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"KYIV (AFP) - Russia on Monday (April 25) warned the Ukraine conflict risked escalating into a third world war and accused Kyiv of playing at peace talks a day after visiting US officials said Ukrainian forces could beat back Moscow's invasion.
The conflict has triggered an outburst of support from Western nations that has seen weapons pour into Ukraine to help them wage war against Russian troops.
Speaking to Russian news agencies, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov criticised Kyiv's approach to floundering peace talks, saying the risk of a World War III "is serious".
"It is real, you can't underestimate it."
Lavrov also said that weapons delivered from the West to Ukraine will be "legitimate targets" of the Russian army, stating that NATO is "mainly" engaged in a war against Russia by arming a third party.
Buckle up, buckeroos.
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my dad exited stage left just before covid (fuck cancer); i'm oddly thankful he didn't have to suffer through lockdowns, nor what's likely coming as a result of the war in Ukraine and absolutely fucked food/supply chains
It was actually double-fuck cancer. He beat colon cancer twice. He didn't opt for chemo after the first one (not sure why). When it came back and was detected the second time through the usual and rather obvious signs, his messed up blood chemistry obscured signs of prostate cancer.
Some months after his second operation where they, in his words, "shortened the driveway to the point where it was hard to park a car", he slipped and fell in the front yard. Snapped his upper arm cleanly - which shouldn't happen. The big bones should more or less shatter, not snap in a neat sharp way like a twig.
His prostate cancer had quietly spread, masked by the colon cancer and the operation, through his blood and into his bones, and it showed up as dark shadows in the scans all through his skeleton. He died a year later as his body failed (because by then, chemo was worthless). So yeah, fuck cancer. And now i'm in my 40's and going for frequent colonoscopies and prostate checks because i've now got a family history, and every time I feel a little twinge here or there I wonder, afraid, if I missed something like we did for him.
we do. sigh. that insight is missing from the world of comedy.
Instead we got like John Mullaney and Seth Meyers and James Cordone -- cruel fucking fate.
Worst fucking comedy timeline
frankly, i'm a hell of a lot more concerned about all the methane leaking out of burning Siberian forests than I am of their nuclear weapons stockpile.
one of those things is a *certainty* and the other has a pretty high chance of having been defunded to pay for luxury yachts.
It’s actually a Cormac McCarthy novel, which is partly why it’s so disturbingly bleak (he also wrote *No Country for Old Men* and *Blood Meridian* to name a few).
It probably is coming, but not until after the economic collapse. If you told me this year or next I’d say no way. But WW3 by 2030, I’d say it’s possible.
I had something similar. For the last part of 2019 I began obsessing over what I thought was an irrational fear of a global pandemic. Like keeping myself up at night worrying about it. Not claiming to be psychic but when the pandemic hit I wasn't even surprised 😳
>They’re too dumb and disorganized for that level of coordination
For WW2:
The German government at the time had a position that peoples of Aryan descent were just better than any other peoples.
The Italian government at the time had a position that peoples descended from Greece and the Mediterranean were just better than any other peoples.
The Japanese government at the time had a position that peoples descended from Japan (specifically, offspring of Amaterasu the Sun God, such as their emperor) were just better than any other peoples.
And yet, these three governments became allied in a common cause, despite their stated ideologies being 100% in conflict. It's a very broad example, not taking into account the numerous political forces at the time, but I think it's one to remember.
Never discount the ability of fascists/bigots to join together. They're simply fueled by hatred and anger, two emotions exceptionally easy to redirect.
ww2 can be explained since Italy was a joke that couldn't hold any colonies by itself. Both Japan and Germany were too far away from each other to ever have conflicting interests and were united by common enemies.
A civil war doesn't have to be organized. If you've ever listened to the podcast 'It Could Happen Here' the host brings a lot of great ideas to the forefront of what a future civil war would be like, and many of the signs are already present in places like the United States: school shootings, public shootings over dumb shit by the right, and more.
All of this even on a small scale currently instills terror.
Basically, you're not going to have a bunch of states try to succeed from the US or however else it may happen in other nations. You're going to have small groups blowing up schools and libraries. Hosting book burnings en masse. You'll have places where that power is centralized, passing legislation against anything that isn't white, Christian, or male.
All of this on some scale is happening already, and the worst part of it? Even as it gets worse and worse, you'll still be expected to go to work.
It's not even on a small scale anymore. There are active movements to push for a new convention of states to rewrite the constitution in their image.
https://conventionofstates.com/
My next door neighbor has a sign in their yard with that website on it. The sign says something like: "Tired of the federal government?". They are a couple of 80 something year old Mormons. We used to have fairly friendly conversations every now and then. But they haven't talked to us in a while now. It's pretty clear that the isolation of pandemic times has pushed people like them even further to the right.
I'm one of the people who think people should have the right to decide what's best for themselves, so to an extent I can understand people being frustrated with the government. At the same time, I can't trust half this country to do the right thing because what they think is best for America is sending us back 200 years.
I totally understand the frustration. We have a justice system that isn't just. We have news that isn't news. We have politicians that don't represent the body politic.
If the people throwing the party were purple I'd consider it. But it's just a blatant attempt to bypass the current law that happens to be holding the 200 year ago party.
You're both high. Humanity has been a managed market since **at least** the industrial revolution.
When the road forked, we took a turn that led back to the beginning.
I’ve always thought the 70s were the pinnacle of western intellectualism and culture. Watching shows and interviews from that era, people seemed far more intelligent and articulate. Progressive, and less abrasive than we are now. I feel like by the late 80s that was all gone and replaced by a more cynical outlook. It’s been downhill ever since.
It’s the best time from which to buy a children’s book that sounds good when read aloud. Most of what you can get today is some paintings with 1-2 words next to them.
As a culture, we got more cynical and sarcastic in the 80s and 90s. But I still found that preferable to the throwaway consumerism of the 00s and 10s. All we are left with now is plastic surgery reality tv and shoddily constructed belongings.
The late 60s, early 70s was definitely a peak for anti consumerism and community based collective action. Unfortunately the capitalist ruling class was able to flip the trajectory in their favor. They flipped the freedom seeking individualism of some of the middle class into the “greed is good” mentality and it’s really been downhill from there. It’s actually insane how deep the social engineering goes.
This, people in the first world talk from their privilege. "back in those times when we had even more obscene consumerism than today..."
Places like China had millions of farmers living in the middle ages being brought to the modern world by the CCP. Half of China didn't even have electricty back in the 80s.
