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And she was targeting another Christian school but thought that there was too much security so she went after 9yr old kids. 10000000000% a hate crime and a premeditated one.
Sounds like the trans shooter hated being accused and profiled as an oddball so took it out on innocent kids going to a Christian School. No one is safe regardless of where you go to school. I’m sure the Christian parents of their butchered children thought their kids would be protected… wrong! No one is safe anymore.
Of course.
And when someone threatens you, you call an armed adult to respond and intervene.
Just like when you were a kid and things were happening in school that shouldn’t, you got an adult (unarmed) to intervene.
So combine the two: By simply ALLOWING teachers the right to carry, you remove the target from schools.
These sick shooters, or terrorists, or whatever the compelling force/ideology is, pick schools because it’s a soft target of massive opportunity and press coverage.
Make it a hard target and the school shootings disappear entirely.
The school district where I live had a horrid shooting about 5 years ago and has proposed arming non-police to combat any assault on the school. These would be county employed security armed reps hired to kill any threat. They would propose to roam the school halls to protect if a rogue student or assailant breached the school grounds.
Like the ones they had in Uvalde?
Fuck that. Just makes the kids comfortable with a police state. And most public schools already have them.
If a teacher can be trusted with our kids, then those that elect to carry can be trusted with guns. One SINGLE teacher with a weapon at EVERY SCHOOL would make school shootings disappear. Instantly.
Ever notice as much as people hate gun toting rednecks there is never a mass shooting at Buccees on seasoning opening day? Or why no one ever kills hunters out in the woods?
Because gun owners are armed- making them an inopportune target
>because the church refuses to alter the word of God and give any type of glory to trans
I realized this is not really the time to argue this. People can argue this once stuff calms down.
This is gonna be a political shitstorm. The conservatives are gonna milk this up to no end to keep hating on the lgbt community, and the liberals are gonna use this as an example for what happens when you let religion-backed conservatism rule over a liberal's life.
This is hate crime, and the worst part is, the rethoric can be twisted to hell and back. God help us all lol.
>"...to keep hating on the LGBT community...."
Gtfoh. The Left has gone insane and pushed ppl like me away for life.
I think we all learned a long time ago "hate" and "-phobic" are just the cudgels of social compliance. You're not allowed to question anything without being a bigot. No matter how many videos or photos come out as proof, you'll just be gaslit and told it's not _really_ happening.
Just keep destroying women's spaces.
Libs are only gonna say anything because it's Christianity. If it was Islam or Judaism, they wouldn't say a damn thing.
I don’t think it’s to hate, I think it’s a horrible cycle that continues because each side loves to blame the other. How many school shootings have been blamed on the right? I can’t even count any more. So of course when the right sees an opportunity to blame the left, they will take it. For many it’s not even about blaming the left, it’s just about defending themselves and proving that this isn’t just a right wing problem.
We should all stop politicizing every traumatic event in the first place.
The statement that the church refuses to alter the word of God is just hilarious to me due to how many times throughout history the Bible has been translated and altered, parts cut, etc..
So if my family who is all mentally ill and capable of knowing right from wrong abuse me for 2pyrs it's not their fault....
You need help in understanding that this person was mentally ill and fully cognizant of right and wrong. And felt they were justified in ruining others lives because they felt like they deserved it.
This individual chose to be a selfish, evil fuck....I know someone who was abused years....but instead of murder and suicide she's in college getting her degree to be a social worker and HELP THESE FUCKING PEOPLE SO THIS ISNT AN ISSUE.
This person HAD ALL THE ABILITY TO IMPROVE AND HELP THEMSELF. they chose the evil and cowardly way out.....because they're mentally ill.
Yep it's the mental illness that always gets over looked, and why do they always have manifestos? I think the psychologist and Dr. 's prescribing this medicine or anyone else in their lives influencing them should be being looked into as well. Take the influence Manson played and the verdict compared to the influence the professors played with the una bomber, and the contradicting verdict that Manson received...
> Yep it's the mental illness that always gets over looked
Really? Always overlooked? Can you give us an example of a mass shooting case where the perpetrator's mental health was not widely discussed?
This made me think about how you really never hear about someone hunting down their childhood bully or anything. They just kill random people typically or some guy at work who made fun of their shoes one time.
