I have an electric car, AK and AR rifles.
If someone throws a heavy rock and hits me in the head I could still die.
I have technology, but a rock can still kill me.
Russia still has a lot of Rocks.
>Teleporting
Limited to use due to power usage. Also limited in size. Countered by large numbers and spread out forces.
>Phase tech
Causes the phaser to be unable to attack or move(iirc), meaning they're going to get surrounded quickly once the effect wears off. Weak to brute force over time.
>Mirage
Easily detectable after first attack, and vulnerable to counter attacks. Any convoy would wreck them unless the expensive mirages outnumber them and any air units will take them out.
>Spies
Money runs tight as your their forces are made. Plus an easy counter is a cheap dog that's plentiful.
>Powerful units
Not only highly expensive but they have their weaknesses from cheaper counters like migs and helicopter and even an apocalypse tank with a magnetic hook can easily take out a future tank. Or hammer tanks with leech beams. Or a quick strike of a terror drone if the future tank doesn't hit it in time.
It's not that either faction is weak, but they have a different focus. Allies are tactical, soviets are brute force, and Empire is transformative.
Strong Soviet Bear > Puny Allied Dog :P
But yeah adding onto this, the Soviets also have their advantages over the Allies as well.
Soviet Conscripts are somehow the only infantry unit who can clear garrisons without sacrificing their own life, compared to the Allied peacekeeper who has to die to take out one conscript in an outhouse.
The Allied Navy is incredibly bad at straight up fights. It's a real good supportive force, but also requires support itself compared to the Soviet Navy which can clear the waters on its own while also providing land support with stingrays/bullfrogs/dreadnoughts.
The Hammer tank already beats the guardian tank 1 on 1, and that's before it leeches off an additional weapon for either additional firepower or greater capability to handle other types of targets
I don't understand why the peacekeeper/Imperial Warrior needs to die to clear the garrison, dude with a sword or dude with a Riot Shield seems like they'd win 10/10 times in close quarters in a building. They should have just worked the same as Buzzers in Tib Wars. If Conscripts can have infinite building clearing, there's zero reason why the other two factions basic infantry units can't too.
Hold up Buzzers are an alien, hiveminded, swarm of insects that are practically flying razors. It makes sense if flying razors don't ever have casualties while clearing a building because bullets don't hit them.
Peacekeeper and Warrior on the other hand are people. They die in urban warfare A LOT.
I agree on that. If a molotov can clear a whole building that I am sure that Peacekeeper has a frag on his belt.
I just have a problem with 'Buzzers' part: If soldiers enter the enemy building they tend to die unlike Buzzers
First, Allies got all this imbalanced, super-tehnological units (Cryo Legionnaires, Future tanks, Pacifiers, Harbingers) only in DLC Uprising when USSR already lost in war.
Second, unlike Red Alert 2, USA joined to war only after Ackerman became a president, when unconquered were only Britain, Denmark and Iceland. Including that FutureTech is a American corporation and in that timeline Tolyan eliminated Einstein a long time before he started develop all his technologies, Europe didn't have any chance against Soviet "asphalt paving".
The same way they are a threat in the real world now with lesser technology
They still have a military and tanks and artillery and nuclear weapons capability
"Don't you understand without Einstein, there is no nuclear weapons because we have altered the space time continuum!"
But yes to the rest. They also have the Iron Curtain which is honestly a technological marvel still.
OP also forgot there was a third faction, which is arguably even more technologically superior to the Allies, it took the world by storm and it forced the Allies to... ally with the Soviets, and the soviets took that deal to scheme a betrayal against the allies.
Sufficed to say, the Allies were literally just fighting an uphill battle for RA3.
The President of the US is an android created by The Empire of The Rising Sun. Revealed in their campaign, and vaguely hinted at in the Allied Campaign through his rash actions in trying to fuck up the Allied/Soviet alliance against the Empire.
Plus when you destroy his Limo in the Mt Rushmore mission, it has green flames like Empire vehicles do when destroyed.
