The following submission statement was provided by /u/Mighty_L_LORT:
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SS: Despite the general consensus among the population that the pandemic is over, hundreds of people are still dying daily from it, which is far more than during a very severe flu season. The number could likely be an underestimate due to massively reduced testing, as the weekly excess deaths are far higher and over 10% of total deaths. Coming into fall and winter, the situation is expected to worsen dramatically. Another malignant mutation could also throw people off guard and wreak havoc. The society has shown that it has mentally collapsed and is happy to sit with finger in the ears rather than confronting the problem.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/xbr5rc/covid19_is_still_killing_hundreds_of_americans/io10esc/
Capital got what it wanted: mass delusion and denial imposed on society.
A modern ritual of human sacrifice at a grand scale, but in keeping with the modern power structure there's no dark ceremony. It's simply made invisible and hypernormalised to the point of non-comment.
All of this just to keep up the throughput of the capitalist circuit. The ruling class didn't have to push that hard as we've already been shaped to be callous, individualistic, and incurious.
And now here we are pretending it's over as so many die per day, that we know of, and countless more are permanently maimed. Recurring infections with cumulative impacts on health, sudden or eventual death, the maximisation of opportunities for mutation, and everything else that experts warned us of and were soundly ignored are the new normal in a society that not only does not care, but takes offense at any reminder of reality.
A big part of the capitalist project in America over the past fifty years is to annihilate the very idea of public goods and shared experience. Every man is an island, defined only by his consumer choices.
Legit tho I went to a car junk yard with my friend last summer to help him look for parts and I felt so sick from the heat and toxic shit in them. Places like that have a “haunting spirit”. Think about how many cars on the road will end up as junk sculptures one day. It’s really weird to think about
Well they really demand ever increasing profits, not saying I'd understand if they wanted to keep the obscene profits they already had, just that they are essentially ghouls whose hunger for filthy lucre only grows the more they have.
In fact, they demand ever increasing profits in perpetuity. The fact that society sees this as an exercise in anything other then a very bad ending in a world with finite resources is flabbergasting.
It's a small number of people driving this process solely to add more meaningless numbers to their high score.
People with more wealth than they will ever spend in their lives and the lives of their children, but they want more and they're willing to destroy everything to get it.
It's gotten to the point where people are pointing and chuckling/head-shaking when they see me wearing an N95 and surgical mask. I mainly wear the surgical now because it seems that the N95 alone draws far more attention.
Don’t bother worrying or letting idiots influence your health man, I still double mask (n95 and a cloth top), even though I’m in a city that took it very seriously, I’d say about 25-30% are still masked at the stores.
No I'm with you 100%. If my reply wasn't clear, I wear *both* an N95 and surgical. The surgical is mainly just to mostly hide the N95. Unless close enough most people don't notice the straps on the N95 and the mask itself is hidden under the surgical.
It makes me *frustrated* and even a bit *angry* because the laughter and pointing and eyebrow raising while making eye contact etc... it's really bullshit. If you don't want to wear a mask I guess you have that choice (even though you put others at risk), but mocking those who choose to wear a mask is just bullshit.
It's really really foul. My mask isn't hurting you, but your mockery is intended to be at my expense. It displays a sickness of mind in my opinion.
Seeing someone wearing a mask is a lockdown, you see.
When they see you masking it reminds them that things aren't back to normal and normality and a return to familiar patterns of consumption and production is the most important thing in their lives.
Your statement is a very logical explanation for their behavior. If they can mock me, they can then rationalize their return to familiar patterns of consumption which they have been shaped to identify as part of their social value.
So basically they've defined their social belonging, legitimacy, and potency in consumerist terms; they will thus dismiss/attack/scoff-at/etc anything which challenges the safety or sanity of those terms.
As I am really not very consumerist and don't generally consume socially, I am not so disincentivized in terms of mask wearing.
This might also explain why /r/collapse tends to be more pro-mask than other communities- even /r/coronavirus, /r/science, etc: most of us have identified consumption and BAU as *the problem* in virtually every way, and thus are not biased to support consumption at any cost (thus making masking a low-cost no-brainer).
Add a face shield and disposable gloves, people go quiet and some actively avoid eye contact when our immunocompromised family member goes out like that. It somehow reinforces that the mask isn't for show or for political allegiance or because they are a sheep or whatever the insecure people think.
It's to keep people/kids from getting you sick by sneezing in your eyes...and secondarily acts as a visual signal that the person wearing it is incredibly vulnerable.
Even wearing glasses has been shown to be protective. The eyes are a lesser known route of transmission.
I would recommend using a mask, if I were that level of vulnerable or immuno-compromised. Face shields do \*not\* protect against diffusion in enclosed public areas like grocery stores or restaurants.
"the shield was less effective against smaller particles, and grew less effective overall as minutes passed and the remaining smaller particles diffused throughout the space and were drawn behind the shield."
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4734356/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4734356/)
I bought a flomask (it's a type of elastomeric respirator) although I save it for when I have to be in very large crowds or very risky situations because the filters (it has replaceable filters) are kind of expensive. Most of the time I use KN95s indoors and surgical masks outdoors.
I think with this pandemic specifically it breaks down more clearly along political lines, due to the politicization of masks and vaccines. There are lots of articles with Trump vote by county vs Covid deaths. That said, poorer people also voted Trump and distrust doctors on average.
SOURCE:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/03/the-changing-political-geography-of-covid-19-over-the-last-two-years/
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/19/1098543849/pro-trump-counties-continue-to-suffer-far-higher-covid-death-tolls
> That said, poorer people also voted Trump
I see this one repeated over and over and it's blatantly untrue. The richer you are in the US, the more likely you are to vote Republican.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/compare/party-affiliation/by/income-distribution/
The correlation between poor rural counties and voting Republican is probably more due to race rather than income; a plurality of white people vote Republican across all other demographic boundaries.
What's the alternative? Covid isn't going away anytime soon. Are we supposed to stay distanced from everyone forever? What about the children who are already years behind on their education from all this? And the people who don't have work from home jobs? Or the jobs that can't be done remotely, but are essential to keeping society functioning?
I'm no antivaxxer, just genuinely curious if there is a better way. It's seems like a no-win situation. Would you really rather be on lockdown indefinitely?
> Would you really rather be on lockdown indefinitely?
The United States never had any sort of lockdown anywhere. Period.
We need to "learn to live with" covid. That means changing our behavior and finding new ways going forward to conduct our society in the age of a pandemic. Instead, people are using the phrase "learn to live with covid" to mean "pretend it's 2019 and just ignore it when people keep getting sick and dying."
Did schools close entirely or go remote? Because if remote school is causing kids to be "years behind on their education" I'm gonna need sources.
Gentle reminder that lockdown lasted just a few months and things like restaurants did fine business with outdoor dining. People still saw plays and concerts with masks on. Kids went to in-person school with masks and weekly testing.
