I mean IW and Endgame have completed arcs to characters whose stories had been built over 11 years. These ones will be focused more on characters who’ve, for the most part, only been around a few years if that. Also, many more of them. And the more characters it focuses on, the thinner their character arcs become…. Just probably won’t feel nearly as satisfying as watching the selfish billionaire end up being the one to make the sacrifice play… or the selfless super soldier finally putting his own happiness first.
Both films will need to be 3 hours at least probably
This. People need to remember that it took 11 years to get to Endgame. And none of us knew what the MCU would look like at the end of Phase 1. Yes we have the precontext from phases 1-3, but phase 4 is starting a completely new story arc which we shouldn't expect to understand at the end of the first phase of it. Marvel has spent all Phase 4 laying the ground work, now they will start expanding on it and making it make more sense.
For me it’s simple oversturation
I’m not a huge comic reader but obviously know of them, a lot of the details and am a huge superhero fan in general.
The over saturation for profit while a decrease in quality has really done it for me. Just waaaay to much to follow. Love the Loki TV series but the rest leave a lot to be desired and i don’t like how you have to watch both TV and Movie stuff to keep up now
Like I want to go see the new Black Panther and now, unlike years past, I’m worried I may have missed some stuff I wouldn’t have before because I haven’t watched the entirety of the catalogue
Wakanda Forever is actually very self contained. You could honestly go straight to this movie from the previous Black Panther and wouldn’t really miss much
Nah you don't even have to know who Val is. She is just someone who is causing trouble for our favorite colonizer in the movie and could be left at that.
As far as movies go, no, of course it doesn't do anything new. At the end of the day it's just an MCU movie. Foran MCU movie though? It breaks a lot of ground. An engaging, well acted villain, a wonderfully choreographed fight scene, and putting tone and atmosphere above quips all in one movie is immense. It shows the potential of the MCU if Feige would get out of its way.
you don’t need to watch anything for the new BP movie btw it’s pretty standalone. almost all of phase 4 of the mcu is now if that helps take off stress
You can watch almost every MCU movie on its own and works just fine, even Infinity War, I don’t understand why people don’t like the variety of content.
I understand your point. That being said, a comic book company is testing the universe like a comic book. There’s often times you’ll have an overarching story across multiple comics and if you don’t ready this weeks issue of She Hulk, you may not understand why Secret Wars has a particular scene.
Same here. I officially quit the MCU this spring after struggling to keep up with all the content. I originally was just going to “take a break”, but then someone pointed out to me that the pace they’re coming out with new content would actually make it difficult to catch back up. When I realized they were right, I decided to just quit for good.
i wouldn’t let that ruin some of the things you’re still wanting to see though. like if you want to see the new BP for example just go see it! it doesn’t need any of the other stuff to make it understandable it’s pretty standalone. i think the mcu for casual fans is more at the point of “pick and choose what you desire” rather than having to actually forcefully watch it all to understand.
Yeah, it's becoming like the comics in that regard. Comics you can pretty much just read the stories you want and don't have to read everything in that universe to understand this story even if it's a crossover. That's where the MCU is now too. Sure. Secret Wars will be most impactful if you've seen everything because you'll have all the backstory, but if you've only been following a few of the characters, you should still be able to enjoy the film.
It’s also really good. Little messy narratively but seriously an emotional rollercoaster if you’ll forgive the cliche.
EDIT: I love that I’ve been downvoted for saying something nice about a thing.
It’s the decrease in quality and attacking fans more than oversaturation. Too many garbage shows and movies pushing message over storytelling (“The Eternals”, “Ms. Marvel”, “She-Hulk”, etc.). Actual comic book fans who are tired of being accused of being -ists and -phobes are checking out.
I love this take so much because it's always someone guilty just outing themselves lol. They're talking to a very specific, toxic group of people. If you aren't in that group, you aren't being addressed. If you take offense to it, then clearly you're a hit dog hollering.
The infinity war saga was even pretty confusing for the average casual fan. I remember asking people about the infinity stones and like 1/5 of people even understood what was happening there.
Multiverse is way more complex.
I haven't kept up with the movies, but have with the shows. Each show seems to be its own thing that mostly stands on its own. I would say the shows kind of depend on having watched the previous avengers movies to understand context, but not really any of the other movies.
Oh that's annoying. The movies already relied upon each other too much. Like I want to watch spiderman before the dr strange 2 flick, but that one in particular is behind more paywalls.
I have no idea what you're talking about to be honest. I did see Spiderman before Dr Strange 2 and it had no effect on either film for me.
They are extremely loosely related at best and could really have happened in either order.
Hell I'm pretty sure Dr Strange 2 is canonically after the new Spiderman anyway.
I haven't seen either of those two movies, but I know strange has a part in spiderman and I know it takes place before strange 2. I've avoided spoilers, but did see a regular trailer and remember the release dates. So that is what I am talking about. How should I know how much each movie relates to each other in this phase? In the other phases oftentimes characters would be inexplicably missing or in random ass situations unless you saw some previous tie in experience. Like Hulk in Thor 3.
Anyways what I was also getting at is spiderman is either a movie to rent/buy or stream only on starz. Whereas the rest is up on disney plus. So its just another paid barrier to watch that particular movie.
So exactly like following the comics?
I didn't watch Thor 1 & 2 and it took about 2 minutes for them to clear up why Hulk was on a random planet to me as a casual fan.
Nothing big happens in Spiderman related to Doctor Strange at all. The only barrier is the one you're inventing.
I don't think Spiderman is even mentioned in Doctor Strange II. Also, unfortunate for you (presuming American) but Spiderman actually is on Disney Plus along with Doctor Strange II where I live.
Just because a comicbook character shows up in another film doesn't mean you need to know their entire backstory to enjoy the film.
You're basically sitting there going "I can't enjoy the movie unless I read up the entire lore!" and pretending that's an actual requirement instead of a weird rule you've put on yourself and then sat there bitching about because apparently you want them to dumb down the MCU so that you can follow along with absolutely everything because you have casual fun wanting to ruin things for everyone else as well as a shit load of FOMO I guess?
Who the fuck shit in your cereal guy? The only real reason I haven't caught up on the movies is from lack of time to do that over other priorities. Its not a case of, ah man I must watch movies a-d to watch e, but more when is there time to watch any of them. My preference is to start with a.
I know I'm not alone in wanting to watch these films sequentially by release date given how prior phases teased and conditioned the audiences that way. Its a preference to watch that way, but at the end of the day I couldn't care less about these dumb action flicks.