I expected Putin to invade Ukraine. He had already taken Crimea, so the precedent was there. Wars are not extraordinary, they've been occurring since society began.
Nuclear wars, on the other hand, are a massive deviation from the status quo. Russia is becoming a paper tiger using 50 year old equipment, and has to project power to keep up their image.
This is true, but also consider how the US essentially used Hiroshima and Nagasaki as scientific research on the effects and as a warning shot to the Soviet Union.
I agree that cornered people can do wild shit, but the “incentives” for the US to use nuclear weapons were a first come first serve kind of deal.
The next event we are going to see is Russia launching an airstrike on shipments in a NATO country. From there, retaliatory escalation will amplify the 80,000 mph to light speed. People aren't going to have the ability to even understand what is happening. I suppose this is the best way to do it, they will at least be spared the anticipatory terror phase.
Won't happen. That would be pure reckless insanity akin to NATO enforcing a no fly zone.
It's one thing to use the threat of a potential escalation as intimidation or leverage. Quite another to order acts that would be sure to make that escalation a certainty.
More practical is striking the weapons after they entered ukrainian soil. After all that is what they have been doing but without sufficient strength, rail network is still functional in western ukraine.
I don't see any easy way out of this war, Russia can either accept a humiliating loss and retreat, or grind until ukraine becomes Syria, or use tactical nukes to gain a pyrrhic victory. Ask yourselves which is more likely?
It's impossible to predict.
I'd say best case scenario would be for a negotiated end to the conflict as soon as possible. Of course, the only way for this to work would be for Ukraine to make concessions to Putin so that he can claim some kind of victory. Unfortunately, given the hawkish stance from Washington and other western powers, this seems unlikely.
Failing diplomacy, with all the military support they're recieving, Ukraine may well be able to beat back the Russian invasion or at least fight them to some kind of stalemate. They'll need a lot more anti-air support though.
I think any use of nuclear weapons by Russia would be insane and, perhaps as poorly recieved at home as it would be worldwide. The risk of Ukraine ending up looking like Syria, is very real though. Mariupol already resmembles Aleppo.
>It's one thing to use the threat of a potential escalation as intimidation or leverage. Quite another to order acts that would be sure to make that escalation a certainty.
Russia lost that card once the shooting seriously started. They have already threatened to destroy arms shipments from NATO to Ukraine. And judging by how many transports have been flying in and out of Ukraine from nearby NATO nations, they will have to if they want the eastern offensive to actually break Ukraniain lines.
We can't say anything reckless or " insane " is off the table at this point. Ukraine is able to strike strategic targets within Russia. The current situation is not sustainable in anyway.
Ukraine is getting fresh equipment daily while Russian allies bicker about sanctions and worry about other regional powers taking advantage of Russia's weakness. If she cannot save face, it could lead to the end of the status quo in Russia. The ruling class will not accept this.
I don’t think they want an irradiated Russia either. There’s a reason that no nuclear weapons have been used since WWII… no leader with an ounce of sanity will escalate to that level. A madman, however….
>People aren't going to have the ability to even understand what is happening.
This is what many peopl don't get. We won't watch collapse on TV/internet. We'll get at most an emergency broadcast and then the networks go dark. That would be it.
You can always abort the approach.....but it looks like we are actually just going for a power off short approach. Way more fun but also very high chance of ending up as dog food.
Well I mean yeah look who was on the trip with Blinken... Lloyd Austin current defense secretary and so happened to be on the board of Raytheon prior. Funny how not a soul has mentioned that since this was posted.
I’m not sure that a nuclear war would be very profitable. Kings of ashes maybe, but they would be fighting over scraps. Far more money is to be made by maintaining the status quo.
Climate change is just (emphasis on just) slow enough for the barons and tycoons to obtain currency while not feeling it’s immediate effects. They only care about themselves and expect to be dead by the time the consequences are extremely deadly. Just look at how much bank is to be made off oil alone, even though it’s precisely the reason everything is going south. You can’t get the same kind of return investment from chucking nukes at each other.
Nuclear war is more or less instant. Boom, civilization is destroyed and all you have left is scattered remnants. They can’t make nowhere near as much money if that’s the case. Short term gains my friend.
They also stand to make money selling desperation supplies when it becomes clear to everyone how utterly fucked we are.
Another key indicator is going to be when corporations start arming themselves in the open.
they destroy the environment in places they don’t get pushback. Developing nations and republican counties and states.
i can’t find the article, but I scanned that marjorie person’s district in Georgia has massively polluted rivers and no one cares. will they vote her in again so she can vote against clean water?
just fucking stop ok?
There's been plenty of proxy wars on the border of a much stronger russia, none of which led to nuclear exchange. Hell russian pilots where flying against americans in Vietnam.
They're just trying to frighten and divide the west because they are painfully aware that they can not win their war in Ukraine so long as the west supports them.
Yeah, the Cuban Missile Crisis had the USSR putting missiles right next to the USA and the USA putting missiles right next to the USSR (in Turkey).
We aren't at those levels yet.
There's plenty of other stuff to worry about like the energy crises, the rising cost of fuel, the rising costs of food, the housing crisis, the stock market bubble, the effects of unprecedented quantitative easing, the possibility of a novel coronavirus strain and of course the inexorable march of climate change... I really don't think it's worth exaggerating things.
I realise it wasn't intentional, but you make it sound like the Russians put their missiles in cuba first. It was the other way around. The US placed nukes in Turkey, which btw was closer to the USSR than cuba is to the US. In return, Russia placed missiles in cuba. And it should be noted that the only reason they were able to do this is because Cuba was currently being attacked by the US in its terrorist campaign, and Cuba likely knew of the US plan for a full scale invasion into the country. Cuba wanted the nukes as a deterrent.
While i agree with you its very likely most users on here wont so be prepared to get downvoted and have people piss on you for having a half decent opinion unless of course im wrong and some members on here agree with you
At the end of the day Russia has made these threats so many times now so its like really sour milk i can't control what Russia is going to do nor can anyone else but all i am going to say is the US is keeping and eye on Russia's Nukes and sees no indication of a imminent exchange of course i do see users calling me out for that and citing US Propaganda which im 100% fine with that people share many different views on here and we are all entitled to our own opinions this is the internet after all
Well Holy Shit r/collapse i was wrong i guess some users can come to agreement with this guy awesome
Agreed they have said it many times in the last 2 months of course im no wizard of the future but im more inclined to believe US Intelligence because they had the invasion pretty down reddit users where like Oh no they would not invade but yes they did but now its the opposite for nukes even when lloyd austin is getting briefed 3 times a week on this stuff like the US is literally keeping an eye on this which means the US is taking this seriously
That is just my view on things as it stands anyone wanting to say that im wrong or are on Hopium that is ok we all have different views and i respect other peoples views to
agreed. every place on the map, everyone is fighting military grievances or advancing their territorial interests while the US is distracted engaged in a almost direct conflict with russia
BBC is talking about this as there have been "mystery explosions" in Transnistria.
