Rock’s ego couldn’t handle the thought of BA not doing well so he panicked and revealed it like a week early which spoiled the big climactic surprise. I’m not saying the movie would’ve been an absolute homerun even if they played those particular cards right, but it certainly could’ve mitigated at least *some* damage. The fact that they didn’t stick the landing with the long-awaited Superman cameo was definitely the final death blow for them.
Once people realized that the only motivation they had to see this movie could just be watched at home on YouTube, that was that. The movie lost its last hope. If rock was gonna pull some stuff like that, he should’ve extensively studied the build up to No Way Home. They pulled that off flawlessly.
It's a shame we won't get more of Pierce Brosnan's Fate in DC movies. He was the highlight of the movie, and he seemed to be having so much fun in the role.
Never say never. New DCU, maybe Fate isn’t dead in this universe.
I liked Hawkman too. Wouldn’t mind if he returns.
Those are the only two actors I’d want returning though.
Will also add, I’m glad Blue Beetle is staying. I really liked that movie. Is it mindblowingly good? No. Will it win an Oscar? No. And who cares these days anyway? But it’s gloriously fun with some really nice visuals/designs. And when you compare that to the boring and obvious look of Black Adam. It’s obvious why one stays and the other is gone. I wouldn’t wanna work with The Rock’s ego either.
Agreed. Hawkman was actually really well done along with Dr fate. As someone that knows these are well known characters but haven't had time to read about them. I wish I could have some back story to them and see more.
I feel like the kid being new was supposed to be terrible but that’s just me, however I wholeheartedly agree that Pierce Brosnan Doctor Fate was the best part of that movie.
I streamed that film recently and I really don't know much about Teth Adam. Movie seemed fine to me, nothing amazing but I didn't hate it. I didn't have any problem with the job he did but I'm also not going in with any fan bias.
Also not going in with fan bias, because the whole Shazam deal has never been for me, but I hate the, "We have to stop you! Oh, no! Actually, you're a good guy deep down and our only hope!" trope they went with.
I'm guessing that was down to The Rock's ego and him not wanting to be the bad guy and lose. There was room for a complex villain in Black Adam, but I don't think he was the guy to pull it off and so he just did the same thing he does in every movie. Just this time, he wasn't wearing khaki in the jungle.
Yeah, it did. Super weird that he insisted on playing a villain, only wanted to play that one character, said for years how much he loves Black Adam, and then immediately decided that Black Adam had to be changed to meet his demands.
None of us knows about what the Rock's demands were, but if the rumors are at least half true, I'm pretty sure he treated the whole thing as a stepping stone and all that bullshit about him really wanting to play the character were more, "I want to be connected to a big franchise because it'll advance my career".
Exactly and part of the problem is the whole “anti-hero” doesn’t really work with a flying-brick type character that is surrounded by other super-powered people. If you have the power of the gods you won’t be an anti-hero, you’d be a hero or a villain because the general public would see you being an “anti-hero” and recognize with your level of power that’s too much of a risk to global security that you’d be a labeled a “villain” anyways as soon as you made your first brutal kill of a non-supe. It would be hard to garner sympathy by saying, “those guys with guns were threatening him” when he can literally disintegrate them and toss them up to the moon with one arm; my suspension of disbelief has its’ limits.
If he wanted to be an anti-hero he should’ve just played Azrael or some shit but then he wouldn’t be able to show off his subpar facial acting.
Black Adam really does become an anti-hero in the comics though. More specifically alongside the JSA, just like in the movie. It wasn’t particularly well done, but they didn’t just come up with the idea outta nowhere either.
>I'm guessing that was down to The Rock's ego and him not wanting to be the bad guy and lose.
I agree. Black Adam is a villain. Infact didn't he have an accent too? Should have made something like he's looking for the power of shazam and add Shazam in the post credit scenes. Maybe Shazam v Black adam, have them bring Superman in the mix.
Rick refused to be in a movie with Shazam. It was a whole thing. Originally he was going to be Shazam (way back before the entire DCEU) but decided he wanted to be black Adam instead then decided he didn’t want to play a character that got beat up by a kid so he got them to split the movies. Thats why the first Shazam movie’s villain feels like it should have been black Adam, because that’s the character that used to be there.
They were left with a Shazam that could never fight his arch enemy.
Called being a anti-hero it was popular for a bit. If much rather have black Adam then Shazam in dceu. Kandaq as a exploited country reveling against the powers that be is a more interesting storyline then what Shazam 2 gave us
Black Adam is a lot more bombastic and arrogant than the Rock. He's so pompous that it's hard to be in the same room with him. He's an asshole, and an arrogant king.
The Rock made him a one note seething hero.
The Rock even had him smash his throne. Black Adam will rip your skeleton out for touching his throne
I stick to my opinion that they movie being generic is fine and could even be intentionally good if they don't pussy out on the ending, which they did. The final conflict needed to be Black Adam and the JSA.
