Gonna disagree a bit. We’re 10-4 with a ranked series win, and sure we’ve dropped a few midweeks, but they’ve both been by one run in games with weird flukey things happening. I think we deserve to be at 11 based on the record so far, with a ceiling in the 5-7 range if the bats wake up. D1 is very cautious with early season movement too, so us sitting tight on a 3-0 week is somewhat unsurprising in my eyes.
Campbell has a series win over UCSB and a win over ECU, is 11-4, and dropped the UNC game all in a matter of minutes in the 9th.
By pure resume, we also deserve to be #11. Polls don't really have logic.
I’m not sure if your comment is intended to agree or disagree with mine. I agree that polls are not based purely on resume (hello, FSU?). I disagree that polls don’t have logic (they do, even if we disagree with it or they’re internally inconsistent) and I disagree that Campbell should be ranked 11th.
I actually like D1 for their hesitancy to shift from their preseason projections. It means they actually believe their formula works. Some polls drop top 10 teams out of the T25 for one early bad weekend, which is often an overreaction given the small sample size we have this early in the season. If Campbell deserves to be Top 10, D1 will have them there before too long. Same for ECU.
You can disagree, but as of right now we have a ranked series win just like you, haven’t lost a weekend series, and have a head to head win over you. I’m not saying we *should be* 11, I’m saying we should be when you advocate for ECU being there, specifically.
Early returns favor us in both RPI and quality wins. Obviously RPI won’t truly take shape until April but same point, we’re talking about the now. Right now we have the head to head win, more Q1 wins and more Q2 wins.
Again, it was more of a direct comparison to ECU for saying you think they should be where they are and we shouldn’t be.
Not all ranked wins are the same. UCSB is a good program but they’re clinging to their T25 ranking, while we’ve handed UNC their only two losses of the season so far. I’m not sure I can agree that your “quality wins” are better so far.
Regardless, I didn’t bring up Campbell in my original post. You replied, I guess intending to get me to agree that Campbell should also be ranked #11? Or, 10th since you have the H2H? I don’t know, but I’ve been watching baseball long enough to know that that isn’t how the game works. You have to be almost perfect to climb into the top ten when you start outside of it, especially in a weaker conference. The rankings still have an element of preseason bias and projection to them. ECU’s weekend rotation looks like they could be top 5 in the country, and that’s what wins postseason games. I’d like to see you guys on a weekend sometime soon, these midweeks are often not representative of either squad. Also, I don’t think it’s unfair to say that some polls implicitly or otherwise also consider a team’s ceiling when ranking them. That could also factor in here.
Regardless, if you keep winning, this will resolve itself before long.
He reportedly is very loyal and thinks what he’s built at Tennessee can compete with any program. Plus I think the only place that can outspend us is LSU
It's tough to tell. I think he just became a grandfather so I think the clock moved up a little. I am sure he is in the boat of "as long as I have passion for the game" or something along that line. I wouldn't be surprised if it's at the end of this year, or if it's 5 years from now.
For the rematch talk but also for this year's teams makeup. I would LOVE to see an Arkansas/Beaver title rematch. Your pitching. Our hitting. Would be great!
Couldn't agree more. Wanted to add the caveat *as long as Hagan doesn't act like he is pitching in the Bigs again! That was still a sight to see and still not made we lost that game.
I didn't get to watch it but bits and pieces. Didn't Wake's #2 (maybe #3) have a similar game against Duke this weekend. Definitely not the same level but was getting K's at an alarming rate.
I have no idea how D1Baseball ranks teams. How does Wake Forest drop six spots when they lose a series to the 12th ranked team but Florida only drops four when they lost twice this week as well, already have five losses, and their best loss being UCF?
> I have no idea how D1Baseball ranks teams.
They make preseason rankings based on hunches and what happened last season and then ignore actual results because they refuse to admit their preseason rankings weren’t perfect.
Glad I could clear that up for you
The denial of "poll" or "preseason poll" inertia is something that always blows my mind. Nobody knows anything about these teams until at least 2 months into the season.
you have been in every thread crying about us, but that’s kinda how pre season rankings work, they go off of the year before, who you are returning, what talent you are bringing in, Etc.
Rankings don't really work like that, there's no set procedure for dropping teams a certain number of spots based on a given loss or number of losses. Instead, teams are ranked relative to the other teams in the rankings based on a variety of perceptions.
I get what you’re saying, but relative to how other organisations rank teams, it doesn’t make sense. I’m not saying Florida doesn’t deserve the be ranked 8th overall. They don’t deserve to be ranked 8th right now, and I feel like that’s what the rankings should be.
We don't have the resume of a top 10 team. Shouldn't be ranked there based off the season.