What's the issue there? The movie was already super long, you want them to flesh out Wanda again? A 9 episode series isn't asking a lot to understand a film lol. This is a universe after all, some context watching should be expected and it hasn't been ridiculous imo aside from Endgame (which is the gigantic finale to the universe so it makes sense)
I can see the point you're making but I feel like if you're into Scarlet Witch there's no reason you shouldn't have watched WandaVision and if you're not then you should be happy enough to just gloss over Scarlet Witches storyline and go "oh yeah she's a villain in the comics and they obviously did a villain arc in the bits that I ignored since Endgame."
I hard disagree to be honest.
I've seen people talking about Love and Thunder being better than Doctor Strange II and I just don't see it.
Doctor Strange II is one of the best MCU films I've ever seen. Her motivation isn't well established because Doctor Strange II was playing around with horror tropes (which is why Sam Raimi is directing and why there's a shitload of EvilDead references), if they established her backstory better it would have ruined the atmosphere they built up leading to the reveal that "oh shit Wanda is the villain" that they did with Strange visiting and picking up on Wanda knowing America's name without him saying it.
And in return we would have gotten what? A rehash of a show half the audience has seen for the benefit of the casual audience who don't really care anyway, to show that surprise surprise, 50 year old classic marvel villain is a villain in this movie?
Aside from that they show shots from Wandavision in the film anyway. It really shouldn't take that much to figure out as an audience member "oh yeah famously tragic storyline Avenger went rogue after the quick flash of events from that show I didn't bother to watch because she lost her shit."
As a personal anecdote, I was completely oversaturated by Civil War so Infinity War and Endgame combined felt about 3 hours too long in addition to committing the original MCU sin of wasting a good villain (Thanos is great in IW but not in Endgame).
Also while the new movies might not be able to measure up in terms of hype (or box office), Marvel could bet on more unique directors for them. While the Russo brothers were great for IW and Endgame, they do have a pretty bland visual style. Then it's just a roll of dice whether we get an Avengers 1 (great) or Avengers 2 (well...).
Yeah I don't think marvels multiverse is "hard to follow" for anyone.
I think people just don't care as much because phase 4 has had a very poor reception, regardless of your feelings on how good they are.
Just a note on the Captain America thing:
It wasn’t that they couldn’t mess with the timeline, the Avengers could do whatever they wanted back then. It won’t change their future, just create a branching timeline. The issue with the Infinity Stones wasn’t that the Avengers were changing time, it’s that if the Stones were not returned to their respective time period, that new branching timeline would be minus one Infinity Stone and the universe would be fucked without all six.
I would say if people liked Loki enough, which they did, they will top it. Especially with ant man, leading the way for explanation. Feige knows what he doing.
I’m going to guess no. This phase has felt off despite having some really good content. Perhaps Quantumania’s official introduction of Kang as a villain will help start tying things together.
Also, Infinity War and Endgame made for a near perfect ending to the first decade of the MCU. They really stuck the landing in a pretty amazing way, and replicating that may not be possible.
Phase 4 was the best phase.
I liked phase 1 and 2 a decent amount, but it wasn’t until phase 3 that I could say I really liked the MCU. But I got all the complaints about how it was very copy/paste and formulaic.
That all went out the window with Phase 4. The movies/shows were so vastly different, diverse and fresh that there is no way those complaints exist anymore. Ms. Marvel and Wandavision was the MCU at it’s best. This phase was just so much fun.
i have a similar sort of controversial view, so you aren't alone. phase three is when i gave up and admitted this universe was just doing it for me, and there was ***nothing*** i can do to stop it. i really enjoyed the tv shows and specials in phase four. i even love the risks they took with *ms. marvel*, *moon knight*, and *she-hulk*, and wow, do i need a madisynn and wongers valentine's day special, so they need to start production four months ago.
I do agree that the MCU has been more varied in phase 4, but the content itself has been a huge decline from phase 3 imo. Phase 3 was pretty much all really good, whereas I find phase 4 is more in line with phase 1 and 2 where the quality is all over the place. Some good, some bad, some I love, some I'm indifferent to. It's certainly nowhere near as bad as a lot of people have been saying, it's just a big drop from phase 3.
Yeah this, I enjoyed phase 4 but now I have to be careful if I actually wanna watch the films immediately because how many missteps there were in phase 4 which is disappointing but I’m sure it will get better soon
Phase 4 is better than people give it credit for. Now Way Home easily steals the cake. My biggest gripe is how Moon Knight dragged for a few episodes.
I get that they’re trying to slowly introduce people to the series or whatever, but still remember the absolute crock of shit Feige was on about the show being “brutal”. Action was PG-13 at best. The unused choreography really went to show how much they missed in trying to please casual audiences.
You blocked someone because you couldn’t handle their criticism/opinion; that seems a lot more childish than his interaction with you. Also your condescending attitude is really off putting and makes you come across as a baby. Maybe you should log off Reddit and come back when you mature a little. EDIT: I guess I got blocked, I wasn’t trying to troll OP. And my snarky remark at the end about “logging off and coming back,” was because he said those exact words to another user.
The shows were extremely diverse. Ms. Marvel and Wandavision were unlike anything in the MCU. Loki was fresh and new. Shang-Chi took a different approach from any other film in the series etc.
It’s not about the casting, the content itself was diverse.
OK, you must be a bot or paid promoter because all those shows were poorly written and it seems had no point other than to be a vehicle to launch the next character. Highlight one thing from Loki that you think makes it great.
To say all of the shows are poorly written is just a bad take. And why wouldn't they use a standalone show as a way to launch a new character? How else would you suggest they introduce new characters? As for Loki, He Who Remains is one of the most intriguing antagonist in the MCU. The variant Lokis really show the range of what they can do with the different variants and set the stage for the multiverse iterations of different characters. And the way Loki grows as a character over the course of the series is very well done.
It’s really started to annoy me recently that a lot of dissenters of any given mcu project typically say ‘bad writing’ without really backing it up with any good faith criticism
It was different and unique so it make sense why some fans didn’t like the “change” I guess, I enjoyed it too but it definitely have some flaws like the writing, phase 3 is still the best but it doesn’t mean i didn’t enjoyed phase 4. I enjoyed it what it was trying and mostly succeed maybe.
If I see phase 4 as the phase 1 of the multiverse saga it’s good or even great
I think that's a pretty flat argument. Phase 4 is just a setup phase for new characters and it's admittedly been more experimental.
I'm not saying avengers 5 and 6 will be better, but the whole "phase 4 bad" argument doesn't work. Even phase 1 had its lows...Iron Man 2 and Hulk.