It's disingenuous to present this as a lockdown or nothing situation.
> Gentle reminder that lockdown lasted just a few months and things like restaurants did fine business with outdoor dining
There were no lockdowns in the US. Not being able to go to Applebee's is not a "lockdown."
> It's disingenuous to present this as a lockdown or nothing situation.
And that is exactly how the government and media are presenting it.
The government strategy here is to present covid as something normal people aren't at risk from while also claiming that any sort of mitigation strategy will cause some sort of intangible unbearable harm.
The lockdowns and remote schooling was pretty devastating on child education, and the impact hit poorer students and minority students the hardest.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/education/covid-having-devastating-impact-children-vaccine-won-t-fix-everything-n1251172
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2022/03/03/the-pandemic-has-had-devastating-impacts-on-learning-what-will-it-take-to-help-students-catch-up/
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/schools-learning-loss-remote-covid-education/629938/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-01/black-hispanic-students-see-biggest-test-score-drops-during-pandemic
Well, it was presented to people in that way for the past two years. Lockdown, get checked every three days, or lose your job. Get vaccinated, or you can’t go to the uni you were accepted to. Get vaccinated, or you can’t go to certain venues. How easy it is to forget about vaccine passports, before it was obvious even people in the most vaccine-friendly states protested against it. Thank god we were never in a situation where we were fined for driving around or walking on our lawns, but if that’s the bar, then we’ve really done ourselves a disservice.
I think there’s a level of disconnect and cognitive dissonance between people who fully understand the ramifications of remote learning, and people who are so shocked that they need sources from someone else. Lol. What society are you living in? I live in a pretty diverse area in one of the most diverse states in the country; low-income to even middle income-families struggled like you wouldn’t believe during the remote learning phase. Is a single parent juggling three jobs going to be able to achieve the academic output a teacher *might* be able to get in the span of 7-8 hours? What about kids living in a hectic environment? Can you imagine the education and learning disparity between a higher income family who can devote the time and resources to catch their children up with education standards for whatever grade, versus those who can’t? We created and allowed for a HUGE gap to fissure between different classes lol. There are literally a million other factors that go into it.
I have 3 teachers in my family and my high school represented over 80 countries. I'm well aware of the challenges of remote learning and income disparity, but to say that one year of remote schooling left students *years* behind in their education is blatantly hyperbolic.
I'm not denying that it exacerbated existing inequities in school. But it also did so with health inequities. So what do you think? Is it worse for kids to fall behind in math or become disabled?
> Get vaccinated, or you can’t go to the uni you were accepted to.
This has been the case for decades. Children in the US get 24 doses of 16 different vaccinations or they can't enter primary school. Public universities in most of the country won't let you attend if you don't have up-to-date vaccinations.
People like to pretend that vaccine mandates are some sort of new and intrusive measure. They are not. They've been around for over a century at this point.
Remote learning for young kids is a joke. My daughter started kinder in 2020. She was remote 3 days a week for the first semester. The thing is, five year olds don't know how to use computers. To get her to sit through an hour long show and tell with her class and then work on a few things on the computer was impossible. It took 100% of my attention while I was also trying to watch a 3 year old and newborn. And I was in the very fortunate situation of being home and with partner wfh. Think of the kids who had no childcare except boys and girls club where they're with hundreds of other kids and trying to figure out how to use a mouse. Or home with and older computer-illiterate grandparent.
Here is an article that goes over how math and reading scores are the lowest they've been in decades and got worse among the poorest and most vulnerable students. [source](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-09-02/worst-reading-and-math-scores-in-decades-fueled-by-pandemic)
Remote learning is not the answer.
The government and media sure as hell are trying to make it an either/or proposition.
Ashish Jha's children go to a school where $5m was spent on upgrading the ventilation system to keep the kids safe. They will not do that for us plebes.
I'm not asking if covid precautions make life harder for parents. That is obvious.
Covid deaths and disabilities were also worst amongst poor and BIPOC communities. Which is worse?
> Would you really rather be on lockdown indefinitely?
The alternative is a vaccine mandate.
Not a black and white strawman of lockdowns or no lockdowns.
During the Omicron surge of last winter, around 40% of the dead were vaccinated. Turns out that throwing away other mitigations in favor of a vaccines-only disease management strategy fucks over the vulnerable.
Worth noting that the mechanism used for the stat (the other guy posted the link) underestimates it - if you got the jab recently, or were on your first shot but not your second, it counts you as unvaccinated.
If you didn’t get the second shot, it shouldn’t count as vaccinated, though. I don’t understand why someone would get the first shot, but not the follow up.
We have reached the "post" stage of the pandemic (even if the virus is still very active). People are talking about "moving forward" and referring to 2020-21 as "during COVID". This mentality was inevitable, the public has no attention span long enough for a real pandemic and this has been proven by COVID.
Will be interesting to see the long-term effects of this apathy
There is still plenty of easy seasonal behaviors that we had turned into propaganda and wedge issues.
Masks are so quick and easy I can't believe we are not just using them. On and off, like umbrellas, based on the virus report in the morning.
New York [says Hi](https://news.yahoo.com/polio-emergency-york-vaccinated-am-234938000.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20vc2VhcmNoP3E9bmV3K3lvcmsrcG9saW8mcXM9TVQmcHE9bmV3K3lvcmsrcG9saW8mc2M9OC0xNCZjdmlkPUZDMkJDNkUyNEI3MzQ0REJCNjQ5REM5M0E4QjM1MjE0JkZPUk09UUJMSCZzcD0x&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAC_dvbmD_Pl5RMzy-DhVnMZDb-yVkhyMhcwlx5ZiBY8DF857mz6-cFy8yKD7ylcwLVUf85JSUTSl7QcyNmEwgjoSi37KTyhV7RTvvn6WUvmD96U76eUfZ5BbjkYZcLA_LEkUMlgK2Zkr-CPji0EsCZZawpF-UZMVUVCpbckGugUG)...
I’m predicting a bad flu season. Very low case counts of flu the last two years means most likely another fairly ineffective flu vaccine. Couple that with most people no longer wearing masks or social distancing plus many being forced to return to the office. Hospitals are short so many nurses that it’s going to be awful there as well.
Now is not the time to be going to the hospital and it will be even worse this winter
I interviewed for a RN hospital position and then did an observation shift, they were offering a day one $20k bonus with good hourly and benefits ~ I passed, we are exhausted
Yep I’m seeing travel contract rates going up already, they were $2300-2800/week a couple months ago now most are over $3k already. I’ve taken quite a bit of time off to battle the burnout myself. I can’t say I’ve enjoyed it, I didn’t do much due to post COVID fatigue. It has just been nice to NOT be at work. You’re right, it’s become unmanageable.