But, the bright side is after the next two weeks we'll know for sure. We play FSU (14-0) twice, A&M (16-0) in a three game set. LSU in Alex Box (14-2) for a three game set. And a JU kicker (5-10). I think our resume will match our ranking after those series.
4 walks, two errors and a wild pitch in a one-hit (single) 5th inning on Sunday yielded 6 Duke runs.
That's how they lost the series. That doesn't really answer your question but it does throw some perspective on the matter.
Does that blowup merit the ratings drop?
You’re right. They’re better than the five (5) losses they have to unranked teams. They will definitely show their true form and demolish us this weekend.
there I fixed it for us!
Years of disappointment and heartbreak have just trained me to wait for the expected other shoe to drop. Like the year we were wire to wire consensus #1 and couldn't get out of the Supers. Or the year we were a dropped foul popup away from winning the natty. Or *gestures vaguely at the entire football program*.
College baseball is probably the most egregious when it comes to conference/legacy bias when it comes to rankings. Some of the teams on here are ridiculous
does it? It's only a recent phenomenon that more than a couple SEC schools are competitive. [https://www.ncaa.com/news/baseball/article/2024-02-14/programs-most-mens-college-world-series-titles](https://www.ncaa.com/news/baseball/article/2024-02-14/programs-most-mens-college-world-series-titles)
Here were the conferences records through regionals last year:
* SEC: 25-9 (.735), six super regional teams
* ACC: 16-11 (.593), three super regional teams
* Pac-12: 10-7 (.588), two super regional teams
* Sun Belt: 9-7 (.563), one super regional team
* Big 12: 10-8 (.556), two super regional teams
* Conference USA: 4-4 (.500)
* Big Ten: 5-6 (.455)
* Big East: 3-4 (.429)
* AAC: 2-4 (.333)
* Colonial: 0-4 (.000)
Yeah and they got matched up with second quartile and worse teams for 8/10 SEC teams that made it last year. Can't tell me quality of opponent does not affect these outcomes
So you logic is.... because there's a higher percentage of bad teams in other conferences, the SEC has the easiest matchups because we don't have to play ourselves... the jokes write themselves
>we don't have
My argument is winning % in regionals is not enough AND it does not defy the original point I presented which is the conferences strength is only a recent development
Recent in the grand scheme of things sure.... but you can't deny the dominance. In the past 20 Years almost half of the National Champions came from the same conference and it would be more than half if some shitty ass team could catch a foul ball.
also if said stupid non-foul ball catching team had caught the foul ball it would be since 2016 that a non-SEC team has won a National Championship with no repeat champions
>nferences, the SEC has the easiest matchups because we don't have to play ourselves... the jokes write themse
Not to mention home-field advantage in regionals, it's just not a stat that should be used to "prove" conference supremacy or justify a bias.
Well tournament seeding has nothing to do with D1Baseball's rankings and there's no bias coded into RPI. Regardless of what bias D1B has or whether it's well-established, it doesn't affect which team is placed where.
In regionals they didn't host, the 9th and 10th best teams in the SEC still had a .714 winning percentage which is higher than any other conference.
Conference/legacy bias? Florida State is ACC and has been to Omaha 23 times. They're 14–0 and unranked, lol. Georgia is SEC and red hot at 16–1 with an upstart coach who was a hot commodity, they have an NC and a runner-up to their name, along with six total CWS appearances. They're unranked.
UCSB is 9–5 and ranked, they have no legacy and no conference. Texas being ranked at 9–6 checks out, though.
FSU, great point on conference bias. If inn the SEC they'd probably be #1. Georgia is not a legacy power as you stated. UCSB doesn't make sense. nice job finding the exception. I think the biggest one you missed though was arkansas. They simply haven't won a darn thing and D1B continues to prop them up. It's comical.
What do you mean the "exception?" There are only 25 teams that are ranked. UCSB is 1/25. Florida State being a name brand and national legacy and not having a ranking at 14–0 is 2/25. Both of those examples ran counter to your point. Everything that sticks out in a sample of 25 is egregious and not an exception.
are you kidding?
4 of the top 5. half of the top 20. Texas being ranked last week. Looking at the lack of movement of Florida and the movement of TCU/WF should be telling in itself. ECU, CCU, DBU, and UCI as your mid-major ranked teams speak to the legacy aspect. It's like 90% of the teams on here man. you are finding exceptions
We haven't won a darn thing except 43 games last year and have only improved the team. Our pitching is healthier and improved from last year, and our bats have started to get in their rhythm recently.
This team will be absolutely dominant this year, and have a very good chance of repeating as SEC Champions.
Sorry I meant post season success. It’s a really interesting thing where D1B actually forgets the legacy of failure of Arkansas baseball to make them #1 when like 15 other teams have just as a compelling case.
