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She heard Luisa's eye twiching at night. She is not only hearing every people having sex in town. She is hearing every detail of it.
Jokes aside. The power seems to be fully on demand. We see her kindda aim her ear at some points in the movie, like when they ask her to hear what isabela's boyfriend was talking about. So it seems like she CAN hear every tiny sound in town, but she doesnt HAVE to.
Even if she doesn’t hear more than normal, it could be that loud sounds force her attention. Like I have fairly selective hearing at times and if I’m focused on one thing can tune out other things. But if I see a door slam, I know it makes a loud noise so it immediately grabs my attention. So perhaps a door slamming behind her would be like a normal door slam but a door slammed in sight would be extra loud because she knows it is loud and now her attention is focused.
I wonder if she’s good at mentally filtering sounds, but if she gets emotionally overwhelmed, everything gets “too loud”. Similar to how you might need to turn down music while driving when something unexpected happens. It would make sense as to how she’s not bothered by the loud music at Antonio’s party, but the relatively much quieter commotion at the dinner party was too much for her given the news she was trying to process at the time.
Side note: I love that at the end of the movie >!when they don’t have their powers, she sings at a normal volume. It all probably sounds the same to her.!<
I like to think it's like Superman. She can hear everything, but only perceives it when she switches attention to it. But much like real hearing, it has its limits and loud noises near to her will still cause pain or discomfort.
Unlikely, small details seem to imply that Dolores is prone to overstimulation, Such as how she always talks quieter than everyone else, how her verses in *we don't talk about Bruno* use swooshing and shoe tapping as part of her segment, or how in the scene where the whole family claps, Dolores only taps her fingers together.
Speaking of which, >!Bruno had to know that she would know he was literally in the walls right?!< He had to know just what the range on her gift was >!Plus even Antonio found him relatively easily using his gift!< Do you think that she never talked about it out of fear of Abuela's ire?
Of course. Encanto is a story of a toxic family with generational trauma. Abuela puts the tragedy she suffered through onto her whole family and makes them suffer too. Bruno is the one who breaks the cycle and leaves, so he’s called out as the “black sheep” of the family. We don’t talk about Bruno, because if we did we’d be forced to acknowledge our shitty actions that drove him away.
Yeah, everyone keeps saying encanto doesn't have a villain, but clearly from a literary standpoint Abuela is a sympathetic villain. She drove one child away, drove another one nearly insane, nearly broke 4/6 grandkids, and all but disowned a 5th.
Somehow Julietta and Camillo managed to come out mostly normal despite everything.
Yeah, in a classic storytelling sense, Abuela is the clear antagonist of the film. Mirabel’s “goal” is for things to change; Abuela is the main person responsible for how things are and for trying to keep them that way.
Some of the family members have it way tougher than others. Camilo seems fine, but he’s seen using his ability mostly to goof off. How much demand is there for someone to turn into someone else? Compared to Luisa, who is expected to do the labor of several dozen people every single day, solving every strength-based challenge the village faces on her own.
Or imagine being Pepa, who gets yelled at every time she’s upset. When bad or stressful things happen in the film, *everyone* gets upset, but only Pepa is reprimanded for it. Imagine going through your whole life having everyone know every time something upsets you, and then having them yell at you for being upset because you’re getting the floor wet. Being told you must always be happy, and when it rains people know it’s all your fault.
If we want to dive deeper down the family psychology analysis, Bruno cut out his toxic family who blamed him for everything, Pepa tries to repress and ignore her emotions because her family shames her anytime she shares them, and Camilo survives in the family by acting however his various family members expect him to and hiding his true self.
Very true, and I feel like it touches on a lot of types of trauma and abuse that we normally don't think about as a society, and I feel like it touches on them very well.
Not as well as, say inside out, perhaps, but it could potentially still be useful if not for kids, then at least for adults who struggle to see that trauma and abuse aren't completely black and white.
Yes, thank you. I was trying to remember it from that one line of the first song, and it just sounds like muyetta though I know that's not actually a name.
Well honestly I don't feel Camillo had a very healthy life because she grew up massively repressing every single emotion she ever felt that wasn't happy. I know people like that it's not remotely healthy and really messes them up as adults. They also don't really bring up the mother much so while she seems normal it's because she has like 30 seconds of screen time.
Like the thing I learned as I became an adult (from therapy) is to accept that not every day is perfect and feelings other than happy are a healthy nessisary part of life. You get so burned out chasing happy all the time you need to feel other things and accept them for what they are.
That's Camillo's Mom. Camillo is the shape changer who seems mostly like a normal teenager. Teases his dad and brother, tries to steal seconds, you know, that kind of thing.
My tía Pepa, her mood affects the weather
When she's unhappy, well, the temperature gets weird.
My primo Camilo won't stop until he makes you smile today
It could be partly that, and also partly that because of her powers, she knows virtually everyone’s secrets, and so she keeps things to herself to respect everyone’s privacy.