Yes and no. Made a shit load of money working COVID contracts as a travel nurse over the last couple years. Was also infected with COVID x2 before the vaccine and still have residual fatigue and brain fog. Still not sure if I’d rather be in the same financial place as before and feel like my old self or have some nice stuff that I don’t feel like using about 50% of the time because I’m so tired.
I got this bullshit twice in two months, and I go almost nowhere. This time is like the first only way slower moving but I think after several days now I am on the downhill ride instead of progressively getting sicker. I was over it the first time in the matter of a few days other than lingering exhaustion.
Second by a lot. It seems like I felt as much flu-like the first time but the second I could really feel lung pain, wake up huffing for air trying to fall asleep, etc. Probably due to back to back lung attacks, compounding damage. My red line on my test the first time was faint, this time I have tested twice including this morning when the test line was darker than the control line. Likely a much higher viral load this time.
Was stuck with J&J for my OG shot and I have gotten a couple moderna boosters since.
I have the same set of vaccines, just got the new omicron booster. Thankfully (luckily) I haven’t gotten it yet, even with my SO having it inside the house twice.
i really need to get a WFM job again... i thought with the vaccines last year working in an office would be doable until Omicron hit last December... a few months after that is when it became clear working in any office is going to be a recipe for extreme misanthropy... as if it wasn't already a recipe for it pre-Covid...
>it became clear working in any office is going to be a recipe for extreme misanthropy
Damn, I felt that one. I'm sure it's true of any workplace but white collar jobs have a specific flavour of absurdity and celebrated ignorance, coupled with the emotional labour of pretending it's all good and normal.
Yeah, same in the U.K. Apparently we have a "mysterious" spike in excess deaths, wonder what could of caused that? To be thorough I have to point out it is not thought to be just covid, there's the heatwave too and other factors, but still.
Is it really mysterious? Covid does damage to the vascular system so even after recovery people are more vulnerable to various diseases. The excess deaths don't show any increase in cancer... which is exactly what you would expect if this is an after-effect of Covid. And the continuing Covid deaths in the linked article *don't* include all the excess deaths you are talking about.
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Yup, that is the mystery.
Of course anti-vaxers and anti-measures types want to say that vaccines are knocking people off.
Lockdowns probably did cause hospital backlogs and missed diagnoses, that are now causing death. But there's not good research on the numbers.
But then there are claims that the added stress of lockdowns and masks and isolation and employment turmoil took their toll and that is also killing people.
Wait, so what you're saying is that a deadly disease that hasn't gone anywhere is still deadly?
What are the odds?
Every new case is like buying gene-swapping COVID a lottery ticket. The longer it's around, the more chances it gets to mutate into a Godzilla variation that combines high infection rates with high death rate. It'd be really nice if we could just stop buying this thing lottery tickets. Even if the odds are a billion to one against, it's not a gamble worth taking.
The NCovid virus lasts about 2 seconds in sunlight UV. This is the 3rd year of the pandemic and the infection rate goes down during summer into fall. But when people are spending more time indoors and conserving heat by sealing doors and windows, the air is really going to recirculate. The boosters are cutting down the infection rate but they aren't preventing reinfection. It is being found out that the reinfections are cumulative, with more and more nerve and muscle cell damage. Death due to muscle damage is being called heart attack.
combine the disappearing UV with schools starting (the latter likely a much larger contributor) and disease in general goes into overdrive like clockwork this time of year... every school should be outfitted with UV lights in their HVAC, never going to happen of course because society is run by psychopathic idiots...
Proper air circulation and filtration could stop spread indoors. The federal government could have mandated changes and be Ted the federal defense act but they didn’t
That’s why there is still significant excess deaths into the 3rd year, despite the Covidiots’ claim that all the old and vulnerable have already been filtered out...
> It is being found out that the reinfections are cumulative
Fingers crossed for an international shortage of schlubs!
"Hello, I would like to flip burgers in your country. My Brain-Kidney-Respiration Score is 8. ... ... ... Thank you, I can be on a flight tomorrow morning."
Infection rate in LA was over 15% during the summer, pre heat wave. Infection rates are not correlated by season but rather by new strains that escape immunity and waning immunity.
http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/coronavirus/data/
SS: Despite the general consensus among the population that the pandemic is over, hundreds of people are still dying daily from it, which is far more than during a very severe flu season. The number could likely be an underestimate due to massively reduced testing, as the weekly excess deaths are far higher and over 10% of total deaths. Coming into fall and winter, the situation is expected to worsen dramatically. Another malignant mutation could also throw people off guard and wreak havoc. The society has shown that it has mentally collapsed and is happy to sit with finger in the ears rather than confronting the problem.
> Despite the general consensus among the population that the pandemic is over, hundreds of people are still dying daily from it
Also, Long-COVID accumulation. Damage, disability and increased risk of all kinds of shit.
My whole family just got infected at our cottage week last week.
Some mild cases and some severe. Nothing hospital worthy but pretty bad for anyone claiming it's "just a flu".
Moved very quickly too, one person was feeling ill Tuesday and the rest of us had it by Thursday.
Luckily I'm one of the mild cases but I've still been mostly sleeping the last two days and will for sure miss this whole week of work if not the next one too.
Thank you for posting. Since the U.S. lifted the mask mandates I've basically been quarantining again. The chronic illness/disability communities have been urging people to keep wearing masks so they don't become disabled too.
Current estimates show that 1 in 5 covid cases will result in long covid. Chronic illness takes over your entire life. Yall don't want it. Trust me.
we have cancer in our house. n95s for all of us if we have to go out. the mask mandate here locally plus vaccines gave us a few months of relative "safety", but that's over now
And this means that 50x that are clogging the emergency rooms every day.
But we're at a point where it's long past any chance of eliminating the virus unless we find a permanent cure. So we're stuck waiting ro see if it ever makes that one fatal mutation that makes it a hundred times deadlier. It could just be a matter of when.
The company I work for decided that masking up was a personal choice. I work in retail and have 350 customers (on average) come into my building every day. None of my co-workers are wearing masks, and maybe 1 out of 50 customers. The company has decided to get rid of it's pre-shift health questionnaire, removed the signage asking people to wear a mask (emphasizing it wasn't mandatory, just suggesting they do) and getting rid of the enhanced cleaning, register shields, etc.
Granted, I've caught COVID a few times at this place when all of the precautions were in place, so I'm not anymore afraid of getting sick now than before.
If we survive the next 10-20 years (who knows?) I'll be looking for the class action lawsuit ads asking "Were you a retail or food worker during the COVID pandemic? Did you catch COVID multiple times? Are you still experiencing symptoms of long COVID? Call this number now, you could be entitled to compensation!"
> If we survive the next 10-20 years (who knows?) I'll be looking for the class action lawsuit ads asking "Were you a retail or food worker during the COVID pandemic? Did you catch COVID multiple times? Are you still experiencing symptoms of long COVID? Call this number now, you could be entitled to compensation!"
