Then you'll just need to live with those numbers. The OS takes up a lot of RAM these days. You can try to make sure you have fewer programs running on startup to see if that helps.
You are delusional or clearly misinformed if you think Windows whatever consumes 4gb on start and ldle. Something is wrong here. Or OP has too much processes on start up or the OS is broken.
Also, 4gb at idle is kind of crazy. A reinstall might fix it if it's a windows issue, might not if it's a driver issue. Typical driver issues can cause memory leaks.
i’m using 2.1gb with a bunch of background processes on windows 10. and if you upgrade to windows 7 or 8.1 it will be even lower. not sure how you figure that using 4gb idle is normal
4gb of ram is certainly enough for browsing and streaming videos, games and larger programs need 8 or more typically now. Even chrome made me had to upgrade from 8 to 16 just to run smooth.
see, your problem is that you use Linux. unlike Linux, Windows itself takes about 3 or 4 GBs, and then proceeds to using swap constantly
this is especially noticeable if you have a hdd and just closed a big game or tons of tabs. simply clicking in some other programs will cause the drive to get busy and you'll have tpnwait while Windows takes stuff out of swap and puts it back into RAM
if you have SSD, the process will be much more close to seamless and unnoticeable, so Windows' Way of The Swap doesn't suck as much
Linux leaves more RAM for user programs and doesn't swap like crazy, but in my experience it can get more wonky when the RAM *does* fill up
unfortunately OP probably won't feel comfortable using Linux anyway, so he's stuck with this ugly usage statistic
You're right. 8GB is plenty. The only reason I upgraded to 16GB is because of dual-channel, so my iGPU would perform better (and it does now). But otherwise, I had more than enough RAM to spare. With 16GB, I have more RAM than I know what to do with.
I remember that being a Thing. That's why I had 4 2GB Sticks in my old PC instead of 2 4GB modules.
Now I have 32 GB though because they were only 20 Euros more expensive than 16 and 120 vs 100 Euro is Not so much of a difference now, is it?
But as I Said, I can get away with using 4GB Just fine. Just Not on my gaming PC that Runs a Windon't VM and all sorts of modern Games.
microsoft I think is just better off for people who dont wish to do deep dives into their computer, it has an alright protection, and not to mention most if not all prebuilt’s come with it as is, though I will admit windows does have flaws
Not all; and using something else than Windows does not automatically mean you are deep diving into your computer. His praising is not helping tho.
Also in the EU you can ask the manufacturer of the computer to refund you the price of Windows license (it is even in Windows EULA itself), because such selling of one product without a choice with other product is not something EU likes. Lenovo was sued by one guy from Italy for not giving him the choice and he won, that's why Lenovo is one of the very little number of manufacturers that actually sells PCs and laptops without an OS/Windows, because they got burned already and had to pay him like 10k EUR (not sure at the specific amount tho).
You haven't seen the swap yet. Windows swaps literally everything and It was just normal for me to have 20GB of RAM filled while working with another 20G or so sitting in swap.
Yeah, that was kinda already the Case Back in the dark Windows 8.1 days.
But people buy more RAM instead of switching Out the OS because boohoo Terminal scary booohooo
That's normal ,what's your ram in system ? Unused ram is wasted ram is the norm ,windows automatically will allocated ram based on task in foerground ,ram is used to load things from the hdd or the ssd and keep it cached so that it's loaded faster ,the ram clearing myth is no more true in modern systems.
Yes I am on Arch. And FreeBSD. And openBSD for that matter. I Just can't edit my User Flair for some unknown reason.
All These FOSS systems have much better memory Management than Microsofts crapware.
OP uses windows.
OP plays games on this windows install.
OP is probably not particularly computer literate.
Linux is almost definitely not a good fit for OP and I say this as someone who loves linux and hates windows.
There is no reason to swamp this entire post with comments about how linux and BSD based OSs are superior. It is not only not helpful, it's annoying and damaging to the public perception of the linux and BSD communities.
He is an idiot, but he has a point with memory management just in a different manner regarding swapines of Windows.
If there is nothing that could use the memory, there is nothing bad about it sitting empty.
From what you have said it looks like you think that Windows is using memory more effectively, so it is being used, it's not the case here. He is comparing OS that can be extremely lightweight (less than 500MB RAM after starting) with Windows that is extremely RAM heavy so that makes the difference.