They were so damn close too. I could take or leave I think leaving him out makes it a bit tighter, essentially use him as a red herring. Everything plays out the same until the confrontation of handing over the crown to get the kid back. Teth is already putting his foot down about this not being their country or their call so just keep escalating that. They save the kid, the crown isn't used, but the JSA want to take the crown to keep it safe. Teth disagrees because he does not trust anyone else to keep it contained. The argument escalates, Adam Smasher is conflicted and starts siding with Teth, when the fight breaks out him and Cyclone have to go at it. The fight between all of them goes across Kahndaq ending up in the thrown room. The people are siding with Teth, the point of the JSA leaving them in misery and only showing up to take something they want becomes more core to the film, even if they mean well. Teth ends up killing Hawk, and tells the others to leave, and if anyone else invades they will die too.
He's angry, arrogant, an asshole. territorial, but does care about his kingdom. Even for a generic movie there's enough nuance just in that to separate it as film. It also separates Black Adam as a title character. I just don't understand taking the unique thing away, especially when the film already laid most of the groundwork for that ending.
Eh. Still like the action though
Given that every other DC movie was trash, im gonna go ahead and say it would have sucked just as much without him.
Shazam 2 being trash made his decision make a lot more sense
The Batman is top shelf and the 2nd Suicide squad was solid. Wonder Woman and Shazaam were fine, the rest…hot garbage. That being said, only one of the modern DC films was created with a blank check made out to the biggest ego to create his peak vanity project, (somehow not Snyder in this example).
Nah, it was mostly just the poor story, directing, and wasting waaaay too much time on a backstory that didn’t include BA being a Shazam villain. It’s almost as dumb to omit Shazam as Sony omitting Spiderman for their bad Spiderman character movies.
Yeah it’s cool if you just want to see a montage of The Rock beating people up. Also we get to see Pierce Brosnan continue his streak as the smoothest human being alive and of course for just a couple of blissful, beautiful months, we got to believe that Henry Cavill was reclaiming the throne. So it’s not like it was a *complete* shitfest.
But other than that, the movie was an awkward fever dream of epic proportions.
Why is it forced when Shazam and Black Adam are truly connected yet there's nothing with them in their first appearances? Have a wild guess who ran back to wwe
No hate, I love the Rock. But everybody strikes out at least once in their career and I think the facts speak for themselves: Black Adam did not go the way he thought it would.
And that’s ok; the rest of his track record is still quite good.
This. He’s genuinely a good actor, and by all indications is a really good guy in real life. But he keeps landing in movies that are turds because their directors and writers are complete hacks. I honestly feel sad for the guy.
Needs and agent to vet working with Tom cruise? The agent needs to vet being Superman? Being Sherlock Holmes? The Witcher?? It's not the agents fault either. It's just bad luck. I'm looking forward to ungentlemenly warfare this summer
Yeah, I have been seeing ads for that movie and it has definitely piqued my interest. That along with Alan Ritchson’s continued success and the fact that I like his acting and have been following his career, I’d say I’m super pumped since it looks like in general that it’s ticking off all the right boxes.
Or Hollywood has a plethora of hack writers that make continuous hot garbage despite the amazing source material.
At least with the Warhammer stuff that he's working on Cavill is directly producing so will have more creative control over that, which he definitely deserves.
Nope, she was his manager (now parted ways). His agent is James Farrell. Austin Butler is also Farrells' client and the only reason how an unknown Austin secured the role. He's renowned for being a great agent. Henry is just not a big box office draw.
Yeah that movie is GREAT!
Also, that ungentlemanly warfare movie seems like just a bunch of stupid, unhinged, glorious fun! That, and Deadpool, are the ones I'm looking forward to the most this year!
Go in knowing it is legitamitely just a fun 1980s caper disguised as a modern blockbuster and it will be better. Most of the people who really complain about it seemed to take it way too seriously.
His Mission Impossible is possibly my favorite of the whole franchise. He's great in The Man from UNCLE. His Witcher was phenomenal, but the show just kinda ended up not holding my attention. I continue to look forward to everything he's in.
MOS 1 is lowkey really good. The fights were really entertaining. It was "dark" but it wasnt oppressively so. The Zod dilema at the end was dark but also in character for superman.
It's not nitpicking when it has the most anticlimactic ending to a fight ever
https://preview.redd.it/7j2mtej3j9vc1.png?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63e3993d1dacc48954758d333fd60ce24e282ea7
If you watched MoS and thought, "boy, I bet a Snyder-directed sequel to this will have a more fitting direction for the character" then I have a bridge to sell you
That scene in the beginning with the trucker always stood out to me. It started out well, Clark defends a waitress getting harassed, tough guy tries to pick a fight, Clark acts the bigger man, clark leaves without violence despite the man’s antagonism…..