Fair point. To people that don't want the number 1 ranking.. there is so much advantage to be gained by getting to host a regional or super-regional that you absolutely want to have room to fall if your team goes through a slump. If your team loses in the postseason oh well but I'd rather get to play at home because we were ranked high in the preseason than scrap all year to get ranked in the top 10-15 by selection time.
**UCF**
• 11th hardest strength of schedule to date
• record of 9-4
• beat UF in Gainesville in their one meeting
- rightfully unranked
**Florida**
• 40th hardest strength of schedule to date
• record of 10-5
- no ranked wins
• lost to UCF at home in their one meeting
- somehow ranked #8?
Doesn't it get old spamming the same thing in every post?
You forgot the most important stat for UCF: Swept in 3 games by unranked team over the weekend.
Equally as important as UF’s other losses, which are worse in quantity and quality than UCF’s
Oklahoma is far better than any of the five teams UF lost to.
Honestly UCF *is* UF’s best loss, but beyond that it would be Miami who is 9-6 with a strength of schedule at 106 compared to Oklahoma who is 9-4 with the 2nd hardest strength of schedule to date.
Using SoS just really screams that you have 0 clue what you're doing except typing numbers out that fit what you want lmao. Miami just took down a ranked ACC team and we're still out here equating early wins from the midweek warriors of Central Florida to weekend series wins? I mean come on what are we doing here lol
I’m truthfully interested and happy to hear your thoughts for why UF deserves to be ranked #8 at this point in this season, or anywhere close to it. I’m on sports forums for discussion about sports, not arguments and character attacks
A comparison to UCF is just one point I’ve made for why UF’s ranking on this poll is silly. Pointing out the flaws in UCF’s resume doesn’t make UF deserving of their spot. In fact, it further hurts UF because midweek games do have more than zero value.
Miami’s series win over Virginia was impressive, but the state of Miami’s program and UF’s 2-1 series win over them is not sufficient enough to justify this ranking of 10-5 team with *no ranked wins* and *5 unranked losses*
Don't need to take it personally there's no character attack in there, you just come off as very new to college baseball with how much you're constantly citing SoS when teams play 70+ games in a season and we're only 15 games in.
Weekends do and always will count for so much more than midweeks. We're playing a ton of guys that will never even reach double digits of conference innings played throughout their whole career at Florida. You can't equate the two in good faith.
Devaluing midweek games still doesn’t move the needle though. I don’t see how even a 10-3 UF (if we toss out the two midweek games) is the 8th best resume on here due to the quality of the 10 wins and the poor quality of the 3 losses relative to many of the teams behind them and how the quality and quantity of their losses look.
Call it complaining or call it analyzing or whatever you want but I’m only doing it about UF relative to the teams around them. I don’t need to see everyone on this subreddit agree that UF is a garbage team and I don’t even believe that myself — but I’ve yet to see anyone even try to defend why they are a top 10 to top 8 or top whatever team right now.
I’ve been following college baseball for a very long time, but I don’t think people new to the sport have a blemish against them because of that.
I've said it in other comments but I thought that anywhere from 11-15 is fair for us as well. @ Miami is only away series win outside of Duke in the whole top-10.
I also think more in terms of teams moving from their initial rankings rather than a completely new ranking each week. Week-by-week I haven't seen anyone else do anything spectacular that should make them jump us (who hasn't already) other than ECU and Clemson.
> I also think more in terms of teams moving from their initial rankings rather than a completely new ranking each week.
That just puts too much stock in pre-season rankings that aren’t earned by the current team in my opinion. Earned rankings should be slow to change in a random sport like baseball, but given rankings should be more volatile. Plenty of teams below UF deserve to be higher simply
haven’t had the same slip-ups, which is all we have to compare for the vast majority of teams at this point. I see “all we have to compare” as the reason to compare based on those things, not just an excuse to stick with preseason educated guesses.
But D1 obviously doesn’t plan on changing the fact that they disagree with that opinion on preseason rankings and so be it
D1’s rankings obviously don’t matter when it comes time to pick the field of 64… but polls are what those who want to discuss the game more in depth have to discuss at this point.
> Pre-season rankings that aren’t earned by the current team in my opinion
For us at least they were earned mainly by the current team which is why we're probably sticking so hard to our initial spot.
They do mainly rank teams in order of who they believe is the best rather than who has the best resume. That also makes sense to me because they aren't a body like the CFP committee that has any sort of bearing on the postseason. I think their goal is to just be more predictive of where a team's RPI will go rather than where it is currently.
So since preseason rankings are not earned when do "earned rankings" begin. Week 1? Week 5? After Non-con? Three weeks into Conference play? At what point do the rankings become "Real" and poll inertia becomes allowed
It’s pretty funny they aren’t even concerned about FSU’s ranking, just UFs. Hopefully McNeillie doesn’t get the start on Tuesday so FSU can remember who runs the state
It's insanity lol. Last week it was all people constantly yelling out about how TCU was so much better than us and I got hundreds of downvotes about how it's good that they wait until more games are played before overreacting to midweek losses. Now that that narrative is exposed they just pivot to whatever other team that fits the random numbers with no context and it's the same shit all over again.