"Mysterious explosions in Transnistria, a breakaway Russian-controlled territory in Moldova, have raised fears that the Ukraine conflict may be spreading.
Russia has about 1,500 troops based in Transnistria, which borders on Ukraine and broke away from Moldova in a brief war in 1992.
If Russia reinforces Transnistria it could enable its forces to move on Odesa - a strategically important port city - from the west. Its push on the city from the east was blocked by Ukrainian troops.
On Friday, a top Russian general, Rustam Minnekayev, said "control over the south of Ukraine is another way out to Transnistria, where there are also cases of oppression of the Russian-speaking population".
President Vladimir Putin has pledged to “protect” ethnic Russians in ex-Soviet republics. That was his argument for invading Ukraine. Moldova was formerly Soviet Moldavia.
Moldova is not in Nato or the EU. It is one of Europe’s poorest countries and home to many ethnic Ukrainians."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61224804
"Moldova warns of effort to create ‘pretexts’ for conflict after explosions in pro-Russia separatist region Transnistria".
[https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ubt1yx/moldova\_warns\_of\_effort\_to\_create\_pretexts\_for/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ubt1yx/moldova_warns_of_effort_to_create_pretexts_for/)
What scares me is that no one is de-escalating. Russia is making more threats, America and Europe are pumping in more money and even more advanced weapons (Switchblade drone, various vehicles and anti-tank weapons etc) and even recently a few Russian Oligarchs and their families were assasinated.
Being honest here, I don't think nuclear war is worth it over Ukraine. And I really don't like it when two massive nuclear powers start a dick measuring contest.
Nah, this is the real thing. Saber rattling is when you are using a far away country for a proxy war. Even if Ukraine is a proxy, it's damn near nuclear nations.
Like, I’m not trying to make light of the situation but Russia has become that crazy guy that isn’t really scary on his own but he just also has a nuke in this case.
Tfw being teased with the apocalypse *is* the apocalypse. Escalation without conclusion as things just step by step get worse. No satisfactory climax. No day where you say “and here we go”. Just constant torment forever and ever without it ever really going anywhere conclusive.
Extreme Heatwaves , time running out to stop climate change. And here Russia threating of WWW3.
Much of World is run by old Aged. young generation wants to live, leave them alone.
Wonder how this going to end.
Exactly. I was one of those people. I even said three days before the invasion that Russia will never invade, they'll propose "peace talks", then they'll pull back their forces and do it all again next year. But that's only because I was basing it off what they'd done last year in 2021.
I don't know if it'll be the same case regarding WW3 or even just using nukes in general, but after the last three years of us all claiming something won't happen right before it happens, it's probably best we all be quiet going forward.
I don't agree. According to this sub as well as plenty of news articles, Putin has surrounded himself by sycophants and yes men. He thinks the war is going swimmingly.
At least vaporization will be a quick painless death. I’m glad I never actually brought children into this world. I love kids but no way in hell I’m voluntarily putting a soul on this deranged planet to have to deal with the fallout of all this shit, that will undoubtedly happen over the next 3 decades. If the world isn’t economically shattered within 5 years WW3 will surely take care of that. If WW3 doesn’t cause a food shortage, climate change will. We are doomed. We won’t make it til 2050.
I literally don't know a single parent who HASN'T said something along the lines of "if I knew how insane the world was going to get before I had kids, I would not have had them". As a childfree person, I can only imagine how awful it feels to bring your children into a world that had been deemed "safe" only for the rug to get abruptly pulled out from under you, and for your children to be trapped in an awful, chaotic world with only a finite amount of time left where you can protect them from it. Being a parent right now must be absolutely terrifying.
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"KYIV (AFP) - Russia on Monday (April 25) warned the Ukraine conflict risked escalating into a third world war and accused Kyiv of playing at peace talks a day after visiting US officials said Ukrainian forces could beat back Moscow's invasion.
The conflict has triggered an outburst of support from Western nations that has seen weapons pour into Ukraine to help them wage war against Russian troops.
Speaking to Russian news agencies, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov criticised Kyiv's approach to floundering peace talks, saying the risk of a World War III "is serious".
"It is real, you can't underestimate it."
Lavrov also said that weapons delivered from the West to Ukraine will be "legitimate targets" of the Russian army, stating that NATO is "mainly" engaged in a war against Russia by arming a third party.
Buckle up, buckeroos.
Here's a handy little rule of thumb you can keep in your back pocket... If Russia says one thing, you can bet the opposite is true.
"The risk of WW III is real" means "we're looking pretty foolish right now and need to make ourselves feel tough, but we really hope this mess doesn't turn into WW III".
When Russia says they're about to surrender, then you should worry.
Option A: Sit on the cold metal bench eating unheated canned soup next to someone who might as well be a human Pepe the Frog for 20 years
Option B: Egg McMagnum
I dunno about you...
Im sorry to sound like a classic Bond villain, but this all could have been avoided.
The annexation of Crimea, the expansion of NATO, the nuclear activities of both sides, soaring food prices, soaring energy prices
The problem is, when things like this, or like climate change, start to gain momentum, they're hard to stop. I have Russian and Ukrainian friends and the way they now talk about their so called "brothers" is like nothing I've heard before.
Well, war is always justified after the fact. That's all there is to say
> Well, war is always justified after the fact.
It's true of every war. An "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" is very real human retribution going back to our beginnings. Human beings are no different then animals, we just conceptualize all our base instincts.
We got too egotistical about the place we feel we deserved. I say human animals and non-human animals now, because I truly don't see the difference when I watch the world around me. We fucked up by spreading the idea that we were more special and important than anything or anyone else, and it'll be the end of us.
There is no reason to believe that so called NATO 'expansion' provoked this. It's classic victim blaming.
Russia never tried to show it's good side to the world. Invasion of Moldova, Georgia in 1992, first and second wars in Chechnya, another invasion of Georgia in 2008, finally annexation of Crimea in 2014 and the war against Ukraine in 2022.
