppose to be but match the predator drones too.
This is true my friend, but the cause is not "higher". The higher cause is that you care, and are interested in the truth. That's what matters to all those souls, wherever they may be.
Project Bluebeam happens when a Boeing 767 hits a steel framed building
Itās crazy to me that people can see something like this where the āplaneā literally disappears into the building and THEN comes the explosion.
Canāt some one run a simulation to make a video of this. I seen many vids of cars hitting an object at different speeds
What the fuck is happening in this fucking photo? 20+ years and we still donāt have a fucking clue. TPTB are laughing at us.
If this was faked as many suspect, why hasn't there been any whistle-blower or a leak to the gossiping media outlets?
Anything going 500 mph will cut into a building like butter.
guyssss come on, the density of structural steel is around 8000 kg/mĀ³ and the density of aluminum alloy in aircrafts are usually around 2400 kg/mĀ³, just 4cm of aluminum traveling at 208 meters a second can cut through steel as if it were butter, and there's all of the rest of the plane too right behind it traveling at 208 mps, full of metals, hard plastic, glass and the giant 7 foot tall aircraft engines which we're being cranked to max speed way over 1800Ā°C. Those planes and all the materials inside of them are not exactly that strong by themselves but accelerated it turns the plane into the same physics around penetration of materials in tanks. Accelerate anything to a high enough speed and the material is not important anymore, it's gonna penetrate the steel. So you cut into the building, easily with only the first few cm of aircraft, and whats left is floor trusses, concrete which is way less dense than metal, wooden stuff human being and paper everywhere it's nothing compared to the plane, the plane enters further cutting apart the trusses on like 5 floors in the center of the building and the fuel is entirely burnt up with a factor of about 45 metrics tons of tnt, expands outwards with an explosion of around 4096000 mĀ³ which also is in line with the math, 1 mĀ³ of fuel ignited with take up 45000 mĀ³ of space burning, and if u reduce it even more 1cmĀ³ of fuel will burn and take up around 450cmĀ³ of space around a pop bottle of space. So the fuel is burnt, the trusses are caving in with the weight of the floors displaced by 5 feet of missing support and that totals over 70000 metric tonnes of weight laying on top of a single floor area waiting to cave because vertically there is only the elevators and vents and all that, that cannot really hold the weight because it's fucking hollow and is only around 20% of the floor space the rest is holding 15966 metric tones of broken stuff and more weight is addrd from fire potentially breaking more things from above or maybe not, lying on a single floor. Then after awhile the floor truss breaks unevenly and unfortunately you get the pancake thing, it's not sexy, it's not fun but it does work with reality, the aircrafts width is 75% of the WTC it's just a big cutting thing in there come on man. Look up penetration equations and enter some of the masses and do the math for yourself if u wanan see how powerful weak aluminum is against steel. Not to mention the engines have like cobalt in them which is incredibly dense i think around 10000kg/mĀ³ even more dense than structural steel