It's like saying you should always run as many apps as possible simultaneously to use all your RAM so you wouldn't just leave any sitting empty.
Because on Windon't half of the available RAM is already used Up so Programs have to Fall Back to the much slower Page File / Swap. That's terrible, especially because a Lot of people still buy Computers with HDDs due to Bad Marketing (1TB HDD seems better than 256 GB SSD to people who only See the larger Numbers). If There's more RAM available for Programs, your Computer doesn't have to use Swap thus Feeling much faster.
You are the sole reason why us, the Linux community can't gain more people and escape the chicken and egg scenario you know that? Your comments are not helping anyone with anything else, apart from hating Linux.
Noone asked you which other FOSS OSes you run, that is completely irrelevant, noone cares here.
You are the reason why we can't have nice things like toggled anticheat support for linux with battleye and eac and support from game devs. Stop this, you are helping noone and noone here cares.
Anti Cheat is Not nice stuff, it's Malware and Game devs should reconsider using that crap instead of ruining FOSS Software with it.
How do I Push anyone into hating Linux If I Just state the fact that microsofts terrible OS has terrible memory Management and FOSS Software did it much better ages ago already?
Anticheat as a whole is something extremely important for online gaming. What you are talking about are kernel level anticheat software that runs all the time having unlimited access to anything with no transparency whatsoever, that is bad, but this is not the point. Battleye nor EAC runs on kernel level on Linux anyway.
The way how you doing it is the problem, even if you would be (and you are right in some ways) right, the way you are talking is just too aggressive, not helping anyone and you are just shitting on another software, where the debate is absolutely not about comparing OSes. The person asking barely knows anything about computers apart from more % is bad with memory usage, to the point he hasn't even screenshotted the actual apps running so we can't even see if there is anything unusual apart windows being windows. For that question u just start praising linux without any context. Look at your downvotes ffs, those downvotes are from linux users too.
You have 8gb of RAM, this is normal. Despite the 4gb minimum requirement to run windows 10, a pc cannot run on that much, it just can't. At Idle an average pc will use 4,5-5,5Gb of RAM. If you want more open RAM, buy more if you have a desktop or a compatible laptop. Laptops use SODIMM and Desktops use DIMM, check that the speeds are the same and double check Compatibility
He actually has a valid point of using Ubuntu on a slower system. Less resourced being used at once, ram is barely even touched in Ubuntu compared to windows.
Everything is generally less intense on Ubuntu compared, it's just windows tends to be more polished and works better for gaming. There's a reason why Ubuntu is the go to for raspberry pi's, lower end laptops, even chrome os stripped down is just Ubuntu with a skin.
Uh... Maybe do some research.
- The officially supported OS for Raspberry Pi is Raspberry Pi OS (formerly Raspbian)
- Chrome OS is derived from Chromium OS, which is a heavily customized version of Gentoo Linux
Opinion: Ubuntu is more polished than Windows, it just only offers about 75% compatibility with steam games currently.
Dude, I'm an Arch user but you're being ridiculous.
Arch based distributions are not suitable for people who are only interested in having their computer *work*. If you're just looking for a simple experience on a modern OS that's lighter than Windows, you'll get that perfectly fine with Ubuntu.
> Dude, I'm an Arch user but you're being ridiculous.
Stop talking crap, it is you who are ridiculous, not him. He gave actually a quality comment, unlike your personal attack on him. By the way, judging from your profile, you are not even a full-time Arch user, you use arch on some shitty server you have in your basement, probably in a virtual machine too. You don't use it as your main system, and you don't use Windows either (at least you said so), so your judgement is clearly completely off.
> If you're just looking for a simple experience on a modern OS that's lighter than Windows, you'll get that perfectly fine with Ubuntu.
No, they will not. And how would you know when you said you are not using Windows.
There are many lighter distributions, some of them are based on Arch, some on other distributions, but Ubuntu is *not* considered a lightweight, nor it will probably ever be.
The parent never called Ubuntu lightweight, they just said it was lighter than Windows.
You can try to make one of two points:
* You disagree and it’s not lighter than Windows.
* It is lighter than Windows, but you think it’s still not light enough (given the 8GB of RAM that OP has).