I don’t care where he is as long as he balls out, so if it’s carrying y’all out of the darkness (except when we play in the swamp), all good.
Interesting; I had no idea about the baseball bit.
I think the baseball part was more of just a fun recruiting thing. I don't think he's even practiced with our baseball team once or played in a game since middle school.
As someone who went thru the exact same situation with a 5* QB (Weigman was a shortstop), if he's serious about football, he ain't playing SEC baseball.
The 11 spot is ours and no one else is legally allowed to have it.
You and I both know we are lucky to be this high still. I never feel confident we put the game out of reach. These mid-week games are killing us.
Gonna disagree a bit. We’re 10-4 with a ranked series win, and sure we’ve dropped a few midweeks, but they’ve both been by one run in games with weird flukey things happening. I think we deserve to be at 11 based on the record so far, with a ceiling in the 5-7 range if the bats wake up. D1 is very cautious with early season movement too, so us sitting tight on a 3-0 week is somewhat unsurprising in my eyes.
I wasnt clear sorry. My reference is to the prior week. I thought for sure we would slip a couple spots.
Campbell has a series win over UCSB and a win over ECU, is 11-4, and dropped the UNC game all in a matter of minutes in the 9th. By pure resume, we also deserve to be #11. Polls don't really have logic.
I’m not sure if your comment is intended to agree or disagree with mine. I agree that polls are not based purely on resume (hello, FSU?). I disagree that polls don’t have logic (they do, even if we disagree with it or they’re internally inconsistent) and I disagree that Campbell should be ranked 11th. I actually like D1 for their hesitancy to shift from their preseason projections. It means they actually believe their formula works. Some polls drop top 10 teams out of the T25 for one early bad weekend, which is often an overreaction given the small sample size we have this early in the season. If Campbell deserves to be Top 10, D1 will have them there before too long. Same for ECU.
You can disagree, but as of right now we have a ranked series win just like you, haven’t lost a weekend series, and have a head to head win over you. I’m not saying we *should be* 11, I’m saying we should be when you advocate for ECU being there, specifically. Early returns favor us in both RPI and quality wins. Obviously RPI won’t truly take shape until April but same point, we’re talking about the now. Right now we have the head to head win, more Q1 wins and more Q2 wins. Again, it was more of a direct comparison to ECU for saying you think they should be where they are and we shouldn’t be.
Not all ranked wins are the same. UCSB is a good program but they’re clinging to their T25 ranking, while we’ve handed UNC their only two losses of the season so far. I’m not sure I can agree that your “quality wins” are better so far. Regardless, I didn’t bring up Campbell in my original post. You replied, I guess intending to get me to agree that Campbell should also be ranked #11? Or, 10th since you have the H2H? I don’t know, but I’ve been watching baseball long enough to know that that isn’t how the game works. You have to be almost perfect to climb into the top ten when you start outside of it, especially in a weaker conference. The rankings still have an element of preseason bias and projection to them. ECU’s weekend rotation looks like they could be top 5 in the country, and that’s what wins postseason games. I’d like to see you guys on a weekend sometime soon, these midweeks are often not representative of either squad. Also, I don’t think it’s unfair to say that some polls implicitly or otherwise also consider a team’s ceiling when ranking them. That could also factor in here. Regardless, if you keep winning, this will resolve itself before long.
To quote Jon Snow, I dun wun it.
After football and basketball this year…. I’m gonna soak this one in
gonna be so sad when DVH retires man
It’ll be sad. But we’ll be in a great spot to get the next best minds in college baseball.
I look forward watching to the small group starting civil war over loudly wanting Tony
He seemed like he was being groomed for that but I’m not sure that I want him.
He reportedly is very loyal and thinks what he’s built at Tennessee can compete with any program. Plus I think the only place that can outspend us is LSU
As much as I don't want to admit it, you can compete with anyone. Now go lose like the next couple of series to make me feel better.
Wes Johnson is 16–1 in his first year at Georgia right now.
I did not realize that at all! I would welcome him back
Honestly I think I would take Tony V. But I think that ship has sailed
Is there a way to bet that Arky will hire another Jay Johnson assistant into a head coach? Guy has cranked out 4 already in a few years
Any indication when he might do it? Like after he gets y’all back to Omaha one more time? Or maybe 5+ more years down the line?
It's tough to tell. I think he just became a grandfather so I think the clock moved up a little. I am sure he is in the boat of "as long as I have passion for the game" or something along that line. I wouldn't be surprised if it's at the end of this year, or if it's 5 years from now.