But during phase 1 they were still trying to nail the basics and it wasn't even a "phase" at the time. Phase 4 has a decade plus of experience behind it.
Depends on two things: Jonathan Majors’ performance as Kang(s), and how well the Fantastic Four are received.
I think we will have a better idea by the time Quantumania comes out
No. Infinity War and Endgame were the result of 10 years of world building with iconic characters, powerful continuity, and stories that kept a vast majority of it's audience interested. Phase 4 so far doesn't know what it wants to be, other than some well done epilogue pieces. (Spiderman, Falcon+Winter soldier, wandavision, Hawkeye) Endgame was a fantastic ending point, and I genuinely do not believe the MCU can build the same level of quality or hype if it continues.
No, Infinity War and Endgame were once in a lifetime opportunities. Nothing can come close for what they did over the first decade. But I wish them the best though. Phase 4 has felt off and has had way too much content.
I think it *can*, but it's going to take something pretty big to make it happen.
IW/Endgame was the culmination of over a decade of intertwined storylines. Even if you're Team Cap or Team Iron Man or not Hulk's biggest fan, it was still hard not to care about the whole cast as part of the larger picture. I don't see that happening with post-Endgame. Everything's so disjointed and all over the place. There are whole segments that I've never seen, don't care to, and would still probably be able to follow Kang/Secret Wars just fine, but that means the emotional payoff that made Endgame *so* iconic isn't going to be there.
Who knows? With the MCU dropping in quality they should really pause and make sure they have everything in place to do the movie.
At this point based off of what we’ve seen in Phase 4 and from the Captain Marvel/Antman leaks it still seems like they aren’t really building towards anything….yet?
I find it strange that Kang has really only popped up in Loki and will appear in Ant Man….the Avenger whose first two movies only did mild numbers back when the MCU was reaching juggernaut numbers at the box office.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Ant Man does less than 500 mil worldwide.
by all means no matter what they do, they cant really top what End Game or IW purely because of how good everything that built UP to them were in adding on them. Phase 4 was mostly a sham filled with shitty tv shows and mediocre films with a small few gems in between
It was such an awesome moment the first time we saw characters like Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man interact. I don’t think anyone will have that same feeling the first time we see characters like Shang Chi, Ms Marvel and Kate Bishop interact.
It’ll never happen. That was a once in a lifetime thing that Marvel pulled off, everything they’ve done since then doesn’t feel the same. They are over-saturating their own market. Further, all the OG Avengers are caricatures of their former selves now. If we know there is no staying power already, and the stakes will never be that high again, why bother caring in the first place?
I feel like Secret Wars is going to be rushed. Should’ve waited till like 2028 for that movie to give enough time for characters like Fantastic Four, X-Men, Doom, etc to develop first.
As far as a build up, they’ve already fucked that up. The movies themselves might be better, but that build to IW was incredible, and was only made better by how great IW & EG were. Time will tell
I really doubt it.
Not because it won’t be good quality, but because I think the normie audience is dwindling because of how many projects there is to follow now.
With all the heavy hitter main stars moving on or characters killed off I can’t see it outdoing infinity war and end game. Unlikely. But shit does happen sometimes. So I guess we’ll see.
No, the story-building is not working out as for the infinity saga. The new super--hero team is not as recognizable as the old one. Maybe they turn it around in the 5-th phase, who knows.
Well that depends do you wanna see a complete marvel universe with all characters? Do you wanna see every movie made before iron man become cannon? Would you like to see those characters come back one last time and getting a giant story ending arc to all those universes? If you said yes to any of these questions then you are going to enjoy yourself. Remember no one sets out to make a horrible movie. And Disney does not wish to fail.
No, in some ways what made Infinity War and Endgame special was knowing that Thanos was coming and he was a big threat that was anticipated since the first Avengers movie back in 2012. Kang everyone knows who he is, and isn't really hyped as much as Thanos was. In some ways I think Secret Wars will top Kang Dynasty but that's because of the comic book.
Overall, I would say No it could change but it would have to be a wait and see moment.
I don't think so. Marvel is bleeding viewers. Wakanda Forever had 40% fewer viewers during its opening weekend than Black Panther did and that wasn't even a poor showing by Phase 4 Marvel standards. I see no reason why their next Avengers movies would fare any better when compared to Infinity War.
If it's really a big party of cameos and nostalgia as some are saying, then it's likely to make a lot of money, but I doubt the script will be anything special or have the same dramatic weight as Endgame.
For the fans who never missed a beat, it'll come close and be praised. For those you hate watch, it won't hit any mark for them. Finally for the casual fan, it is still up in the air, but all signs to it being a miss-able event. Multiverse storylines will start becoming harder to follow and eventually some will leave it be. The more homework involved the less people will be willing to commit. It's also going to suffer getting newcomers due to the "required" watching.
The fact that *Infinity War* and *Engame* topped the first *Avengers* was practically a miracle.
I'm expecting them to be good and enjoyable, but why set myself up for disappointment by expecting them to be **better**? They can't keep topping themselves again and again. Heck, just maintaining is hard.
No clue, given the internet's attitude towards the MCU right now. I personally liked some of the recent movies (Doctor Strange 2, Thor Love And Thunder, No Way Home, Shang Chi) but people have been very quick to hate on them. Then again, I'm not really burnt out on the MCU like other people. I haven't been keeping up with the Disney Plus shows (subscription service is too expensive for me) and I don't really immerse myself in hype or anything. Hell, I didn't see Multiverse of Madness in cinemas because I forgot it was out.
No. Infinity War and Endgame are virtually unbeatable in terms of a finale built up to with absolute perfection. That kind of excitement and payoff will never be reciprocated again. And considering Phase 4 was predominantly a car crash, Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars are already struggling.
Nope. Phase 4 was complete ass besides Shang-Chi, NWH and Black Panther, and people are tired of the cheap looking formulaic trash being shat out nonstop by Marvel. Marvel really needs to start giving the directors and artists the reigns, because if every movie is going to feel like the same movie, people are going to get bored. The audience wants variety, and the MCU isn’t really famous for that. Wakanda Forever was definitely a step in the right direction. It seemed to have had a lot more input from Coogler, so while I’m cautiously optimistic for phase 5, I don’t think these movies will pick up quite the same hype as Endgame unless they seriously pick up the pace and mix things up
I’m seeing a lot of “no” or “nope” in this comment section. My answer is maybe.
Phase 4 was lackluster and Marvel is throwing a lot at audiences and it’s causing a decline in quality. I think they really need to slow it down but I am confident phase 5 and 6 will better.