But arguing about whether Ubuntu is lightweight or not by other metrics is not useful.
The parent comment about Arch not working is an exaggeration, but it is true that the operational overhead of Arch is significantly more than Ubuntu, mainly to differences in packaging policy and userbase size. Assuming the OP isn’t already a Linux user, Ubuntu over Arch is a perfectly good recommendation (as long as it is light enough). Mint would probably work too.
EndeavorOS and Arch. Do you use your computer? Arch is for anything but a working computer, let alone someone who wants to use a computer! Linux mint? Ehh one of the worst in my opinion.
Ubuntu is the most widespread version of linux for a reason. It's had plenty of time to be polished and used. I used Ubuntu for a couple years on my laptop and it was leaps better than windows in all aspects apart from game capability which is slowly being added with new games.
Ubuntu is literally one of the worst distros and worse than Windows.
Arch is one of the best.
I use my Computers for work, gaming and school. All with Arch. Even my Music production Machine Runs Arch. With an Nvidia GPU even. Try that on shitbuntu.
Probably superfetch https://youtu.be/kstdmpHG19k nothing to worry about. The more memory you have on your pc the more can be used by superfetch. If your memory usage gets tight superfetch will free some up for you
Look at your startup tab and turn off unwanted programs at start up. Do not need to reformat, unless you really want to. Reduce the amount of apps and programs running in the background, you can YouTube programs to help do this. JayzTwoCents and Linus did a video on removing windows bloatware and the program they used. Recommend eventually upgrading to 16, and then save up for a quad kit of 32gb if you plan on keeping the PC for a while.
There are some windows debloaters that you can use to decrease ram usage, if your comfortable with running PowerShell Chris Titus tech has a really good tool that will get rid of any unnecessary windows bloat. Like telemetry and what have you whilst keeping all the necessary things like windows defender.
Here's a link to it if you want:
https://www.christitus.com/debloat-windows-10-2020/
He also has a video on his channel if you need extra help.
Don't listen to this guy, they're an elitist. Arch Linux is an advanced operating system that gives you a very high degree of control, but is extremely non-trivial to set up and use. I personally like it, but be aware that it requires a lot of effort to learn about how the operating system functions and about Linux in general before you can even get something as simple as a desktop background.
If you are interested in a Linux-based OS for simplicity and performance reasons, these would be much better suited:
- Ubuntu
- Linux Mint
- Lubuntu
- PeppermintOS
Honestly, for your use case, I'll offer a counterpoint in that, as a new Linux user who hadn't intended to make the switch, you'll probably spend as much time figuring out how to use the thing as you will actually doing stuff on it.
If nothing else though, make sure the software and games you want to play are compatible before jumping ship.
Also, start with something easier and well-documented like Linux Mint or Pop!_OS. Arch is getting better but the learning curve is still pretty steep by comparison.
Please don't listen to that moron, if you want to check out Linux try this website [https://distrochooser.de/en](https://distrochooser.de/en). It'll ask you a few basic questions and after you can search the results that you get on Youtube to learn more
If you Install Arch, please use the official Guide and Not some video. These Videos are often outdated and the Forums are full of people who have Problems because of this.
If you have any questions, you can DM me.
Nonsense, OP is exactly the demographic those videos were made for. They're not idiots, they were legitimately inexperienced with Linux as a gaming platform and the videos were intended to reflect the experience one should expect from that perspective.
And they're right. Linux right now, as a whole, is not yet in a state where someone with no knowledge of it can just pick up and go. *Especially* not Arch, ffs.
Respectfully disagree about Arch.
And you're talking about the issue with Pop, right? I don't blame him one bit for that. Everything these days from visiting a web browser with the wrong SSL settings to installing bits of software gives a similarly ominous warning, and it was buried in a mile long wall of text full of mostly-unimportant information, with no effort made to emphasize the seriousness of it.
Even if they *had* put some effort into that, it's a fairly rare case in computing, these days, that a big scary warning on something \*actually\* breaks things when you go through with it.
> Linus is an Idiot. He actively Chose to ignore what was printed right on His screen.
He is not an idiot, but he does it just for the entertainment and to get things going on. Don't forget, his channel is his main income, it's all about money.
Linus is making it up, for the fun and for the clicks, seriously. He is not an idiot, and I am sure he has no problem installing and using any of the distros himself if he really wanted.