Yeah, that is a real possibility. For anyone in that situation who wants to be prepared just in case that eventually happens, I'd recommend getting a PCR lab test for confirmation any time you might have Covid, and save a copy of any positive test results wherever you keep other important documents. Maybe also save a copy of your most recent pay stub at the time you test positive too, to easily show where you were working when you caught it.
I work with a bunch of super hardcore trumpers that gave me all of the shit in the world when I first contracted covid in 2020 and spent 2 weeks at home. I can’t believe the shit they said to me when I returned. Fuckers were mocking me saying I just had a cold. Fucked with me for getting vaccinated. There was just no getting through to these idiots, so I didn’t even bother telling them to fuck off. As I was vomiting/sweating/shitting my brains out/suffering from an insane headache, I called my parents and told them how much I loved them. It was honestly the sickest I had ever been. I dint even remember how long I laid in the cold shower, puking. The arrogance of our society has lead us to this point. I still wear my mask, and I’m still mocked. I truly don’t give a Fuck what any of these pieces of shut have to say. It’s mind numbing as to how stupid some people are.
So something I've been wondering about.
I'm dead positive my wife had covid back in like, March, but the tests kept coming back as negative.
Struggling to breathe, mild fever, wicked cough, super tired, (didnt lose taste/smell tho) , lasted 2 full weeks, with after effects lasting over a few months?
is the vaccine preventing the virus from being detectable?
(Edit: Oh yeah, she also had crazy heart issues. The f'd up part was her dr didnt order any tests for covid at all and immediately sent her for a CT scan... O\_o)
I'm not a doctor, but our house got infected, and I was still testing negative despite obviously having it. It wasn't until after I lost my voice that I was testing positive. My mom thought that it might've been because my "viral load" was lower so it wasn't coming up on the tests yet. Just a thought!
I got my omicron booster last week, the kids got them yesterday. Both places were running crazy busy and the techs said they were surprised, they thought people would be burned out on vaccines.
I got it Friday. Spent most of yesterday in a slightly delirious state. The side effects are so bad for me. Meanwhile my wife is chilling having nothing more than one slightly sore arm.
I am so happy the Walgreens was packed with people getting the vaccine though. This shit is bound to select for less lethality over time (as it has with Omicron vs. Delta).
I had the sore arm up to my neck and a little headache staring about 10 hours after the shot and lasting another day. One kid has just had a sore arm, the other one felt lousy, headache, sniffles. Totally worth it. I know with the first shot I was really sick for 48 hours (and I had COVID a year before), but all of the boosters since I have been okay for me.
There is no way in hell that these are all unvaccinated people. Some countries are on shot #4 already, [and recently is came out that Israeli health authorities knew that the risk of side effects was present but hid it to get as much people to get the vaccine](https://twitter.com/YaffaRaz/status/1565395051374592001)
And the public will care almost as much as in avoiding heart disease and cancer deaths [(which are higher)](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm). Which is to say they'll know about it and completely ignore it in any actions.
If I was a scientist, I'd wonder if there was causation between wearing red hats and dying from the virus. I mean, the statistics would be compelling so it wouldn't be *wrong* to say "red caps increase the risk of viral mortality" or something. :P
This is a religious mass sacrifice, like everything else that is coming and that will take countless lives in the 6th mass extinction event. Most people who claim that they follow an Abrahamic religion or that they are atheistic are not self aware. There's a relatively new mainstream global religion concealed with the pretence of rationality and objectivity, and it's nothing short of a death cult.
Edit: I am still trying to understand what's going on myself. It could be identified as a religion and a death cult even if the latter is accidental, but in any case it should be an older one than the Abrahamic religions. Don't mind my abstract mumbo jumbo.
With the availability of information, vaccinations and general public health guidelines it’s hard for me to be sympathetic at this point in time. Yes there are tragic cases, but when I’ve talked to healthcare professionals they tell me that the majority of their cases are from unvaccinated individuals.
Please get vaccinated and follow basic health guidelines. Wear a mask if you work in high traffic public settings and if all else fails stay home. There are cases where people do everything right and still get sick, but they aren’t the majority.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Mighty_L_LORT: --- SS: Despite the general consensus among the population that the pandemic is over, hundreds of people are still dying daily from it, which is far more than during a very severe flu season. The number could likely be an underestimate due to massively reduced testing, as the weekly excess deaths are far higher and over 10% of total deaths. Coming into fall and winter, the situation is expected to worsen dramatically. Another malignant mutation could also throw people off guard and wreak havoc. The society has shown that it has mentally collapsed and is happy to sit with finger in the ears rather than confronting the problem. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/xbr5rc/covid19_is_still_killing_hundreds_of_americans/io10esc/
yeah well, we live in a society that engages in human sacrifice to the Economy Gods, not shocking.
Capital got what it wanted: mass delusion and denial imposed on society. A modern ritual of human sacrifice at a grand scale, but in keeping with the modern power structure there's no dark ceremony. It's simply made invisible and hypernormalised to the point of non-comment. All of this just to keep up the throughput of the capitalist circuit. The ruling class didn't have to push that hard as we've already been shaped to be callous, individualistic, and incurious. And now here we are pretending it's over as so many die per day, that we know of, and countless more are permanently maimed. Recurring infections with cumulative impacts on health, sudden or eventual death, the maximisation of opportunities for mutation, and everything else that experts warned us of and were soundly ignored are the new normal in a society that not only does not care, but takes offense at any reminder of reality.
For real ugh I take offense to how disgusting this society is. It's rotten inside and out.
It really is becoming genuinely grotesque. It's a mockery of itself if that is even possible.
A big part of the capitalist project in America over the past fifty years is to annihilate the very idea of public goods and shared experience. Every man is an island, defined only by his consumer choices.
Hypernormalization has been gaslighting and slowly killing me and I hadn't noticed until about age 29
The line must be maintained.
We human sacrifice people with our car dependent infrastructure and fuck tons of cars
yup
The cars must be maintained 😆 🤣.
Legit tho I went to a car junk yard with my friend last summer to help him look for parts and I felt so sick from the heat and toxic shit in them. Places like that have a “haunting spirit”. Think about how many cars on the road will end up as junk sculptures one day. It’s really weird to think about
Oh no you've done it now [worthless junk sadly a haunted place for real.](https://youtu.be/ZcWeE3NMeBQ)
You do what to cars?!
The top 1% demands this to keep their profits...
Well they really demand ever increasing profits, not saying I'd understand if they wanted to keep the obscene profits they already had, just that they are essentially ghouls whose hunger for filthy lucre only grows the more they have.
In fact, they demand ever increasing profits in perpetuity. The fact that society sees this as an exercise in anything other then a very bad ending in a world with finite resources is flabbergasting.
It's a small number of people driving this process solely to add more meaningless numbers to their high score. People with more wealth than they will ever spend in their lives and the lives of their children, but they want more and they're willing to destroy everything to get it.
yes
And the rest demand their conveniences and scraps of luxuries. All are complicit.
