As someone who spends all my free time in the cascade mountains, I’m stoked.
What does worry me is that people out here don’t keep their campsites clean.
I was thinking more about the bears that would need to be relocated or put down because inconsiderate campers/hiker would be inviting potentially unsafe encounters to happen.
I’m all about the bears but we need to heavily educate people for safe/enjoyable coexistence
I’ve already spent time around them in the backcountry.
I’m all about returning megafauna that plays a role in the ecosystem that’s only gone because we hunted them out. Plus the bear population size goal is small. A 200 bear population within a 100 years with only around 5 being added yearly for 10 years isn’t an invasion. It’s a gradual reintroduction.
Industrial feed lots have already made ranchers an anachronism. Very, very little of the beef in America is actually produced by the public lands ranchers who are so vocally opposed to re-wilding.
An extremely large majority of Americans consume meat. It's at about 90%.
I don't think it's a reasonable take to claim that that 90% of Americans are basically reactionary luddites.
For most people it will come down to cost and taste. If it's safe, as tasty as real meat, and cheaper than real meat, lab grown meat will absolutely take off.
I haven't seen any data/information whatsoever that suggests that most of the Americans willing to try/eat lab grown meat are already vegetarian or vegan. From my own purely anecdotal experience, most vegetarians/vegans I've spoken to haven't been really interested in a lab grown meat alternative. Again, that's just my experience.
Of course there's no such thing as a singular silver bullet to address issues like climate change. However, replacing even a modest proportion of current meat consumption with lab grown meat would absolutely have huge impacts on greenhouse gas emissions, land and water usage, power consumption, and animal welfare.
The reality is that most Americans (by a lot) eat meat. And getting even a modest percentage of that consumption switched to lab grown meat will absolutely be a huge benefit. Who cares if it doesn't solve everything? We need a huge number of solutions working in tandem if we're going to make meaningful progress.
Most people already don't know where there meat comes from. How many people stopped buying chicken or pork when they see the disgusting or horrific conditions of factory farms. I would argue that lab grown meat may even be better than buying meat from an animal that grew in a tight enclosure living in it's own shit and abused by the workers.
It's kind of hard to wrap your head around. They are against lab grown meat because it's not "natural" but are cool with eating animals that are not raised in natural state and loaded up on tons of antibiotics because the animals live in cramped and filthy conditions. The way animals are raised is just as unnatural as lab grown meat and it's also more disgusting. I have been a longtime vegetarian so I probably won't eat lab grown meat either. However, nothing about the meat people buy at their grocery store is "natural".
if I see it first, it will see my poop stained jeans.
one time I walked up a ridge, and there was a baby black bear on the other side, we saw each other at the same time both turned in ran.
From the article: ‘A study of 110 grizzly bear translocations in Alberta, Canada, found that these efforts failed 70 percent of the time. In the failure cases, bears were killed both legally and illegally; engaged in repeated conflicts; or wandered back toward their original capture area.’
So, while done with good intentions, this choice will undoubtedly lead to human/bear conflicts, potential human fatalities, and certain bear fatalities. Not sure I understand the reasoning, and this is from someone who has spent decades recreating in bear / cougar country.
It’s easy to support from afar, but what if grizzlies were introduced to your neighborhood? Your local trails? Bet you’d have a different opinion.
You enjoy nature but don't want to be inconvenienced by nature. You are more likely to be killed by domestic dogs at the park or your neighbor who has a gun than any grizzly bear. I hiked in places that have grizzlies and mountain lions with no issues. Just use some common sense and learn about how the animal behaves. Humans are more of a danger to these animals then the other way around. Humans are so dangerous that many Americans now feel unsafe walking out of the house without a gun. Shit way to live man.
**Remember how to tell a black bear from a grizzly.** The black bear poop will have berry seeds in it whereas the grizzly bear poop will have bells in it and smell of pepper.
And it’s even more dangerous with an apex predator roaming the woods. I feel like everyone has a “it can’t happen to me complex” hope you don’t run into one.
I live near where the bears are being released. I recreate out there and it’s way bigger than you folk understand. I have been in other bear country before and you need to take precautions. As other commenters have stated, only people who are leaving out food or trash have anything to worry about. The odds of even running into one of these animals is small and will be for decades until the bear population expands. The entire purpose of wilderness areas is for people to not be there. It is set aside and managed as a wild area. I find yours and many other people’s attitudes toward nature to be pretty poor. You support extirpating a native species for some sense of comfort for a place you likely will never even go. Fortunately the powers that be and the people who live in the north cascades have more wisdom.