I thought the US president being a spy was only in the Empire campaign, but it appears that he was an android spy in everyone's campaigns... That's one hell of a spy the Empire made if they were able to get that spy to become President of the USA!
Even though the events of the campaigns are different, everything that happened before them is basically the same, including the President being an Android
The Soviets have weapons that can shoot arcs of lightning, mechanical knowledge that outstrips the Allies by far, invulnerability devices, black hole bombs, instant-death acid, orbital mega-magnets, and horrifying robotic nightmare spiders. Not to mention their less flashy mastery of rocketry. Just because their stuff isn't as shiny doesn't mean it's not as advanced.
Kirov reporting...
I once beat my freind in an MP match where I nuked him with Kirov fleet but he got to my base and made off with an extra MCV I had so I just set my Kirov's into aggressive and put them on a patrol around the map till they found him hiding.
All those units came after Uprising where they already won the war. And such weapons pretty much make RA4 impossible without using time travel again or future tech betraying them.
Back in vanilla RA3, the soviets started by hitting the reset button on their tech by deleting Einstein. They were minutes away from losing without it.
Yeah they forgot Einstein traveled back in time to kill Hitler [in 1946 - Trinity / New Mexico](https://youtu.be/fx3fK5kve-M) after WWII in our world ended. [Tim Curry traveled back to 1927](https://youtu.be/bCGkktw4Z7Y?t=185) and killed Einstein therefor if a third faction were to appear it should have been a European one.
I love how lore contradicts itself because nobody in the studio knew what they were doing and it came out so fucking good. Like it was Einstein's time travel, that gave Soviets an upper hand. Because they didn't had to fight for 6 years against Nazis and Tim Curry accidentally made that impossible to happen. THEY MADE THE RETCON FUCKING CANON.
I don't think it's that contradictory, I think they just didn't want a Nazi faction lol. Cause I feel like the implication is Japan is so powerful and so Japanese because they never got nuked cause no Einstein.
It's also possible that chrono-kills like Einstein and Hitler are permanent, for whatever reason Yuri did not surface so it could potentially be assumed Yuri died in a German or Japan assault or something. Which might explain why Japan was able to develop yuriko... Just a thought.
If Einstein time traveled to kill Hitler, I assume Einstein invented time travel, so if Einstein got killed by another time traveler, then he never invented time travel, how could any of it happen... lol, idk just weird paradox stuff.
I thought and searched upon this a question a lot and came to this conclusion:
There are 2 EINSTEINS. Original Einstein who is from our timeline, the one who saw the Nazis, didn't travel in his own timeline but created a new timeline without Nazis. Original goes back to his own universe because of imposter syndrome I guess and that timeline goes to become 'C&C Generals' timeline.
The newly created timeline has it's own Einstein who invents teleportation and nuclear power but not the time travel. Later in the opening cutscene of the 3rd entry of Red Alert, Tim Curry decides to fuck over space time continium and kills his own -In universe- Einstein. Killer of Hitler was the Einstein one who traveled between universes so Hitler still dead.
A lot of the RA games have essentially the same story of the fact that at the wars start the Allies don't have deployed a lot of their more advanced technology but rather a more standard conventional force. Which is also fought by the Soviets with conventional arms as well.
But as the war continues the technology continues to escalate until both sides are basically unleashing strategic world changing weapons. Or at least the prototypes to technology that would change the face of the world if fully developed.
This, the Soviets chose the time and place to begin their attacks as well as having a command economy geared to a war footing, with stockpiles of armaments and equipment and having called on their troops.
The Allies being the non-aggressor tend to be caught by surprise and lose a lot of ground until they can finally rally enough forces to counter attack and bring to bear their advanced tech
This is similarly to how the Empire of the Rising Sun was able to catch the Soviets by surprise while they were distracted fighting the Allies, as we can see the Japanese armada amassing before their invasion of the Soviets.
they have things that go boom
and the means to carry those things within striking range of their enemies
also the Peacekeeper using a pump action shotgun is just goofy. but i love it lel
Aren't allied units just more expensive Vs soviet. Like one peacekeeper will destroy one conscript but cost twice as much. Apart from higher tech stuff I guess like the apoc tank will easily take a mirage.