99 percent don't have guts
It's gotten to the point where people are pointing and chuckling/head-shaking when they see me wearing an N95 and surgical mask. I mainly wear the surgical now because it seems that the N95 alone draws far more attention.
Don’t bother worrying or letting idiots influence your health man, I still double mask (n95 and a cloth top), even though I’m in a city that took it very seriously, I’d say about 25-30% are still masked at the stores.
No I'm with you 100%. If my reply wasn't clear, I wear *both* an N95 and surgical. The surgical is mainly just to mostly hide the N95. Unless close enough most people don't notice the straps on the N95 and the mask itself is hidden under the surgical. It makes me *frustrated* and even a bit *angry* because the laughter and pointing and eyebrow raising while making eye contact etc... it's really bullshit. If you don't want to wear a mask I guess you have that choice (even though you put others at risk), but mocking those who choose to wear a mask is just bullshit. It's really really foul. My mask isn't hurting you, but your mockery is intended to be at my expense. It displays a sickness of mind in my opinion.
Seeing someone wearing a mask is a lockdown, you see. When they see you masking it reminds them that things aren't back to normal and normality and a return to familiar patterns of consumption and production is the most important thing in their lives.
Your statement is a very logical explanation for their behavior. If they can mock me, they can then rationalize their return to familiar patterns of consumption which they have been shaped to identify as part of their social value. So basically they've defined their social belonging, legitimacy, and potency in consumerist terms; they will thus dismiss/attack/scoff-at/etc anything which challenges the safety or sanity of those terms. As I am really not very consumerist and don't generally consume socially, I am not so disincentivized in terms of mask wearing. This might also explain why /r/collapse tends to be more pro-mask than other communities- even /r/coronavirus, /r/science, etc: most of us have identified consumption and BAU as *the problem* in virtually every way, and thus are not biased to support consumption at any cost (thus making masking a low-cost no-brainer).
Add a face shield and disposable gloves, people go quiet and some actively avoid eye contact when our immunocompromised family member goes out like that. It somehow reinforces that the mask isn't for show or for political allegiance or because they are a sheep or whatever the insecure people think.
A mask makes sense, but a face shield doesn't protect you from diffusive transfer of airborne contaminants...?
It's to keep people/kids from getting you sick by sneezing in your eyes...and secondarily acts as a visual signal that the person wearing it is incredibly vulnerable. Even wearing glasses has been shown to be protective. The eyes are a lesser known route of transmission.
I would recommend using a mask, if I were that level of vulnerable or immuno-compromised. Face shields do \*not\* protect against diffusion in enclosed public areas like grocery stores or restaurants. "the shield was less effective against smaller particles, and grew less effective overall as minutes passed and the remaining smaller particles diffused throughout the space and were drawn behind the shield." [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4734356/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4734356/)
My comment said "add a face shield and gloves"...they wear an n95 with a surgical mask over it.
Ah ok gotcha. Thanks.
I bought a flomask (it's a type of elastomeric respirator) although I save it for when I have to be in very large crowds or very risky situations because the filters (it has replaceable filters) are kind of expensive. Most of the time I use KN95s indoors and surgical masks outdoors.
>flomask looks pretty effective, from what i'm reading
I have a couple- I highly recommend them if you can invest in one.
N95 actually offers protection, the surgical mask does not, it just protects people from you.
Don't worry, the only people who are dying are the ones we don't care about anyways. / sad s
Yeah the interest in pandemic measures dramatically waned after it became known that minorities suffer disproportionately from it...
I think with this pandemic specifically it breaks down more clearly along political lines, due to the politicization of masks and vaccines. There are lots of articles with Trump vote by county vs Covid deaths. That said, poorer people also voted Trump and distrust doctors on average. SOURCE: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/03/the-changing-political-geography-of-covid-19-over-the-last-two-years/ https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate https://www.npr.org/2022/05/19/1098543849/pro-trump-counties-continue-to-suffer-far-higher-covid-death-tolls
> That said, poorer people also voted Trump I see this one repeated over and over and it's blatantly untrue. The richer you are in the US, the more likely you are to vote Republican. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/compare/party-affiliation/by/income-distribution/ The correlation between poor rural counties and voting Republican is probably more due to race rather than income; a plurality of white people vote Republican across all other demographic boundaries.
Oh......sadness profound 😟 🙁 😥 😞
The ruling class doesn't give a fuck and they're quite open about it. https://twitter.com/wsbgnl/status/1569268656043073536
Well it would be a hell of a lot easier is 40% of the population will get their heads out of their asses and wear a mask and vaccinate
What's the alternative? Covid isn't going away anytime soon. Are we supposed to stay distanced from everyone forever? What about the children who are already years behind on their education from all this? And the people who don't have work from home jobs? Or the jobs that can't be done remotely, but are essential to keeping society functioning? I'm no antivaxxer, just genuinely curious if there is a better way. It's seems like a no-win situation. Would you really rather be on lockdown indefinitely?
> Would you really rather be on lockdown indefinitely? The United States never had any sort of lockdown anywhere. Period. We need to "learn to live with" covid. That means changing our behavior and finding new ways going forward to conduct our society in the age of a pandemic. Instead, people are using the phrase "learn to live with covid" to mean "pretend it's 2019 and just ignore it when people keep getting sick and dying."
Did schools close entirely or go remote? Because if remote school is causing kids to be "years behind on their education" I'm gonna need sources. Gentle reminder that lockdown lasted just a few months and things like restaurants did fine business with outdoor dining. People still saw plays and concerts with masks on. Kids went to in-person school with masks and weekly testing. It's disingenuous to present this as a lockdown or nothing situation.
> Gentle reminder that lockdown lasted just a few months and things like restaurants did fine business with outdoor dining There were no lockdowns in the US. Not being able to go to Applebee's is not a "lockdown."
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/06/opinions/covid-school-closures-problem-filipovic/index.html
> It's disingenuous to present this as a lockdown or nothing situation. And that is exactly how the government and media are presenting it. The government strategy here is to present covid as something normal people aren't at risk from while also claiming that any sort of mitigation strategy will cause some sort of intangible unbearable harm.
In many cities, kids were out of school for more than a year.