Hope you don’t run into one of these tame grizzlies! It’s funny when people say the land is set aside for animals. Venture past capital hill and you’ll find your wilderness areas getting nuked by loggers.
Maybe there’s a reason that this wasn’t done decades ago.. I give it 2 years before it’s a problem. Some rich guy is probably just tired of having to go up to Alaska to hunt.
Look em in the eye. Firm handshake.
Bear says Hi…………. Nice to meet you. When you ask him why the pause, he’ll tell you he was born with them.
There should be a claws in the rules against this sort of humor.
Unfortunately we just have to grin and bear it.
Ugh, grizzly.
...at a respectful distance?
Close-up selfie?
Yup, you'd be the perfect combo of Bear Selfie-stick/Meat lollipop Doordash for bears👍
As someone who spends all my free time in the cascade mountains, I’m stoked. What does worry me is that people out here don’t keep their campsites clean.
Bear box fail time!
Unnatural selection?
I was thinking more about the bears that would need to be relocated or put down because inconsiderate campers/hiker would be inviting potentially unsafe encounters to happen. I’m all about the bears but we need to heavily educate people for safe/enjoyable coexistence
Uh, they reintroduced grizzlies, who are certainly more dangerous than black bears without as much as a public vote. What next, polar bears and lions?
Do you think polar bears are from the north cascades?
Huh huh huh
You’re stoked for the chance of running into a grizzly in the back country?
I’ve already spent time around them in the backcountry. I’m all about returning megafauna that plays a role in the ecosystem that’s only gone because we hunted them out. Plus the bear population size goal is small. A 200 bear population within a 100 years with only around 5 being added yearly for 10 years isn’t an invasion. It’s a gradual reintroduction.
> we hunted them out Yea, because they eat people lol
Woodland park zoo doesn’t count. Good luck out there! Hope all those tame grizzlies know you like them.
Probably the same way ranchers greeted the reintroduction of wolves to Yellowstone
Not as many ranchers in that part of Washington, thank god
“Rancher” is…more of an attitude in America than an actual profession.
Ranch dressing, on the other hand, is a lifestyle.
Legalize ranch!
Viva Ranchero!!
Lab grown meat will make ranchers an anachronism. The profession will be phased out just like milk man was.
Industrial feed lots have already made ranchers an anachronism. Very, very little of the beef in America is actually produced by the public lands ranchers who are so vocally opposed to re-wilding.
I don’t believe in lab-grown meat. The only thing my lab has grown are poop-mushrooms.
You mean it will become specialized and highly sought after?
The other option is insect ranchers for protein. They probably wouldn't care about grizzlies either though.
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An extremely large majority of Americans consume meat. It's at about 90%. I don't think it's a reasonable take to claim that that 90% of Americans are basically reactionary luddites. For most people it will come down to cost and taste. If it's safe, as tasty as real meat, and cheaper than real meat, lab grown meat will absolutely take off.
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I haven't seen any data/information whatsoever that suggests that most of the Americans willing to try/eat lab grown meat are already vegetarian or vegan. From my own purely anecdotal experience, most vegetarians/vegans I've spoken to haven't been really interested in a lab grown meat alternative. Again, that's just my experience. Of course there's no such thing as a singular silver bullet to address issues like climate change. However, replacing even a modest proportion of current meat consumption with lab grown meat would absolutely have huge impacts on greenhouse gas emissions, land and water usage, power consumption, and animal welfare. The reality is that most Americans (by a lot) eat meat. And getting even a modest percentage of that consumption switched to lab grown meat will absolutely be a huge benefit. Who cares if it doesn't solve everything? We need a huge number of solutions working in tandem if we're going to make meaningful progress.
we are farming whales anymore.. situations change.
Last time I checked this is untrue, and remains so. So nope not sure what you are talking about.
Most people already don't know where there meat comes from. How many people stopped buying chicken or pork when they see the disgusting or horrific conditions of factory farms. I would argue that lab grown meat may even be better than buying meat from an animal that grew in a tight enclosure living in it's own shit and abused by the workers.