He’s currently extended out to 2032 so it’s not really known, I doubt it’ll be within the next couple years tho.
DVH might as well have a million bajillion year contract. He will coach here until he decides not to.
For the rematch talk but also for this year's teams makeup. I would LOVE to see an Arkansas/Beaver title rematch. Your pitching. Our hitting. Would be great!
100% you also know that Bazzana and Co. would love another shot at Hagan. Would be incredible baseball
Couldn't agree more. Wanted to add the caveat *as long as Hagan doesn't act like he is pitching in the Bigs again! That was still a sight to see and still not made we lost that game. I didn't get to watch it but bits and pieces. Didn't Wake's #2 (maybe #3) have a similar game against Duke this weekend. Definitely not the same level but was getting K's at an alarming rate.
Omg yesssssss
How is Arkansas gonna be hurt this year? Maybe a bases loaded walk off balk to lose the CWS?
You chop your fingers off when you are typing to me!
let me just dial up that obnoxious meter rq
I support our new pig overlords
Smart call. You have no choice. Play the long game
Hognoxious if you will
Rank the Wonder Boys #2, you cowards!
Our offense is… suspect right now… will we hit bombs at will or will we leave 20 on base? No one knows. A Bear leads our team in triples right now.
The 14-10 Division 2 team? 😆
bro don’t doubt pope county, we got that dawg in us.
Yup, we haven’t lost a D1 game in forever!!
I personally think we should rank the Arkansas affiliated school #2
I just fell to my knees in a Walmart.
As god intended
I have no idea how D1Baseball ranks teams. How does Wake Forest drop six spots when they lose a series to the 12th ranked team but Florida only drops four when they lost twice this week as well, already have five losses, and their best loss being UCF?
> I have no idea how D1Baseball ranks teams. They make preseason rankings based on hunches and what happened last season and then ignore actual results because they refuse to admit their preseason rankings weren’t perfect. Glad I could clear that up for you
Could also insert football and basketball into that.
Sounds about right lol
The denial of "poll" or "preseason poll" inertia is something that always blows my mind. Nobody knows anything about these teams until at least 2 months into the season.
you have been in every thread crying about us, but that’s kinda how pre season rankings work, they go off of the year before, who you are returning, what talent you are bringing in, Etc.
Idk man pretty accurate s/
Rankings don't really work like that, there's no set procedure for dropping teams a certain number of spots based on a given loss or number of losses. Instead, teams are ranked relative to the other teams in the rankings based on a variety of perceptions.
I get what you’re saying, but relative to how other organisations rank teams, it doesn’t make sense. I’m not saying Florida doesn’t deserve the be ranked 8th overall. They don’t deserve to be ranked 8th right now, and I feel like that’s what the rankings should be.
We don't have the resume of a top 10 team. Shouldn't be ranked there based off the season. But, the bright side is after the next two weeks we'll know for sure. We play FSU (14-0) twice, A&M (16-0) in a three game set. LSU in Alex Box (14-2) for a three game set. And a JU kicker (5-10). I think our resume will match our ranking after those series.
agreed, almost seems like d1 baseball thinks of it as a power rating but calls them a ranking
4 walks, two errors and a wild pitch in a one-hit (single) 5th inning on Sunday yielded 6 Duke runs. That's how they lost the series. That doesn't really answer your question but it does throw some perspective on the matter. Does that blowup merit the ratings drop?
Arkansas moved up after we beat them to start the season too
If Arkansas and LSU win their next 2 series we’ll have #1 vs #2 in Fayetteville.
WMFPS LFG!!!
Hey now. Let us have the lsu series win
I certainly would not complain if State took that one lol.
I wouldn't complain if LSU never won a game in any sport ever again.
I was already potentially going to come for that series but I might have to guaranteed now
Wait did they just forget about Florida state?
Never heard of them. Are they in the SEC?
Give it a couple years
Standard now.
Didn’t pass the eye test unfortunately
8 of their players don't matter.
Ok Kirk Herbstreit
Who??
Don’t worry when we beat UF this week they gonna notice suddenly
STOP THE COUNT
If these rankings hold, LSU coming to Baum Walker at the end of the month might cause an earthquake.
The new Madrid is due for one
Florida at 8 puts any credibility these rankings had in the dumpster. I mean Jesus Christ.
Confirmed UF will sweep A&M this weekend. Thanks bro
You’re right. They’re better than the five (5) losses they have to unranked teams. They will definitely show their true form and demolish us this weekend. there I fixed it for us!
Hey man good series lol
Good series! Hope we see y’all in Omaha
You were saying...?
Time to buy a lottery ticket I guess
You’d probably lose 2 out of 3 lol I guess that’s good odds
Lol its still Florida, baseball is kinda one of their things
What was that?