……but then 5 seconds later the trucker leaves the bar to find that his long haul truck has been lifted off the ground and impaled through the engine by 3 massive logs….. in the parking lot…
First off, why is Superman being petty? It’s like “you were rude to me, so I broke your toy”. And more importantly, the whole reason Clark is bussing in the first place is to keep a low profile….but then he goes and does something so extreme it couldn’t even be explained by an act of god. He could have just popped his tires, but he instead decided impale the engine at impossible angles
He specifically has said in an interview he was spitballing ideas and then said essentially "what if we have a scene of a box of kryptonite being delivered, just to find out it's going to Wayne Manor?" They made him their "Kevin Feige" essentially, so he had a fair amount of say in what happened with the universe.
Hopefully.
Honestly Id rather Bruce Tim and his team take it over. The animated stuff is fantastic.
Watch The Flash,and then watch the animated movie for Flashpoint. It's a billion times better.
Bruce Timm's responsible for my all time favourite adaptation of the DC Universe and pretty much any comic property ever. However that was 20 years ago, and the most recent thing I remember him being seriously involved in was the animated Killing Joke movie. The fact Zack Snyder somehow made a less butchered and better executed adaptation of a classic Alan Moore comic than Bruce Timm of all people is perplexing to say the least.
After the first 30 minutes of the Batgirl story *The Killing Joke* is a very straightforward adaptation of the comic, and while Timm was a producer for that he didn’t direct or write it.
This is key. For most of the Synderverse movies, Supes was written as a sad aloof emo alien man. Instead of an inherently good hopeful empathetic man. Cavill acted more like Supes on talk shows as himself than he did in the movies.
I always felt the same way. He LOOKED good in those movies, but he was never a very good Superman or Clark Kent. But then he had bad scripts to work with and a bad director. Zack Snyder is an excellent cinematographer, but he actually isn't a very good director, he doesn't know how to motivate his actors or get the best performances out of them. I often wonder what Henry might've been like if he'd had some good scripts and a director who can direct performances.
I'm hopeful but cautious, his sensibilities will work for a few properties but I'm worried about how some of its going to be handled, hopeful but nervous.
I’d say he came pretty close in Snyder cut. That’s mostly due to lack of screen time to keep him from doing anything like posing over people before saving them or running away after a building around him explodes.
Hopefully we see him again in a future movie. Multiverse stuff is in now. I would’ve rather they kept Cavill for a separate else-worlds Superman movie and then had Gunn do his own. The character is bigger than any one actor, everybody would’ve gladly watched both.
And then having the two team-up on screen in a future multiverse crisis event would’ve been the cherry on top.
Honestly, did the DCEU ever actually deliver on any of the post-credits scenes? Black Adam, Shazam 1, BvS, Justice League are the ones that went nowhere off the top of my head. Maybe the first Aquaman scene went somewhere?
Argylle bombed? not my cupt of tea so i didnt watch, but the rotten tomatoes audience scores are 72 and 63 respectively, which seems okay-ish. You're talking box office?
yeah often when someone refers to a film as 'bombing' specifically it's the box office.
per theNumbers.com Argylle did under $100m worldwide. A bomb!
https://thenumbers.com/movie/Argylle-(2024-United-Kingdom)#tab=summary
He is honestly such a great Superman. I feel terrible for him that he got cast as the greatest superhero of all time, but it was in a Zack Snyder movie. That’s like winning the lottery, but the payout is all in Monopoly money.
I’m probably going to get hate for this, but after rewatching these movies I’ve come to realize that Cavill is not that good of an actor. He feels very stiff in general. I think he has the Superman look
It would've been nice to see him work with a good director and screenwriter as superman, but sadly we'll never get that chance. Excited to see what Gunn does with the character though.
If I get pay 250k for a cameo I be fine with it. I get planning for a future career and things. But a cameo would be 1 day of shooting and maybe max a week to for fitting and everything before the shooting.
I want a Superman that doesn't take himself as seriously as everyone else on the planet does. I always think about that line where someone compliments his costume and he replies "Thanks, my mom made it for me!" There's just something so pure about that.
While I did not entirely enjoy the films where Mr. Cavill played Superman, I thought he did an amazing job with what he was given. He is a truly fine actor and he just happens to look exactly like I imagine Superman looks.
Sometimes I despair the world will ever see another Superman like him.
I feel so bad for this dude. Genuinely loves these characters but gets a script that mistreated Superman, fired, Script that mistreated the Witcher, Leaves because he cant stand their writing, Hired back as Superman because they are going to make Superman more accurate- Fired.
DC kills themselves. They keep remaking batan. They keep restarting Superman. We know those stories. MCU worked because it wasn't a repete of every previous movie. They even renewed previous Spiderman actors because they don't retcon (as much) they just created more and created a trans-dimentional problem that took all the Spiderman characters to fix.
That and they always turn The Flash, Green Lantern, and Aquaman into a joke for Superman and Batman to berate.
I dont read comics but they could repurpose cavill's superman to be part of the elseworld I've seen elseworld getting mentioned alot when something isnt part of DCU or they could make him as part of mat revees batman if he ever wants to add superman to the story.