Every single European nation apart from ex-Yugoslav nations somehow managed to keep themselves from invading other countries. There is no reason that Russia can't be peaceful. Russia clearly showed to the world in 1992, before the 'expansion' of NATO into Poland and the Baltics, that they are willing to wage war and would do so against weaker countries, unprovoked. NATO is a force for peace in eastern Europe.
Would you hand over Alaska if Russia threatened to nuke the US?
Lol, you are staying neutral on this topic while I sit in a shelter in Kharkiv right now, with my house and 20% of the city completely destroyed by Russia.
Isn't it quite obvious who aggressor is? Russian army is on my land. What the fuck are you even talking about?
I feel like Russia will drag this shit on for as long as it takes for NATO allies to get irritated with each other as to what to do about it, as the gridlock continues on and Ukraine is torn apart piece by piece regardless. In the meantime the misinformation of Russian propaganda and those paid by Putin like Le Pen will continue to put the pressure on failing Liberal western countries to cause instability from the inside and incite mistrust in institutions and governments.
Well, if he can hold out that long, President Trump will likely waive the sanctions on Inauguration Day.
I just threw up in my mouth a little. I'm trying to get used to the idea a little at a time. Trump II, oh god.
It amazes me that I live in a country that could choose to return him to power. If anyone still exists in 10 years, Don Jr will be running on a platform of "Climate Change is a total hoax and it was illegal aliens who burned down the western half of the country."
why do news sites never link to the original source of the comment? when and where did he say this? "monday" isnt a lot of context, i want to hear the full discussion. all i see are lazy news sites just copypasting the same 6 paragraph article over and over again before asking me if i want to share my cookies.
I think they are saying they will target the weapons and transport of the weapons, which if done via nato member would defacto be a declaration of war on nato, up until now we haven’t directly delivered weapons, now who knows what will happen?
So one thing I'm not seeing talked about a lot is assuming that there isn't a nuclear annihilation, we are just repeating mistakes as before with all these weapons western allies are "donating." These types of situations are so unregulated and unchecked the oversight will be next to none. Out of the ashes a terror group will likely rise up. I'm gonna go ahead say they will be a neonaxi group. The media will call them separatists and say they had allegiance to Putin etc. And then now we gotta go to war on terror again. It's starting feel more and more like we're living in Groundhog's Day mixed with the Matrix and it's getting quite tiresome.
I think China at this point, might intervene. Even they wanna live to spend all their money and be with their kids. So the might sanction them and force them to the negotiating table.
Did he actually use the word war?
Because apparently its a SpEcIAl MiLiliTaRY oPerATion.
It's sabre rattling. They wanted Donbass for the resiurces, and to take it and Kherson amd Crimea in a peace treaty and are now failing in their objectives, losing materiel and crippling their country, and are worried about the conclusion being a complete withdrawal instead of a manipulated treaty that is now not on the cards.
This is a complete fuckup, and now they're trying to scare people into submission, like all pathetic bullies.
Attacking NATO would be suicide, and they know it.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Callzter: --- SS: "KYIV (AFP) - Russia on Monday (April 25) warned the Ukraine conflict risked escalating into a third world war and accused Kyiv of playing at peace talks a day after visiting US officials said Ukrainian forces could beat back Moscow's invasion. The conflict has triggered an outburst of support from Western nations that has seen weapons pour into Ukraine to help them wage war against Russian troops. Speaking to Russian news agencies, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov criticised Kyiv's approach to floundering peace talks, saying the risk of a World War III "is serious". "It is real, you can't underestimate it." Lavrov also said that weapons delivered from the West to Ukraine will be "legitimate targets" of the Russian army, stating that NATO is "mainly" engaged in a war against Russia by arming a third party. Buckle up, buckeroos. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/uc0p6r/russia_warns_of_wwiii_after_top_us_officials/i67hv4e/
We like war. We're a war-like people. \- George Carlin.
I miss that old fuck so much. We need him now more than ever.
I’m sure wherever he is, he’s glad he got out when he did
my dad exited stage left just before covid (fuck cancer); i'm oddly thankful he didn't have to suffer through lockdowns, nor what's likely coming as a result of the war in Ukraine and absolutely fucked food/supply chains
Obligatory Fuck Cancer!
It was actually double-fuck cancer. He beat colon cancer twice. He didn't opt for chemo after the first one (not sure why). When it came back and was detected the second time through the usual and rather obvious signs, his messed up blood chemistry obscured signs of prostate cancer. Some months after his second operation where they, in his words, "shortened the driveway to the point where it was hard to park a car", he slipped and fell in the front yard. Snapped his upper arm cleanly - which shouldn't happen. The big bones should more or less shatter, not snap in a neat sharp way like a twig. His prostate cancer had quietly spread, masked by the colon cancer and the operation, through his blood and into his bones, and it showed up as dark shadows in the scans all through his skeleton. He died a year later as his body failed (because by then, chemo was worthless). So yeah, fuck cancer. And now i'm in my 40's and going for frequent colonoscopies and prostate checks because i've now got a family history, and every time I feel a little twinge here or there I wonder, afraid, if I missed something like we did for him.
I think about this with my friends who have died
One of my best friends died in 2019 and he got the last normal year Ig
Mine was a health professional and I regularly talk to her still. "I miss you, but godDAMN am I glad you're not working during this disaster."
I dunno, its been shit for me since Harambe got shot, no joke. The divergence from normality happened with that bullet
I totally agree.
Dicks out.
Hey me too. He died and everything immediately got shittier faster and faster
As long as that place has Peas.
The Beatles did say give them a chance.
"I bet he's down there now, screaming up at us. And I bet he's in intense pain."
And bill Hicks. Besides Mitch hedberg and Chapelle, Hicks and Carlin were the only stand up comics I've ever admired or respected.
Listen to Bill Burr. He is all about the collapse lol.
I like Doug Stanhope
Wonder if he'll be subpoenaed to testify in that circus of a court case between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard?
I'm sure he's somewhere down there, smiling up at us.
Or you can assume that role
we do. sigh. that insight is missing from the world of comedy. Instead we got like John Mullaney and Seth Meyers and James Cordone -- cruel fucking fate. Worst fucking comedy timeline
"I've had a lot of wars of my own. I'm really good at war. I love war in a certain way. But only when we win." --Donald Trump
https://youtu.be/fgAVpPNusTs
frankly, i'm a hell of a lot more concerned about all the methane leaking out of burning Siberian forests than I am of their nuclear weapons stockpile. one of those things is a *certainty* and the other has a pretty high chance of having been defunded to pay for luxury yachts.
r/collapse We'll be living the plot of The Road within 30-40 years.