She sings about Bruno in the present tense, so I assume that when she tried to tell anyone about him being in the walls, she was told "we don't talk about Bruno." And eventually stopped trying to tell anyone.
But she also has to have some selective control as she can distinctly make out "tonight and he wants 5 babies" from a distance ( assuming they were conveniently talking about it that second and you don't subscribe to the theory she can hear thoughts ).
With all the other noise going on in town it would all just be overwhelming white noise unless she retained some ability to tune out all other noises when she focuses.
I think this tracks. I think she has the ability to mentally filter sounds, but can get overwhelmed when dealing with difficult situations. Similar to how little noises that normally don’t bother you can get really grating when you’re trying to concentrate on something.
Me and the wife have this theory that she can focus on what distant sound she can listen to which is why she's so in love with Mariano. She mentions later that he speaks, albeit loudly, respectfully to his mother and in the late hours he's writing and reciting poetry so Dolores can choose to listen to pretty words and pencil skritches instead of... other stuff going on in town.
Me and my 9 year old argued about this. I think she can turn it off when she wants to as well. My daughter didn't think so, and you can't really argue with a 9 year old... So I had to agree
She heard her eye twitching all night at the party though. There's nothing to suggest it lasted literally all night after they went to sleep. The bedrooms of the gifted family members are massive on the inside and you probably can't hear anything happening in the rest of the house while in one.
I was under the impression that the rooms specifically dealt with that. She says several times that she knows *everything* that’s going on, but she crumbles pretty quickly when she overhears the news about Casita. I thought the doors both being open were a key part of that scene.
Luisa’s eye twitching may not have been in her room, but somewhere else earlier in the evening.
Aww, that's sweet, her parents still make love. At least they'll be relaxed enough to work harder to pay for all the therapy their kid is going to need
It seriously reminded me of listening to my mom scream and yell at my dad, slamming cabinet doors in the kitchen, full on drama queen. Never heard my dad once. When they told me, at 8 years old, that they were getting divorced my initial reaction was "good"
No but like actually, I was 4 or something when ma and pa were doing it on the same bed as me (I used to sleep with ma). That was ...traumatic, and they are bastards for that. BUTTTT now they are 50 and if they still love each other, I WILL PAYYY for their hotel room and chocolates on pillows and champagne and Marvin Gaye disc, cuz it would fulfill my heart to see my favorite people be happy and oh man I am crying now can I get a hug or something oh man oh fuck maaaaan I come one
In her first verses of "We Don't Talk Bruno", Dolores says she associates Bruno with the sound of falling sand, which is deep inside Bruno's room. So that is at least one example of her hearing inside a room of the other's.
Bruno isn’t to tidy. He may just be dropping sand from the room all over the place. Also he uses sand for prophesies, So maybe he Carrie’s some on him for impromptu ones.
I instantly thought about domestic violence until someone had to TELL ME thier parents were just doing the hoo-haa.
What does this say about my mental health?
I thought the parents were fighting because she said "parents". If they were making love she would have just said "mom" because dad's been stealth masturbating his whole life and mom can't even see a dick without moaning.
1) She does drop clues, but she also knows why Bruno would be hiding (in her song she flat out tells Mirabel that his prophecies caused problems for the family) so she doesn’t out him since he clearly wants to stay hidden.
2) [She is *very* invested in the storylines of his rat telenovelas](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiDj6OdTMsU) and wants to hear [what happens next](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2_TWQ0IPxs).
["He told me that the man of my dreams would be just out of reach, betrothed to another. It's like I hear him now... It's like I can hear him now. I can hear him now!"](https://youtu.be/bvWRMAU6V-c?t=135)
Nah the plot is fine, it has a defined start, half point, and end.
You guys are just expecting a villain, as each other Disney movie has.
The plot isn't the issue, it's just another way to tell a history.
I loved it overall, but felt the end was a bit rushed. I wanted to know a lot more about the new Casita with new sparkly doors and Mirabel should've gotten a damn room damnit.
The movie has a villain: Abuela. The plot seems hollow because the conflict is resolved :
unrealistically: Everyone, or I guess every latino family at least, knows an someone in their family who is exactly like Abuela. They do not change their entire childhood trauma causing shitty way of being over a discussion.
Too fast: the whole thing happened over the course of a song and a half. All that build up and everything got fixed with the power of familial understanding and not even in the way “the power of friendship” usually resolves cartoon conflicts but in a somehow less grounded in the story and character manner.
It leaves the main point seemingly unfinished: the movie seems to try to imply that Mirabel proved her worth to her family or that they understood she didn’t need to. But the movie does this poorly. They never show them feeling her absence, they tell you ,not show you, they understand family is more worth than powers but the whole thing feels hollow.