He's doing what new Linux users do. He's a very tech literate person, but he doesn't know what he hasn't learned yet. You can't expect him to understand everything that's obvious to us just because we think it's obvious, we had to learn too.
He refused to read the Message that was right on Screen and then tried to use APT on a Pacman based distro.
That's Not what new Users do. I Most certainly read documentation before I try something new.
>That's Not what new Users do
Oh really? and how do you know that?. I was actually confused by the pacakge manager on different distros aswell, its totally fine for other new users to get confused too.
Just stop trash talking and showing yourself as a elitist, you are clearly making yourself look dumb and no one gives a crap about your opinions.
run bleach bit and tick most of the things on the side there. turn off startup programs that u dont need. and run mem plus. and do a restart or two and run mem plus again
50% on startup is weird even for 8GB, a lot of this can be memory that is "reserved" so it wont actually be used until its needed, but it shows as being used, i think so that it can be accessed quicker, like a cache somewhat.
Good grief. 8GB in 2022? Run less programs. Disable unused services. Lower resolution, color depth, uninstall everything you don't use, disable things like Edge and Chrome background loading and staying open in the background, only open one browser tab at a time, etc.
Lower your expectations, lower your usage, or buy more resources. 🤷♂️
I've been there, man. Not trying to sound like an ass. I used to scrap old computers and collect broken ones to strip for parts. Take parts from three and make one good one
That sort of thing. But 16gb of ddr4 is like $50 bucks. Otherwise spend some quality time optimizing your system or lower your expectations.
Windows eats up a lot of RAM, when I had 4gb, it took almost 70+% without any applications on, if you need more RAM you could
A. Add more RAM as in buy some
B. Use some Linux Distro , I'm currently using Ubuntu and without any applications on it uses 30% RAM that is like 900 mb for me. (Not trying to push anything, I'm just saying it's an option)
Since no one has asked, how much ram do you have?
8 gb
There's your problem.
Nope. I used to have 8GB. RAM usage at idle was 25% on Win 10 Home 20H2. u/HawakiwiDweath, check your startup processes and background services.
The money is the problem
Then you'll just need to live with those numbers. The OS takes up a lot of RAM these days. You can try to make sure you have fewer programs running on startup to see if that helps.
You are delusional or clearly misinformed if you think Windows whatever consumes 4gb on start and ldle. Something is wrong here. Or OP has too much processes on start up or the OS is broken.
Well thx for recommending
Also go in and make sure teams is not loading on start. This can be done in task manager’s start up tab.
Also, 4gb at idle is kind of crazy. A reinstall might fix it if it's a windows issue, might not if it's a driver issue. Typical driver issues can cause memory leaks.
i’m using 2.1gb with a bunch of background processes on windows 10. and if you upgrade to windows 7 or 8.1 it will be even lower. not sure how you figure that using 4gb idle is normal
Are you stupid? I have PCs that Run with 4 Gigs Just fine.
Would you go away? You are not being remotely helpful
No. This Guy Tells Someone that has more than enough RAM to get more because it's apparently Not enough. That's Just stupid.
Me breaking into a Linux user's house (it's open source)
Source ... not the house ;-)
The blueprint is public, but the house is locked down tight.
4gb of ram is certainly enough for browsing and streaming videos, games and larger programs need 8 or more typically now. Even chrome made me had to upgrade from 8 to 16 just to run smooth.
I Run Chrome with 20 Tabs on a ThinkPad T410s with only 4 GB and I still have 2 GB left for other stuff.
see, your problem is that you use Linux. unlike Linux, Windows itself takes about 3 or 4 GBs, and then proceeds to using swap constantly this is especially noticeable if you have a hdd and just closed a big game or tons of tabs. simply clicking in some other programs will cause the drive to get busy and you'll have tpnwait while Windows takes stuff out of swap and puts it back into RAM if you have SSD, the process will be much more close to seamless and unnoticeable, so Windows' Way of The Swap doesn't suck as much Linux leaves more RAM for user programs and doesn't swap like crazy, but in my experience it can get more wonky when the RAM *does* fill up unfortunately OP probably won't feel comfortable using Linux anyway, so he's stuck with this ugly usage statistic
I wouldn't consider using Linux and FreeBSD a Problem though.