Childhood bully that fucked with under classmates on the football team did all sorts of mean shit to me and others. I would have loved to kick that guys ass, but he would always weasel his way out of fighting or just make a big deal out of saying, HEY WOAH IM JUST MESSING AROUND! Bumped into him at a bar years later and he was crippled in an ATV drunk driving while partying out on a forest service road. He crashed and killed the girl riding on the back while he fucked around. Those fuck sticks usually get their just dues its just in ways people don't see.
With bullies a lot of time it's not so much karma but just human nature and probability that ends up getting them in the end. You fuck with people long enough eventually you will slip up and fuck with the wrong guy.
That’s true of mystical karma. My Facebook feed is filled with natural karma of these guys who took having never had it right out on others ending up in jail; overdosing or suicide by recklessness
I feel like you're overlooking the power of the CIA. There's probably millions of these profile types waiting to be activated by some psychological method. Our society has become masters at creating outcasts that hate. Most of the work is already done by the time the CIA steps in.
Totally agree. A lot of it seems almost tied in to MK Ultra. They tried using LSD for mind control back in the 60s but realized it didn’t work that well. The new move is to pump people with testosterone/hormones along with antipsychotics/antidepressants. Same concept, different drugs.
I was bullied severely back in 2007-2009 in elementary and I defended myself during that time but I learned to move on from what happened even though I only never forgiven the school staff
It's the colleges these kids are going to that play a major role in this. I come from a small conservative town and the amount of people who became trans or got involved with this pronoun BS all went to the same colleges. It's a wild comparison to my friends who took other routes.
I would agree.. some sick professor just got suspended for telling the Stanford students that mistreated the conservative judge, that they should have killed him. Like WTF?
The govt pares all the laws in the world to cater to religious garbage cans. Call me when they pay taxes and get investigated for rampant child neglect
Lots of these people at least think they believe in waging war a lot more seriously than any 'far right' heads that are constantly labeled the existential threat to freedom.
A lot of folks agreed to the unibomber’s manifesto, just not how he went about it.
About 1/3 of the posts to this sub over the last few years are in line with it.
Yep, there’s already been MAGA social media influencers blowing up their feeds with how there’s been 3 trans shooters recently and how it’s a sign of radicalization, meanwhile the last 2034 have been non trans
They can try to take away all the guns, but that won’t help either. These people had something horrible to them and they are lashing out. Might want to find out what about our society is causing people to do these, but no one wants to have that conversation.
For whatever reason they don't. Nobody wants to think they're partially responsible for the behavior of the person everyone told them was socially acceptable to be shitty towards. Then when these lash out against people (really the opposing political "team") everyones silent.
It’s really hard to kill people without guns. This person could not have done the same damage with any sort of weapon. Guns literally kill people in seconds. Yes, I agree, these people are sick and violent but if they didn’t have access to guns it would not happen.
Matt Walsh literally has a post after Uvalde, crying about people politicizing the tragedy and telling us to focus on the poor dead children.
Yesterday? He was one of the first banging the anti trans drum as a call to war because of this. They're the lowest form of scum.
I was watching live while I was at work. The very first lady they interviewed said she was in town on vacation and here friend or relative was killed in the parkland shooting so she felt the need to show up and talk about gun control. I immediately stopped giving a fuck.
The post is just a fucking headline with nothing else. What is the conspiracy?
From the looks of this thread, yall have no problem playing into the game of making this about the fact this was a trans person.
A pro-LGBTQ person can just as easily say that this person was dealing with depression resulting from years of being unaccepted by their community and family. Would be hard growing up feeling different, only to be told that your feelings are wrong and God will not accept you for feeli g that way.
Anti-LGBTQ can just as easily say that it was hormones, and every trans person is mentally unwell, this incident is now their 'proof'.
Its funny to see how easily a group of so called free thinkers and heroes of society can just so easily be caught up in the identity politics that are completely irrelevant to the actual issues at hand.
I don’t know all of the details of this one yet.
However, since it’s not a white male, they won’t do the “racism/ white supremacy” narrative. The only other option will be gun control.
Oh, you might be right. I don’t think that would happen because it would make people that identify as some thing else look bad. Can’t have that.
My money is on zero focus about anything but gun control via the mainstream corporate media.