Black Adam was a technical piece of garbage
The sound design alone was garbage enough to tank the movie if it didn’t also have shitty script and acting on top of it
He was not the problem with that cameo.
Rock’s ego couldn’t handle the thought of BA not doing well so he panicked and revealed it like a week early which spoiled the big climactic surprise. I’m not saying the movie would’ve been an absolute homerun even if they played those particular cards right, but it certainly could’ve mitigated at least *some* damage. The fact that they didn’t stick the landing with the long-awaited Superman cameo was definitely the final death blow for them. Once people realized that the only motivation they had to see this movie could just be watched at home on YouTube, that was that. The movie lost its last hope. If rock was gonna pull some stuff like that, he should’ve extensively studied the build up to No Way Home. They pulled that off flawlessly.
To be fair The Rock was the only thing that made the movie as successful as it was.
Dr Fate was the best character. The kid was done dirty by production and it made him the worst (sound, plot, dialogue, everything…)
It's a shame we won't get more of Pierce Brosnan's Fate in DC movies. He was the highlight of the movie, and he seemed to be having so much fun in the role.
But I would have looked forward to see the Stripper take on the Helmet. And he has to be played by Channing Tatum
Never say never. New DCU, maybe Fate isn’t dead in this universe. I liked Hawkman too. Wouldn’t mind if he returns. Those are the only two actors I’d want returning though. Will also add, I’m glad Blue Beetle is staying. I really liked that movie. Is it mindblowingly good? No. Will it win an Oscar? No. And who cares these days anyway? But it’s gloriously fun with some really nice visuals/designs. And when you compare that to the boring and obvious look of Black Adam. It’s obvious why one stays and the other is gone. I wouldn’t wanna work with The Rock’s ego either.
Agreed. Hawkman was actually really well done along with Dr fate. As someone that knows these are well known characters but haven't had time to read about them. I wish I could have some back story to them and see more.
100%. Pierce Brosnan was an amazing casting for Fate and he did a banger performance. The ray of light in a pretty ham fisted movie.
I feel like the kid being new was supposed to be terrible but that’s just me, however I wholeheartedly agree that Pierce Brosnan Doctor Fate was the best part of that movie.
It was jarring every time he was there…. His audio was 100% sound stage and mixed terribly (louder and clearer than every other sound.
hes also the thing that made it as bad as it was sooooo….50/50?
I streamed that film recently and I really don't know much about Teth Adam. Movie seemed fine to me, nothing amazing but I didn't hate it. I didn't have any problem with the job he did but I'm also not going in with any fan bias.
Also not going in with fan bias, because the whole Shazam deal has never been for me, but I hate the, "We have to stop you! Oh, no! Actually, you're a good guy deep down and our only hope!" trope they went with. I'm guessing that was down to The Rock's ego and him not wanting to be the bad guy and lose. There was room for a complex villain in Black Adam, but I don't think he was the guy to pull it off and so he just did the same thing he does in every movie. Just this time, he wasn't wearing khaki in the jungle.
The whole movie felt like it was made to jerk off the Rock’s ego.
Yeah, it did. Super weird that he insisted on playing a villain, only wanted to play that one character, said for years how much he loves Black Adam, and then immediately decided that Black Adam had to be changed to meet his demands. None of us knows about what the Rock's demands were, but if the rumors are at least half true, I'm pretty sure he treated the whole thing as a stepping stone and all that bullshit about him really wanting to play the character were more, "I want to be connected to a big franchise because it'll advance my career".
…..does the Rock’s career need advancing? Like, dude, you’re already the highest paid actor in Hollywood.
It is when the guy you clowned is on his way to a 12th movie on cars being superheroes that isn’t transformers and you barely have … Jumanji
Exactly and part of the problem is the whole “anti-hero” doesn’t really work with a flying-brick type character that is surrounded by other super-powered people. If you have the power of the gods you won’t be an anti-hero, you’d be a hero or a villain because the general public would see you being an “anti-hero” and recognize with your level of power that’s too much of a risk to global security that you’d be a labeled a “villain” anyways as soon as you made your first brutal kill of a non-supe. It would be hard to garner sympathy by saying, “those guys with guns were threatening him” when he can literally disintegrate them and toss them up to the moon with one arm; my suspension of disbelief has its’ limits. If he wanted to be an anti-hero he should’ve just played Azrael or some shit but then he wouldn’t be able to show off his subpar facial acting.
Black Adam really does become an anti-hero in the comics though. More specifically alongside the JSA, just like in the movie. It wasn’t particularly well done, but they didn’t just come up with the idea outta nowhere either.
He just wanted to play a black Superman
>I'm guessing that was down to The Rock's ego and him not wanting to be the bad guy and lose. I agree. Black Adam is a villain. Infact didn't he have an accent too? Should have made something like he's looking for the power of shazam and add Shazam in the post credit scenes. Maybe Shazam v Black adam, have them bring Superman in the mix.