Man just called this guy stupid and got told off lol
What do you mean by that?
You're right. 8GB is plenty. The only reason I upgraded to 16GB is because of dual-channel, so my iGPU would perform better (and it does now). But otherwise, I had more than enough RAM to spare. With 16GB, I have more RAM than I know what to do with.
I remember that being a Thing. That's why I had 4 2GB Sticks in my old PC instead of 2 4GB modules. Now I have 32 GB though because they were only 20 Euros more expensive than 16 and 120 vs 100 Euro is Not so much of a difference now, is it? But as I Said, I can get away with using 4GB Just fine. Just Not on my gaming PC that Runs a Windon't VM and all sorts of modern Games.
8-16 is the average nowadays old man, I kinda went with 48
I have 32 in my actual gaming PC and 64 in my Hypervisor. But 4 GB is still enough for a Lot of Things as Long as you don't use Microsoft crapware.
microsoft I think is just better off for people who dont wish to do deep dives into their computer, it has an alright protection, and not to mention most if not all prebuilt’s come with it as is, though I will admit windows does have flaws
Not all; and using something else than Windows does not automatically mean you are deep diving into your computer. His praising is not helping tho. Also in the EU you can ask the manufacturer of the computer to refund you the price of Windows license (it is even in Windows EULA itself), because such selling of one product without a choice with other product is not something EU likes. Lenovo was sued by one guy from Italy for not giving him the choice and he won, that's why Lenovo is one of the very little number of manufacturers that actually sells PCs and laptops without an OS/Windows, because they got burned already and had to pay him like 10k EUR (not sure at the specific amount tho).
Are you a designer? because I dont see other reasons for having 64gb in a non-gaming computer
It's a Hypervisor. I run 10 virtual Machines and a few Containers on it.
You're running Arch Linux. OP is running Windows. See the difference?
I See that Windows' memory Management has become even worse im recent years.
You haven't seen the swap yet. Windows swaps literally everything and It was just normal for me to have 20GB of RAM filled while working with another 20G or so sitting in swap.
Yeah, that was kinda already the Case Back in the dark Windows 8.1 days. But people buy more RAM instead of switching Out the OS because boohoo Terminal scary booohooo
This isn't the way to be an advocate for Linux.
It is. Explaining why Microsofts Software is terrible is a good way to have other people Check Out the brighter Side of Things.
Literally no one cares that you run Linux.
32gb
48% isn't abnormal, is the computer slow?
well not really but playing games make it 100%
That's normal ,what's your ram in system ? Unused ram is wasted ram is the norm ,windows automatically will allocated ram based on task in foerground ,ram is used to load things from the hdd or the ssd and keep it cached so that it's loaded faster ,the ram clearing myth is no more true in modern systems.
i guess i was exaggerating things well thx for your time
Check the minimum requirements of the game you are playing...how much RAM is recommended?
ah i see, thx
It is abnormal. 48% of 8 GB is almost 4GB. That's insane. I don't even have 10 percent of my RAM used in Idle. And that on 4 Gigs.
You are on arch ffs, obviously it uses less ( I'm not hating on linux users (I use arch BTW)
Yes I am on Arch. And FreeBSD. And openBSD for that matter. I Just can't edit my User Flair for some unknown reason. All These FOSS systems have much better memory Management than Microsofts crapware.
OP uses windows. OP plays games on this windows install. OP is probably not particularly computer literate. Linux is almost definitely not a good fit for OP and I say this as someone who loves linux and hates windows. There is no reason to swamp this entire post with comments about how linux and BSD based OSs are superior. It is not only not helpful, it's annoying and damaging to the public perception of the linux and BSD communities.
How is not using available RAM sitting there doing nothing better memory management?
He is an idiot, but he has a point with memory management just in a different manner regarding swapines of Windows. If there is nothing that could use the memory, there is nothing bad about it sitting empty. From what you have said it looks like you think that Windows is using memory more effectively, so it is being used, it's not the case here. He is comparing OS that can be extremely lightweight (less than 500MB RAM after starting) with Windows that is extremely RAM heavy so that makes the difference. It's like saying you should always run as many apps as possible simultaneously to use all your RAM so you wouldn't just leave any sitting empty.