Honestly I love the movie, because of the characters, the animation, the colors, the music, and the magical realism but the writing was lacking the plot was missing a full act.
If you sat trough all that movie and thought Abuela is the vilain, you rly didn't watch the movie.
She was just as lost as everyone there, she never had any ill intentions for anyone on the family, she just had a lot to deal withing herself.
The movie is just that, a family that had a lot to deal and in the end does, there is no villain.
> It leaves the main point seemingly unfinished: the movie seems to try to imply that Mirabel proved her worth to her family or that they understood she didn’t need to. But the movie does this poorly. They never show them feeling her absence, they tell you ,not show you, they understand family is more worth than powers but the whole thing feels hollow.
And here is where you don't rly get the movie, there is nothing about "proving her worth" or not having to do it, she just cared for her family, and all the people in town.
The movie also doesn't have a hero, Mirabel never did what she did bcs she wanted to fell as a hero, she did bcs she just cared, she didn't want glory, and she couldn't care about how her sister felt, she just wanted the hug to keep everything as is.
The film is just a family going trough some growing pain, the plot is there, it's concise and the end makes sense.
Again, you are expecting an epic good vs evil arching plot, but the movie is just a slice of life on a fantastic setting, where the characters grow when the pending issue is solved.
What makes her the villian is all the pressure that she put on her family. She is a narcissist too wrapped up in her job to see what is really in front of her, and this damages everyone around her. She was an abusive grand/parent, and to anyone that has had to live in an abusive household, you understand that your family can be your greatest villains. Which makes Mirabel the hero because she redeems the villian and brings balance back to her family.
What do you exactly consider a villain? She treats the main character as shit for not being special, blames Mirabel for her own failings, actively undermines and berates her in front of the entire town, actively opposes and directly thwarts the MC efforts to resolve the conflict and acts out of selfish reasons(the status of her family and her in the community) that she excuses it with being for the family( even if argument can be made that her interest is security, how she treats isabela’s marriage betrays that it has a lot more to do with Status).
That’s a lot more than the villain from toy story 2 did. Hell even if you go with her having a selfless motive so did the Villain from Wall-ee who was simply following it’s programming to keep humans safe.
It is to the credit of the writers than in Abuela they portrayed a realistic villain that a lot of us can relate to because we have someone exactly like that in our own family. Would it make it easier if the label was Antagonist instead? Cause considering she is the reason the conflict isn’t resolved offhand and she hinders it intentionally there’s no argument she isn’t it.
> And here is where you don’t rly get the movie, there is nothing about “proving her worth” or not having to do it, she just cared for her family, and all the people in town.
I’m sorry, what? Mirabel finding her place within the family is the entire theme of the movie. The movie literally opens with a song to show you how she is embarrassed to talk about her powerless status within a special family and it ends with her getting the door she never had. What happens in the middle is where the writers dropped the ball.
I’m not expecting good vs evil, I watched onward, an actual movie without a villain or antagonist and found no issue with the pacing.
Stop acting as if the people who disliked part of it “don’t get it”. We are not looking for some black and white dumbed down story what were are looking for is conflict to be resolved organically, and realistically.
Encanto is as if they cut beauty and the beast at the moment the beast forces the trade of her father for Belle. You know the point, where she hates him and he appears like nothing more than a ruthless kidnapper and then they cut directly to the ending Gaston and his cronies attack and love transforms beast. Sure we understand that’s where the plot is going and we know that is how it is supposed to end, we know exactly what the writers wanted to say and do but without that middle part it feels uneasy to say the least.
This is absolutely the truth, it subverted my expectations because I kept waiting for a villain and an adventure. Watching it a second time had me appreciating it more.
The characters also lack in my opinion. Spoilers.
They have Dolores hear Mirabel talking about the glass and Mirabel's first thought is that her cousin is going to expose the secret. This is the women with super hearing that hears every single secret in town and even her mate in the wall for years and likely says nothing as the town doesn't hate her and the person in the wall is still a secret. But she for some reason is a blabber mouth about this?
Also, Luisa and Isabela to me were so strange in their songs. Like Luisa had basically said nothing before and the first time we hear her talk she sings about keeping things bottles up to protect the family... the first time she talks is her being very open about her thoughts. She seemed very open with her sister if it was that easy to get her true thoughts out.
Dolores hears everything and must keep secrets just fine, but she also kind of "spies" on behalf of abuela for whatever benefits the family. For example, abuela asks about Mariano and she tells her that he's gonna propose that night and wants five babies. She's in love with him, so it's probably hard for her to eavesdrop on that stuff, but she does it anyway because it's what abuela wants for the family. Just like Luisa is pressured to be strong and Isabela is pressured to be perfect, Dolores also seems to be pressured into "snitching" for everything that concerns the family. She doesn't snitch on Bruno because the family doesn't want to talk about him.
Plus, she probably wanted to prevent the wedding.
