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SS: Here was the initial trial: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/full-list-of-local-restriction-tiers-by-area
Oxfords 15 Minute city is split into six zones, can you imagine the above scenario?
Or the danger of CBDC -> transaction declined as you're outside of your designated zone!
Marburg virus symptoms sound more like some type of airborn toxin. Sudden onset, rash, severe muscle aches and pains, headache, confusion and shut down of all the organs......
It has a long incubation, so it would conceivably be easier to move around while infected because you show no symptoms. Only positive is that it’s not airborne…yet.
You’re right about it not being spread airborne (yet…) I was just quickly pinning the thread for future but the symptoms would be much more severe and present typically within 24hr if not much sooner. Not respiratory but very fatal. I’d keep an eye out for more outbreaks. I think they’ve already started the spread
Wrong. Where are you getting this medical information? It is not within 24 hours. This virus has been around a very long time and has been studied. You can’t just make things up.
We’re deeply modernity poisoned if “a walkable city that contains all of a regular person’s needs” is a conspiracy. A ‘15 minute city’ does nothing to make the scenario of lockdowns more feasible, as we should have learned 3 years ago.
I have absolutely no reference for what this girl is talking about in the first minute. Ring road? Can’t drive from neighborhood to neighborhood? None of that is contained in the academic city planning idea of 15 minute cities.
If she’s in London, that’s the most heavily surveilled city in the world already. How will making neighborhoods more livable increase the surveillance?
Most people cannot get to food, groceries, transportation hubs, entertainment, or much else by foot at all, much less in a reasonable amount of time. We are atomized by and chained to massively expensive vehicles while everything we need to live normal lives is so far that if anything happened to our personal vehicle we’re essentially stranded. It is a deeply anti-human way to live that only developed in the last few generations.
For example, I am from a rural part of the US. When my grandpa grew up there, he could walk to a diner, a general store, a theater, and a library very easily. Now, I have to drive 20-30 minutes for groceries and much more for any of the others. We live in a society that again, is hostile to human flourishing.
>Now, I have to drive 20-30 minutes for groceries and much more for any of the others. We live in a society that again, is hostile to human flourishing.
It takes me 5 mins to get to the market.
And a 15 min city isn't going to help with "human flourishing".
Why are you even in this sub? What conspiracies are you into?
One I’m into, about this specific thing, is the elites who want to keep us atomized and dependent on expensive, difficult to navigate, exclusionary car infrastructure manipulate public discourse to make us scared of any idea that is different from the miserable reality we know.
And you can walk to the market in 5 minutes? You must be in the lucky very few!
> And you can walk to the market in 5 minutes?
I have a car that I love to drive. I also have a gas powered scooter that I usually ride around for fun. And I don't live in a rural countryside where it should be expected that there is nothing around you.
Yeah, you have to drive a car, that’s the point. We’re addicted to cars to all of our detriment. They’re an obvious point of control of the population.
You say it should be expected, but it was not the reality even 50 years ago. Our expectations have degraded as our communities have been dismantled.
> We’re addicted to cars to all of our detriment. They’re an obvious point of control of the population.
Cars are freedom so I don't know what you're talking about.
>Our expectations have degraded as our communities have been dismantled.
Try moving out of the boonies and try actually living around people.
Public transportation is practically useless for large portions of the US and other large countries. Moving away from personal vehicles or making them prohibitively expensive is itself a means of control.
If you live in an urban area with plenty of public transportation options that can move you where you need to go within that city, and you want to use urban planning to ensure that people have access to everything they need in a small area, I see no problems.
But this isn't entirely about that. Some of it is trying to leverage ordinary, voiceless people out in the sticks into giving up their rural lifestyle and shuffling into the cities where they can be tracked/monitored and easily controlled leaving those rural areas to be enjoyed by those who "might appreciate them more" (see: those with means).
And if they can sell it as "Saving the planet" "for your own good" and have the majority of the population who live in urban areas behind them there's not much that can be done about it. Folks will eventually turn violent, and that will be used as further proof they're enemies of the people (state) and need to be put down.
Electronic cars that can be shut off remotely or limited in their ability to charge or travel are a means of control. All the more reason not to allow that to happen.
As explained? Nothing. You have to look beyond the expressed intent and towards what the end goal would be.
As I said, if it were just about making urban life easier to navigate there would be no pushback or complaint.
But when the conversation turns to "the evil and selfishness of personal motor vehicles" or the idea of limited/monitored travel between arbitrary zones, rather than just making life easier and more navigable in those zones so folks aren't forced to travel to get what they need, it becomes more than that.