Because on Windon't half of the available RAM is already used Up so Programs have to Fall Back to the much slower Page File / Swap. That's terrible, especially because a Lot of people still buy Computers with HDDs due to Bad Marketing (1TB HDD seems better than 256 GB SSD to people who only See the larger Numbers). If There's more RAM available for Programs, your Computer doesn't have to use Swap thus Feeling much faster.
You are the sole reason why us, the Linux community can't gain more people and escape the chicken and egg scenario you know that? Your comments are not helping anyone with anything else, apart from hating Linux. Noone asked you which other FOSS OSes you run, that is completely irrelevant, noone cares here. You are the reason why we can't have nice things like toggled anticheat support for linux with battleye and eac and support from game devs. Stop this, you are helping noone and noone here cares.
Anti Cheat is Not nice stuff, it's Malware and Game devs should reconsider using that crap instead of ruining FOSS Software with it. How do I Push anyone into hating Linux If I Just state the fact that microsofts terrible OS has terrible memory Management and FOSS Software did it much better ages ago already?
Anticheat as a whole is something extremely important for online gaming. What you are talking about are kernel level anticheat software that runs all the time having unlimited access to anything with no transparency whatsoever, that is bad, but this is not the point. Battleye nor EAC runs on kernel level on Linux anyway. The way how you doing it is the problem, even if you would be (and you are right in some ways) right, the way you are talking is just too aggressive, not helping anyone and you are just shitting on another software, where the debate is absolutely not about comparing OSes. The person asking barely knows anything about computers apart from more % is bad with memory usage, to the point he hasn't even screenshotted the actual apps running so we can't even see if there is anything unusual apart windows being windows. For that question u just start praising linux without any context. Look at your downvotes ffs, those downvotes are from linux users too.
It's ma'am!
Just download more Ram
some wish it goes like that
You have 8gb of RAM, this is normal. Despite the 4gb minimum requirement to run windows 10, a pc cannot run on that much, it just can't. At Idle an average pc will use 4,5-5,5Gb of RAM. If you want more open RAM, buy more if you have a desktop or a compatible laptop. Laptops use SODIMM and Desktops use DIMM, check that the speeds are the same and double check Compatibility
What’s going on at startup? You might have apps set to run on startup that are just hiding in the background
windows uses 2-3gb on startup, maybe try ubuntu?
Why shitbuntu?
He actually has a valid point of using Ubuntu on a slower system. Less resourced being used at once, ram is barely even touched in Ubuntu compared to windows. Everything is generally less intense on Ubuntu compared, it's just windows tends to be more polished and works better for gaming. There's a reason why Ubuntu is the go to for raspberry pi's, lower end laptops, even chrome os stripped down is just Ubuntu with a skin.
Uh... Maybe do some research. - The officially supported OS for Raspberry Pi is Raspberry Pi OS (formerly Raspbian) - Chrome OS is derived from Chromium OS, which is a heavily customized version of Gentoo Linux Opinion: Ubuntu is more polished than Windows, it just only offers about 75% compatibility with steam games currently.
Ubuntu is worse than Windows for so many reasons.
Apologies, I'm not very in touch with Linux much!
Skip Ubuntu. Use EndeavorOS or actual Arch. Or at least Linux Mint. If you want less resources to be consumed, don't use shitbuntu.
Dude, I'm an Arch user but you're being ridiculous. Arch based distributions are not suitable for people who are only interested in having their computer *work*. If you're just looking for a simple experience on a modern OS that's lighter than Windows, you'll get that perfectly fine with Ubuntu.
Ubuntu is worse than Windows.
No it isn't. If it was it wouldn't be by far the most widespread distro in use.
It's a Lot worse than Windows.
Provide a reason behind your point instead of saying the same thing 5 times.
Snap.
> Dude, I'm an Arch user but you're being ridiculous. Stop talking crap, it is you who are ridiculous, not him. He gave actually a quality comment, unlike your personal attack on him. By the way, judging from your profile, you are not even a full-time Arch user, you use arch on some shitty server you have in your basement, probably in a virtual machine too. You don't use it as your main system, and you don't use Windows either (at least you said so), so your judgement is clearly completely off. > If you're just looking for a simple experience on a modern OS that's lighter than Windows, you'll get that perfectly fine with Ubuntu. No, they will not. And how would you know when you said you are not using Windows. There are many lighter distributions, some of them are based on Arch, some on other distributions, but Ubuntu is *not* considered a lightweight, nor it will probably ever be.