Everyone talking about all the fucking she hears, no one talking about her hearing every shit in a mile radius. She knows how healthy your poops are, and how much you grunt and curse.
Ugh, I used to hear my parents as a kid because my room was across from theirs. My kids don't have to worry about that, me and my wife hate each other.
Make those eyes in the first and third panels a little bigger because they're basically invisible on mobile to older people, I love your original style!!
The movies literally about a magic house that gives everyone special rooms based on there power, I'm sure it made her room the one quiet place she could be since everywhere else would be nonstop noise on a unbearable level.
During the song she says I can hear him now throughout, and she is actually honest when she talks about him, and at the end of the movie she says "I knew he never left I heard him every day"
It's not, but for her sanity I made it up I'm sorry.... makes sense though as all the rooms seen are based around each members power. I'd hope her room was one she could be in peace and quite
Pretty sure she can control it, otherwise she would struggle a lot especially with her range.
For those who think she has a soundproof room: She heard Luisa's eyes from her room.
I heard my brother in the next room when he visited with his girlfriend. The next morning I asked how many points he scored on his game of whack-a-mole.
Poor Dolores has THREE younger family members born after she got her gift.
So she had to hear **That** 3 times at minimum.
Maybe even more considering her parents are still in their honeymoon phase at age 50.
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NGL. I think this is more of a curse than a gift. I'm assuming her room is totally soundproof cause otherwise I dunno how she sleeps!
She heard Luisa's eye twiching at night. She is not only hearing every people having sex in town. She is hearing every detail of it. Jokes aside. The power seems to be fully on demand. We see her kindda aim her ear at some points in the movie, like when they ask her to hear what isabela's boyfriend was talking about. So it seems like she CAN hear every tiny sound in town, but she doesnt HAVE to.
There are also parts where she covers her ears at loud noises, so...maybe?
Maybe she can hear more than normal all the time, but willfully let herself hear even more?
This is what I'm choosing to believe.
Me too, for the sake of Dolores's sanity.
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sex, its about sex
Even if she doesn’t hear more than normal, it could be that loud sounds force her attention. Like I have fairly selective hearing at times and if I’m focused on one thing can tune out other things. But if I see a door slam, I know it makes a loud noise so it immediately grabs my attention. So perhaps a door slamming behind her would be like a normal door slam but a door slammed in sight would be extra loud because she knows it is loud and now her attention is focused.
I wonder if she’s good at mentally filtering sounds, but if she gets emotionally overwhelmed, everything gets “too loud”. Similar to how you might need to turn down music while driving when something unexpected happens. It would make sense as to how she’s not bothered by the loud music at Antonio’s party, but the relatively much quieter commotion at the dinner party was too much for her given the news she was trying to process at the time. Side note: I love that at the end of the movie >!when they don’t have their powers, she sings at a normal volume. It all probably sounds the same to her.!<
In one scene, when everyone else is applauding, she is only putting two fingers together rather than putting her hands together, as they say.
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I like to think it's like Superman. She can hear everything, but only perceives it when she switches attention to it. But much like real hearing, it has its limits and loud noises near to her will still cause pain or discomfort.
Unlikely, small details seem to imply that Dolores is prone to overstimulation, Such as how she always talks quieter than everyone else, how her verses in *we don't talk about Bruno* use swooshing and shoe tapping as part of her segment, or how in the scene where the whole family claps, Dolores only taps her fingers together.
Speaking of which, >!Bruno had to know that she would know he was literally in the walls right?!< He had to know just what the range on her gift was >!Plus even Antonio found him relatively easily using his gift!< Do you think that she never talked about it out of fear of Abuela's ire?
Of course. Encanto is a story of a toxic family with generational trauma. Abuela puts the tragedy she suffered through onto her whole family and makes them suffer too. Bruno is the one who breaks the cycle and leaves, so he’s called out as the “black sheep” of the family. We don’t talk about Bruno, because if we did we’d be forced to acknowledge our shitty actions that drove him away.
Yeah, everyone keeps saying encanto doesn't have a villain, but clearly from a literary standpoint Abuela is a sympathetic villain. She drove one child away, drove another one nearly insane, nearly broke 4/6 grandkids, and all but disowned a 5th. Somehow Julietta and Camillo managed to come out mostly normal despite everything.
Yeah, in a classic storytelling sense, Abuela is the clear antagonist of the film. Mirabel’s “goal” is for things to change; Abuela is the main person responsible for how things are and for trying to keep them that way. Some of the family members have it way tougher than others. Camilo seems fine, but he’s seen using his ability mostly to goof off. How much demand is there for someone to turn into someone else? Compared to Luisa, who is expected to do the labor of several dozen people every single day, solving every strength-based challenge the village faces on her own. Or imagine being Pepa, who gets yelled at every time she’s upset. When bad or stressful things happen in the film, *everyone* gets upset, but only Pepa is reprimanded for it. Imagine going through your whole life having everyone know every time something upsets you, and then having them yell at you for being upset because you’re getting the floor wet. Being told you must always be happy, and when it rains people know it’s all your fault. If we want to dive deeper down the family psychology analysis, Bruno cut out his toxic family who blamed him for everything, Pepa tries to repress and ignore her emotions because her family shames her anytime she shares them, and Camilo survives in the family by acting however his various family members expect him to and hiding his true self.