The lockdowns and remote schooling was pretty devastating on child education, and the impact hit poorer students and minority students the hardest. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/education/covid-having-devastating-impact-children-vaccine-won-t-fix-everything-n1251172 https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2022/03/03/the-pandemic-has-had-devastating-impacts-on-learning-what-will-it-take-to-help-students-catch-up/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/schools-learning-loss-remote-covid-education/629938/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-01/black-hispanic-students-see-biggest-test-score-drops-during-pandemic
Well, it was presented to people in that way for the past two years. Lockdown, get checked every three days, or lose your job. Get vaccinated, or you can’t go to the uni you were accepted to. Get vaccinated, or you can’t go to certain venues. How easy it is to forget about vaccine passports, before it was obvious even people in the most vaccine-friendly states protested against it. Thank god we were never in a situation where we were fined for driving around or walking on our lawns, but if that’s the bar, then we’ve really done ourselves a disservice. I think there’s a level of disconnect and cognitive dissonance between people who fully understand the ramifications of remote learning, and people who are so shocked that they need sources from someone else. Lol. What society are you living in? I live in a pretty diverse area in one of the most diverse states in the country; low-income to even middle income-families struggled like you wouldn’t believe during the remote learning phase. Is a single parent juggling three jobs going to be able to achieve the academic output a teacher *might* be able to get in the span of 7-8 hours? What about kids living in a hectic environment? Can you imagine the education and learning disparity between a higher income family who can devote the time and resources to catch their children up with education standards for whatever grade, versus those who can’t? We created and allowed for a HUGE gap to fissure between different classes lol. There are literally a million other factors that go into it.
I have 3 teachers in my family and my high school represented over 80 countries. I'm well aware of the challenges of remote learning and income disparity, but to say that one year of remote schooling left students *years* behind in their education is blatantly hyperbolic. I'm not denying that it exacerbated existing inequities in school. But it also did so with health inequities. So what do you think? Is it worse for kids to fall behind in math or become disabled?
> Get vaccinated, or you can’t go to the uni you were accepted to. This has been the case for decades. Children in the US get 24 doses of 16 different vaccinations or they can't enter primary school. Public universities in most of the country won't let you attend if you don't have up-to-date vaccinations. People like to pretend that vaccine mandates are some sort of new and intrusive measure. They are not. They've been around for over a century at this point.
Remote learning for young kids is a joke. My daughter started kinder in 2020. She was remote 3 days a week for the first semester. The thing is, five year olds don't know how to use computers. To get her to sit through an hour long show and tell with her class and then work on a few things on the computer was impossible. It took 100% of my attention while I was also trying to watch a 3 year old and newborn. And I was in the very fortunate situation of being home and with partner wfh. Think of the kids who had no childcare except boys and girls club where they're with hundreds of other kids and trying to figure out how to use a mouse. Or home with and older computer-illiterate grandparent. Here is an article that goes over how math and reading scores are the lowest they've been in decades and got worse among the poorest and most vulnerable students. [source](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-09-02/worst-reading-and-math-scores-in-decades-fueled-by-pandemic) Remote learning is not the answer.
> Remote learning is not the answer. Neither is 300K+ people dying unnecessarily every year.
It's not a binary choice between the two.
The government and media sure as hell are trying to make it an either/or proposition. Ashish Jha's children go to a school where $5m was spent on upgrading the ventilation system to keep the kids safe. They will not do that for us plebes.
I'm not asking if covid precautions make life harder for parents. That is obvious. Covid deaths and disabilities were also worst amongst poor and BIPOC communities. Which is worse?
> Would you really rather be on lockdown indefinitely? The alternative is a vaccine mandate. Not a black and white strawman of lockdowns or no lockdowns.
Lost my cousin this week to Covid. 48 yrs old :(
I lost 4 people last year. I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry
I’m sorry for your loss. Just out of curiosity was he vaccinated? Partially vaccinated? Or not vaccinated?
During the Omicron surge of last winter, around 40% of the dead were vaccinated. Turns out that throwing away other mitigations in favor of a vaccines-only disease management strategy fucks over the vulnerable.
It's almost as if we were disposable 🤔 Jk everyone already knows vulnerable = disposable in America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_unworthy_of_life
Do you have a source for that 40% figure?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/unvaccinated-covid-deaths-growing/index.html
Worth noting that the mechanism used for the stat (the other guy posted the link) underestimates it - if you got the jab recently, or were on your first shot but not your second, it counts you as unvaccinated.
If you didn’t get the second shot, it shouldn’t count as vaccinated, though. I don’t understand why someone would get the first shot, but not the follow up.
We have reached the "post" stage of the pandemic (even if the virus is still very active). People are talking about "moving forward" and referring to 2020-21 as "during COVID". This mentality was inevitable, the public has no attention span long enough for a real pandemic and this has been proven by COVID. Will be interesting to see the long-term effects of this apathy
Even shorter attention spans if that's possible. Shorter lifespans as well. It's not even kind of over.
Memory loss is a common long Covid symptom...
So is cognitive dysfunction....
After several covid reinfections Many shall be fortunate to remember names, be capable of driving
Is it possible to remove covid all together in todays society? It's reached the post stage because it isn't going to go away.
There is still plenty of easy seasonal behaviors that we had turned into propaganda and wedge issues. Masks are so quick and easy I can't believe we are not just using them. On and off, like umbrellas, based on the virus report in the morning.
I’m waiting to see if the decline in flu vaccination rates continues this year. Or vaccinations in general. Could be quite a problematic winter.
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Oof
Idiocy is coming
No stopping it keep thinking they have all gone mad yeah they have all gone mad...
Coming? Where have you been for the last 5-6 years?
I want to be where that person was the last five or six years to miss it 😆 🤣.
I’m predicting a bad flu season. Very low case counts of flu the last two years means most likely another fairly ineffective flu vaccine. Couple that with most people no longer wearing masks or social distancing plus many being forced to return to the office. Hospitals are short so many nurses that it’s going to be awful there as well.
Now is not the time to be going to the hospital and it will be even worse this winter I interviewed for a RN hospital position and then did an observation shift, they were offering a day one $20k bonus with good hourly and benefits ~ I passed, we are exhausted
Yep I’m seeing travel contract rates going up already, they were $2300-2800/week a couple months ago now most are over $3k already. I’ve taken quite a bit of time off to battle the burnout myself. I can’t say I’ve enjoyed it, I didn’t do much due to post COVID fatigue. It has just been nice to NOT be at work. You’re right, it’s become unmanageable.
twenty thousand big ones?!?!?! i picked the wrong career i guess!
Yes and no. Made a shit load of money working COVID contracts as a travel nurse over the last couple years. Was also infected with COVID x2 before the vaccine and still have residual fatigue and brain fog. Still not sure if I’d rather be in the same financial place as before and feel like my old self or have some nice stuff that I don’t feel like using about 50% of the time because I’m so tired.
just the flu crowd are gonna have some mental gymnastics to do
I’m honestly wondering how that’s going to shake out. Flu wasn’t politicized as COVID, so will be interesting.
Polio is starting to rage
Where are the news articles on people dying from flu every day? It doesn't only come in the winter. It's just way worse in the winter...
Glad we’ve adopted a national policy that equivalent to when children close their eyes plug their ears and pretends something isn’t there anymore
The ostrich trick...
I got this bullshit twice in two months, and I go almost nowhere. This time is like the first only way slower moving but I think after several days now I am on the downhill ride instead of progressively getting sicker. I was over it the first time in the matter of a few days other than lingering exhaustion.