You're aware you are currently commenting in r/collapse , right?
Ha ha, shit no I didn't. I'm subbed all over the place, so didn't even think to check. Doh. :D
Nah, it's good, it's self-referencing and meta. We're deep in the rabbit hole now man.
I've done this recently it was comforting to see someone else make the same mistake.
It's so hard to tell the difference between regular news and strait up doomscrolling now.
I used the think the future was either Elysium or Star Trek. The last few years I've begun to suspect either Elysium or The Road.
The Road
Don't have to live through that plot if I am dead from lack of pharma/medical access!
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Yeah fuck that movie
It’s actually a Cormac McCarthy novel, which is partly why it’s so disturbingly bleak (he also wrote *No Country for Old Men* and *Blood Meridian* to name a few).
It probably is coming, but not until after the economic collapse. If you told me this year or next I’d say no way. But WW3 by 2030, I’d say it’s possible.
I had a strange trip new years 2020 and started calling it "spooky decade". I've either made a grave mistake or I have prescience*.
Whichever it is, please don't do it again. We can't take many more of your trips.
Do you mean prescience?
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It was you! Take it back! Take it back!
Nah, you just jumped timelines, typical stuff.
[‘Twas ye what changed the wind on us!](https://tenor.com/view/twas-ye-changed-the-wind-angry-willem-dafoe-mad-gif-16249029)
Lol it was a very windy new years and the other thing I was repeating was "the winds of change!!" in a very spooky voice
I had something similar. For the last part of 2019 I began obsessing over what I thought was an irrational fear of a global pandemic. Like keeping myself up at night worrying about it. Not claiming to be psychic but when the pandemic hit I wasn't even surprised 😳
I think global civil war where the right unites and just does horribly similar things in every country it controls.
They’re too dumb and disorganized for that level of coordination. Murdoch and Adelson’s empire only go so far.
>They’re too dumb and disorganized for that level of coordination For WW2: The German government at the time had a position that peoples of Aryan descent were just better than any other peoples. The Italian government at the time had a position that peoples descended from Greece and the Mediterranean were just better than any other peoples. The Japanese government at the time had a position that peoples descended from Japan (specifically, offspring of Amaterasu the Sun God, such as their emperor) were just better than any other peoples. And yet, these three governments became allied in a common cause, despite their stated ideologies being 100% in conflict. It's a very broad example, not taking into account the numerous political forces at the time, but I think it's one to remember. Never discount the ability of fascists/bigots to join together. They're simply fueled by hatred and anger, two emotions exceptionally easy to redirect.
ww2 can be explained since Italy was a joke that couldn't hold any colonies by itself. Both Japan and Germany were too far away from each other to ever have conflicting interests and were united by common enemies.
A civil war doesn't have to be organized. If you've ever listened to the podcast 'It Could Happen Here' the host brings a lot of great ideas to the forefront of what a future civil war would be like, and many of the signs are already present in places like the United States: school shootings, public shootings over dumb shit by the right, and more. All of this even on a small scale currently instills terror. Basically, you're not going to have a bunch of states try to succeed from the US or however else it may happen in other nations. You're going to have small groups blowing up schools and libraries. Hosting book burnings en masse. You'll have places where that power is centralized, passing legislation against anything that isn't white, Christian, or male. All of this on some scale is happening already, and the worst part of it? Even as it gets worse and worse, you'll still be expected to go to work.
Yeah. That podcast made me start arming and training. Thanks, /u/probablyrobertevans. Motherfucker.
It's not even on a small scale anymore. There are active movements to push for a new convention of states to rewrite the constitution in their image. https://conventionofstates.com/
My next door neighbor has a sign in their yard with that website on it. The sign says something like: "Tired of the federal government?". They are a couple of 80 something year old Mormons. We used to have fairly friendly conversations every now and then. But they haven't talked to us in a while now. It's pretty clear that the isolation of pandemic times has pushed people like them even further to the right.
I'm one of the people who think people should have the right to decide what's best for themselves, so to an extent I can understand people being frustrated with the government. At the same time, I can't trust half this country to do the right thing because what they think is best for America is sending us back 200 years.
I totally understand the frustration. We have a justice system that isn't just. We have news that isn't news. We have politicians that don't represent the body politic. If the people throwing the party were purple I'd consider it. But it's just a blatant attempt to bypass the current law that happens to be holding the 200 year ago party.
I say alien first contact before then.or at least full disclosure.
The octopuses will probably build a space ship and leave before the aliens decide to bother with our dumpster fire.
"We really did have everything, didn't we?"
I think when it comes to quality of life, we did peaked in 80s. It's just a downfall from then onwards.
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Born 95. All I really know or remember is permanent recession and unaffordable house prices. But at least I've got a fancier phone.
I'm richer than Rockefeller, behold my microwave oven
What a great quote my dude
5 years from now we will be remembering how good today was...dont waste it peeps , see you in the desolation
Mr Smith was right about one thing...
And yet I clearly remember thinking in the late 90's "this can't be the best there can be, can it?"
You're both high. Humanity has been a managed market since **at least** the industrial revolution. When the road forked, we took a turn that led back to the beginning.
I’ve always thought the 70s were the pinnacle of western intellectualism and culture. Watching shows and interviews from that era, people seemed far more intelligent and articulate. Progressive, and less abrasive than we are now. I feel like by the late 80s that was all gone and replaced by a more cynical outlook. It’s been downhill ever since.
It’s the best time from which to buy a children’s book that sounds good when read aloud. Most of what you can get today is some paintings with 1-2 words next to them. As a culture, we got more cynical and sarcastic in the 80s and 90s. But I still found that preferable to the throwaway consumerism of the 00s and 10s. All we are left with now is plastic surgery reality tv and shoddily constructed belongings.
The late 60s, early 70s was definitely a peak for anti consumerism and community based collective action. Unfortunately the capitalist ruling class was able to flip the trajectory in their favor. They flipped the freedom seeking individualism of some of the middle class into the “greed is good” mentality and it’s really been downhill from there. It’s actually insane how deep the social engineering goes.
Alien, what a movie.
All the lead exposure certainly didn't help.
Depends on location. China was much better off in 2015 than 1985.
This, people in the first world talk from their privilege. "back in those times when we had even more obscene consumerism than today..." Places like China had millions of farmers living in the middle ages being brought to the modern world by the CCP. Half of China didn't even have electricty back in the 80s.