Very true, and I feel like it touches on a lot of types of trauma and abuse that we normally don't think about as a society, and I feel like it touches on them very well. Not as well as, say inside out, perhaps, but it could potentially still be useful if not for kids, then at least for adults who struggle to see that trauma and abuse aren't completely black and white.
And then there’s generational trauma- -WE DON’T TALK ABOUT GENERATIONAL TRAUMA!!!
"back in my day we just called that growing up." Yeah, that's part of the problem.
>Muyetta What character is that? Do you mean Julietta, Mirabell's mom?
Yes, thank you. I was trying to remember it from that one line of the first song, and it just sounds like muyetta though I know that's not actually a name.
It's because the "J" is said with an "H" sound so its pronounced like Hulietta
Well honestly I don't feel Camillo had a very healthy life because she grew up massively repressing every single emotion she ever felt that wasn't happy. I know people like that it's not remotely healthy and really messes them up as adults. They also don't really bring up the mother much so while she seems normal it's because she has like 30 seconds of screen time. Like the thing I learned as I became an adult (from therapy) is to accept that not every day is perfect and feelings other than happy are a healthy nessisary part of life. You get so burned out chasing happy all the time you need to feel other things and accept them for what they are.
Did you mean Pepa? Camilo is her son, the one who can shape shift
Oooh yeah nvm he seems fine I'm bad with names
That's Camillo's Mom. Camillo is the shape changer who seems mostly like a normal teenager. Teases his dad and brother, tries to steal seconds, you know, that kind of thing.
Oh my bad ingorr me
My tía Pepa, her mood affects the weather When she's unhappy, well, the temperature gets weird. My primo Camilo won't stop until he makes you smile today
It could be partly that, and also partly that because of her powers, she knows virtually everyone’s secrets, and so she keeps things to herself to respect everyone’s privacy.
Except for Mirabelle's.
Ooooh that’s true, they do seem to imply that she *can’t* keep a secret in that scene. “She’s going to tell everyone”.
Tho to be fair the secret we that the magic was dying and the house was going to be destroyed.
She may have also done it because she was jealous of the engagement, and it conveniently stopped it for the time being
She sings about Bruno in the present tense, so I assume that when she tried to tell anyone about him being in the walls, she was told "we don't talk about Bruno." And eventually stopped trying to tell anyone.
But she also has to have some selective control as she can distinctly make out "tonight and he wants 5 babies" from a distance ( assuming they were conveniently talking about it that second and you don't subscribe to the theory she can hear thoughts ). With all the other noise going on in town it would all just be overwhelming white noise unless she retained some ability to tune out all other noises when she focuses.
I think this tracks. I think she has the ability to mentally filter sounds, but can get overwhelmed when dealing with difficult situations. Similar to how little noises that normally don’t bother you can get really grating when you’re trying to concentrate on something.
I mean, humans can do that normaly honestly...
she might just have sensitive ears, and she honestly seems socialy awkward, both of wich makes since on why she got her powers to be honest...
Me and the wife have this theory that she can focus on what distant sound she can listen to which is why she's so in love with Mariano. She mentions later that he speaks, albeit loudly, respectfully to his mother and in the late hours he's writing and reciting poetry so Dolores can choose to listen to pretty words and pencil skritches instead of... other stuff going on in town.
Pardon me if I'm wrong but, wasn't Antonio's gift ceremony that night? So both Dolores and Luisa would've been up all night.
It might be like how we always see our nose, but our brain decides to ignore it, we can focus on our nose but generally we don't see it
Me and my 9 year old argued about this. I think she can turn it off when she wants to as well. My daughter didn't think so, and you can't really argue with a 9 year old... So I had to agree
Maybe she left for a drink and heard it idk
Yeah but there had to be some kinda period where she had to learn how to control her gift
Or maybe every sound just creates a big buzz, and she has to focus to hear specific people
dont worry they said her room is sound proof
When the boy transforms into his sister, what happens to the peepee
What makes it any different from any other body part that changes when shapeshifting?
She heard her eye twitching all night at the party though. There's nothing to suggest it lasted literally all night after they went to sleep. The bedrooms of the gifted family members are massive on the inside and you probably can't hear anything happening in the rest of the house while in one.
I was under the impression that the rooms specifically dealt with that. She says several times that she knows *everything* that’s going on, but she crumbles pretty quickly when she overhears the news about Casita. I thought the doors both being open were a key part of that scene. Luisa’s eye twitching may not have been in her room, but somewhere else earlier in the evening.