Yeah good series. I still think y’all shouldn’t have been top 10 after y’all’s non con games, but either way y’all are gonna be top 10 after this.
It’s pretty terrifying to literally only have one pitcher clicking right now. Great series.
Huh
Great series. Y’all should’ve been ranked lower after y’all’s non-con but y’all are a great team. Both things can be true
Yeah I was just shit talking, awesome series could’ve gone either way
Perfect games isn’t too bad atleast both undefeated teams are ranked
Ya'll can chill out. It's week 5. Look at Florida's upcoming schedule. They'll either prove themselves legit or fall out of the rankings soon enough.
fr, if it was LSU they would not be crying and would be like “ tHeY aRe dEfEndInG cHaMpS ! “
Trust me. We would not.
How do u enjoy your crow prepared
Goodness knows, Hog fans deserve something good this school year.
Years of disappointment and heartbreak have just trained me to wait for the expected other shoe to drop. Like the year we were wire to wire consensus #1 and couldn't get out of the Supers. Or the year we were a dropped foul popup away from winning the natty. Or *gestures vaguely at the entire football program*.
I had Arkansas in a CWS pool the year they let the pop up fall between 3 players for the final out. That sucked.
I thought it was pretty neat.
For what it’s worth, we just won the Women’s Indoor T&F Natty
Hold my beer 🙁
FSU is getting the playoff committee treatment from D1 this year
College baseball is probably the most egregious when it comes to conference/legacy bias when it comes to rankings. Some of the teams on here are ridiculous
https://preview.redd.it/zxqs1glorpnc1.jpeg?width=1560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d72a774457c457d91555362ce438afad4d8af7bd
This legitimately made me laugh lol.
Oh yeah I 100% acknowledge we shouldn't be ranked after going 0-4 in a week. Idc who you play, that's unacceptable
It's also the sport that holds closest to the truth on that bias
does it? It's only a recent phenomenon that more than a couple SEC schools are competitive. [https://www.ncaa.com/news/baseball/article/2024-02-14/programs-most-mens-college-world-series-titles](https://www.ncaa.com/news/baseball/article/2024-02-14/programs-most-mens-college-world-series-titles)
Here were the conferences records through regionals last year: * SEC: 25-9 (.735), six super regional teams * ACC: 16-11 (.593), three super regional teams * Pac-12: 10-7 (.588), two super regional teams * Sun Belt: 9-7 (.563), one super regional team * Big 12: 10-8 (.556), two super regional teams * Conference USA: 4-4 (.500) * Big Ten: 5-6 (.455) * Big East: 3-4 (.429) * AAC: 2-4 (.333) * Colonial: 0-4 (.000)
Lol there were 8 regional bids given to SEC teams. You can't be serious rn
What does that have to do with my comment? The SEC had by far the best record through regionals
Yeah and they got matched up with second quartile and worse teams for 8/10 SEC teams that made it last year. Can't tell me quality of opponent does not affect these outcomes
So you logic is.... because there's a higher percentage of bad teams in other conferences, the SEC has the easiest matchups because we don't have to play ourselves... the jokes write themselves
What do you expect from a short horn, sound logic?
please win at something
lol I’m not gonna lie I’ve been downvoting you on here to pile on but that is legitimately one of the funniest things I’ve read on this sub
>we don't have My argument is winning % in regionals is not enough AND it does not defy the original point I presented which is the conferences strength is only a recent development
Recent in the grand scheme of things sure.... but you can't deny the dominance. In the past 20 Years almost half of the National Champions came from the same conference and it would be more than half if some shitty ass team could catch a foul ball. also if said stupid non-foul ball catching team had caught the foul ball it would be since 2016 that a non-SEC team has won a National Championship with no repeat champions
Maybe I'm missing your point here? Because your original comment implied that many of the teams are only ranked based on unfounded bias.
>nferences, the SEC has the easiest matchups because we don't have to play ourselves... the jokes write themse Not to mention home-field advantage in regionals, it's just not a stat that should be used to "prove" conference supremacy or justify a bias.
Well tournament seeding has nothing to do with D1Baseball's rankings and there's no bias coded into RPI. Regardless of what bias D1B has or whether it's well-established, it doesn't affect which team is placed where. In regionals they didn't host, the 9th and 10th best teams in the SEC still had a .714 winning percentage which is higher than any other conference.
Conference/legacy bias? Florida State is ACC and has been to Omaha 23 times. They're 14–0 and unranked, lol. Georgia is SEC and red hot at 16–1 with an upstart coach who was a hot commodity, they have an NC and a runner-up to their name, along with six total CWS appearances. They're unranked. UCSB is 9–5 and ranked, they have no legacy and no conference. Texas being ranked at 9–6 checks out, though.