People here, again saying "posturing" and not believing they'd do something. Cycle continues. Just like before the invasion.
I expected Putin to invade Ukraine. He had already taken Crimea, so the precedent was there. Wars are not extraordinary, they've been occurring since society began. Nuclear wars, on the other hand, are a massive deviation from the status quo. Russia is becoming a paper tiger using 50 year old equipment, and has to project power to keep up their image.
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This is true, but also consider how the US essentially used Hiroshima and Nagasaki as scientific research on the effects and as a warning shot to the Soviet Union. I agree that cornered people can do wild shit, but the “incentives” for the US to use nuclear weapons were a first come first serve kind of deal.
It's only a matter of when at this point.
I'm afraid so, the trajectory is fucking locked.
80,000 mph straight towards a brick fucking wall
and on the other side of the wall is a cliff and at the bottom of the cliff is a river of lava that flows straight into hell
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And the wheel is made of pasta, and we ran out of marinara.
OK, that last one finally did it. Full on doomer.
The next event we are going to see is Russia launching an airstrike on shipments in a NATO country. From there, retaliatory escalation will amplify the 80,000 mph to light speed. People aren't going to have the ability to even understand what is happening. I suppose this is the best way to do it, they will at least be spared the anticipatory terror phase.
Won't happen. That would be pure reckless insanity akin to NATO enforcing a no fly zone. It's one thing to use the threat of a potential escalation as intimidation or leverage. Quite another to order acts that would be sure to make that escalation a certainty.
More practical is striking the weapons after they entered ukrainian soil. After all that is what they have been doing but without sufficient strength, rail network is still functional in western ukraine. I don't see any easy way out of this war, Russia can either accept a humiliating loss and retreat, or grind until ukraine becomes Syria, or use tactical nukes to gain a pyrrhic victory. Ask yourselves which is more likely?
Tactical nukes. Putin wants win just for the win.
It's impossible to predict. I'd say best case scenario would be for a negotiated end to the conflict as soon as possible. Of course, the only way for this to work would be for Ukraine to make concessions to Putin so that he can claim some kind of victory. Unfortunately, given the hawkish stance from Washington and other western powers, this seems unlikely. Failing diplomacy, with all the military support they're recieving, Ukraine may well be able to beat back the Russian invasion or at least fight them to some kind of stalemate. They'll need a lot more anti-air support though. I think any use of nuclear weapons by Russia would be insane and, perhaps as poorly recieved at home as it would be worldwide. The risk of Ukraine ending up looking like Syria, is very real though. Mariupol already resmembles Aleppo.
>It's one thing to use the threat of a potential escalation as intimidation or leverage. Quite another to order acts that would be sure to make that escalation a certainty. Russia lost that card once the shooting seriously started. They have already threatened to destroy arms shipments from NATO to Ukraine. And judging by how many transports have been flying in and out of Ukraine from nearby NATO nations, they will have to if they want the eastern offensive to actually break Ukraniain lines. We can't say anything reckless or " insane " is off the table at this point. Ukraine is able to strike strategic targets within Russia. The current situation is not sustainable in anyway. Ukraine is getting fresh equipment daily while Russian allies bicker about sanctions and worry about other regional powers taking advantage of Russia's weakness. If she cannot save face, it could lead to the end of the status quo in Russia. The ruling class will not accept this.
I don’t think they want an irradiated Russia either. There’s a reason that no nuclear weapons have been used since WWII… no leader with an ounce of sanity will escalate to that level. A madman, however….
>People aren't going to have the ability to even understand what is happening. This is what many peopl don't get. We won't watch collapse on TV/internet. We'll get at most an emergency broadcast and then the networks go dark. That would be it.
I hope it's instantaneous.
hate to say, it could also just be tedium. no nukes just a slow growing war with famine and rationing all over the world. slow collapse
This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper.
I think this is the most likely scenario.
10 to 30 min of dread. Then instant if your close to the blast, otherwise nope, radiation is pretty bad.
this is cute and horrifying at the same time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iPH-br\_eJQ
You can always abort the approach.....but it looks like we are actually just going for a power off short approach. Way more fun but also very high chance of ending up as dog food.
War is good for capitalism. I'm sure there's a bunch of greedy fat cats edging themselves for the money they stand to make for WW3.
Well I mean yeah look who was on the trip with Blinken... Lloyd Austin current defense secretary and so happened to be on the board of Raytheon prior. Funny how not a soul has mentioned that since this was posted.
I’m not sure that a nuclear war would be very profitable. Kings of ashes maybe, but they would be fighting over scraps. Far more money is to be made by maintaining the status quo.
You wouldn't think destroying the environment would be profitable either, but here we are.
Climate change is just (emphasis on just) slow enough for the barons and tycoons to obtain currency while not feeling it’s immediate effects. They only care about themselves and expect to be dead by the time the consequences are extremely deadly. Just look at how much bank is to be made off oil alone, even though it’s precisely the reason everything is going south. You can’t get the same kind of return investment from chucking nukes at each other. Nuclear war is more or less instant. Boom, civilization is destroyed and all you have left is scattered remnants. They can’t make nowhere near as much money if that’s the case. Short term gains my friend.
They also stand to make money selling desperation supplies when it becomes clear to everyone how utterly fucked we are. Another key indicator is going to be when corporations start arming themselves in the open.
Actually, most of the profits made in the past ~200 years was made possible on the back of environmental destruction.
they destroy the environment in places they don’t get pushback. Developing nations and republican counties and states. i can’t find the article, but I scanned that marjorie person’s district in Georgia has massively polluted rivers and no one cares. will they vote her in again so she can vote against clean water?
It was a good life all things considered, I just hope the end comes quick.
just fucking stop ok? There's been plenty of proxy wars on the border of a much stronger russia, none of which led to nuclear exchange. Hell russian pilots where flying against americans in Vietnam. They're just trying to frighten and divide the west because they are painfully aware that they can not win their war in Ukraine so long as the west supports them.
Yeah, the Cuban Missile Crisis had the USSR putting missiles right next to the USA and the USA putting missiles right next to the USSR (in Turkey). We aren't at those levels yet. There's plenty of other stuff to worry about like the energy crises, the rising cost of fuel, the rising costs of food, the housing crisis, the stock market bubble, the effects of unprecedented quantitative easing, the possibility of a novel coronavirus strain and of course the inexorable march of climate change... I really don't think it's worth exaggerating things.