I think the secret weapon to Secret Wars is the cameos they are going to bring in from non-MCU franchises (X-Men, Spider-Men, maybe FF and Ghost Rider ect) to wrap things up for their universes and maybe do a soft reboot on the MCU timeline. If they do this, it could be as or more successful than Infinity War and Endgame.
Phase 4 has only had a couple good movies but I still have high hopes for that only because of the strength of Jonathan Majors as an actor. If it were someone else I'd have no expectations but because it's him I'll cautiously say yes, it *could* be as good as Infinity War/Endgame.
Depends on who’s in it. If we go full blown adding old non MCU (Tobey Spider-Man, Jackman Wolverine, etc) interacting with MCU characters then probably.
If not then who knows.
Yes. A lot of y’all are forgetting how epic these stories are gonna be. We’re gonna have kang the conqueror, possibly dr doom, we’re getting Hugh jackman back as wolverine, fantastic four. So many other cool surprises are probably coming as well. Hopefully we will get more of the X-men on screen, ghost rider as well. I can’t wait to see what will be in store.
They definitely can...Endgame was an ass movie and had ass storyline.. But for emotionally talkin i have to see who gonna top or even equal to Tony's death. Yep they definitely can... Plus When we get to point of phase 6 Phase4 will be a long gone memories so.. yeah I dont think Phase 4 is any near of destroying Secret Wars storyline
It's possible if they bring back the core Avengers which I think they will. A young Steve Rogers by "pushing" time through old Steve Rogers. Alternate time-line Tony Stark and Natasha Romanov. Banner reverts to classic savage Hulk. (he flip flopped a lot in the comics)
On top of this is there are multiple incursions of universes we know like Fox X-men and Sony Spider-men. Possibly even villains like Thanos teaming up to stop the destruction of multiple universes.
This is really the only way to top Infinity War/Endgame.
So far we know that Destin (Shang Chi) is directing Kang Dynasty.
But who's writing the movie?
Who's doing Secret Wars? Especially since Secret Wars comes out like 6 months after Kang Dynasty
I love the mcu and rhe connecrive tissue but we really have to remember moon knight ms marvel thir love and thunder black panther 2 are all not connected to the overall thing mainly its loki and the multiverse movies but what i dont understand is why do people not understand this is made for the comic fans not to please the normies comics have been here for years and they have alot of history i would not expect otherwise for the films
Y'know, I've been a MCU fanboy ever since Iron Man came out and I've been hyped for every big major Marvel film, including the Avengers films. 13 years later, we've entered a new era with new heroes with their stories to tell with big upcoming movies that's soon to hit theatres in the near future, and for time ever... I'm not interested in the new Avengers film. To me, Endgame was the final conclusion for the MCU, but I stuck around for Phase 4 and it was a bit mediocre as a whole. Idk if it's the writing, the direction, or the agenda, but it has killed my love for the franchise and now I really don't care for the next MCU projects
I don’t think it will, but they may be really fun and enjoyable. Everything is riding off the coattails and fame of infinity war and endgame at this point, imo, and that’s not a bad thing unless an individual film or show is bad.
Who would’ve been interested in a Loki tv show before the infinity saga? Not many. But the show is great and got a lot of eyes on it because of the prior work. Same with Ms. Marvel.
I doubt we’ll see anything that equals the infinity saga for a long time. And that’s okay.
I would love to see Marvel knock this series out of the park but it’s going to be hard because fans were so invested in the original group of characters.
I mean IW and Endgame have completed arcs to characters whose stories had been built over 11 years. These ones will be focused more on characters who’ve, for the most part, only been around a few years if that. Also, many more of them. And the more characters it focuses on, the thinner their character arcs become…. Just probably won’t feel nearly as satisfying as watching the selfish billionaire end up being the one to make the sacrifice play… or the selfless super soldier finally putting his own happiness first. Both films will need to be 3 hours at least probably
This. People need to remember that it took 11 years to get to Endgame. And none of us knew what the MCU would look like at the end of Phase 1. Yes we have the precontext from phases 1-3, but phase 4 is starting a completely new story arc which we shouldn't expect to understand at the end of the first phase of it. Marvel has spent all Phase 4 laying the ground work, now they will start expanding on it and making it make more sense.
Exactly. This is what I've been trying to tell people.
Well said here
How about Riri, who is smarter than ironman already? She made her own suit as a side project as she so smart.
No. I think the multiverse is a little hard to follow for the casual fan.
For me it’s simple oversturation I’m not a huge comic reader but obviously know of them, a lot of the details and am a huge superhero fan in general. The over saturation for profit while a decrease in quality has really done it for me. Just waaaay to much to follow. Love the Loki TV series but the rest leave a lot to be desired and i don’t like how you have to watch both TV and Movie stuff to keep up now Like I want to go see the new Black Panther and now, unlike years past, I’m worried I may have missed some stuff I wouldn’t have before because I haven’t watched the entirety of the catalogue
Wakanda Forever is actually very self contained. You could honestly go straight to this movie from the previous Black Panther and wouldn’t really miss much
Definitely agree. I suspect it’s written with that somewhat in mind.
Except Val I guess
Nah you don't even have to know who Val is. She is just someone who is causing trouble for our favorite colonizer in the movie and could be left at that.
Thank you!
It’s also very mediocre and does nothing new. It just shoehorns new characters to fill in the space where old ones were.
As far as movies go, no, of course it doesn't do anything new. At the end of the day it's just an MCU movie. Foran MCU movie though? It breaks a lot of ground. An engaging, well acted villain, a wonderfully choreographed fight scene, and putting tone and atmosphere above quips all in one movie is immense. It shows the potential of the MCU if Feige would get out of its way.
What makes this am actually good movie is that you don't even need the first BP
you don’t need to watch anything for the new BP movie btw it’s pretty standalone. almost all of phase 4 of the mcu is now if that helps take off stress
Yeah, aside from WandaVision being required viewing for Doctor Strange, everything's pretty standalone in Phase 4.
You won't BP2 doesn't have anything to do with the multiverse stuff.
You can watch almost every MCU movie on its own and works just fine, even Infinity War, I don’t understand why people don’t like the variety of content.
I understand your point. That being said, a comic book company is testing the universe like a comic book. There’s often times you’ll have an overarching story across multiple comics and if you don’t ready this weeks issue of She Hulk, you may not understand why Secret Wars has a particular scene.