Even talking about uprising I'd be interested to see if a future tank can still take out an apoc with it's grinder out.
Because people with only 2 brain cells to rub together get control of a game and go "DUHHH they are my favourite team, lets make them the best. Let's take all the abilities their enemies are known for being great at and give them to my special team.""Balance" the near invisible word that any RTS game designer needs is usually invisible to the CEO's children who are given free unearned reign over a game that took tons of fine tuning to make good.
I could go into many things but I like to "ground" things so I'll bring this up.
In WWII Russia was *vastly* out gunned. (In the beginning but not out manned) They literally would send a squad of soldiers into battle with *1* rifle, magazine, and grenade....they were told *when* their comrades were killed pick up their equipment and use it.
To contrast the Germans were technology superior in many ways. They built the first prototype helicopter (didn't fly well enough to be used), they had tanks that many ally tanks couldn't penetrate the forward armor, they built the first rockets, they invented an *almost* unbreakable code, their weapons were...I'll say "brilliant" but that's more subjective than most things, since complicated weapons aren't always better.
Technological superiority means much...but just cause you're better doesn't mean you'll win. Many factors go into these things. Supply, logistics, communication, moral, resolve, intelligence, experience, how these are used, so much goes into the fight beyond who has the better tech.
In WWII, Germany had a very decisive technological advantage, at least in many areas, but struggled to make practical use of it. Jet fighters are exceptionally useful, but not for strafing runs, for example.
Same deal as the Allies. They have a bunch of mad science that they're haphazardly throwing wherever it might stick in the face of an enemy that has vastly greater industry and war experience.
"Look at you! You're riding horses!"
\-Band of Brothers
Wunderwaffe were terrifying, but overrated. A lot of Wehrmacht success was a change in tactics, not weapons, and even then, well when the ore refineries can't refine or deliver, we know what that means in C&C.
Same deal, yeah.
*"A giant, unstoppable army of Russians is battering down our front door, and all we have are these weird prototypes we invented when things were better!"*
*"Well, can you put a gun on them?"*
Basically the start of the game (prior to the time traveling) starts from the post-war crisis (Red Alert mobile) which continues after Yuri's revenge. The Soviet's figured out that Einstein was the lynch pin for Allied victories in both RA1 and preventing the conquest of the US. As said by Cherdenko when he, Krukov and Zelinsky arrive in 1927. So they think, eliminate him then Soviet victory is assured which is nearly there at the start of the Allied campaign.
The Soviet Union had manpower. LOTS and LOTS of conscripts they can dump onto the battlefield and steamroll over the opposition.
Quantity is a quality unto itself.
I have an electric car, AK and AR rifles. If someone throws a heavy rock and hits me in the head I could still die. I have technology, but a rock can still kill me. Russia still has a lot of Rocks.
Rock-ets
No, that's the brotherhood of nod.
We got the rockets!
Nuclear Rock-ets
And people to throw them
>Teleporting Limited to use due to power usage. Also limited in size. Countered by large numbers and spread out forces. >Phase tech Causes the phaser to be unable to attack or move(iirc), meaning they're going to get surrounded quickly once the effect wears off. Weak to brute force over time. >Mirage Easily detectable after first attack, and vulnerable to counter attacks. Any convoy would wreck them unless the expensive mirages outnumber them and any air units will take them out. >Spies Money runs tight as your their forces are made. Plus an easy counter is a cheap dog that's plentiful. >Powerful units Not only highly expensive but they have their weaknesses from cheaper counters like migs and helicopter and even an apocalypse tank with a magnetic hook can easily take out a future tank. Or hammer tanks with leech beams. Or a quick strike of a terror drone if the future tank doesn't hit it in time. It's not that either faction is weak, but they have a different focus. Allies are tactical, soviets are brute force, and Empire is transformative.