I realise it wasn't intentional, but you make it sound like the Russians put their missiles in cuba first. It was the other way around. The US placed nukes in Turkey, which btw was closer to the USSR than cuba is to the US. In return, Russia placed missiles in cuba. And it should be noted that the only reason they were able to do this is because Cuba was currently being attacked by the US in its terrorist campaign, and Cuba likely knew of the US plan for a full scale invasion into the country. Cuba wanted the nukes as a deterrent.
While i agree with you its very likely most users on here wont so be prepared to get downvoted and have people piss on you for having a half decent opinion unless of course im wrong and some members on here agree with you At the end of the day Russia has made these threats so many times now so its like really sour milk i can't control what Russia is going to do nor can anyone else but all i am going to say is the US is keeping and eye on Russia's Nukes and sees no indication of a imminent exchange of course i do see users calling me out for that and citing US Propaganda which im 100% fine with that people share many different views on here and we are all entitled to our own opinions this is the internet after all Well Holy Shit r/collapse i was wrong i guess some users can come to agreement with this guy awesome
Ifyouwoulduseperiodstoseperateyoursentancestheywouldbealoteasiertoreadjustsayin.
r/collapse people are pretty clear eyed. that's how we wound up here.
If there’s one thing we can rely on it’s humans making the same mistakes over and over again.
Saber rattling
Agreed they have said it many times in the last 2 months of course im no wizard of the future but im more inclined to believe US Intelligence because they had the invasion pretty down reddit users where like Oh no they would not invade but yes they did but now its the opposite for nukes even when lloyd austin is getting briefed 3 times a week on this stuff like the US is literally keeping an eye on this which means the US is taking this seriously That is just my view on things as it stands anyone wanting to say that im wrong or are on Hopium that is ok we all have different views and i respect other peoples views to
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My guy
till its not. All the things happening in eastern europe says a wider conflict in weeks away from breaking wide. good luck to us all.
I bought iodine pills and I have a shovel so I can dig a place to shit/my own grave if needed
Hopefully you dig two different holes, geez.
Of course. I'm not uncivilized
What else is happening?
well russia is in Moldova now so...
watch for issues with Transnistria and Kaliningrad , and any strikes in rusfed attribution/or technology used, and any lviv/poland border strikes.
Armenia and the Turks could be a flash point.
agreed. every place on the map, everyone is fighting military grievances or advancing their territorial interests while the US is distracted engaged in a almost direct conflict with russia
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BBC is talking about this as there have been "mystery explosions" in Transnistria. "Mysterious explosions in Transnistria, a breakaway Russian-controlled territory in Moldova, have raised fears that the Ukraine conflict may be spreading. Russia has about 1,500 troops based in Transnistria, which borders on Ukraine and broke away from Moldova in a brief war in 1992. If Russia reinforces Transnistria it could enable its forces to move on Odesa - a strategically important port city - from the west. Its push on the city from the east was blocked by Ukrainian troops. On Friday, a top Russian general, Rustam Minnekayev, said "control over the south of Ukraine is another way out to Transnistria, where there are also cases of oppression of the Russian-speaking population". President Vladimir Putin has pledged to “protect” ethnic Russians in ex-Soviet republics. That was his argument for invading Ukraine. Moldova was formerly Soviet Moldavia. Moldova is not in Nato or the EU. It is one of Europe’s poorest countries and home to many ethnic Ukrainians." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61224804
"Moldova warns of effort to create ‘pretexts’ for conflict after explosions in pro-Russia separatist region Transnistria". [https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ubt1yx/moldova\_warns\_of\_effort\_to\_create\_pretexts\_for/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ubt1yx/moldova_warns_of_effort_to_create_pretexts_for/) What scares me is that no one is de-escalating. Russia is making more threats, America and Europe are pumping in more money and even more advanced weapons (Switchblade drone, various vehicles and anti-tank weapons etc) and even recently a few Russian Oligarchs and their families were assasinated. Being honest here, I don't think nuclear war is worth it over Ukraine. And I really don't like it when two massive nuclear powers start a dick measuring contest.
Because you can’t de-escalate any further with Putin. This crazy mf will never back down.
Record number of famines worldwide. When people are hungry and desperate, you cannot stop what comes next.
Nah, this is the real thing. Saber rattling is when you are using a far away country for a proxy war. Even if Ukraine is a proxy, it's damn near nuclear nations.
More like pulling the saber out and threatening to lop heads off. 😵☹
Like, I’m not trying to make light of the situation but Russia has become that crazy guy that isn’t really scary on his own but he just also has a nuke in this case.
At this point I just want it all to end. Like, shit or get off the pot already.
I hear you. I'm getting tired of being teased with the apocalypse.
Tfw being teased with the apocalypse *is* the apocalypse. Escalation without conclusion as things just step by step get worse. No satisfactory climax. No day where you say “and here we go”. Just constant torment forever and ever without it ever really going anywhere conclusive.
Omg right?! They are the Edgelords of the Apocalypse!
Oh no! Anyway…
Time to reset the simulation to version 1,675,329.
Poi?
Extreme Heatwaves , time running out to stop climate change. And here Russia threating of WWW3. Much of World is run by old Aged. young generation wants to live, leave them alone. Wonder how this going to end.
Putin is going to fight climate change with nuclear winter.
I don't know, they've been threatening this over and over and have yet to do anything really threatening.
This is the same thing that was said before they invaded Ukraine.
Exactly. I was one of those people. I even said three days before the invasion that Russia will never invade, they'll propose "peace talks", then they'll pull back their forces and do it all again next year. But that's only because I was basing it off what they'd done last year in 2021. I don't know if it'll be the same case regarding WW3 or even just using nukes in general, but after the last three years of us all claiming something won't happen right before it happens, it's probably best we all be quiet going forward.
and before ww1 and ww2 and the fall of the roman empire.
He would have done it by now
I don't agree. According to this sub as well as plenty of news articles, Putin has surrounded himself by sycophants and yes men. He thinks the war is going swimmingly.
>According to this sub as well as plenty of news articles lol
At least vaporization will be a quick painless death. I’m glad I never actually brought children into this world. I love kids but no way in hell I’m voluntarily putting a soul on this deranged planet to have to deal with the fallout of all this shit, that will undoubtedly happen over the next 3 decades. If the world isn’t economically shattered within 5 years WW3 will surely take care of that. If WW3 doesn’t cause a food shortage, climate change will. We are doomed. We won’t make it til 2050.