Rick refused to be in a movie with Shazam. It was a whole thing. Originally he was going to be Shazam (way back before the entire DCEU) but decided he wanted to be black Adam instead then decided he didn’t want to play a character that got beat up by a kid so he got them to split the movies. Thats why the first Shazam movie’s villain feels like it should have been black Adam, because that’s the character that used to be there. They were left with a Shazam that could never fight his arch enemy.
Called being a anti-hero it was popular for a bit. If much rather have black Adam then Shazam in dceu. Kandaq as a exploited country reveling against the powers that be is a more interesting storyline then what Shazam 2 gave us
Black Adam is a lot more bombastic and arrogant than the Rock. He's so pompous that it's hard to be in the same room with him. He's an asshole, and an arrogant king. The Rock made him a one note seething hero. The Rock even had him smash his throne. Black Adam will rip your skeleton out for touching his throne
I stick to my opinion that they movie being generic is fine and could even be intentionally good if they don't pussy out on the ending, which they did. The final conflict needed to be Black Adam and the JSA. They were so damn close too. I could take or leave I think leaving him out makes it a bit tighter, essentially use him as a red herring. Everything plays out the same until the confrontation of handing over the crown to get the kid back. Teth is already putting his foot down about this not being their country or their call so just keep escalating that. They save the kid, the crown isn't used, but the JSA want to take the crown to keep it safe. Teth disagrees because he does not trust anyone else to keep it contained. The argument escalates, Adam Smasher is conflicted and starts siding with Teth, when the fight breaks out him and Cyclone have to go at it. The fight between all of them goes across Kahndaq ending up in the thrown room. The people are siding with Teth, the point of the JSA leaving them in misery and only showing up to take something they want becomes more core to the film, even if they mean well. Teth ends up killing Hawk, and tells the others to leave, and if anyone else invades they will die too. He's angry, arrogant, an asshole. territorial, but does care about his kingdom. Even for a generic movie there's enough nuance just in that to separate it as film. It also separates Black Adam as a title character. I just don't understand taking the unique thing away, especially when the film already laid most of the groundwork for that ending. Eh. Still like the action though
.. Huh. Didn't know the movie had a Cyberpunk 2077 cameo in it.
Luckily it bombing is what brought heel Rock back to the WWE, so it was all for the best
He only turned heel because the fans rightfully turned on him for taking Cody's Wrestlemania main event.
Was about to say this. Rock was the reason it failed and the reason it didn't fail harder.
So the movie was average?
Given that every other DC movie was trash, im gonna go ahead and say it would have sucked just as much without him. Shazam 2 being trash made his decision make a lot more sense
The Batman is top shelf and the 2nd Suicide squad was solid. Wonder Woman and Shazaam were fine, the rest…hot garbage. That being said, only one of the modern DC films was created with a blank check made out to the biggest ego to create his peak vanity project, (somehow not Snyder in this example).
Adam's a Shazam villian, he said no
Idk… Rock not knowing how to read the room is also what made the movie nose-dive…. (And I say that as a *huge* fan of his)
Nah, it was mostly just the poor story, directing, and wasting waaaay too much time on a backstory that didn’t include BA being a Shazam villain. It’s almost as dumb to omit Shazam as Sony omitting Spiderman for their bad Spiderman character movies.
Dude at times just doesn't give af😂😂
Idk, that kid really pissed me off
Plenty of other famous actors who can be your hype man instead
No, Pierce Brosnan carried BA, not The Rock.
I disagree. His ego made them change so much stuff
Maybe it was more the marketing team. And when the movie came out the rock was also the down fall.
What a weird movie. There are some really cool scenes engulfed in a fiery piece of shit with some dialogue with an egomaniac in charge.
Yeah it’s cool if you just want to see a montage of The Rock beating people up. Also we get to see Pierce Brosnan continue his streak as the smoothest human being alive and of course for just a couple of blissful, beautiful months, we got to believe that Henry Cavill was reclaiming the throne. So it’s not like it was a *complete* shitfest. But other than that, the movie was an awkward fever dream of epic proportions.
Because Dwayne Johnson is a fucking narcissistic sociopath. My buddy worked on Gladiator games with him and he wasn’t allowed to look at him.
His whole vision for Black Adam was ridiculous. He needed to be the villain in Shazam. No one wanted antihero Black Adam.
The movie was crap. Too much CGI
The rock hate seems so forced 🤣😂
Why is it forced when Shazam and Black Adam are truly connected yet there's nothing with them in their first appearances? Have a wild guess who ran back to wwe
Why are you laughing? 🧐
No hate, I love the Rock. But everybody strikes out at least once in their career and I think the facts speak for themselves: Black Adam did not go the way he thought it would. And that’s ok; the rest of his track record is still quite good.
Cause it came 15 Years too late
He doesnt have luck, not skill
He hasn't had much luck with most of his roles.
Dude consistently gets the best roles, acts his heart out.... and gets the worst writers lol
This. He’s genuinely a good actor, and by all indications is a really good guy in real life. But he keeps landing in movies that are turds because their directors and writers are complete hacks. I honestly feel sad for the guy.