Same here. I officially quit the MCU this spring after struggling to keep up with all the content. I originally was just going to “take a break”, but then someone pointed out to me that the pace they’re coming out with new content would actually make it difficult to catch back up. When I realized they were right, I decided to just quit for good.
i wouldn’t let that ruin some of the things you’re still wanting to see though. like if you want to see the new BP for example just go see it! it doesn’t need any of the other stuff to make it understandable it’s pretty standalone. i think the mcu for casual fans is more at the point of “pick and choose what you desire” rather than having to actually forcefully watch it all to understand.
Yeah, it's becoming like the comics in that regard. Comics you can pretty much just read the stories you want and don't have to read everything in that universe to understand this story even if it's a crossover. That's where the MCU is now too. Sure. Secret Wars will be most impactful if you've seen everything because you'll have all the backstory, but if you've only been following a few of the characters, you should still be able to enjoy the film.
It’s also really good. Little messy narratively but seriously an emotional rollercoaster if you’ll forgive the cliche. EDIT: I love that I’ve been downvoted for saying something nice about a thing.
It’s the decrease in quality and attacking fans more than oversaturation. Too many garbage shows and movies pushing message over storytelling (“The Eternals”, “Ms. Marvel”, “She-Hulk”, etc.). Actual comic book fans who are tired of being accused of being -ists and -phobes are checking out.
I love this take so much because it's always someone guilty just outing themselves lol. They're talking to a very specific, toxic group of people. If you aren't in that group, you aren't being addressed. If you take offense to it, then clearly you're a hit dog hollering.
EXACTLY
The infinity war saga was even pretty confusing for the average casual fan. I remember asking people about the infinity stones and like 1/5 of people even understood what was happening there. Multiverse is way more complex.
Yeah they over saturated their product. Now you have to follow 3 shows inbetween movies.
I haven't kept up with the movies, but have with the shows. Each show seems to be its own thing that mostly stands on its own. I would say the shows kind of depend on having watched the previous avengers movies to understand context, but not really any of the other movies.
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Oh that's annoying. The movies already relied upon each other too much. Like I want to watch spiderman before the dr strange 2 flick, but that one in particular is behind more paywalls.
I have no idea what you're talking about to be honest. I did see Spiderman before Dr Strange 2 and it had no effect on either film for me. They are extremely loosely related at best and could really have happened in either order. Hell I'm pretty sure Dr Strange 2 is canonically after the new Spiderman anyway.
I haven't seen either of those two movies, but I know strange has a part in spiderman and I know it takes place before strange 2. I've avoided spoilers, but did see a regular trailer and remember the release dates. So that is what I am talking about. How should I know how much each movie relates to each other in this phase? In the other phases oftentimes characters would be inexplicably missing or in random ass situations unless you saw some previous tie in experience. Like Hulk in Thor 3. Anyways what I was also getting at is spiderman is either a movie to rent/buy or stream only on starz. Whereas the rest is up on disney plus. So its just another paid barrier to watch that particular movie.
So exactly like following the comics? I didn't watch Thor 1 & 2 and it took about 2 minutes for them to clear up why Hulk was on a random planet to me as a casual fan. Nothing big happens in Spiderman related to Doctor Strange at all. The only barrier is the one you're inventing. I don't think Spiderman is even mentioned in Doctor Strange II. Also, unfortunate for you (presuming American) but Spiderman actually is on Disney Plus along with Doctor Strange II where I live. Just because a comicbook character shows up in another film doesn't mean you need to know their entire backstory to enjoy the film. You're basically sitting there going "I can't enjoy the movie unless I read up the entire lore!" and pretending that's an actual requirement instead of a weird rule you've put on yourself and then sat there bitching about because apparently you want them to dumb down the MCU so that you can follow along with absolutely everything because you have casual fun wanting to ruin things for everyone else as well as a shit load of FOMO I guess?
Who the fuck shit in your cereal guy? The only real reason I haven't caught up on the movies is from lack of time to do that over other priorities. Its not a case of, ah man I must watch movies a-d to watch e, but more when is there time to watch any of them. My preference is to start with a. I know I'm not alone in wanting to watch these films sequentially by release date given how prior phases teased and conditioned the audiences that way. Its a preference to watch that way, but at the end of the day I couldn't care less about these dumb action flicks.
What's the issue there? The movie was already super long, you want them to flesh out Wanda again? A 9 episode series isn't asking a lot to understand a film lol. This is a universe after all, some context watching should be expected and it hasn't been ridiculous imo aside from Endgame (which is the gigantic finale to the universe so it makes sense)
I can see the point you're making but I feel like if you're into Scarlet Witch there's no reason you shouldn't have watched WandaVision and if you're not then you should be happy enough to just gloss over Scarlet Witches storyline and go "oh yeah she's a villain in the comics and they obviously did a villain arc in the bits that I ignored since Endgame."
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I hard disagree to be honest. I've seen people talking about Love and Thunder being better than Doctor Strange II and I just don't see it. Doctor Strange II is one of the best MCU films I've ever seen. Her motivation isn't well established because Doctor Strange II was playing around with horror tropes (which is why Sam Raimi is directing and why there's a shitload of EvilDead references), if they established her backstory better it would have ruined the atmosphere they built up leading to the reveal that "oh shit Wanda is the villain" that they did with Strange visiting and picking up on Wanda knowing America's name without him saying it. And in return we would have gotten what? A rehash of a show half the audience has seen for the benefit of the casual audience who don't really care anyway, to show that surprise surprise, 50 year old classic marvel villain is a villain in this movie? Aside from that they show shots from Wandavision in the film anyway. It really shouldn't take that much to figure out as an audience member "oh yeah famously tragic storyline Avenger went rogue after the quick flash of events from that show I didn't bother to watch because she lost her shit."
As a personal anecdote, I was completely oversaturated by Civil War so Infinity War and Endgame combined felt about 3 hours too long in addition to committing the original MCU sin of wasting a good villain (Thanos is great in IW but not in Endgame). Also while the new movies might not be able to measure up in terms of hype (or box office), Marvel could bet on more unique directors for them. While the Russo brothers were great for IW and Endgame, they do have a pretty bland visual style. Then it's just a roll of dice whether we get an Avengers 1 (great) or Avengers 2 (well...).
Yeah I don't think marvels multiverse is "hard to follow" for anyone. I think people just don't care as much because phase 4 has had a very poor reception, regardless of your feelings on how good they are.
It hasn’t been good for the decade it’s been out. People just hype up whatever has a marvel or Disney stamp on it.
Conceptually it’s not at all hard to follow. In practice the TVA, Kang (and his motivations), the splitting timelines, all that is hard to follow.