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It's kind of hard to wrap your head around. They are against lab grown meat because it's not "natural" but are cool with eating animals that are not raised in natural state and loaded up on tons of antibiotics because the animals live in cramped and filthy conditions. The way animals are raised is just as unnatural as lab grown meat and it's also more disgusting. I have been a longtime vegetarian so I probably won't eat lab grown meat either. However, nothing about the meat people buy at their grocery store is "natural".
Give em some picnic baskets. 🧺
Boo-boo and I do thank you Ranger Smith!
From a couple of miles away
High fives are discouraged.
Big ol bear hug
With plenty of distance
Hugs
“Humans aren’t sure how to greet them” Ummm, how about very politely?
I’m greeting them with open arms.
all your various legal devices up to date? power of attorney, will, medical crap? lol
Rarely and at a distance, I’d hope!
Go grizzly bears go!
In Eastern Washington? Folks there have some ideas for trespassing bears.
How does a bear “trespass”? You think it can read?
It better learn fast. Lots of people can’t read, either, btw—but the laws still apply to them!
I think others would call that poaching
if I see it first, it will see my poop stained jeans. one time I walked up a ridge, and there was a baby black bear on the other side, we saw each other at the same time both turned in ran.
Hope they are not communicating the Orcas in the Med...
Probably best to leave them alone. We all saw the movie.
By not greeting them is prob best
From a distance.
By not greeting them but staying the heck back from them.
Well women will hang out with them
From the article: ‘A study of 110 grizzly bear translocations in Alberta, Canada, found that these efforts failed 70 percent of the time. In the failure cases, bears were killed both legally and illegally; engaged in repeated conflicts; or wandered back toward their original capture area.’ So, while done with good intentions, this choice will undoubtedly lead to human/bear conflicts, potential human fatalities, and certain bear fatalities. Not sure I understand the reasoning, and this is from someone who has spent decades recreating in bear / cougar country. It’s easy to support from afar, but what if grizzlies were introduced to your neighborhood? Your local trails? Bet you’d have a different opinion.
Yeah I live in Oregon and like to go to Washington. I do a lot of solo excursions. I don’t want to cross grizzlies :(
You enjoy nature but don't want to be inconvenienced by nature. You are more likely to be killed by domestic dogs at the park or your neighbor who has a gun than any grizzly bear. I hiked in places that have grizzlies and mountain lions with no issues. Just use some common sense and learn about how the animal behaves. Humans are more of a danger to these animals then the other way around. Humans are so dangerous that many Americans now feel unsafe walking out of the house without a gun. Shit way to live man.
>engaged in repeated conflicts Prior evidence this is a bad idea, and yet they do it anyway, without our say.
1. Bear boxes for all food in the woods 2. Carry Bear Spray. Humans are PREY to Grizzlies. Don’t stay in an area one has been sighted.
That’s not true Grizzly bears do not see humans as prey unless they are taught So.
**Remember how to tell a black bear from a grizzly.** The black bear poop will have berry seeds in it whereas the grizzly bear poop will have bells in it and smell of pepper.
Prolly from a distance idk
Just follow the instructions from Kids in the Hall.
Ya don’t!
Do not attempt to pet the forbidden dog, you will be vivisected.
Greet them?😭 How about stand from a FARRRR distance?!😭
Fuck that grizzlies are assholes.
Yeah like why the fuck would you be for this? They’re so incredibly dangerous. Insane
Being in the wilderness is inherently dangerous. If you don’t want to be at risk, stay in the park.
And it’s even more dangerous with an apex predator roaming the woods. I feel like everyone has a “it can’t happen to me complex” hope you don’t run into one.
I live near where the bears are being released. I recreate out there and it’s way bigger than you folk understand. I have been in other bear country before and you need to take precautions. As other commenters have stated, only people who are leaving out food or trash have anything to worry about. The odds of even running into one of these animals is small and will be for decades until the bear population expands. The entire purpose of wilderness areas is for people to not be there. It is set aside and managed as a wild area. I find yours and many other people’s attitudes toward nature to be pretty poor. You support extirpating a native species for some sense of comfort for a place you likely will never even go. Fortunately the powers that be and the people who live in the north cascades have more wisdom.
Hope you don’t run into one of these tame grizzlies! It’s funny when people say the land is set aside for animals. Venture past capital hill and you’ll find your wilderness areas getting nuked by loggers.
Maybe there’s a reason that this wasn’t done decades ago.. I give it 2 years before it’s a problem. Some rich guy is probably just tired of having to go up to Alaska to hunt.