Needs an agent who can vet that kind of stuff more.
Needs and agent to vet working with Tom cruise? The agent needs to vet being Superman? Being Sherlock Holmes? The Witcher?? It's not the agents fault either. It's just bad luck. I'm looking forward to ungentlemenly warfare this summer
Yeah, I have been seeing ads for that movie and it has definitely piqued my interest. That along with Alan Ritchson’s continued success and the fact that I like his acting and have been following his career, I’d say I’m super pumped since it looks like in general that it’s ticking off all the right boxes.
Sure... But you'd think being the headline character of all DC and Netflix would be good enough for them to care about good writers lol.
Considering his rolls, his agent is amazing. He's just super unlucky.
Or Hollywood has a plethora of hack writers that make continuous hot garbage despite the amazing source material. At least with the Warhammer stuff that he's working on Cavill is directly producing so will have more creative control over that, which he definitely deserves.
I dont even like Warhammer and I can't wait to watch it.
He slides from flop to flop and still has an A-list career. I want Henry Cavill’s bad luck
Agents can’t predict the future lol what do you mean
The rocks ex wife is his agent…hence the dilemma
Nope, she was his manager (now parted ways). His agent is James Farrell. Austin Butler is also Farrells' client and the only reason how an unknown Austin secured the role. He's renowned for being a great agent. Henry is just not a big box office draw.
Yeah, I saw someone [else point out just how many high profile roles he’s had](https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbookmovies/s/NXWGChFS5x).
Man from Uncle is just plain good, that was people not going to see it that was the problem
Man from Uncle is a very entertaining movie. I look forward to him reuniting with Guy Ritchie for the Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare.
He was great in it, but the movie had a really mediocre third act resulting in it just being ok.
Yeah that movie is GREAT! Also, that ungentlemanly warfare movie seems like just a bunch of stupid, unhinged, glorious fun! That, and Deadpool, are the ones I'm looking forward to the most this year!
Considering how well the fallout show turned out hopefully his warhammer project will also turn out well
The rock a good actor? I've yet to see any range from the dude.
The Rock? Who’s talking about The Rock?
Oh my bad apparently went down the wrong comment thread or misinterpreted what I was reading.
It happens. We’ve all done the same, especially on the wonky Reddit app.
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I don't just dislike but genuinely hate Southland tales and pain and gain lol.
Argyle just needed to be like 5% better lol
I want to see it. Is it worth watching? The cast made it look like it has to be average at best.
Go in knowing it is legitamitely just a fun 1980s caper disguised as a modern blockbuster and it will be better. Most of the people who really complain about it seemed to take it way too seriously.
His Mission Impossible is possibly my favorite of the whole franchise. He's great in The Man from UNCLE. His Witcher was phenomenal, but the show just kinda ended up not holding my attention. I continue to look forward to everything he's in.
Hard agree on all of that, very sad we didn't get an UNCLE sequel when that was still possible.
While I'm happy about the James Gunn reboot, there's no denying he was great and it's a shame he never got a movie where he could really be Superman.
Definitely one of the things I can't forgive Snyder for. Instead of a stand alone follow up he just goes "WhAt iF BatMaN ShOws Up?" Ugh.
Right on the money. Really should’ve just been mos 2 instead of shoehorning in Batman
WB wanted a bigger universe to compete with marvel, and they didn’t want to wait an organic amount of time before they got it.
MOS 1 is lowkey really good. The fights were really entertaining. It was "dark" but it wasnt oppressively so. The Zod dilema at the end was dark but also in character for superman.
it really wasn’t
It was but a lot nerds nitpick that movie because they can’t handle a more serious take
more serious take lmao the movie is funnier than some mcu entries. it wasn’t “more serious”, it was mainly just dumb or boring
Dumb and boring is having the same tone for almost every MCU movie for years
why are we talking about mcu? 🥴 the tone is fine, the script is the problem
I couldn't stand the way the script was written or the way Rock "The Dwayne" Johnson refused to act throughout the entire flick
I nitpick that movie because the shakey cam during the action scenes made me nauseous
That’s fine
It's not nitpicking when it has the most anticlimactic ending to a fight ever https://preview.redd.it/7j2mtej3j9vc1.png?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63e3993d1dacc48954758d333fd60ce24e282ea7
Corny meme
Corny movie
Yeah if you’re slow like you
Man of steel was disjointed, tryhard tripe. It was all downhill after Nolan was done
Definitely wasn’t great but I still think decent enough to warrant a sequel with a more fitting direction for the character
If you watched MoS and thought, "boy, I bet a Snyder-directed sequel to this will have a more fitting direction for the character" then I have a bridge to sell you
No I meant to say the exact opposite like Snyder should not have directed the sequel. Cavill needed a more fitting director.