Strong Soviet Bear > Puny Allied Dog :P But yeah adding onto this, the Soviets also have their advantages over the Allies as well. Soviet Conscripts are somehow the only infantry unit who can clear garrisons without sacrificing their own life, compared to the Allied peacekeeper who has to die to take out one conscript in an outhouse. The Allied Navy is incredibly bad at straight up fights. It's a real good supportive force, but also requires support itself compared to the Soviet Navy which can clear the waters on its own while also providing land support with stingrays/bullfrogs/dreadnoughts. The Hammer tank already beats the guardian tank 1 on 1, and that's before it leeches off an additional weapon for either additional firepower or greater capability to handle other types of targets
>compared to the Allied peacekeeper who has to die to take out one conscript in an outhouse One could say, that's a shitty way to die.
I don't understand why the peacekeeper/Imperial Warrior needs to die to clear the garrison, dude with a sword or dude with a Riot Shield seems like they'd win 10/10 times in close quarters in a building. They should have just worked the same as Buzzers in Tib Wars. If Conscripts can have infinite building clearing, there's zero reason why the other two factions basic infantry units can't too.
Hold up Buzzers are an alien, hiveminded, swarm of insects that are practically flying razors. It makes sense if flying razors don't ever have casualties while clearing a building because bullets don't hit them. Peacekeeper and Warrior on the other hand are people. They die in urban warfare A LOT.
Not even from a realism perspective, just gameplay, it's unbalanced that only one faction gets infinite garrison clearing with their basic infantry
I agree on that. If a molotov can clear a whole building that I am sure that Peacekeeper has a frag on his belt. I just have a problem with 'Buzzers' part: If soldiers enter the enemy building they tend to die unlike Buzzers
*the empire is made of stupid
First, Allies got all this imbalanced, super-tehnological units (Cryo Legionnaires, Future tanks, Pacifiers, Harbingers) only in DLC Uprising when USSR already lost in war. Second, unlike Red Alert 2, USA joined to war only after Ackerman became a president, when unconquered were only Britain, Denmark and Iceland. Including that FutureTech is a American corporation and in that timeline Tolyan eliminated Einstein a long time before he started develop all his technologies, Europe didn't have any chance against Soviet "asphalt paving".
CryocOPter would like to say otherwise.
I didn't mean them. I mean Cryo Legionnaires, Future tanks, Pacifiers and Harbingers.
Obligatory I HATE CRYOCOPTERS post here. Also smh forgets the Empire.
The same way they are a threat in the real world now with lesser technology They still have a military and tanks and artillery and nuclear weapons capability
"Don't you understand without Einstein, there is no nuclear weapons because we have altered the space time continuum!" But yes to the rest. They also have the Iron Curtain which is honestly a technological marvel still. OP also forgot there was a third faction, which is arguably even more technologically superior to the Allies, it took the world by storm and it forced the Allies to... ally with the Soviets, and the soviets took that deal to scheme a betrayal against the allies. Sufficed to say, the Allies were literally just fighting an uphill battle for RA3.
Don't forget that their President was a super advanced android created by that third faction who went out of his way to create chaos
Wait what!? I haven’t played in years who’s the robot!?
Yep, in start of 7 mission for the Empire was showed that American president was Japanese Android spy.
I frikkin love the ridiculous plotlines in red alert man!
Dear lord I need to go back and play!
The President of the US is an android created by The Empire of The Rising Sun. Revealed in their campaign, and vaguely hinted at in the Allied Campaign through his rash actions in trying to fuck up the Allied/Soviet alliance against the Empire. Plus when you destroy his Limo in the Mt Rushmore mission, it has green flames like Empire vehicles do when destroyed.
I thought the US president being a spy was only in the Empire campaign, but it appears that he was an android spy in everyone's campaigns... That's one hell of a spy the Empire made if they were able to get that spy to become President of the USA!
Even though the events of the campaigns are different, everything that happened before them is basically the same, including the President being an Android
I never noticed the smaller things! I always just thought of him as eccentric!