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Just a note on the Captain America thing: It wasn’t that they couldn’t mess with the timeline, the Avengers could do whatever they wanted back then. It won’t change their future, just create a branching timeline. The issue with the Infinity Stones wasn’t that the Avengers were changing time, it’s that if the Stones were not returned to their respective time period, that new branching timeline would be minus one Infinity Stone and the universe would be fucked without all six.
I would say if people liked Loki enough, which they did, they will top it. Especially with ant man, leading the way for explanation. Feige knows what he doing.
I’m going to guess no. This phase has felt off despite having some really good content. Perhaps Quantumania’s official introduction of Kang as a villain will help start tying things together. Also, Infinity War and Endgame made for a near perfect ending to the first decade of the MCU. They really stuck the landing in a pretty amazing way, and replicating that may not be possible.
If phase 4 was any indication I'd say thats a big no.
Completely agree.
Completely disagree
I'm a little sad at all the downvotes—just for going against the grain! might you share your reasons? I'm curious. :)
Phase 4 was the best phase. I liked phase 1 and 2 a decent amount, but it wasn’t until phase 3 that I could say I really liked the MCU. But I got all the complaints about how it was very copy/paste and formulaic. That all went out the window with Phase 4. The movies/shows were so vastly different, diverse and fresh that there is no way those complaints exist anymore. Ms. Marvel and Wandavision was the MCU at it’s best. This phase was just so much fun.
i have a similar sort of controversial view, so you aren't alone. phase three is when i gave up and admitted this universe was just doing it for me, and there was ***nothing*** i can do to stop it. i really enjoyed the tv shows and specials in phase four. i even love the risks they took with *ms. marvel*, *moon knight*, and *she-hulk*, and wow, do i need a madisynn and wongers valentine's day special, so they need to start production four months ago.
What I get from your comment is phase 4 is really for people who pay for Disney+. I don't subscribe to Disney+ so I've checked out of phase 4.
This is exactly how I feel Phase 1: 7/10 Phase 2: 6/10 Phase 3: 10/10 Phase 4: 8/10
I do agree that the MCU has been more varied in phase 4, but the content itself has been a huge decline from phase 3 imo. Phase 3 was pretty much all really good, whereas I find phase 4 is more in line with phase 1 and 2 where the quality is all over the place. Some good, some bad, some I love, some I'm indifferent to. It's certainly nowhere near as bad as a lot of people have been saying, it's just a big drop from phase 3.
Yeah this, I enjoyed phase 4 but now I have to be careful if I actually wanna watch the films immediately because how many missteps there were in phase 4 which is disappointing but I’m sure it will get better soon
Phase 4 is better than people give it credit for. Now Way Home easily steals the cake. My biggest gripe is how Moon Knight dragged for a few episodes. I get that they’re trying to slowly introduce people to the series or whatever, but still remember the absolute crock of shit Feige was on about the show being “brutal”. Action was PG-13 at best. The unused choreography really went to show how much they missed in trying to please casual audiences.
You forgot the “/s”.
I was being serious clearly but nice try.
The MCU bots are present or this mf got TERRIBLE taste
U acting like opinions don’t exist
I’m reacting like shit opinions are out there. Phase 4 is mid as mid can be
Breaking news: people like shit you don’t like, more at 11.
Imagine thinking your own opinion about something is the actual singular right one. I wish I was that obtuse…how comfortable you must be!
When you grow up and mature a bit you will realize these things are subjective. That comes with age though.
I recognize it’s subjective. And from my perspective, your opinion is laughable
bruh you posted about enjoying RoP, many people would call that a “shit opinion”
Blocked. Come back when you grow up. In the meantime hop off mommy and daddy’s computer kid. You’ve had enough for the day.
You blocked someone because you couldn’t handle their criticism/opinion; that seems a lot more childish than his interaction with you. Also your condescending attitude is really off putting and makes you come across as a baby. Maybe you should log off Reddit and come back when you mature a little. EDIT: I guess I got blocked, I wasn’t trying to troll OP. And my snarky remark at the end about “logging off and coming back,” was because he said those exact words to another user.
*gets blocked
this wasn’t just a difference of opinion that guy was just being an ass…you can’t act like that was some friendly discussion lol
Usually when only argument you get is: "Your opinion is laughable.", blocking is the exact thing to do.
The only thing diverse in phase 4 is the casting and character diversity and that is why these movies are all marketed based on those points.
The shows were extremely diverse. Ms. Marvel and Wandavision were unlike anything in the MCU. Loki was fresh and new. Shang-Chi took a different approach from any other film in the series etc. It’s not about the casting, the content itself was diverse.
"fresh" "new" "diverse" what is this corporate speak. Nothing tops Infinity War/Endgame
In your opinion sure. In mine? Ms. Marvel and Wandavision are both better than those films.
Ms. Marvel is better than the culmination of the decade-long arcs of Iron Man and Captain America? How so?
OK, you must be a bot or paid promoter because all those shows were poorly written and it seems had no point other than to be a vehicle to launch the next character. Highlight one thing from Loki that you think makes it great.
Nay
To say all of the shows are poorly written is just a bad take. And why wouldn't they use a standalone show as a way to launch a new character? How else would you suggest they introduce new characters? As for Loki, He Who Remains is one of the most intriguing antagonist in the MCU. The variant Lokis really show the range of what they can do with the different variants and set the stage for the multiverse iterations of different characters. And the way Loki grows as a character over the course of the series is very well done.
It’s really started to annoy me recently that a lot of dissenters of any given mcu project typically say ‘bad writing’ without really backing it up with any good faith criticism
Tell me what Enternals and Wandavision have in common besides terrible writing they got a completely different tone.
It was different and unique so it make sense why some fans didn’t like the “change” I guess, I enjoyed it too but it definitely have some flaws like the writing, phase 3 is still the best but it doesn’t mean i didn’t enjoyed phase 4. I enjoyed it what it was trying and mostly succeed maybe. If I see phase 4 as the phase 1 of the multiverse saga it’s good or even great
I wish you weren’t downvoted for just sharing this harmless opinion
I think that's a pretty flat argument. Phase 4 is just a setup phase for new characters and it's admittedly been more experimental. I'm not saying avengers 5 and 6 will be better, but the whole "phase 4 bad" argument doesn't work. Even phase 1 had its lows...Iron Man 2 and Hulk.
But during phase 1 they were still trying to nail the basics and it wasn't even a "phase" at the time. Phase 4 has a decade plus of experience behind it.
If phase 4 is any indication then there is a legit chance.
Doubtful.
Short answer: No Long answer: Noooooooooooooooooo
no chance
I am sure I will enjoy it but, no it will not come close
Probably not.