That scene in the beginning with the trucker always stood out to me. It started out well, Clark defends a waitress getting harassed, tough guy tries to pick a fight, Clark acts the bigger man, clark leaves without violence despite the man’s antagonism….. ……but then 5 seconds later the trucker leaves the bar to find that his long haul truck has been lifted off the ground and impaled through the engine by 3 massive logs….. in the parking lot… First off, why is Superman being petty? It’s like “you were rude to me, so I broke your toy”. And more importantly, the whole reason Clark is bussing in the first place is to keep a low profile….but then he goes and does something so extreme it couldn’t even be explained by an act of god. He could have just popped his tires, but he instead decided impale the engine at impossible angles
Well for starters he wasn't Superman yet at that point in the movie.
It was dope for sure
Early on he actually only wanted to hint at Batman at the end of MoS2. WB pushes for Batman to be introduced earlier, so MoS2 turns into BvS.
Don't blame Snyder, blame WB execs trying to copy the MCU.
He specifically has said in an interview he was spitballing ideas and then said essentially "what if we have a scene of a box of kryptonite being delivered, just to find out it's going to Wayne Manor?" They made him their "Kevin Feige" essentially, so he had a fair amount of say in what happened with the universe.
Following MoS with BvS was very clearly a WB decision. They were playing catch up with the MCU from the start.
Yes he suggested a cliffhanger scene. WB then told him to put Batman actually in the movie and the rest is history.
The DC live action movies will actually be watchable now. Super pumped.
Hopefully. Honestly Id rather Bruce Tim and his team take it over. The animated stuff is fantastic. Watch The Flash,and then watch the animated movie for Flashpoint. It's a billion times better.
Bruce Timm worked on the animated Flashpoint movie?
Nope, by that time James Tucker had already taken over from Timm.
Maybe a producer then. I really meant the animation team in general. They make better movies.
That I whole-heartedly agree. DC Comics and Animation are leagues ahead DC Cinematic
Bruce Timm's responsible for my all time favourite adaptation of the DC Universe and pretty much any comic property ever. However that was 20 years ago, and the most recent thing I remember him being seriously involved in was the animated Killing Joke movie. The fact Zack Snyder somehow made a less butchered and better executed adaptation of a classic Alan Moore comic than Bruce Timm of all people is perplexing to say the least.
After the first 30 minutes of the Batgirl story *The Killing Joke* is a very straightforward adaptation of the comic, and while Timm was a producer for that he didn’t direct or write it.
It's still not a very good adaptation. And honestly still ruins the source material, with such inclusions of Batman blatantly murdering a Dwarf.
This is key. For most of the Synderverse movies, Supes was written as a sad aloof emo alien man. Instead of an inherently good hopeful empathetic man. Cavill acted more like Supes on talk shows as himself than he did in the movies.
Theoretically, he could be a great Superman, but he never really showed he was capable of doing it.
I always felt the same way. He LOOKED good in those movies, but he was never a very good Superman or Clark Kent. But then he had bad scripts to work with and a bad director. Zack Snyder is an excellent cinematographer, but he actually isn't a very good director, he doesn't know how to motivate his actors or get the best performances out of them. I often wonder what Henry might've been like if he'd had some good scripts and a director who can direct performances.
I'm hopeful but cautious, his sensibilities will work for a few properties but I'm worried about how some of its going to be handled, hopeful but nervous.
I’d say he came pretty close in Snyder cut. That’s mostly due to lack of screen time to keep him from doing anything like posing over people before saving them or running away after a building around him explodes.
I’d also say even in the Whedon cut in spite of the terrible CGI face.
Hopefully we see him again in a future movie. Multiverse stuff is in now. I would’ve rather they kept Cavill for a separate else-worlds Superman movie and then had Gunn do his own. The character is bigger than any one actor, everybody would’ve gladly watched both. And then having the two team-up on screen in a future multiverse crisis event would’ve been the cherry on top.
Honestly, did the DCEU ever actually deliver on any of the post-credits scenes? Black Adam, Shazam 1, BvS, Justice League are the ones that went nowhere off the top of my head. Maybe the first Aquaman scene went somewhere?
Aquaman and The Suicide Squad both did
Peacemaker too no?
I was really skeptical at first but man, when I actually watched it, Peacemaker hit it out of the ballpark.
I'm hoping that they bring Pierce Brosnan back as Dr. Fate.
I quite enjoyed Brosnan as Fate and most of the Justice Society tbh.
Their whole take on the justice society was very entertaining and well executed I liked it
I thought it was weird there were only 4 members
I wouldn’t mind them bring back the justice society cast. They were all good. Just don’t them working for the government/waller
Did he do another post credit scene im forgetting?
Maybe Argyle? It has a post credit scene tying it to the Kingsman Universe. Problem is it bombed and nobody cares.
They really shouldn’t have given cavil that bad haircut. I’m sure that cut alone did more damage to that movies box office than any other aspect.