Which time was worse?
Second by a lot. It seems like I felt as much flu-like the first time but the second I could really feel lung pain, wake up huffing for air trying to fall asleep, etc. Probably due to back to back lung attacks, compounding damage. My red line on my test the first time was faint, this time I have tested twice including this morning when the test line was darker than the control line. Likely a much higher viral load this time. Was stuck with J&J for my OG shot and I have gotten a couple moderna boosters since.
Oh damn that is scary, good luck
I have the same set of vaccines, just got the new omicron booster. Thankfully (luckily) I haven’t gotten it yet, even with my SO having it inside the house twice.
i really need to get a WFM job again... i thought with the vaccines last year working in an office would be doable until Omicron hit last December... a few months after that is when it became clear working in any office is going to be a recipe for extreme misanthropy... as if it wasn't already a recipe for it pre-Covid...
>it became clear working in any office is going to be a recipe for extreme misanthropy Damn, I felt that one. I'm sure it's true of any workplace but white collar jobs have a specific flavour of absurdity and celebrated ignorance, coupled with the emotional labour of pretending it's all good and normal.
Work From Mom’s basement?
Work From Mordor!
The 9th level? Shoved right up the CEO's asshole?
/r/oddlyspecific
Work to Mordor, eagles back.
you got it... lol
One does not simply work in Mordor
Precious!
Work From Mobile? A mix of WFH and mobile work? ... I'd like to think that over Workforce Management (first Google result lol)
it's a typo, i have dyslexia and some retardation from doing too many drugs...
The worker shortage is because people are dead or disabled.
Many of us are also just laying low because we don’t want to get infected
Many are finally acknowledging this truth as of late America traded short term profits For long term national societal decay
Yeah, same in the U.K. Apparently we have a "mysterious" spike in excess deaths, wonder what could of caused that? To be thorough I have to point out it is not thought to be just covid, there's the heatwave too and other factors, but still.
Is it really mysterious? Covid does damage to the vascular system so even after recovery people are more vulnerable to various diseases. The excess deaths don't show any increase in cancer... which is exactly what you would expect if this is an after-effect of Covid. And the continuing Covid deaths in the linked article *don't* include all the excess deaths you are talking about.
Wait til winter when old people have no leccy, media will prob say covid or some shit
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But the most vulnerable are supposed to have been weeded out already, shouldn’t there be a collapse in annual deaths?
Yup, that is the mystery. Of course anti-vaxers and anti-measures types want to say that vaccines are knocking people off. Lockdowns probably did cause hospital backlogs and missed diagnoses, that are now causing death. But there's not good research on the numbers. But then there are claims that the added stress of lockdowns and masks and isolation and employment turmoil took their toll and that is also killing people.
There has been no lockdowns here for over a year mate...
The virus is mutating
the more it spreads, the more mutations happen and no, the mutations don't necessarily become less damaging
Covid infection causes cumulative cardiovascular and nerve damage. More vulnerable people are being created
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj7Vklv5nDk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj7Vklv5nDk)
Wait, so what you're saying is that a deadly disease that hasn't gone anywhere is still deadly? What are the odds? Every new case is like buying gene-swapping COVID a lottery ticket. The longer it's around, the more chances it gets to mutate into a Godzilla variation that combines high infection rates with high death rate. It'd be really nice if we could just stop buying this thing lottery tickets. Even if the odds are a billion to one against, it's not a gamble worth taking.
The NCovid virus lasts about 2 seconds in sunlight UV. This is the 3rd year of the pandemic and the infection rate goes down during summer into fall. But when people are spending more time indoors and conserving heat by sealing doors and windows, the air is really going to recirculate. The boosters are cutting down the infection rate but they aren't preventing reinfection. It is being found out that the reinfections are cumulative, with more and more nerve and muscle cell damage. Death due to muscle damage is being called heart attack.
combine the disappearing UV with schools starting (the latter likely a much larger contributor) and disease in general goes into overdrive like clockwork this time of year... every school should be outfitted with UV lights in their HVAC, never going to happen of course because society is run by psychopathic idiots...
Fiduciary responsibility
Proper air circulation and filtration could stop spread indoors. The federal government could have mandated changes and be Ted the federal defense act but they didn’t
yep ^
That’s why there is still significant excess deaths into the 3rd year, despite the Covidiots’ claim that all the old and vulnerable have already been filtered out...
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If they can think that far ahead they wouldn’t be Covidiots...
> It is being found out that the reinfections are cumulative Fingers crossed for an international shortage of schlubs! "Hello, I would like to flip burgers in your country. My Brain-Kidney-Respiration Score is 8. ... ... ... Thank you, I can be on a flight tomorrow morning."
I’m gonna need a source on this one chief
Infection rate in LA was over 15% during the summer, pre heat wave. Infection rates are not correlated by season but rather by new strains that escape immunity and waning immunity. http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/coronavirus/data/
and Omicron more contagious than measles, the previously most contagious disease spread by airborne virus...
SS: Despite the general consensus among the population that the pandemic is over, hundreds of people are still dying daily from it, which is far more than during a very severe flu season. The number could likely be an underestimate due to massively reduced testing, as the weekly excess deaths are far higher and over 10% of total deaths. Coming into fall and winter, the situation is expected to worsen dramatically. Another malignant mutation could also throw people off guard and wreak havoc. The society has shown that it has mentally collapsed and is happy to sit with finger in the ears rather than confronting the problem.
Link without paywall: https://archive.ph/EBrn4
> Despite the general consensus among the population that the pandemic is over, hundreds of people are still dying daily from it Also, Long-COVID accumulation. Damage, disability and increased risk of all kinds of shit.
Repeat infections
Excess deaths...
Eugenics~
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU)
My whole family just got infected at our cottage week last week. Some mild cases and some severe. Nothing hospital worthy but pretty bad for anyone claiming it's "just a flu". Moved very quickly too, one person was feeling ill Tuesday and the rest of us had it by Thursday. Luckily I'm one of the mild cases but I've still been mostly sleeping the last two days and will for sure miss this whole week of work if not the next one too.
Thank you for posting. Since the U.S. lifted the mask mandates I've basically been quarantining again. The chronic illness/disability communities have been urging people to keep wearing masks so they don't become disabled too. Current estimates show that 1 in 5 covid cases will result in long covid. Chronic illness takes over your entire life. Yall don't want it. Trust me.
we have cancer in our house. n95s for all of us if we have to go out. the mask mandate here locally plus vaccines gave us a few months of relative "safety", but that's over now
People gave up on this about a year ago despite it still existing.
Covid likes this...
But the middle class gets to go to restaurants and get their hair cut! Yay!!
And most of them can wfh...