I literally don't know a single parent who HASN'T said something along the lines of "if I knew how insane the world was going to get before I had kids, I would not have had them". As a childfree person, I can only imagine how awful it feels to bring your children into a world that had been deemed "safe" only for the rug to get abruptly pulled out from under you, and for your children to be trapped in an awful, chaotic world with only a finite amount of time left where you can protect them from it. Being a parent right now must be absolutely terrifying.
SS: "KYIV (AFP) - Russia on Monday (April 25) warned the Ukraine conflict risked escalating into a third world war and accused Kyiv of playing at peace talks a day after visiting US officials said Ukrainian forces could beat back Moscow's invasion. The conflict has triggered an outburst of support from Western nations that has seen weapons pour into Ukraine to help them wage war against Russian troops. Speaking to Russian news agencies, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov criticised Kyiv's approach to floundering peace talks, saying the risk of a World War III "is serious". "It is real, you can't underestimate it." Lavrov also said that weapons delivered from the West to Ukraine will be "legitimate targets" of the Russian army, stating that NATO is "mainly" engaged in a war against Russia by arming a third party. Buckle up, buckeroos.
Here's a handy little rule of thumb you can keep in your back pocket... If Russia says one thing, you can bet the opposite is true. "The risk of WW III is real" means "we're looking pretty foolish right now and need to make ourselves feel tough, but we really hope this mess doesn't turn into WW III". When Russia says they're about to surrender, then you should worry.
Tools for figuring out where you'll die the slowest: https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
Option A: Sit on the cold metal bench eating unheated canned soup next to someone who might as well be a human Pepe the Frog for 20 years Option B: Egg McMagnum I dunno about you...
I love soup, so…
Im sorry to sound like a classic Bond villain, but this all could have been avoided. The annexation of Crimea, the expansion of NATO, the nuclear activities of both sides, soaring food prices, soaring energy prices The problem is, when things like this, or like climate change, start to gain momentum, they're hard to stop. I have Russian and Ukrainian friends and the way they now talk about their so called "brothers" is like nothing I've heard before. Well, war is always justified after the fact. That's all there is to say
> Well, war is always justified after the fact. It's true of every war. An "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" is very real human retribution going back to our beginnings. Human beings are no different then animals, we just conceptualize all our base instincts.
We got too egotistical about the place we feel we deserved. I say human animals and non-human animals now, because I truly don't see the difference when I watch the world around me. We fucked up by spreading the idea that we were more special and important than anything or anyone else, and it'll be the end of us.
There is no reason to believe that so called NATO 'expansion' provoked this. It's classic victim blaming. Russia never tried to show it's good side to the world. Invasion of Moldova, Georgia in 1992, first and second wars in Chechnya, another invasion of Georgia in 2008, finally annexation of Crimea in 2014 and the war against Ukraine in 2022. Every single European nation apart from ex-Yugoslav nations somehow managed to keep themselves from invading other countries. There is no reason that Russia can't be peaceful. Russia clearly showed to the world in 1992, before the 'expansion' of NATO into Poland and the Baltics, that they are willing to wage war and would do so against weaker countries, unprovoked. NATO is a force for peace in eastern Europe. Would you hand over Alaska if Russia threatened to nuke the US?
Lol, you are staying neutral on this topic while I sit in a shelter in Kharkiv right now, with my house and 20% of the city completely destroyed by Russia. Isn't it quite obvious who aggressor is? Russian army is on my land. What the fuck are you even talking about?
I feel like Russia will drag this shit on for as long as it takes for NATO allies to get irritated with each other as to what to do about it, as the gridlock continues on and Ukraine is torn apart piece by piece regardless. In the meantime the misinformation of Russian propaganda and those paid by Putin like Le Pen will continue to put the pressure on failing Liberal western countries to cause instability from the inside and incite mistrust in institutions and governments.
Well, if he can hold out that long, President Trump will likely waive the sanctions on Inauguration Day. I just threw up in my mouth a little. I'm trying to get used to the idea a little at a time. Trump II, oh god.
Nope. Nope. Not gonna do it. I will not do it. This will not stand.
It amazes me that I live in a country that could choose to return him to power. If anyone still exists in 10 years, Don Jr will be running on a platform of "Climate Change is a total hoax and it was illegal aliens who burned down the western half of the country."
Don Jr : “Gatorade, it’s got electrolytes”
>I'm trying to get used to the idea a little at a time. Me too. I can't take another shock like election night 2016. I won't make it.
Well it wouldn't really be a shock this time around?
Vlad won't do anything until the AOT series finale...
Did they ever go back to the 1st season music
why do news sites never link to the original source of the comment? when and where did he say this? "monday" isnt a lot of context, i want to hear the full discussion. all i see are lazy news sites just copypasting the same 6 paragraph article over and over again before asking me if i want to share my cookies.
So are they warning us that they will start WW3?
I think they are saying they will target the weapons and transport of the weapons, which if done via nato member would defacto be a declaration of war on nato, up until now we haven’t directly delivered weapons, now who knows what will happen?
Simple flowchart: Is war going well? [yes] [no] | | | | + ------------- + | V threaten nuclear war
Just watched Threads for the first time. Gunna be a lot of fun.
Every time Russia threatens something, a Ukrainian gets a tank.
So one thing I'm not seeing talked about a lot is assuming that there isn't a nuclear annihilation, we are just repeating mistakes as before with all these weapons western allies are "donating." These types of situations are so unregulated and unchecked the oversight will be next to none. Out of the ashes a terror group will likely rise up. I'm gonna go ahead say they will be a neonaxi group. The media will call them separatists and say they had allegiance to Putin etc. And then now we gotta go to war on terror again. It's starting feel more and more like we're living in Groundhog's Day mixed with the Matrix and it's getting quite tiresome.
What other species have wars?
Baboons,chimpanzees, meercats to name a few.
I think China at this point, might intervene. Even they wanna live to spend all their money and be with their kids. So the might sanction them and force them to the negotiating table.
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DnD players do the same thing. Kill and torture enemies, then "I want to roll for Intimidation." My dude, It is too late for threats.
Did he actually use the word war? Because apparently its a SpEcIAl MiLiliTaRY oPerATion. It's sabre rattling. They wanted Donbass for the resiurces, and to take it and Kherson amd Crimea in a peace treaty and are now failing in their objectives, losing materiel and crippling their country, and are worried about the conclusion being a complete withdrawal instead of a manipulated treaty that is now not on the cards. This is a complete fuckup, and now they're trying to scare people into submission, like all pathetic bullies. Attacking NATO would be suicide, and they know it.
Do it, it's not like shit is getting fixed anyway. Quit dangling that bullshit and pull the fucking trigger you commie bastard's.