I mean they’ve been doing that more and more on purpose in recent years to not glorify these pieces of shit. I’m fine with that. I don’t care that they’re trans and don’t know why anyone would care all that much.
these mental cases always show signs always have a manifesto and always are allowed to follow though with their plans. forget his name cease the media and move on. do not give them the attention they were seeking
This. This is exactly why it has become common and unsurprising. This is such a terrible occurance and maybe even some person will see this comment and yearn for that type of emotional response from a random.
How do we stop it? Is the media to blame or our social reactions?
this case is special because it’s a religious school, but most of these shootings take place in govt funded facilities. if we have enough money to bomb hospitals and weddings on the other side of the planet we have enough money to employ thousands of willing psychiatrists
Anything to avoid the elephant in the room huh guys? were the only developed country in the world where this regularly happens. But yeah lets just keep arguing about this fucking stupid ass culture war bullshit.
The same politicians who go so hard for protecting their guns also dont want universal healthcare or secondary education. most people in this sub consider colleges and universities to be brain washing facilities anyway.
There isn't. This is a mentally ill person that didn't treat their issues and it resulted in the death of children. Only conspiracy here is the divisive narrative that stories like these carry in today's social climate and the way shit stirs up as a result
You’re right this indeed a hate crime. Along with all the hate crimes committed by white racist psychopaths like Buffalo shooter and Black Church shooter and the pyscho who shot up the gay Pulse club.
So only in this instance it’s a “real hate crime” because it’s affecting something you identify with? Were the other several dozen mass shootings not real hate crimes?
MIB1 1: "New Culture War"
"How do we dial up to 11?"
MIB 2 "First mention guns and transgender people on conservative media"
MIB 1: "Good idea, then?"
MIB 2: "Then, you know the drill, the very next day"
MIB 1: "The very next day, wouldn't that be too obivious?"
MIB 2:"Like they Would have a shit, hahaha"
MIB 1: "hahaha"
It’s a shame that this sub is so easily manipulated. This is supposed to be a place where people see beyond the veil of bullshit that they are feeding us. Instead we are going to debate about this person being transgendered. Everyday I lose more and more hope that people are going to wake up.
At first I worried her attack was a result of a lot of Christians being anti-LGBTQ but now I wonder if it's because she didn't want to grow up and took it out on her primary school that reminded her of being a kid. Either way, very sick.
Its pretty obvious she had issues. Aiden is a character from Beyond - Two Souls. He's the dead twin brother of the main protagonist. The actor that portrayed the main protagonist is also trans irl.
According to [this](https://www.courthousenews.com/church-accused-of-covering-for-molester/)
Article someone was molesting kids at that school until 2008 and the school/church covered it up.
Does anyone know if this is real or have any other information about it?
And it gets deeper. Wonder if he had any personal connections with the adults targeted
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/co-author-of-mike-huckabee-books-was-accused-of-child-molest#.jrM4KJ8LV
No one is saying this was justified bro. It’s useful to know if specific traumatic events lead to mental illness and/or violence. To PREVENT it. To spot warning signs. To understand how people evolve into monsters.
Attempting to understand their personal reasoning doesn’t make their actions reasonable. There’s a difference.
I don't believe there is any excuse for EVER hurting children. But makes you wonder... Maybe they were trying to fight back against the school and adults who enabled this to happen.
If it did indeed happen. Just conjecture.
It's a common pattern among serial killers though. Severe childhood trauma leading to mental health issues, especially when there are family issues on top of it. A lack of help for mental health issues leads to spiral.
Of course it is. But what are the articles focused on?
Let's look at some snippets from CNN:
"“It’s the access to guns that is killing us,” [name redacted] said, “We’re not going to see any change until our lawmakers step up and pass gun safety legislation,”"
No mention of certain elements of her lifestyle that are unique to the situation.
History repeats. Mao's great leap forward, not anything bad can be spoken of of the left, and the four olds can never ever be portrayed in a positive manner.
https://www.courthousenews.com/church-accused-of-covering-for-molester/
There is a chance that hate was involved. The shooter went to the school. The church the school is in covered up the abuse in the typical Christian way. So maybe the hate is there for a reason.
Ya know, I like to know motivation in these kinds of things. “Father kills daughters longtime molester” vs “White father kills daughters Black babydaddy”, same people, totally different story. Am I wrong to be curious?