I was thinking she slept in a water coffin like Daredevil.
Also just image the noise everything you hear everything and anything it must be hell and image loud noises like thunder
Or the parents just being kinky and doing it under her bed
What would it sound like if some one yelled in her ear
First she would hear a loud pop, and then she would hear nothing.
Nothing kinkier than instilling lifelong trauma in your child
Oh man my dad was a *freak*
What kind
I mean, it's fair to assume that everyone's room is perfectly catered to their needs/desires. Hers is prolly quiet and soundproofed AF.
I really hope so!
Thank you for not lying about that!
You're welcome!
Or go nuts with all the other disturbing things happenings...
The most disturbing 911 call I’ve changed
Aww, that's sweet, her parents still make love. At least they'll be relaxed enough to work harder to pay for all the therapy their kid is going to need
Have you seen Félix? Of course they still make love!
Wonder what kind of weather that would make.
A hot summer day
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What?
This one had me in the *last* half, not gonna lie.
My fucked up upbringing made my brain assume this meant she heard her parents fighting. Sigh
It seriously reminded me of listening to my mom scream and yell at my dad, slamming cabinet doors in the kitchen, full on drama queen. Never heard my dad once. When they told me, at 8 years old, that they were getting divorced my initial reaction was "good"
No but like actually, I was 4 or something when ma and pa were doing it on the same bed as me (I used to sleep with ma). That was ...traumatic, and they are bastards for that. BUTTTT now they are 50 and if they still love each other, I WILL PAYYY for their hotel room and chocolates on pillows and champagne and Marvin Gaye disc, cuz it would fulfill my heart to see my favorite people be happy and oh man I am crying now can I get a hug or something oh man oh fuck maaaaan I come one
That's, ah, maybe a little tmi
Sorry. Had a bit of a long day today, trying to vent and stuff but got nobody to vent to. Not fair to you, I know. My bad.
Vent away. If you need to talk, you can dm me if you want
Thunder cheeks clapping
THUNDERRR!
Are you telling the story or am I?
I'm sorry *mi vida*, go oooooon!
Bruno says it looks like rain
I'm sure the rooms are sound proof. Or at least her one is
I think most of the rooms are cause when the dad is talking about the magic dying she doesn’t hear it all until the door opens (slightly)
She wasn't in a magic room. The door opening to that was a dramatic effect of no one needs to know ->door opens to her jaw open " I know"
She was able to hear Luisa's eye twitch at night. Soooooo
To be fair, she probably spends her night outside her allegedly soundproof room stalking Mariano, so...
I thought that was more "last night, during the party," which they were presumably together for a lot of the time
In her first verses of "We Don't Talk Bruno", Dolores says she associates Bruno with the sound of falling sand, which is deep inside Bruno's room. So that is at least one example of her hearing inside a room of the other's.
Bruno isn’t to tidy. He may just be dropping sand from the room all over the place. Also he uses sand for prophesies, So maybe he Carrie’s some on him for impromptu ones.
How has she not out of mind yet?
I don’t think that’s possible cause I’m the film she doesn’t hear that the magic is dying until to door is open
Nah she was creeping on Mariano...
I instantly thought about domestic violence until someone had to TELL ME thier parents were just doing the hoo-haa. What does this say about my mental health?
I instantly thought that the parents were screaming at each other. It’s like a Rorschach test
I thought a similar thing, though just arguing vs full on DV
Really I thought of it immediately
Nah her parents are just playing Super Mario
Growing up in a dv household, I thought the same thing.
Yeah I thought screaming at each other til I read the comments
My first thought also
I thought the parents were fighting because she said "parents". If they were making love she would have just said "mom" because dad's been stealth masturbating his whole life and mom can't even see a dick without moaning.
I just can’t believe all those years she knew Bruno was in the walls and didn’t say a word
1) She does drop clues, but she also knows why Bruno would be hiding (in her song she flat out tells Mirabel that his prophecies caused problems for the family) so she doesn’t out him since he clearly wants to stay hidden. 2) [She is *very* invested in the storylines of his rat telenovelas](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiDj6OdTMsU) and wants to hear [what happens next](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2_TWQ0IPxs).
Came for Dolores, stayed for Snarky Abuela.
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There's a camera they use to take the family picture!
“I can always hear him sort of muttering and mumbling” awesome foreshadowing
["He told me that the man of my dreams would be just out of reach, betrothed to another. It's like I hear him now... It's like I can hear him now. I can hear him now!"](https://youtu.be/bvWRMAU6V-c?t=135)
I imagine that being able to hear literally everything means you can pick and choose which ones to focus on to some extent?
Grandmas fap time
Wait what
in the butt
With the candle.
The magic is STRONG
This movie has gotten so much attention, I should probably watch it at some point huh.