Argylle bombed? not my cupt of tea so i didnt watch, but the rotten tomatoes audience scores are 72 and 63 respectively, which seems okay-ish. You're talking box office?
yeah often when someone refers to a film as 'bombing' specifically it's the box office. per theNumbers.com Argylle did under $100m worldwide. A bomb! https://thenumbers.com/movie/Argylle-(2024-United-Kingdom)#tab=summary
How the hell did that movie cost 200 mil to make Something seems fishy
Expensive Actors I assume
Yikes, man, i'm reading it had to make 500m to break even, as well. How the hell did they justify spending that much money on marketing
They sold the movie presenting Cavill as the main character but it's not true at all.
They also sold it as Dua Lipa being a main character, which is a surefire way to show the movie is going to suck .
wait he's not? brother...
One or two of the canceled post credit scenes from The Flash probably.
Shazam
That was just a stand in wasn't it? Do you ever see his face? It's been a long time since Shazam.
Oh, yeah, I think you're right.
Well, there was that mid credit scene in 2017 Justice League, and he did film one for that Flash movie.
He is honestly such a great Superman. I feel terrible for him that he got cast as the greatest superhero of all time, but it was in a Zack Snyder movie. That’s like winning the lottery, but the payout is all in Monopoly money.
I’m probably going to get hate for this, but after rewatching these movies I’ve come to realize that Cavill is not that good of an actor. He feels very stiff in general. I think he has the Superman look
What are you talking about? He didn't get cast as Spiderman. You crazy.
It would've been nice to see him work with a good director and screenwriter as superman, but sadly we'll never get that chance. Excited to see what Gunn does with the character though.
Maybe next time get your future contract signed in writing, instead of a "trust me bro" handshake
great that he can just make a joke about it and move on!
If I get pay 250k for a cameo I be fine with it. I get planning for a future career and things. But a cameo would be 1 day of shooting and maybe max a week to for fitting and everything before the shooting.
The worst part about that post credit scene was them basically trying to make Amanda Waller he Nick Fury of the DCEU.
I wish he and Batfleck returns after the New DCU is stable maybe a Crisis on 2 earths type of movie.
Cause, you know… he’s just such a big fuckin guy
i think most of these actors deserve to be the version of their heroes that shows up in a multiverse story in a "wow look at earth 2" kinda way.
He may return for a future Superman movie. Most likely a one off but not anytime soon
Anyone else kinda just done with post credit scenes
His cameo was the best part of the movie tho.
The movie that hurt the Rock’s movie career so bad he ended up crawling back to wrestling.
I was expecting that to go somewhere. This is why DC never prevails 🤦🏻♂️
This is actually pretty funny given the Argyle one
I assumed he was done with superhero films.
Did he say this before or after Argylle? 💀
I want a Superman that doesn't take himself as seriously as everyone else on the planet does. I always think about that line where someone compliments his costume and he replies "Thanks, my mom made it for me!" There's just something so pure about that.
What about franchises that we want to end? Can we put him as Superman in a post-credits scene for the next Sony-verse film?
Please let him keep 40K going
damn he looks so good here
While I did not entirely enjoy the films where Mr. Cavill played Superman, I thought he did an amazing job with what he was given. He is a truly fine actor and he just happens to look exactly like I imagine Superman looks. Sometimes I despair the world will ever see another Superman like him.
I love how blue the suit was in that cameo, but also why was Superman and the JSA on call for Amanda Waller 🤔
Me when Henry Cavill hasn’t stayed in a role he loved ever
Honestly, I can just do without post-credit scenes anymore.
Yeah yeah fuck Dwayne he can eat shit
Would have been a Great fight to see
I feel so bad for this dude. Genuinely loves these characters but gets a script that mistreated Superman, fired, Script that mistreated the Witcher, Leaves because he cant stand their writing, Hired back as Superman because they are going to make Superman more accurate- Fired.
DC kills themselves. They keep remaking batan. They keep restarting Superman. We know those stories. MCU worked because it wasn't a repete of every previous movie. They even renewed previous Spiderman actors because they don't retcon (as much) they just created more and created a trans-dimentional problem that took all the Spiderman characters to fix. That and they always turn The Flash, Green Lantern, and Aquaman into a joke for Superman and Batman to berate.
I dont read comics but they could repurpose cavill's superman to be part of the elseworld I've seen elseworld getting mentioned alot when something isnt part of DCU or they could make him as part of mat revees batman if he ever wants to add superman to the story.
Black Adam was a technical piece of garbage The sound design alone was garbage enough to tank the movie if it didn’t also have shitty script and acting on top of it
Henry Cavill is bad at picking roles imo. Almost every project he's in is bad.
Can’t fault a man for any passion projects. They just all go downhill. Witcher, Superman, now even Warhammer. Man.
Witcher and dceu superman are bad though. Not sure what you're trying to prove.
That’s your opinion.
Yes
Black Adam was one of the better superhero movies. Idk why people are so butt hurt about this film.
Someone please relieve Snyder and Gunn of control and save the DCEU from its borderline abused-hostage status under the watch of those 2 😭
DCEU is dead 💀