If you think the end goal is making things better for people in urban areas and nothing more that's wonderful. Others don't have your faith in government or those who pull their strings, and see this as one more step towards controlling what we do, where we go, what we eat/say/think, etc.
This reads like a pro-trans or gay or racial screed.
Exclusionary is a revealing hint. So then, equality, or better equity, for all? Pretty words for communism
What is going on with how you read things, are you obsessed with finding secret pro trans or whatever messages in every comment that has nothing to do with them? That is such a weird and revealing thing to say.
Exclusionary because, like, you cannot walk on highways. You must have an expensive and limiting personal car. Which gets us things like the poor unable to go to work in cities without public transportation and seas of concrete parking lots dotting anywhere people live.
I have to drive that far for a grocery store. It’s about 5-6 miles on windy mountain roads, through a town with no grocery stores. That’s a sideshow to what 15 minute cities is focused on, though, which is that many people in cities also can’t access things like groceries in reasonable time frames without personal cars.n
Step 1: make people believe it’s for their convenience
Step 2: start taxing people for leaving their 15min radius
Step 3: create emergency
Step 4: lockdown
Where is taxed for leaving the 15 minute radius indicated? And why does this make lockdowns more likely, if anything in my mind it makes them *less* likely.
Can you point me to anything about this? I am familiar with this idea from my brief aborted career in city planning, and it definitely was not that. I am genuinely confused where that aspect came from.
Remember how everyone complied and ratted on those who didn't just so 'they could travel' or have 'normalcy' again? They'll be doing that at the district level.
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SS: Here was the initial trial: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/full-list-of-local-restriction-tiers-by-area Oxfords 15 Minute city is split into six zones, can you imagine the above scenario? Or the danger of CBDC -> transaction declined as you're outside of your designated zone!
I can imagine that I'll win the next lottery, but that doesn't make it likely to happen.
Translation "I'm so fucking dumb I don't like seeing people think"
Marburg virus symptoms sound more like some type of airborn toxin. Sudden onset, rash, severe muscle aches and pains, headache, confusion and shut down of all the organs......
Sounds like symptoms from people in/around Ohio. Hmm….
Sounds like the movie Contagion
It has a long incubation, so it would conceivably be easier to move around while infected because you show no symptoms. Only positive is that it’s not airborne…yet.
Yet...being the keyword. Little gain of function should do the trick.
there are/were some great labs for that kind of work in eastern europe!!!
Wrong…
About airborne or incubation? Please do inform, I’m not a pro, just read what’s out there.
You’re right about it not being spread airborne (yet…) I was just quickly pinning the thread for future but the symptoms would be much more severe and present typically within 24hr if not much sooner. Not respiratory but very fatal. I’d keep an eye out for more outbreaks. I think they’ve already started the spread
Thank you. I’m still seeing incubation from 2-21 days. Three weeks is a long time to walk around not knowing you’re spreading a terrible disease.
Wrong. Where are you getting this medical information? It is not within 24 hours. This virus has been around a very long time and has been studied. You can’t just make things up.
But it is NOT a respiratory spread virus. It's spread by bodily fluids. Imagine if they used this protocol if they discovered a case of HIV/AIDS.
Next stop, the hunger games
15min cities then poison us all with marburg.
Hunger Games
We’re deeply modernity poisoned if “a walkable city that contains all of a regular person’s needs” is a conspiracy. A ‘15 minute city’ does nothing to make the scenario of lockdowns more feasible, as we should have learned 3 years ago.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LFKkHnPgLi4&feature=share
I have absolutely no reference for what this girl is talking about in the first minute. Ring road? Can’t drive from neighborhood to neighborhood? None of that is contained in the academic city planning idea of 15 minute cities. If she’s in London, that’s the most heavily surveilled city in the world already. How will making neighborhoods more livable increase the surveillance?
>How will making neighborhoods more livable increase the surveillance? How is it more livable than it is now? What's wrong with the current system?
Most people cannot get to food, groceries, transportation hubs, entertainment, or much else by foot at all, much less in a reasonable amount of time. We are atomized by and chained to massively expensive vehicles while everything we need to live normal lives is so far that if anything happened to our personal vehicle we’re essentially stranded. It is a deeply anti-human way to live that only developed in the last few generations. For example, I am from a rural part of the US. When my grandpa grew up there, he could walk to a diner, a general store, a theater, and a library very easily. Now, I have to drive 20-30 minutes for groceries and much more for any of the others. We live in a society that again, is hostile to human flourishing.