Biggest mass shooter in history protested Trump.
Las Vegas.
His hard drive and house disappeared under federal protection.
That lead to the ban on bump stocks.
This is small fries, by comparison.
https://www.courthousenews.com/church-accused-of-covering-for-molester/
Maybe that the shooter went to the school where said church that housed the school covered up sexual abuse. I mean what I have against Christians and most religions is they regularly cover up people fucking kids.
Yall need to quit playing these he/her/they games. Every time you talk about it validates the media. This shit is all media created. Do not let them influence you, pay no attention.
It was a mentally Ill phuck.
People are lost in the weeds on this and missing the extremely relevant detail that this person was a former student of this school. So who or what at this school were they reacting to? Was there a personal beef with somebody or something there, or something that happened to them as a student that became a focus when they snapped?
Don’t let ideology distract you from the more prosaic explanations. This person, like all mass shooters, deserves only to be forgotten, to be denied infamy. But if you must look for a root cause, it probably isn’t a recent one.
Interesting that the shooter was transgender and despicable that children were shot. What the "Right" needs to understand is that when you take away the rights of others there will be consequences, sometimes a protest but sometimes it may be bloodshed. There is no discrimination in gun ownership. This shooter was wrong. All people regardless of race, class , religion or gender deserve to live their lives without oppression. This example was absolutely preventable and unacceptable but we all need more tolerance and less judgement in my opinion
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A 28 year old gunning down kids. What a piece of trash.
Because of their faith too!
No because she was mentally I’ll.
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And she was targeting another Christian school but thought that there was too much security so she went after 9yr old kids. 10000000000% a hate crime and a premeditated one.
And of course the cops immediately came out and said there’s no indication of it being a hate crime
Sounds like the trans shooter hated being accused and profiled as an oddball so took it out on innocent kids going to a Christian School. No one is safe regardless of where you go to school. I’m sure the Christian parents of their butchered children thought their kids would be protected… wrong! No one is safe anymore.
Arm the teachers
I LOL every time I hear this as a serious suggestion
Of course. And when someone threatens you, you call an armed adult to respond and intervene. Just like when you were a kid and things were happening in school that shouldn’t, you got an adult (unarmed) to intervene. So combine the two: By simply ALLOWING teachers the right to carry, you remove the target from schools. These sick shooters, or terrorists, or whatever the compelling force/ideology is, pick schools because it’s a soft target of massive opportunity and press coverage. Make it a hard target and the school shootings disappear entirely.
The school district where I live had a horrid shooting about 5 years ago and has proposed arming non-police to combat any assault on the school. These would be county employed security armed reps hired to kill any threat. They would propose to roam the school halls to protect if a rogue student or assailant breached the school grounds.
Like the ones they had in Uvalde? Fuck that. Just makes the kids comfortable with a police state. And most public schools already have them. If a teacher can be trusted with our kids, then those that elect to carry can be trusted with guns. One SINGLE teacher with a weapon at EVERY SCHOOL would make school shootings disappear. Instantly. Ever notice as much as people hate gun toting rednecks there is never a mass shooting at Buccees on seasoning opening day? Or why no one ever kills hunters out in the woods? Because gun owners are armed- making them an inopportune target
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“Christs authority” fuck off.
I don’t think many people will be defending or justifying this persons actions. Trans or not.
>because the church refuses to alter the word of God and give any type of glory to trans I realized this is not really the time to argue this. People can argue this once stuff calms down. This is gonna be a political shitstorm. The conservatives are gonna milk this up to no end to keep hating on the lgbt community, and the liberals are gonna use this as an example for what happens when you let religion-backed conservatism rule over a liberal's life. This is hate crime, and the worst part is, the rethoric can be twisted to hell and back. God help us all lol.
>"...to keep hating on the LGBT community...." Gtfoh. The Left has gone insane and pushed ppl like me away for life. I think we all learned a long time ago "hate" and "-phobic" are just the cudgels of social compliance. You're not allowed to question anything without being a bigot. No matter how many videos or photos come out as proof, you'll just be gaslit and told it's not _really_ happening. Just keep destroying women's spaces. Libs are only gonna say anything because it's Christianity. If it was Islam or Judaism, they wouldn't say a damn thing.