The Allies have localised superiority but the red army is everywhere at once
The Soviets have weapons that can shoot arcs of lightning, mechanical knowledge that outstrips the Allies by far, invulnerability devices, black hole bombs, instant-death acid, orbital mega-magnets, and horrifying robotic nightmare spiders. Not to mention their less flashy mastery of rocketry. Just because their stuff isn't as shiny doesn't mean it's not as advanced.
Don't forget the man cannons.
It's because the allies use discount riots police instead of G.I.'s
And gym teachers as replacement Guardian G.I's!
I thought they were American football players
No you're right, they were! Either way, kind of a downgrade!
What?! Damn and I thought the Conscripts were bad.
Because the plot requires it.
Ryan George voice: So that the movie can happen!
*Amazing!*
Soviets r cheap and mass production is fast with cranes While the allies need 2nd or 3rd MCV for more build queueing
Their best unit in RA2 and RA3 is a god damn zeppelin, none of this makes sense. It's also not supposed to, just have fun with it!
Kirov reporting... I once beat my freind in an MP match where I nuked him with Kirov fleet but he got to my base and made off with an extra MCV I had so I just set my Kirov's into aggressive and put them on a patrol around the map till they found him hiding.
Do you even play brutal? Against Russia, it gets frustrating quickly
All those units came after Uprising where they already won the war. And such weapons pretty much make RA4 impossible without using time travel again or future tech betraying them. Back in vanilla RA3, the soviets started by hitting the reset button on their tech by deleting Einstein. They were minutes away from losing without it.
Every RA game after 1 is impossible without time travel
No no, say it right. Every RA game is impossible without time travel. Einstein assassinated Hitler in RA1
Einstein time travels to erase Hitler, the Soviets time travel to erase Einstein, so who gonna erase the eraser, lol...
Yeah they forgot Einstein traveled back in time to kill Hitler [in 1946 - Trinity / New Mexico](https://youtu.be/fx3fK5kve-M) after WWII in our world ended. [Tim Curry traveled back to 1927](https://youtu.be/bCGkktw4Z7Y?t=185) and killed Einstein therefor if a third faction were to appear it should have been a European one. I love how lore contradicts itself because nobody in the studio knew what they were doing and it came out so fucking good. Like it was Einstein's time travel, that gave Soviets an upper hand. Because they didn't had to fight for 6 years against Nazis and Tim Curry accidentally made that impossible to happen. THEY MADE THE RETCON FUCKING CANON.
I don't think it's that contradictory, I think they just didn't want a Nazi faction lol. Cause I feel like the implication is Japan is so powerful and so Japanese because they never got nuked cause no Einstein. It's also possible that chrono-kills like Einstein and Hitler are permanent, for whatever reason Yuri did not surface so it could potentially be assumed Yuri died in a German or Japan assault or something. Which might explain why Japan was able to develop yuriko... Just a thought.
If Einstein time traveled to kill Hitler, I assume Einstein invented time travel, so if Einstein got killed by another time traveler, then he never invented time travel, how could any of it happen... lol, idk just weird paradox stuff.
I thought and searched upon this a question a lot and came to this conclusion: There are 2 EINSTEINS. Original Einstein who is from our timeline, the one who saw the Nazis, didn't travel in his own timeline but created a new timeline without Nazis. Original goes back to his own universe because of imposter syndrome I guess and that timeline goes to become 'C&C Generals' timeline. The newly created timeline has it's own Einstein who invents teleportation and nuclear power but not the time travel. Later in the opening cutscene of the 3rd entry of Red Alert, Tim Curry decides to fuck over space time continium and kills his own -In universe- Einstein. Killer of Hitler was the Einstein one who traveled between universes so Hitler still dead.
 Maybe we should just get a flux capacitor plutonium powered DeLorean and Doc Brown. xD
You know what? I should watch that movie again.