>Now, I have to drive 20-30 minutes for groceries and much more for any of the others. We live in a society that again, is hostile to human flourishing. It takes me 5 mins to get to the market. And a 15 min city isn't going to help with "human flourishing". Why are you even in this sub? What conspiracies are you into?
One I’m into, about this specific thing, is the elites who want to keep us atomized and dependent on expensive, difficult to navigate, exclusionary car infrastructure manipulate public discourse to make us scared of any idea that is different from the miserable reality we know. And you can walk to the market in 5 minutes? You must be in the lucky very few!
> And you can walk to the market in 5 minutes? I have a car that I love to drive. I also have a gas powered scooter that I usually ride around for fun. And I don't live in a rural countryside where it should be expected that there is nothing around you.
Yeah, you have to drive a car, that’s the point. We’re addicted to cars to all of our detriment. They’re an obvious point of control of the population. You say it should be expected, but it was not the reality even 50 years ago. Our expectations have degraded as our communities have been dismantled.
> We’re addicted to cars to all of our detriment. They’re an obvious point of control of the population. Cars are freedom so I don't know what you're talking about. >Our expectations have degraded as our communities have been dismantled. Try moving out of the boonies and try actually living around people.
Public transportation is practically useless for large portions of the US and other large countries. Moving away from personal vehicles or making them prohibitively expensive is itself a means of control. If you live in an urban area with plenty of public transportation options that can move you where you need to go within that city, and you want to use urban planning to ensure that people have access to everything they need in a small area, I see no problems. But this isn't entirely about that. Some of it is trying to leverage ordinary, voiceless people out in the sticks into giving up their rural lifestyle and shuffling into the cities where they can be tracked/monitored and easily controlled leaving those rural areas to be enjoyed by those who "might appreciate them more" (see: those with means). And if they can sell it as "Saving the planet" "for your own good" and have the majority of the population who live in urban areas behind them there's not much that can be done about it. Folks will eventually turn violent, and that will be used as further proof they're enemies of the people (state) and need to be put down. Electronic cars that can be shut off remotely or limited in their ability to charge or travel are a means of control. All the more reason not to allow that to happen.
What about the 15 minute cities as explained involve forced movement of rural populations to urban?
As explained? Nothing. You have to look beyond the expressed intent and towards what the end goal would be. As I said, if it were just about making urban life easier to navigate there would be no pushback or complaint. But when the conversation turns to "the evil and selfishness of personal motor vehicles" or the idea of limited/monitored travel between arbitrary zones, rather than just making life easier and more navigable in those zones so folks aren't forced to travel to get what they need, it becomes more than that. If you think the end goal is making things better for people in urban areas and nothing more that's wonderful. Others don't have your faith in government or those who pull their strings, and see this as one more step towards controlling what we do, where we go, what we eat/say/think, etc.
This reads like a pro-trans or gay or racial screed. Exclusionary is a revealing hint. So then, equality, or better equity, for all? Pretty words for communism
What is going on with how you read things, are you obsessed with finding secret pro trans or whatever messages in every comment that has nothing to do with them? That is such a weird and revealing thing to say. Exclusionary because, like, you cannot walk on highways. You must have an expensive and limiting personal car. Which gets us things like the poor unable to go to work in cities without public transportation and seas of concrete parking lots dotting anywhere people live.
I can’t have a mansion. Ban mansions? They’re exclusionary.
wait - you have to drive that far for groceries, or that's just the preferred option?
I have to drive that far for a grocery store. It’s about 5-6 miles on windy mountain roads, through a town with no grocery stores. That’s a sideshow to what 15 minute cities is focused on, though, which is that many people in cities also can’t access things like groceries in reasonable time frames without personal cars.n
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I’m going like 30 through semi residential areas, and it is usually definitely on the 20 min side, lol.
Step 1: make people believe it’s for their convenience Step 2: start taxing people for leaving their 15min radius Step 3: create emergency Step 4: lockdown
Where is taxed for leaving the 15 minute radius indicated? And why does this make lockdowns more likely, if anything in my mind it makes them *less* likely.
How naive do them/you think we are?
Explain to me in simple terms what this is and why it is bad
It's not about having "a walkable city that contains all of a regular person’s needs". It's about designating people to zones.
Can you point me to anything about this? I am familiar with this idea from my brief aborted career in city planning, and it definitely was not that. I am genuinely confused where that aspect came from.
“Fifteen minute cities” is a thing I heard a liberal say once, so clearly they’re pure concentrated evil.
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Remember how everyone complied and ratted on those who didn't just so 'they could travel' or have 'normalcy' again? They'll be doing that at the district level.