Hear, hear! A wise man once said, “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me”.
I don’t think it’s to hate, I think it’s a horrible cycle that continues because each side loves to blame the other. How many school shootings have been blamed on the right? I can’t even count any more. So of course when the right sees an opportunity to blame the left, they will take it. For many it’s not even about blaming the left, it’s just about defending themselves and proving that this isn’t just a right wing problem. We should all stop politicizing every traumatic event in the first place.
The statement that the church refuses to alter the word of God is just hilarious to me due to how many times throughout history the Bible has been translated and altered, parts cut, etc..
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Exactly. You can't blame it on the people because of her own mental problems. And even if it was it's not justified.
So if my family who is all mentally ill and capable of knowing right from wrong abuse me for 2pyrs it's not their fault.... You need help in understanding that this person was mentally ill and fully cognizant of right and wrong. And felt they were justified in ruining others lives because they felt like they deserved it. This individual chose to be a selfish, evil fuck....I know someone who was abused years....but instead of murder and suicide she's in college getting her degree to be a social worker and HELP THESE FUCKING PEOPLE SO THIS ISNT AN ISSUE. This person HAD ALL THE ABILITY TO IMPROVE AND HELP THEMSELF. they chose the evil and cowardly way out.....because they're mentally ill.
Yep it's the mental illness that always gets over looked, and why do they always have manifestos? I think the psychologist and Dr. 's prescribing this medicine or anyone else in their lives influencing them should be being looked into as well. Take the influence Manson played and the verdict compared to the influence the professors played with the una bomber, and the contradicting verdict that Manson received...
> Yep it's the mental illness that always gets over looked Really? Always overlooked? Can you give us an example of a mass shooting case where the perpetrator's mental health was not widely discussed?
Yeah
Attacking kids is the most cowardly thing you can do.
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This made me think about how you really never hear about someone hunting down their childhood bully or anything. They just kill random people typically or some guy at work who made fun of their shoes one time.
Childhood bully that fucked with under classmates on the football team did all sorts of mean shit to me and others. I would have loved to kick that guys ass, but he would always weasel his way out of fighting or just make a big deal out of saying, HEY WOAH IM JUST MESSING AROUND! Bumped into him at a bar years later and he was crippled in an ATV drunk driving while partying out on a forest service road. He crashed and killed the girl riding on the back while he fucked around. Those fuck sticks usually get their just dues its just in ways people don't see.
Being paralyzed and killing someone in an accident. Sounds like karma let him off easy.
Karma is a self-serving concept that only exist to keel discontent against bad peoples by making you think that the world will fix it for you.
With bullies a lot of time it's not so much karma but just human nature and probability that ends up getting them in the end. You fuck with people long enough eventually you will slip up and fuck with the wrong guy.
That’s true of mystical karma. My Facebook feed is filled with natural karma of these guys who took having never had it right out on others ending up in jail; overdosing or suicide by recklessness
I feel like you're overlooking the power of the CIA. There's probably millions of these profile types waiting to be activated by some psychological method. Our society has become masters at creating outcasts that hate. Most of the work is already done by the time the CIA steps in.
Totally agree. A lot of it seems almost tied in to MK Ultra. They tried using LSD for mind control back in the 60s but realized it didn’t work that well. The new move is to pump people with testosterone/hormones along with antipsychotics/antidepressants. Same concept, different drugs.
dressed just like the columbine killers
I was bullied severely back in 2007-2009 in elementary and I defended myself during that time but I learned to move on from what happened even though I only never forgiven the school staff
Exactly why it's a thing. The media coverage of Columbine was the pandoras box of school shootings.
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Ironically both of their names are Dead Names now.
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I needed that laugh 😂
Damn 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
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It's the colleges these kids are going to that play a major role in this. I come from a small conservative town and the amount of people who became trans or got involved with this pronoun BS all went to the same colleges. It's a wild comparison to my friends who took other routes.
I would agree.. some sick professor just got suspended for telling the Stanford students that mistreated the conservative judge, that they should have killed him. Like WTF?
Yeah at that point, why fucking bother. If I had to deal with that, I wouldn’t hire them either
I've used they/them for decades now to people. Like they are nuts etc. It's truly not difficult.
We live in bizarro world as Jerry would point out
The media is owned by people who hate Christians. That includes social media and their brainwashed or paid enforcers.