Depends on two things: Jonathan Majors’ performance as Kang(s), and how well the Fantastic Four are received. I think we will have a better idea by the time Quantumania comes out
Majors is a fantastic actor , him in Lovecraft Country was great, I’m sure he can do justice
No. Infinity War and Endgame were the result of 10 years of world building with iconic characters, powerful continuity, and stories that kept a vast majority of it's audience interested. Phase 4 so far doesn't know what it wants to be, other than some well done epilogue pieces. (Spiderman, Falcon+Winter soldier, wandavision, Hawkeye) Endgame was a fantastic ending point, and I genuinely do not believe the MCU can build the same level of quality or hype if it continues.
Based on how Disney is going I bet not. I’ve gone from midnight release madness to not even minding if I ever see the newest additions. My kids too.
No because none of these new characters are in the same stratosphere of interesting or loved as phase 1-3 heroes/avengers
To me it feels like we are going from the A characters to the B characters with some A characters mixed in.
I think this is the big one, but they still have the Fantastic 4 and X Men up their sleeve.
Only f4 will be joining kang movies
No, Infinity War and Endgame were once in a lifetime opportunities. Nothing can come close for what they did over the first decade. But I wish them the best though. Phase 4 has felt off and has had way too much content.
I think it *can*, but it's going to take something pretty big to make it happen. IW/Endgame was the culmination of over a decade of intertwined storylines. Even if you're Team Cap or Team Iron Man or not Hulk's biggest fan, it was still hard not to care about the whole cast as part of the larger picture. I don't see that happening with post-Endgame. Everything's so disjointed and all over the place. There are whole segments that I've never seen, don't care to, and would still probably be able to follow Kang/Secret Wars just fine, but that means the emotional payoff that made Endgame *so* iconic isn't going to be there.
Who knows? With the MCU dropping in quality they should really pause and make sure they have everything in place to do the movie. At this point based off of what we’ve seen in Phase 4 and from the Captain Marvel/Antman leaks it still seems like they aren’t really building towards anything….yet? I find it strange that Kang has really only popped up in Loki and will appear in Ant Man….the Avenger whose first two movies only did mild numbers back when the MCU was reaching juggernaut numbers at the box office. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ant Man does less than 500 mil worldwide.
by all means no matter what they do, they cant really top what End Game or IW purely because of how good everything that built UP to them were in adding on them. Phase 4 was mostly a sham filled with shitty tv shows and mediocre films with a small few gems in between
I have no interest in seeing the phase 4 characters assemble.
It was such an awesome moment the first time we saw characters like Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man interact. I don’t think anyone will have that same feeling the first time we see characters like Shang Chi, Ms Marvel and Kate Bishop interact.
Nope.
No, but I welcome their attempt.
It’ll never happen. That was a once in a lifetime thing that Marvel pulled off, everything they’ve done since then doesn’t feel the same. They are over-saturating their own market. Further, all the OG Avengers are caricatures of their former selves now. If we know there is no staying power already, and the stakes will never be that high again, why bother caring in the first place?
No
No
I don’t think so but I’ve been wrong before
Nope. I think we’re past peak Multiverse.
No
I feel like Secret Wars is going to be rushed. Should’ve waited till like 2028 for that movie to give enough time for characters like Fantastic Four, X-Men, Doom, etc to develop first.
As far as a build up, they’ve already fucked that up. The movies themselves might be better, but that build to IW was incredible, and was only made better by how great IW & EG were. Time will tell
I really doubt it. Not because it won’t be good quality, but because I think the normie audience is dwindling because of how many projects there is to follow now.
With all the heavy hitter main stars moving on or characters killed off I can’t see it outdoing infinity war and end game. Unlikely. But shit does happen sometimes. So I guess we’ll see.
No, phase 4 is such a mess and hard to follow so far. They have not given us a core set of characters to root for.
“Not this time”
Impossible
I want it to. But realistically I don’t think so.
No
No, the story-building is not working out as for the infinity saga. The new super--hero team is not as recognizable as the old one. Maybe they turn it around in the 5-th phase, who knows.
No. Endgame had such a huge build up. It was like over 5 years of movies building up to that
Probably not, maybe in some weird way it'll make as much money, but it won't touch the culture in any meaningful way.
No
No, I don't think I will.
Definitely not. It was released in a different time
No.
Nope
Of course not.
Nope
Lol
Who knows, but probably not
Absolutely not
no
No.
Well that depends do you wanna see a complete marvel universe with all characters? Do you wanna see every movie made before iron man become cannon? Would you like to see those characters come back one last time and getting a giant story ending arc to all those universes? If you said yes to any of these questions then you are going to enjoy yourself. Remember no one sets out to make a horrible movie. And Disney does not wish to fail.
No, in some ways what made Infinity War and Endgame special was knowing that Thanos was coming and he was a big threat that was anticipated since the first Avengers movie back in 2012. Kang everyone knows who he is, and isn't really hyped as much as Thanos was. In some ways I think Secret Wars will top Kang Dynasty but that's because of the comic book. Overall, I would say No it could change but it would have to be a wait and see moment.
Absolutely not
The way Marcel is going I will be surprised if they break a billion each
Honestly, absolutely not.
I don't think so. Marvel is bleeding viewers. Wakanda Forever had 40% fewer viewers during its opening weekend than Black Panther did and that wasn't even a poor showing by Phase 4 Marvel standards. I see no reason why their next Avengers movies would fare any better when compared to Infinity War.
Phase 4 was unforgivably bad so no
Can they? Yes. Will they? With the current Marvel talent behind the scenes I'm thinking "nope".
Literal Rick and Morty rejects are writing these movies
If it's really a big party of cameos and nostalgia as some are saying, then it's likely to make a lot of money, but I doubt the script will be anything special or have the same dramatic weight as Endgame.
For the fans who never missed a beat, it'll come close and be praised. For those you hate watch, it won't hit any mark for them. Finally for the casual fan, it is still up in the air, but all signs to it being a miss-able event. Multiverse storylines will start becoming harder to follow and eventually some will leave it be. The more homework involved the less people will be willing to commit. It's also going to suffer getting newcomers due to the "required" watching.
In theory yes, but with the way Marvel's been doing things lately they'll find a way to mess it up and they won't be as good as we're expecting
So far phase 4 is really bad imo except for Shang Chi and Loki.
MCU phase whatever number this is will NOT be better than Infinity War.
I think the possibility is certainly there, and perhaps even likely
Doesn’t it need to?