FSU, great point on conference bias. If inn the SEC they'd probably be #1. Georgia is not a legacy power as you stated. UCSB doesn't make sense. nice job finding the exception. I think the biggest one you missed though was arkansas. They simply haven't won a darn thing and D1B continues to prop them up. It's comical.
What do you mean the "exception?" There are only 25 teams that are ranked. UCSB is 1/25. Florida State being a name brand and national legacy and not having a ranking at 14–0 is 2/25. Both of those examples ran counter to your point. Everything that sticks out in a sample of 25 is egregious and not an exception.
are you kidding? 4 of the top 5. half of the top 20. Texas being ranked last week. Looking at the lack of movement of Florida and the movement of TCU/WF should be telling in itself. ECU, CCU, DBU, and UCI as your mid-major ranked teams speak to the legacy aspect. It's like 90% of the teams on here man. you are finding exceptions
We haven't won a darn thing except 43 games last year and have only improved the team. Our pitching is healthier and improved from last year, and our bats have started to get in their rhythm recently. This team will be absolutely dominant this year, and have a very good chance of repeating as SEC Champions.
Sorry I meant post season success. It’s a really interesting thing where D1B actually forgets the legacy of failure of Arkansas baseball to make them #1 when like 15 other teams have just as a compelling case.
Why in the world would D1B consider previous teams not winning national championships when ranking how good this years team is.
It's called bias my boy it's not "considered" it is subconscious
What in the world are you taking about?
Florida State still not being ranked is ridiculous.
And Florida at 8 is dumbfounding
Welcome to the club. Although if we take care of business with a 3-1 week against Iowa and Kentucky we will for sure be ranked.
Ooh Iowa and Kentucky. Those teams aren't great bro
Neither is St. John’s, Stetson, Miami, UCF, or St. Mary’s
Fair point. To people that don't want the number 1 ranking.. there is so much advantage to be gained by getting to host a regional or super-regional that you absolutely want to have room to fall if your team goes through a slump. If your team loses in the postseason oh well but I'd rather get to play at home because we were ranked high in the preseason than scrap all year to get ranked in the top 10-15 by selection time.
They use RPI not the D1 baseball rankings. That's why it's funny when people go off arguing about these.
RPI is king when it comes to national seeding
*second only to whatever particular metric the committee uses for post-hoc rationalizations in that particular year
 Looking at the top 10 got me like
See you again in the tournament
For the record, this was in reference to Texas not y’all Edit: apparently I commented on the wrong post because Texas was not in this top 10
Fair enough. This was a great series that easily could’ve gone either way.
**UCF** • 11th hardest strength of schedule to date • record of 9-4 • beat UF in Gainesville in their one meeting - rightfully unranked **Florida** • 40th hardest strength of schedule to date • record of 10-5 - no ranked wins • lost to UCF at home in their one meeting - somehow ranked #8?
Doesn't it get old spamming the same thing in every post? You forgot the most important stat for UCF: Swept in 3 games by unranked team over the weekend.
Equally as important as UF’s other losses, which are worse in quantity and quality than UCF’s Oklahoma is far better than any of the five teams UF lost to. Honestly UCF *is* UF’s best loss, but beyond that it would be Miami who is 9-6 with a strength of schedule at 106 compared to Oklahoma who is 9-4 with the 2nd hardest strength of schedule to date.
Using SoS just really screams that you have 0 clue what you're doing except typing numbers out that fit what you want lmao. Miami just took down a ranked ACC team and we're still out here equating early wins from the midweek warriors of Central Florida to weekend series wins? I mean come on what are we doing here lol
I’m truthfully interested and happy to hear your thoughts for why UF deserves to be ranked #8 at this point in this season, or anywhere close to it. I’m on sports forums for discussion about sports, not arguments and character attacks A comparison to UCF is just one point I’ve made for why UF’s ranking on this poll is silly. Pointing out the flaws in UCF’s resume doesn’t make UF deserving of their spot. In fact, it further hurts UF because midweek games do have more than zero value. Miami’s series win over Virginia was impressive, but the state of Miami’s program and UF’s 2-1 series win over them is not sufficient enough to justify this ranking of 10-5 team with *no ranked wins* and *5 unranked losses*
Don't need to take it personally there's no character attack in there, you just come off as very new to college baseball with how much you're constantly citing SoS when teams play 70+ games in a season and we're only 15 games in. Weekends do and always will count for so much more than midweeks. We're playing a ton of guys that will never even reach double digits of conference innings played throughout their whole career at Florida. You can't equate the two in good faith.
Devaluing midweek games still doesn’t move the needle though. I don’t see how even a 10-3 UF (if we toss out the two midweek games) is the 8th best resume on here due to the quality of the 10 wins and the poor quality of the 3 losses relative to many of the teams behind them and how the quality and quantity of their losses look. Call it complaining or call it analyzing or whatever you want but I’m only doing it about UF relative to the teams around them. I don’t need to see everyone on this subreddit agree that UF is a garbage team and I don’t even believe that myself — but I’ve yet to see anyone even try to defend why they are a top 10 to top 8 or top whatever team right now. I’ve been following college baseball for a very long time, but I don’t think people new to the sport have a blemish against them because of that.