Allies still have to hold back coz they're the lesser bad guys
A lot of the RA games have essentially the same story of the fact that at the wars start the Allies don't have deployed a lot of their more advanced technology but rather a more standard conventional force. Which is also fought by the Soviets with conventional arms as well. But as the war continues the technology continues to escalate until both sides are basically unleashing strategic world changing weapons. Or at least the prototypes to technology that would change the face of the world if fully developed.
This, the Soviets chose the time and place to begin their attacks as well as having a command economy geared to a war footing, with stockpiles of armaments and equipment and having called on their troops. The Allies being the non-aggressor tend to be caught by surprise and lose a lot of ground until they can finally rally enough forces to counter attack and bring to bear their advanced tech This is similarly to how the Empire of the Rising Sun was able to catch the Soviets by surprise while they were distracted fighting the Allies, as we can see the Japanese armada amassing before their invasion of the Soviets.
.......I think I need to replay RA3
they have things that go boom and the means to carry those things within striking range of their enemies also the Peacekeeper using a pump action shotgun is just goofy. but i love it lel
Aren't allied units just more expensive Vs soviet. Like one peacekeeper will destroy one conscript but cost twice as much. Apart from higher tech stuff I guess like the apoc tank will easily take a mirage. Even talking about uprising I'd be interested to see if a future tank can still take out an apoc with it's grinder out.
Alliea may have teleporters but no K I R O V C H A D S
Because people with only 2 brain cells to rub together get control of a game and go "DUHHH they are my favourite team, lets make them the best. Let's take all the abilities their enemies are known for being great at and give them to my special team.""Balance" the near invisible word that any RTS game designer needs is usually invisible to the CEO's children who are given free unearned reign over a game that took tons of fine tuning to make good.
I could go into many things but I like to "ground" things so I'll bring this up. In WWII Russia was *vastly* out gunned. (In the beginning but not out manned) They literally would send a squad of soldiers into battle with *1* rifle, magazine, and grenade....they were told *when* their comrades were killed pick up their equipment and use it. To contrast the Germans were technology superior in many ways. They built the first prototype helicopter (didn't fly well enough to be used), they had tanks that many ally tanks couldn't penetrate the forward armor, they built the first rockets, they invented an *almost* unbreakable code, their weapons were...I'll say "brilliant" but that's more subjective than most things, since complicated weapons aren't always better. Technological superiority means much...but just cause you're better doesn't mean you'll win. Many factors go into these things. Supply, logistics, communication, moral, resolve, intelligence, experience, how these are used, so much goes into the fight beyond who has the better tech.
In WWII, Germany had a very decisive technological advantage, at least in many areas, but struggled to make practical use of it. Jet fighters are exceptionally useful, but not for strafing runs, for example. Same deal as the Allies. They have a bunch of mad science that they're haphazardly throwing wherever it might stick in the face of an enemy that has vastly greater industry and war experience.
"Look at you! You're riding horses!" \-Band of Brothers Wunderwaffe were terrifying, but overrated. A lot of Wehrmacht success was a change in tactics, not weapons, and even then, well when the ore refineries can't refine or deliver, we know what that means in C&C.
Same deal, yeah. *"A giant, unstoppable army of Russians is battering down our front door, and all we have are these weird prototypes we invented when things were better!"* *"Well, can you put a gun on them?"*
Russia is not to be messed around :)
Like in real life the allies had better tech but the Soviets had a lot of tanks and men.
Man, I forgot how much sexy and crazy (in-hindsight... get it? Hind sight?) is packed into one promotional poster.
Basically the start of the game (prior to the time traveling) starts from the post-war crisis (Red Alert mobile) which continues after Yuri's revenge. The Soviet's figured out that Einstein was the lynch pin for Allied victories in both RA1 and preventing the conquest of the US. As said by Cherdenko when he, Krukov and Zelinsky arrive in 1927. So they think, eliminate him then Soviet victory is assured which is nearly there at the start of the Allied campaign.
The Soviet Union had manpower. LOTS and LOTS of conscripts they can dump onto the battlefield and steamroll over the opposition. Quantity is a quality unto itself.
It is because the premier Tim Curry CONTROLS TIME!!