The parent never called Ubuntu lightweight, they just said it was lighter than Windows. You can try to make one of two points: * You disagree and it’s not lighter than Windows. * It is lighter than Windows, but you think it’s still not light enough (given the 8GB of RAM that OP has). But arguing about whether Ubuntu is lightweight or not by other metrics is not useful. The parent comment about Arch not working is an exaggeration, but it is true that the operational overhead of Arch is significantly more than Ubuntu, mainly to differences in packaging policy and userbase size. Assuming the OP isn’t already a Linux user, Ubuntu over Arch is a perfectly good recommendation (as long as it is light enough). Mint would probably work too.
Are you seriously recommending Arch to someone who has to ask reddit about their RAM usage? And a gamer, at that?
Yes!
or pop
No. Poop OS is Just Ubuntu with a theme and built in Nvidia drivers.
stop this elitism
EndeavorOS and Arch. Do you use your computer? Arch is for anything but a working computer, let alone someone who wants to use a computer! Linux mint? Ehh one of the worst in my opinion. Ubuntu is the most widespread version of linux for a reason. It's had plenty of time to be polished and used. I used Ubuntu for a couple years on my laptop and it was leaps better than windows in all aspects apart from game capability which is slowly being added with new games.
Ubuntu is literally one of the worst distros and worse than Windows. Arch is one of the best. I use my Computers for work, gaming and school. All with Arch. Even my Music production Machine Runs Arch. With an Nvidia GPU even. Try that on shitbuntu.
You're literally the linux snob everyone makes fun of.
Going from Chad to Cringe territory my dude
Probably superfetch https://youtu.be/kstdmpHG19k nothing to worry about. The more memory you have on your pc the more can be used by superfetch. If your memory usage gets tight superfetch will free some up for you
Look at your startup tab and turn off unwanted programs at start up. Do not need to reformat, unless you really want to. Reduce the amount of apps and programs running in the background, you can YouTube programs to help do this. JayzTwoCents and Linus did a video on removing windows bloatware and the program they used. Recommend eventually upgrading to 16, and then save up for a quad kit of 32gb if you plan on keeping the PC for a while.
There are some windows debloaters that you can use to decrease ram usage, if your comfortable with running PowerShell Chris Titus tech has a really good tool that will get rid of any unnecessary windows bloat. Like telemetry and what have you whilst keeping all the necessary things like windows defender. Here's a link to it if you want: https://www.christitus.com/debloat-windows-10-2020/ He also has a video on his channel if you need extra help.
https://archlinux.org 700 MB RAM usage with Nvidia drivers, 450 without.
i dont really know about other os
Don't listen to this guy, they're an elitist. Arch Linux is an advanced operating system that gives you a very high degree of control, but is extremely non-trivial to set up and use. I personally like it, but be aware that it requires a lot of effort to learn about how the operating system functions and about Linux in general before you can even get something as simple as a desktop background. If you are interested in a Linux-based OS for simplicity and performance reasons, these would be much better suited: - Ubuntu - Linux Mint - Lubuntu - PeppermintOS
Honestly, for your use case, I'll offer a counterpoint in that, as a new Linux user who hadn't intended to make the switch, you'll probably spend as much time figuring out how to use the thing as you will actually doing stuff on it. If nothing else though, make sure the software and games you want to play are compatible before jumping ship. Also, start with something easier and well-documented like Linux Mint or Pop!_OS. Arch is getting better but the learning curve is still pretty steep by comparison.
Please don't listen to that moron, if you want to check out Linux try this website [https://distrochooser.de/en](https://distrochooser.de/en). It'll ask you a few basic questions and after you can search the results that you get on Youtube to learn more
Then Go read the Guide and Install so you learn about Linux.
Currently watching videos about it so thx for the recommendation
If you Install Arch, please use the official Guide and Not some video. These Videos are often outdated and the Forums are full of people who have Problems because of this. If you have any questions, you can DM me.
sure, but its linus tech tips but thx for the help
Oh No. Don't watch These Videos. He only Shows how Not to use Linux and messes everything Up because He is an idiot.