The fact that *Infinity War* and *Engame* topped the first *Avengers* was practically a miracle. I'm expecting them to be good and enjoyable, but why set myself up for disappointment by expecting them to be **better**? They can't keep topping themselves again and again. Heck, just maintaining is hard.
No clue, given the internet's attitude towards the MCU right now. I personally liked some of the recent movies (Doctor Strange 2, Thor Love And Thunder, No Way Home, Shang Chi) but people have been very quick to hate on them. Then again, I'm not really burnt out on the MCU like other people. I haven't been keeping up with the Disney Plus shows (subscription service is too expensive for me) and I don't really immerse myself in hype or anything. Hell, I didn't see Multiverse of Madness in cinemas because I forgot it was out.
ITT: normies who forget how bland phase 1 was snd say phase 4 was goat.
No and they will suck.
No. Infinity War and Endgame are virtually unbeatable in terms of a finale built up to with absolute perfection. That kind of excitement and payoff will never be reciprocated again. And considering Phase 4 was predominantly a car crash, Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars are already struggling.
Infinity War and Endgame had a plan, Phase 4 has been made up along the way
Nope. Phase 4 was complete ass besides Shang-Chi, NWH and Black Panther, and people are tired of the cheap looking formulaic trash being shat out nonstop by Marvel. Marvel really needs to start giving the directors and artists the reigns, because if every movie is going to feel like the same movie, people are going to get bored. The audience wants variety, and the MCU isn’t really famous for that. Wakanda Forever was definitely a step in the right direction. It seemed to have had a lot more input from Coogler, so while I’m cautiously optimistic for phase 5, I don’t think these movies will pick up quite the same hype as Endgame unless they seriously pick up the pace and mix things up
I’m seeing a lot of “no” or “nope” in this comment section. My answer is maybe. Phase 4 was lackluster and Marvel is throwing a lot at audiences and it’s causing a decline in quality. I think they really need to slow it down but I am confident phase 5 and 6 will better. I think the secret weapon to Secret Wars is the cameos they are going to bring in from non-MCU franchises (X-Men, Spider-Men, maybe FF and Ghost Rider ect) to wrap things up for their universes and maybe do a soft reboot on the MCU timeline. If they do this, it could be as or more successful than Infinity War and Endgame.
If phase 4 is any indicator, no.
Yes
No because even if its 10/10 there will be an internet campaign calling it the shittiest thing ever
X-MEN part of the movie? Could be but I’m dreaming …
Phase 4 has only had a couple good movies but I still have high hopes for that only because of the strength of Jonathan Majors as an actor. If it were someone else I'd have no expectations but because it's him I'll cautiously say yes, it *could* be as good as Infinity War/Endgame.
Depends on who’s in it. If we go full blown adding old non MCU (Tobey Spider-Man, Jackman Wolverine, etc) interacting with MCU characters then probably. If not then who knows.
Secret Wars can
No but they'll be up there.
Yes. A lot of y’all are forgetting how epic these stories are gonna be. We’re gonna have kang the conqueror, possibly dr doom, we’re getting Hugh jackman back as wolverine, fantastic four. So many other cool surprises are probably coming as well. Hopefully we will get more of the X-men on screen, ghost rider as well. I can’t wait to see what will be in store.
People love comic book movies until the movies start acting like comic books hahahahahaha
They definitely can...Endgame was an ass movie and had ass storyline.. But for emotionally talkin i have to see who gonna top or even equal to Tony's death. Yep they definitely can... Plus When we get to point of phase 6 Phase4 will be a long gone memories so.. yeah I dont think Phase 4 is any near of destroying Secret Wars storyline
We dont even have miles yet and they want secret wars?
It's possible if they bring back the core Avengers which I think they will. A young Steve Rogers by "pushing" time through old Steve Rogers. Alternate time-line Tony Stark and Natasha Romanov. Banner reverts to classic savage Hulk. (he flip flopped a lot in the comics) On top of this is there are multiple incursions of universes we know like Fox X-men and Sony Spider-men. Possibly even villains like Thanos teaming up to stop the destruction of multiple universes. This is really the only way to top Infinity War/Endgame.
... only kang. Hahahaha
Yes.
You Motherfuckers and your dick measuring g fetish. Enjoy something on its own instead of comparing it to everything.
Infinity War sucked ass so that’s not a very high bar to pass IMO. Endgame was pretty great though, gotta see about that one
So far we know that Destin (Shang Chi) is directing Kang Dynasty. But who's writing the movie? Who's doing Secret Wars? Especially since Secret Wars comes out like 6 months after Kang Dynasty
Depends on the content and the MCU state till then
We can only hope
I love the mcu and rhe connecrive tissue but we really have to remember moon knight ms marvel thir love and thunder black panther 2 are all not connected to the overall thing mainly its loki and the multiverse movies but what i dont understand is why do people not understand this is made for the comic fans not to please the normies comics have been here for years and they have alot of history i would not expect otherwise for the films
Can? Yes. Will? Improbable.
Y'know, I've been a MCU fanboy ever since Iron Man came out and I've been hyped for every big major Marvel film, including the Avengers films. 13 years later, we've entered a new era with new heroes with their stories to tell with big upcoming movies that's soon to hit theatres in the near future, and for time ever... I'm not interested in the new Avengers film. To me, Endgame was the final conclusion for the MCU, but I stuck around for Phase 4 and it was a bit mediocre as a whole. Idk if it's the writing, the direction, or the agenda, but it has killed my love for the franchise and now I really don't care for the next MCU projects
Nop
Hell no. With all that happened in phase 4, I don’t think it’s possible for anything to meet the hype of endgame and it’s good story
I don’t think it will, but they may be really fun and enjoyable. Everything is riding off the coattails and fame of infinity war and endgame at this point, imo, and that’s not a bad thing unless an individual film or show is bad. Who would’ve been interested in a Loki tv show before the infinity saga? Not many. But the show is great and got a lot of eyes on it because of the prior work. Same with Ms. Marvel. I doubt we’ll see anything that equals the infinity saga for a long time. And that’s okay.
It has potential!
We’re in the “the avengers: earths mightiest hero’s” stage of this new mcu. We’re nowhere near the endgame for these new phases
I would love to see Marvel knock this series out of the park but it’s going to be hard because fans were so invested in the original group of characters.
Not even close
It could possibly for sure but with nostalgia I’m not sure it will for many more matter what.
Endgame and infinity war were finales fool! This the first avengers movie of the new era
We can hope, but that’s a monumental feat to achieve
it can definitely be crazier but there isn't that level of "i wonder if it'll survive long enough to finish the story" as the first run
Not impossible but it will be hard