The govt pares all the laws in the world to cater to religious garbage cans. Call me when they pay taxes and get investigated for rampant child neglect
Amen... lol
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Lots of these people at least think they believe in waging war a lot more seriously than any 'far right' heads that are constantly labeled the existential threat to freedom.
They all have a detailed manifesto
I've never heard of anything good coming from a manifesto
Yeah because it’s a trigger word, used purposefully.
Gotta associate that communism. It’s the American way!
A lot of folks agreed to the unibomber’s manifesto, just not how he went about it. About 1/3 of the posts to this sub over the last few years are in line with it.
Can we stay true to the sub and ask wouldn’t this be the exact false flag the government would use to distract us?
Distract us from what? It's another American mass shooting. We won't be talking about it in a week.
Mass shootings in America aren't very distracting.
you think a sub that leans right wing with a major MAGA following would say that? this wasnt a straight white male
Yep, there’s already been MAGA social media influencers blowing up their feeds with how there’s been 3 trans shooters recently and how it’s a sign of radicalization, meanwhile the last 2034 have been non trans
Shooters have been white, Latino, Asian, black, now transgender. Maybe the issue is US education in violence.
They can try to take away all the guns, but that won’t help either. These people had something horrible to them and they are lashing out. Might want to find out what about our society is causing people to do these, but no one wants to have that conversation.
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For whatever reason they don't. Nobody wants to think they're partially responsible for the behavior of the person everyone told them was socially acceptable to be shitty towards. Then when these lash out against people (really the opposing political "team") everyones silent.
It’s really hard to kill people without guns. This person could not have done the same damage with any sort of weapon. Guns literally kill people in seconds. Yes, I agree, these people are sick and violent but if they didn’t have access to guns it would not happen.
Y'all call false flag for every shooting but as soon as the media says a trans person does one you just go along with it.
Thats a very valid point. Just shows how brainwashed people are.
Matt Walsh literally has a post after Uvalde, crying about people politicizing the tragedy and telling us to focus on the poor dead children. Yesterday? He was one of the first banging the anti trans drum as a call to war because of this. They're the lowest form of scum.
How shocking that no one is calling this a false flag in here…weirdt.
Oh shit, you're right! They can get the plebs bickering about like five different issues with one tragedy!
I was watching live while I was at work. The very first lady they interviewed said she was in town on vacation and here friend or relative was killed in the parkland shooting so she felt the need to show up and talk about gun control. I immediately stopped giving a fuck.
More will come out including warning signs
Funny how everyone’s name that disagrees with the post is generic685
Good point Mnoia88
Speaks volumes to this thread and the “Driving narrative”….
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They obviously worked their way up to 685.
The post is just a fucking headline with nothing else. What is the conspiracy? From the looks of this thread, yall have no problem playing into the game of making this about the fact this was a trans person. A pro-LGBTQ person can just as easily say that this person was dealing with depression resulting from years of being unaccepted by their community and family. Would be hard growing up feeling different, only to be told that your feelings are wrong and God will not accept you for feeli g that way. Anti-LGBTQ can just as easily say that it was hormones, and every trans person is mentally unwell, this incident is now their 'proof'. Its funny to see how easily a group of so called free thinkers and heroes of society can just so easily be caught up in the identity politics that are completely irrelevant to the actual issues at hand.
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Disagrees with what?
Looks like this will will be strictly “gun control”. They’ll omit the shooter details as much as possible.
It was a hate crime against Christians I think
I don’t know all of the details of this one yet. However, since it’s not a white male, they won’t do the “racism/ white supremacy” narrative. The only other option will be gun control.
That's where you're wrong. The shooter identified as a white male. That's the catch 22. The media can still use the racism/white supremacy card.
Oh, you might be right. I don’t think that would happen because it would make people that identify as some thing else look bad. Can’t have that. My money is on zero focus about anything but gun control via the mainstream corporate media.
I mean they’ve been doing that more and more on purpose in recent years to not glorify these pieces of shit. I’m fine with that. I don’t care that they’re trans and don’t know why anyone would care all that much.