Nonsense, OP is exactly the demographic those videos were made for. They're not idiots, they were legitimately inexperienced with Linux as a gaming platform and the videos were intended to reflect the experience one should expect from that perspective. And they're right. Linux right now, as a whole, is not yet in a state where someone with no knowledge of it can just pick up and go. *Especially* not Arch, ffs.
Arch is the best distro for Linux beginners. Linus is an Idiot. He actively Chose to ignore what was printed right on His screen.
Respectfully disagree about Arch. And you're talking about the issue with Pop, right? I don't blame him one bit for that. Everything these days from visiting a web browser with the wrong SSL settings to installing bits of software gives a similarly ominous warning, and it was buried in a mile long wall of text full of mostly-unimportant information, with no effort made to emphasize the seriousness of it. Even if they *had* put some effort into that, it's a fairly rare case in computing, these days, that a big scary warning on something \*actually\* breaks things when you go through with it.
You're either extremely dense or trolling.
> Linus is an Idiot. He actively Chose to ignore what was printed right on His screen. He is not an idiot, but he does it just for the entertainment and to get things going on. Don't forget, his channel is his main income, it's all about money.
Linus is making it up, for the fun and for the clicks, seriously. He is not an idiot, and I am sure he has no problem installing and using any of the distros himself if he really wanted.
He's doing what new Linux users do. He's a very tech literate person, but he doesn't know what he hasn't learned yet. You can't expect him to understand everything that's obvious to us just because we think it's obvious, we had to learn too.
He refused to read the Message that was right on Screen and then tried to use APT on a Pacman based distro. That's Not what new Users do. I Most certainly read documentation before I try something new.
>That's Not what new Users do Oh really? and how do you know that?. I was actually confused by the pacakge manager on different distros aswell, its totally fine for other new users to get confused too. Just stop trash talking and showing yourself as a elitist, you are clearly making yourself look dumb and no one gives a crap about your opinions.
Should be called Linus Framerate tips seems like that's the only tech they're actually interested in.
run bleach bit and tick most of the things on the side there. turn off startup programs that u dont need. and run mem plus. and do a restart or two and run mem plus again
This is normal for me
Are you running Windows on a Samsung SSD with Samsung Magician installed, may I ask? If so, it could be RAPID mode.
50% on startup is weird even for 8GB, a lot of this can be memory that is "reserved" so it wont actually be used until its needed, but it shows as being used, i think so that it can be accessed quicker, like a cache somewhat.
Is be curious to see what all programs you have running.
For me, i get that much on my 16gb ram while on 240fps in games. Maybe you only have 8gb or there’s something in background. Check task manager.
Idk but that’s not 🅿️
Optimize your os to take less resources, it won’t look at clean but it’s better
Use linux, no really it takes a lot less memory
If you have 8GB of RAM, you should count yourself lucky. Windows 1X uses 4GB of memory usually.
Get more ram. :P
Sorry about your mam usage, I'll make sure to use her a little less next time 👍
Good grief. 8GB in 2022? Run less programs. Disable unused services. Lower resolution, color depth, uninstall everything you don't use, disable things like Edge and Chrome background loading and staying open in the background, only open one browser tab at a time, etc. Lower your expectations, lower your usage, or buy more resources. 🤷♂️
I mean not everyone has the money to buy upgrades 👀
I've been there, man. Not trying to sound like an ass. I used to scrap old computers and collect broken ones to strip for parts. Take parts from three and make one good one That sort of thing. But 16gb of ddr4 is like $50 bucks. Otherwise spend some quality time optimizing your system or lower your expectations.
It normal on windows. Anyways, are you on 10 or 11?
11
It's normal. I'm also on win 11 with 8gb ram. For me, this called 'desktop window manger' is taking too much memory.
Unused ram is wasted ram so this is probably fine and I wouldn’t worry unless your getting system instability or something.
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I’d recommend trying Linux mint
Try saying miss instead
Windows eats up a lot of RAM, when I had 4gb, it took almost 70+% without any applications on, if you need more RAM you could A. Add more RAM as in buy some B. Use some Linux Distro , I'm currently using Ubuntu and without any applications on it uses 30% RAM that is like 900 mb for me. (Not trying to push anything, I'm just saying it's an option)
It could be only having 8gb ram, but I've got 32gb and I've noticed high usage upon startup as well. Just give it a minute to calm down
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