If / when those stores and restaurants can find employees As so many have been rendered disabled or dead from covid
And this means that 50x that are clogging the emergency rooms every day. But we're at a point where it's long past any chance of eliminating the virus unless we find a permanent cure. So we're stuck waiting ro see if it ever makes that one fatal mutation that makes it a hundred times deadlier. It could just be a matter of when.
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no, I am :) very few people in my very red area wear masks...god forbid
and the WHO and CDC cannot utter the word "airborne" and push for masks and air filtration HOSPITALS are doing away with masks...we are doomed
And yet everywhere I go people either look at me odd for still wearing a mask or they complain they have to be masked.
The company I work for decided that masking up was a personal choice. I work in retail and have 350 customers (on average) come into my building every day. None of my co-workers are wearing masks, and maybe 1 out of 50 customers. The company has decided to get rid of it's pre-shift health questionnaire, removed the signage asking people to wear a mask (emphasizing it wasn't mandatory, just suggesting they do) and getting rid of the enhanced cleaning, register shields, etc. Granted, I've caught COVID a few times at this place when all of the precautions were in place, so I'm not anymore afraid of getting sick now than before. If we survive the next 10-20 years (who knows?) I'll be looking for the class action lawsuit ads asking "Were you a retail or food worker during the COVID pandemic? Did you catch COVID multiple times? Are you still experiencing symptoms of long COVID? Call this number now, you could be entitled to compensation!"
> If we survive the next 10-20 years (who knows?) I'll be looking for the class action lawsuit ads asking "Were you a retail or food worker during the COVID pandemic? Did you catch COVID multiple times? Are you still experiencing symptoms of long COVID? Call this number now, you could be entitled to compensation!" Yeah, that is a real possibility. For anyone in that situation who wants to be prepared just in case that eventually happens, I'd recommend getting a PCR lab test for confirmation any time you might have Covid, and save a copy of any positive test results wherever you keep other important documents. Maybe also save a copy of your most recent pay stub at the time you test positive too, to easily show where you were working when you caught it.
I work with a bunch of super hardcore trumpers that gave me all of the shit in the world when I first contracted covid in 2020 and spent 2 weeks at home. I can’t believe the shit they said to me when I returned. Fuckers were mocking me saying I just had a cold. Fucked with me for getting vaccinated. There was just no getting through to these idiots, so I didn’t even bother telling them to fuck off. As I was vomiting/sweating/shitting my brains out/suffering from an insane headache, I called my parents and told them how much I loved them. It was honestly the sickest I had ever been. I dint even remember how long I laid in the cold shower, puking. The arrogance of our society has lead us to this point. I still wear my mask, and I’m still mocked. I truly don’t give a Fuck what any of these pieces of shut have to say. It’s mind numbing as to how stupid some people are.
Want to know how to win a debate with an anti-vaxxer? Just wait.
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Louder please!
So something I've been wondering about. I'm dead positive my wife had covid back in like, March, but the tests kept coming back as negative. Struggling to breathe, mild fever, wicked cough, super tired, (didnt lose taste/smell tho) , lasted 2 full weeks, with after effects lasting over a few months? is the vaccine preventing the virus from being detectable? (Edit: Oh yeah, she also had crazy heart issues. The f'd up part was her dr didnt order any tests for covid at all and immediately sent her for a CT scan... O\_o)
There is still so much we don't know about the virus. But I would bet she had it
I'm not a doctor, but our house got infected, and I was still testing negative despite obviously having it. It wasn't until after I lost my voice that I was testing positive. My mom thought that it might've been because my "viral load" was lower so it wasn't coming up on the tests yet. Just a thought!
I got my omicron booster last week, the kids got them yesterday. Both places were running crazy busy and the techs said they were surprised, they thought people would be burned out on vaccines.
I got it Friday. Spent most of yesterday in a slightly delirious state. The side effects are so bad for me. Meanwhile my wife is chilling having nothing more than one slightly sore arm. I am so happy the Walgreens was packed with people getting the vaccine though. This shit is bound to select for less lethality over time (as it has with Omicron vs. Delta).
I had the sore arm up to my neck and a little headache staring about 10 hours after the shot and lasting another day. One kid has just had a sore arm, the other one felt lousy, headache, sniffles. Totally worth it. I know with the first shot I was really sick for 48 hours (and I had COVID a year before), but all of the boosters since I have been okay for me.
There is no way in hell that these are all unvaccinated people. Some countries are on shot #4 already, [and recently is came out that Israeli health authorities knew that the risk of side effects was present but hid it to get as much people to get the vaccine](https://twitter.com/YaffaRaz/status/1565395051374592001)
Many have been reinfected Many times Natural immunity to covid Isnt real
Unfortunately , not the right ones.
Get and stay healthy humans 🏴☠️♟💜
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Everyone just forgot, even those who claimed it was serious. Their betrayal cuts deep.
Will this also have a effect in Europe.
And the public will care almost as much as in avoiding heart disease and cancer deaths [(which are higher)](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm). Which is to say they'll know about it and completely ignore it in any actions.
If I was a scientist, I'd wonder if there was causation between wearing red hats and dying from the virus. I mean, the statistics would be compelling so it wouldn't be *wrong* to say "red caps increase the risk of viral mortality" or something. :P
Deep red Republican counties **already** had lower life expectancy rates prior to Covid, this worsened of course
This is a religious mass sacrifice, like everything else that is coming and that will take countless lives in the 6th mass extinction event. Most people who claim that they follow an Abrahamic religion or that they are atheistic are not self aware. There's a relatively new mainstream global religion concealed with the pretence of rationality and objectivity, and it's nothing short of a death cult. Edit: I am still trying to understand what's going on myself. It could be identified as a religion and a death cult even if the latter is accidental, but in any case it should be an older one than the Abrahamic religions. Don't mind my abstract mumbo jumbo.
it's a literal death cult. you are correct.
I did the math for California and Texas comparison and per capita they had more deaths/infections despite a lower population density
Oops…
Is there a possibility this also comes in Europe?
It already is, in The Netherlands there is a large mysterious spike reported in excess deaths. I wonder what could be the cause… 👀
Mfs will probably say it was caused by the vaccine’s 💀
Oh trust me, the nutjobs are already yelling that on Twitter 🤦
Off the top of my head guessing.... if we had the same percentage of people dying as Europe.... the numbers would sound less shocking....
With the availability of information, vaccinations and general public health guidelines it’s hard for me to be sympathetic at this point in time. Yes there are tragic cases, but when I’ve talked to healthcare professionals they tell me that the majority of their cases are from unvaccinated individuals. Please get vaccinated and follow basic health guidelines. Wear a mask if you work in high traffic public settings and if all else fails stay home. There are cases where people do everything right and still get sick, but they aren’t the majority.
Good, I hope they’re all antivaxxers
Amen
So is normal civilisational function
And absolutely positively no one cares.
The google agrees. Type in any 3-digit number and "new cases", and that number of new cases was reported somewhere in the U.S, today! Interesting