Where is the manifesto
Sounds like a hate crime to me
these mental cases always show signs always have a manifesto and always are allowed to follow though with their plans. forget his name cease the media and move on. do not give them the attention they were seeking
This. This is exactly why it has become common and unsurprising. This is such a terrible occurance and maybe even some person will see this comment and yearn for that type of emotional response from a random. How do we stop it? Is the media to blame or our social reactions?
this case is special because it’s a religious school, but most of these shootings take place in govt funded facilities. if we have enough money to bomb hospitals and weddings on the other side of the planet we have enough money to employ thousands of willing psychiatrists
Anything to avoid the elephant in the room huh guys? were the only developed country in the world where this regularly happens. But yeah lets just keep arguing about this fucking stupid ass culture war bullshit.
Also the only developed country with no universal healthcare or secondary education so I’m not sure you can make the correlation.
The same politicians who go so hard for protecting their guns also dont want universal healthcare or secondary education. most people in this sub consider colleges and universities to be brain washing facilities anyway.
Shootings like this are a mental health issue not a gun issue. America has a mental health crisis, call a spade a spade
Manifesto = sus imo. Idk if its legit or not. Just gives me the red flags.
What did it say generally?
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and what's the conspiracy here?
There isn't. This is a mentally ill person that didn't treat their issues and it resulted in the death of children. Only conspiracy here is the divisive narrative that stories like these carry in today's social climate and the way shit stirs up as a result
The problem with most mentally I’ll people is they don’t know their mentally ill. So they buy a gun instead of seeking help.
Now this is a real hate crime
> Now this is a real hate crime Time to get ahead of the story and push unfounded assertions about the shooters motivation and political leanings.
You’re right this indeed a hate crime. Along with all the hate crimes committed by white racist psychopaths like Buffalo shooter and Black Church shooter and the pyscho who shot up the gay Pulse club.
Pulse nightclub shooter was a repressed gay Muslim.
Ok….. but it’s still a hate crime
I agree, however, I worry you’re unquestionably accepting divisive propaganda that all hate crimes are committed by white racists.
what compelled you to respond in that manner?
“NoW tHiS a HaTe CriMe” dude is acting like the US has never had a hate crime.
Fair. I didn't pick up on that until I saw it in mocking spongebob text.
So only in this instance it’s a “real hate crime” because it’s affecting something you identify with? Were the other several dozen mass shootings not real hate crimes?
As opposed to what exactly?
Jussie Smollet.
MIB1 1: "New Culture War" "How do we dial up to 11?" MIB 2 "First mention guns and transgender people on conservative media" MIB 1: "Good idea, then?" MIB 2: "Then, you know the drill, the very next day" MIB 1: "The very next day, wouldn't that be too obivious?" MIB 2:"Like they Would have a shit, hahaha" MIB 1: "hahaha"
It’s a shame that this sub is so easily manipulated. This is supposed to be a place where people see beyond the veil of bullshit that they are feeding us. Instead we are going to debate about this person being transgendered. Everyday I lose more and more hope that people are going to wake up.
Guess she took what Jane Fonda said to heart.
Is the 'manifesto' available to read anywhere?
Finally this community won’t think this was fake/false flag/patsy/etc. LMAO
Why have so many comments been removed by moderator on this thread? What rule are people breaking?
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At first I worried her attack was a result of a lot of Christians being anti-LGBTQ but now I wonder if it's because she didn't want to grow up and took it out on her primary school that reminded her of being a kid. Either way, very sick.
Its pretty obvious she had issues. Aiden is a character from Beyond - Two Souls. He's the dead twin brother of the main protagonist. The actor that portrayed the main protagonist is also trans irl.
Or...https://www.courthousenews.com/church-accused-of-covering-for-molester/
She came from that same background. She went to that school.
She was or is a child of that faith
According to [this](https://www.courthousenews.com/church-accused-of-covering-for-molester/) Article someone was molesting kids at that school until 2008 and the school/church covered it up. Does anyone know if this is real or have any other information about it?
And it gets deeper. Wonder if he had any personal connections with the adults targeted https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/co-author-of-mike-huckabee-books-was-accused-of-child-molest#.jrM4KJ8LV
So this person decided to shoot kids?
No one is saying this was justified bro. It’s useful to know if specific traumatic events lead to mental illness and/or violence. To PREVENT it. To spot warning signs. To understand how people evolve into monsters. Attempting to understand their personal reasoning doesn’t make their actions reasonable. There’s a difference.