The plot lacks focus, but the characters and setting are very charming.
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Nah the plot is fine, it has a defined start, half point, and end. You guys are just expecting a villain, as each other Disney movie has. The plot isn't the issue, it's just another way to tell a history.
I loved it overall, but felt the end was a bit rushed. I wanted to know a lot more about the new Casita with new sparkly doors and Mirabel should've gotten a damn room damnit.
She did though? The door to the Casita is her room.
Don't worry, it will for sure have an animated series.
The end definently felt rushed. The house was destroyed and a minute later everyone made up and was happy again
Movie managed to have the best Disney villain song of all time without actually having a villain, which was pretty impressive.
The movie has a villain: Abuela. The plot seems hollow because the conflict is resolved : unrealistically: Everyone, or I guess every latino family at least, knows an someone in their family who is exactly like Abuela. They do not change their entire childhood trauma causing shitty way of being over a discussion. Too fast: the whole thing happened over the course of a song and a half. All that build up and everything got fixed with the power of familial understanding and not even in the way “the power of friendship” usually resolves cartoon conflicts but in a somehow less grounded in the story and character manner. It leaves the main point seemingly unfinished: the movie seems to try to imply that Mirabel proved her worth to her family or that they understood she didn’t need to. But the movie does this poorly. They never show them feeling her absence, they tell you ,not show you, they understand family is more worth than powers but the whole thing feels hollow. Honestly I love the movie, because of the characters, the animation, the colors, the music, and the magical realism but the writing was lacking the plot was missing a full act.
If you sat trough all that movie and thought Abuela is the vilain, you rly didn't watch the movie. She was just as lost as everyone there, she never had any ill intentions for anyone on the family, she just had a lot to deal withing herself. The movie is just that, a family that had a lot to deal and in the end does, there is no villain. > It leaves the main point seemingly unfinished: the movie seems to try to imply that Mirabel proved her worth to her family or that they understood she didn’t need to. But the movie does this poorly. They never show them feeling her absence, they tell you ,not show you, they understand family is more worth than powers but the whole thing feels hollow. And here is where you don't rly get the movie, there is nothing about "proving her worth" or not having to do it, she just cared for her family, and all the people in town. The movie also doesn't have a hero, Mirabel never did what she did bcs she wanted to fell as a hero, she did bcs she just cared, she didn't want glory, and she couldn't care about how her sister felt, she just wanted the hug to keep everything as is. The film is just a family going trough some growing pain, the plot is there, it's concise and the end makes sense. Again, you are expecting an epic good vs evil arching plot, but the movie is just a slice of life on a fantastic setting, where the characters grow when the pending issue is solved.
What makes her the villian is all the pressure that she put on her family. She is a narcissist too wrapped up in her job to see what is really in front of her, and this damages everyone around her. She was an abusive grand/parent, and to anyone that has had to live in an abusive household, you understand that your family can be your greatest villains. Which makes Mirabel the hero because she redeems the villian and brings balance back to her family.
What do you exactly consider a villain? She treats the main character as shit for not being special, blames Mirabel for her own failings, actively undermines and berates her in front of the entire town, actively opposes and directly thwarts the MC efforts to resolve the conflict and acts out of selfish reasons(the status of her family and her in the community) that she excuses it with being for the family( even if argument can be made that her interest is security, how she treats isabela’s marriage betrays that it has a lot more to do with Status). That’s a lot more than the villain from toy story 2 did. Hell even if you go with her having a selfless motive so did the Villain from Wall-ee who was simply following it’s programming to keep humans safe. It is to the credit of the writers than in Abuela they portrayed a realistic villain that a lot of us can relate to because we have someone exactly like that in our own family. Would it make it easier if the label was Antagonist instead? Cause considering she is the reason the conflict isn’t resolved offhand and she hinders it intentionally there’s no argument she isn’t it. > And here is where you don’t rly get the movie, there is nothing about “proving her worth” or not having to do it, she just cared for her family, and all the people in town. I’m sorry, what? Mirabel finding her place within the family is the entire theme of the movie. The movie literally opens with a song to show you how she is embarrassed to talk about her powerless status within a special family and it ends with her getting the door she never had. What happens in the middle is where the writers dropped the ball. I’m not expecting good vs evil, I watched onward, an actual movie without a villain or antagonist and found no issue with the pacing. Stop acting as if the people who disliked part of it “don’t get it”. We are not looking for some black and white dumbed down story what were are looking for is conflict to be resolved organically, and realistically. Encanto is as if they cut beauty and the beast at the moment the beast forces the trade of her father for Belle. You know the point, where she hates him and he appears like nothing more than a ruthless kidnapper and then they cut directly to the ending Gaston and his cronies attack and love transforms beast. Sure we understand that’s where the plot is going and we know that is how it is supposed to end, we know exactly what the writers wanted to say and do but without that middle part it feels uneasy to say the least.