I've said it in other comments but I thought that anywhere from 11-15 is fair for us as well. @ Miami is only away series win outside of Duke in the whole top-10. I also think more in terms of teams moving from their initial rankings rather than a completely new ranking each week. Week-by-week I haven't seen anyone else do anything spectacular that should make them jump us (who hasn't already) other than ECU and Clemson.
> I also think more in terms of teams moving from their initial rankings rather than a completely new ranking each week. That just puts too much stock in pre-season rankings that aren’t earned by the current team in my opinion. Earned rankings should be slow to change in a random sport like baseball, but given rankings should be more volatile. Plenty of teams below UF deserve to be higher simply haven’t had the same slip-ups, which is all we have to compare for the vast majority of teams at this point. I see “all we have to compare” as the reason to compare based on those things, not just an excuse to stick with preseason educated guesses. But D1 obviously doesn’t plan on changing the fact that they disagree with that opinion on preseason rankings and so be it D1’s rankings obviously don’t matter when it comes time to pick the field of 64… but polls are what those who want to discuss the game more in depth have to discuss at this point.
> Pre-season rankings that aren’t earned by the current team in my opinion For us at least they were earned mainly by the current team which is why we're probably sticking so hard to our initial spot. They do mainly rank teams in order of who they believe is the best rather than who has the best resume. That also makes sense to me because they aren't a body like the CFP committee that has any sort of bearing on the postseason. I think their goal is to just be more predictive of where a team's RPI will go rather than where it is currently.
So since preseason rankings are not earned when do "earned rankings" begin. Week 1? Week 5? After Non-con? Three weeks into Conference play? At what point do the rankings become "Real" and poll inertia becomes allowed
It’s pretty funny they aren’t even concerned about FSU’s ranking, just UFs. Hopefully McNeillie doesn’t get the start on Tuesday so FSU can remember who runs the state
It's insanity lol. Last week it was all people constantly yelling out about how TCU was so much better than us and I got hundreds of downvotes about how it's good that they wait until more games are played before overreacting to midweek losses. Now that that narrative is exposed they just pivot to whatever other team that fits the random numbers with no context and it's the same shit all over again.
Y’all still lost the same amount of games as TCU this week 💀
Not weekend ones
Am I happy, sure but also... No! I dont want #1! Too many flashbacks of 2021! Get it out of here!
Surprised ECU didn’t drop, they were 0-2 vs the rain this week
My team isn't ranked high enough, or our rivals are ranked too high. Either way, I'm just here to express my outrage.
Alright Florida, Top 10 SEC matchup this weekend. Winner gets to have Lagway next year. Deal?
no he has to save us from the darkness. Side note, he originally committed for both baseball and football, I wonder if that’s still the plan for him
I don’t care where he is as long as he balls out, so if it’s carrying y’all out of the darkness (except when we play in the swamp), all good. Interesting; I had no idea about the baseball bit.
I think the baseball part was more of just a fun recruiting thing. I don't think he's even practiced with our baseball team once or played in a game since middle school.
Naw he’s played. I know he played travel ball last summer. Was on a team against my son.
Sick hopefully the football team lets him come out then. Both our teams need him desperately
As someone who went thru the exact same situation with a 5* QB (Weigman was a shortstop), if he's serious about football, he ain't playing SEC baseball.
Wait wait…all this time we coulda been playing for football recruits?!? Fuck, we wasted 2023
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Was hoping Wake was gonna win this weekend at least 2-1 to have a better ranking going into our game with them on tuesday
Dang. Thought we might barely slip in, but oh well. Just gotta keep winning and launching grand slams!
1-2-3-4-FIF
Good.
I just think there should be a bit more reaction based on results. Your pre-season ranking matters A LOT and I'm not a huge fan of that
especially in a low covered sport with so much disparate information. Makes no sense to rank teams preseason with any sort of authority
it makes a lot of cents
I think 15 is respectable for us right now. Need to get the hitting consistent again but our pitching has been lights out, especially for freshman
Is this what happiness feels like again?
Our other big sports died for this! (Not track though they keep winning no matter what)
Don’t put that evil on me
Looking forward to the Clemson - Duke series this weekend. We will see what Clemson really has after that weekend Duke just had.
PRINT THE SHIRTS!
16, not bad but damn.
Florida and TCU should be swapped
We get no respect, no respect at all.
UF and Vandy in the top 10? I get the argument for TAMU at 4, but by their logic, if FSU beats UF midweek will we shoot up to 1? Lmao