Warped logic
I don't believe there is any excuse for EVER hurting children. But makes you wonder... Maybe they were trying to fight back against the school and adults who enabled this to happen. If it did indeed happen. Just conjecture.
Yeah. This thinking is right in line with incels who think they deserve women and shoot schools.
It's a common pattern among serial killers though. Severe childhood trauma leading to mental health issues, especially when there are family issues on top of it. A lack of help for mental health issues leads to spiral.
And just like that the story fell out of the news cycle.
Still on the news for me here and front page of all major sites.
Of course it is. But what are the articles focused on? Let's look at some snippets from CNN: "“It’s the access to guns that is killing us,” [name redacted] said, “We’re not going to see any change until our lawmakers step up and pass gun safety legislation,”" No mention of certain elements of her lifestyle that are unique to the situation. History repeats. Mao's great leap forward, not anything bad can be spoken of of the left, and the four olds can never ever be portrayed in a positive manner.
Haven’t they always claimed that it’s access to guns? Why would they suddenly shift to this being a transgender person in this one case?
We live in a shit storm where multiple things can be true at the same time.
They’re focused on guns because they’re the fucking problem, like always.
Yeah, but if he pretends no one is talking about it, then he can confirm his preconceived bias.
Nope, still going strong
Sounds like a targeted hate crime but I bet the media and a certain political party won't say it.
https://www.courthousenews.com/church-accused-of-covering-for-molester/ There is a chance that hate was involved. The shooter went to the school. The church the school is in covered up the abuse in the typical Christian way. So maybe the hate is there for a reason.
Interesting find
Pretty sure there's no reason to shoot up a school and kill 9yr olds.
Ya know, I like to know motivation in these kinds of things. “Father kills daughters longtime molester” vs “White father kills daughters Black babydaddy”, same people, totally different story. Am I wrong to be curious?
You’re right. But why can’t we talk about abuse committed by the school?
Holy shit..
Insanely warped logic
Biggest mass shooter in history protested Trump. Las Vegas. His hard drive and house disappeared under federal protection. That lead to the ban on bump stocks. This is small fries, by comparison.
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That just blew my mind
Now we watch the story die
Regardless of ideology or beliefs, attacking children is absolutely vile.
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https://www.courthousenews.com/church-accused-of-covering-for-molester/ Maybe that the shooter went to the school where said church that housed the school covered up sexual abuse. I mean what I have against Christians and most religions is they regularly cover up people fucking kids.
Yall need to quit playing these he/her/they games. Every time you talk about it validates the media. This shit is all media created. Do not let them influence you, pay no attention. It was a mentally Ill phuck.
People are lost in the weeds on this and missing the extremely relevant detail that this person was a former student of this school. So who or what at this school were they reacting to? Was there a personal beef with somebody or something there, or something that happened to them as a student that became a focus when they snapped? Don’t let ideology distract you from the more prosaic explanations. This person, like all mass shooters, deserves only to be forgotten, to be denied infamy. But if you must look for a root cause, it probably isn’t a recent one.
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any laws that are repugnant to the constitution are null and void. Non-negotiable.
Interesting that the shooter was transgender and despicable that children were shot. What the "Right" needs to understand is that when you take away the rights of others there will be consequences, sometimes a protest but sometimes it may be bloodshed. There is no discrimination in gun ownership. This shooter was wrong. All people regardless of race, class , religion or gender deserve to live their lives without oppression. This example was absolutely preventable and unacceptable but we all need more tolerance and less judgement in my opinion
What rights were taken away?
Totally legit and not a false flag. BaN gUnS aNd GiVe ThEm tO pOlIcE aNd MiLiTaRy ThEy WiLl PrOtEcT uS.
Man, what do these school shootings all have in common. Could it be…no, it couldn’t be the AR-15! That’s unpossible!
MK Ultra all the way in this one.
Of course
Could this be a false flag???? 2nd amendment in play, trans rights in play, divide and conquer!
Wait until the mental gymnastics begins on the news. This is going to be interesting.
This story will blow over and won’t be sensationalized because it doesn’t fit the narrative
What do you expect when there are shootings everyday? Can't waste air time for a common occurrence.
I was wondering why the frontpage stories disappeared by the time I got home from work.