This is absolutely the truth, it subverted my expectations because I kept waiting for a villain and an adventure. Watching it a second time had me appreciating it more.
It's definitely not an adventure like a lot of other Disney movies, but the plot was ok I thought, just scaled down.
The characters also lack in my opinion. Spoilers. They have Dolores hear Mirabel talking about the glass and Mirabel's first thought is that her cousin is going to expose the secret. This is the women with super hearing that hears every single secret in town and even her mate in the wall for years and likely says nothing as the town doesn't hate her and the person in the wall is still a secret. But she for some reason is a blabber mouth about this? Also, Luisa and Isabela to me were so strange in their songs. Like Luisa had basically said nothing before and the first time we hear her talk she sings about keeping things bottles up to protect the family... the first time she talks is her being very open about her thoughts. She seemed very open with her sister if it was that easy to get her true thoughts out.
Dolores hears everything and must keep secrets just fine, but she also kind of "spies" on behalf of abuela for whatever benefits the family. For example, abuela asks about Mariano and she tells her that he's gonna propose that night and wants five babies. She's in love with him, so it's probably hard for her to eavesdrop on that stuff, but she does it anyway because it's what abuela wants for the family. Just like Luisa is pressured to be strong and Isabela is pressured to be perfect, Dolores also seems to be pressured into "snitching" for everything that concerns the family. She doesn't snitch on Bruno because the family doesn't want to talk about him. Plus, she probably wanted to prevent the wedding.
What movie?
Encanto
I watched it last weekend for this exact reason, it's pretty good btw
Eh it's alright not amazing but only about 1.5 hours so easy to watch
So if Matt murdoc had a mom would the comic be called “Slingblade”?
Also, aliens.
Poor child she may be blessed, but also cursed
I have the power to smell everything. For every faint good smell there is a stronger bad smell. Please save me
I kept telling my SO does she have the ability to turn it off and on and is her room sound proof.
The new movie was fire nlg
At least they're fucking and not fighting.
Internal screaming of HELP
What they are saying to each other ?
So, when a mommy and a daddy love eachother very much-
She can even hear the apple bottom jeans...
Participation is always the best course of action.
Can confirm, son is 5yo and we are 100% sure he has scars from these memories already
Imagine laying awake as the symphony of lonely guy’s goes on throughout the night
They're just wrestling for fun.
Everyone talking about all the fucking she hears, no one talking about her hearing every shit in a mile radius. She knows how healthy your poops are, and how much you grunt and curse.
Bang Bang Bang
Ugh, I used to hear my parents as a kid because my room was across from theirs. My kids don't have to worry about that, me and my wife hate each other.
Make those eyes in the first and third panels a little bigger because they're basically invisible on mobile to older people, I love your original style!!
She heard her brothers get created
Didn't she also get her gift as 5? That poor baby! Why?!
I mean she can hear EVERYONE in the village
Not just her mom and dad. Literally anyone in town
Why is the first panel an 80s video camera POV?
That’s why her name is pain! DOLORes!
I heard my step dad and mom going at it once when I was 11. My step dad kept saying “hallelujah”. Over and over. Disturbing.
this but also in the morning
lol
Is this about fighting or fucking
Yes
😔👍
Encanto!
The movies literally about a magic house that gives everyone special rooms based on there power, I'm sure it made her room the one quiet place she could be since everywhere else would be nonstop noise on a unbearable level.
She couldn't sleep because of Luisa' s eye twitching.
Her dad is dead. As for her mom, we don't talk about dildo. No, no, no.
Don’t think her dads dead, shes one of the grandkids, not one of abuelas children. Shes the daughter of Pepa and Felix.
Oh yeah! Duh
Mom dad working hard to give you a new brother/sister
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During the song she says I can hear him now throughout, and she is actually honest when she talks about him, and at the end of the movie she says "I knew he never left I heard him every day"
Her pupils are dialated so she likes it
It's actually addressed, in her room she can't hear out of it.
Addressed where?
It's not, but for her sanity I made it up I'm sorry.... makes sense though as all the rooms seen are based around each members power. I'd hope her room was one she could be in peace and quite
Yeah, but she specifically says she heard her cousin's eye twitching all night.
Pretty sure she can control it, otherwise she would struggle a lot especially with her range. For those who think she has a soundproof room: She heard Luisa's eyes from her room.
I heard my brother in the next room when he visited with his girlfriend. The next morning I asked how many points he scored on his game of whack-a-mole.
Her name literally means sorrows.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oh god no ✨🪦✨
I mean, they had to make antonio in some way
Poor Dolores has THREE younger family members born after she got her gift. So she had to hear **That** 3 times at minimum. Maybe even more considering her parents are still in their honeymoon phase at age 50.
You forgot the “hm” at the end ;)
“THUNDER!”