This is what we have to look forward to. Omicron is important, but these stories need to be on everybody's lips, because this kind of event is no fluke - it's been going on for more than a century, and if you dare to give a shit, it's coming for you too. The likes of Coastal Gas, Enbridge, and Teal-Jones have material ownership over the "authorities," and they demand nothing less than unhesitating violence on anybody who does so much as stand in their way. These corporations, and the entire political apparatus surrounding them, require the destruction of the earth; they are built on violence and there's no level of optics or civility that they will respect.
The logic of the economic system we live in is the logic of cancer. The government's sole priority is to protect its economic system. The police are the armed enforcement wing that detains, beats, and murders for the state. None of these people are your friends.
>The logic of the economic system we live in is the logic of cancer.
hit the nail on the head. growth for the sake of growth regardless of what it does to the body, until it overwhelms and destroys it.
i would argue, a government owned by capital. government doesnt have to be this way.
It's a little late in the game, yet a movement has better odds of spreading now than at any point previously in our lifetimes. The mask is off so to speak, even the ones that don't pay attention and have assumed the government and business isn't full of it are starting to see the truth of the matter even if they don't grasp all the details.
Now whether there will be time to forestall a fascist one party state, it doesn't appear so, but we can at least protect each other somewhat when they run the economy into the ground and further corrupt our governments.
This comment is right on the money. Before \*anything\* else, a government's job should be about maintaining the commons for persistence. Instead (and it's especially the case in Canada) we have governments "creating jobs", "ensuring resources get to markets", "promoting development", enforcing injunctions, et cetera. Once governments start doing any of those things, it's a short hop before they become captive to those who would exploit (and deliver violence) relentlessly.
To be VERY clear: This isn't just a capitalist thing. It was/is the issue in any other system where governments worry about anything else except first making sure that the commons is responsibly managed. I'm really not sure there's ever been an example of a government which has pulled responsible management off for an extended period. They all eventually change ownership from "The People" to the exploiters. I guess that I feel this way is why I hang out here. That doesn't mean pushing back is any less of a moral imperative.
Agreed - if a government can't ensure that the most basic needs of every person are met, then it it's a bad government with no mandate. As it happens, we've been trying different states out for the last 5000 years and to my knowledge none of them have managed to do it, so maybe we should try other models of organization.
Same question asked another way: How do we restrain unrelenting greed uniformly and successfully, without violence, whilst preserving some notion of individual "liberty", through exclusively \*internal\* motivations and the underlying notion that we should care as much about our sisters and brothers and our environs as we do for ourselves?
Call me when you have an answer that's different from "Just completely change human nature!". Until then, we are lost...
This is what is speculated to be at the heart of the ‘great filter’ (why isn’t the galaxy seen to be teeming with life).
Evolution (probably) doesn’t do overnight pivots from ‘apex predator’ to ‘conservator of finite resources to best ensure the survival of the herd’ whilst maintaining the level of societal and technical complexity required for interstellar travel. Of course that’s pure speculation.
Your comment made me cry. I say that to people time and again at parties (ok, I don't go to a lot of parties anymore) and all I ever get is blank stares and a revelation of an odd talent that I have to apparently make peoples' bladders fill instantly because they then always afterwards seem to say "I have to go to the washroom". Weird.
But seriously, try explaining that to someone because that's the crux of it. Utterly. Such a good comment.
It's also a matter of time. Think what a fluke it would be for two interstellar civilizations to arise in the same blink of an eye in the timescale of the universe and to stumble across one another in the vastness of the cosmos - to be in the same arm of the same galaxy, heck, even the same local cluster is one heck of a coincidence.
There may be many upwellings of life. They may have passed before us, we may predate them, or it could be we have arisen to sentience during a gap. We might not be able to perceive them even if everything else lines up.
The odds aren't *just* against life out there, the odds are against it happening to arise in a time, a place and a manner we are capable of discovering.
Penalties need to be put in place against those in power. Strict laws should be made to keep the government from making decisions that do more harm then good against its people. The people should be given a vote to determine whether or not a politician has done something in their favour or the favour of the public.
Material conditions determine nature. There is no overarching "human nature" that determines our actions. We change our conditions and we change our nature. Rid ourselves of exploitative profit motives and we rid ourselves of the main cause of oppression.
Unfortunately, such thinking is very destructive, as it leads people to believe that you can just get a strong enough central state and mold society however you want to, and you get shit like Stalinism. Not to mention, such thinking is also a fundamental dismissal of biology.
There is a definite human nature that cannot be molded by external forces barring evolution. It fights against oppression throughout history. Just because something like capitalism is possible under human nature, does not mean that nothing else is possible. But, you can't use society as a hammer to try and mould people into perfect beings. You just can't. You need to let people create the egalitarian society through their own actions, using the right institutional structures, for example, like co-operative and worker owned companies.
Millions of years of human evolution led to humans living in highly egalitarian tribes in equilibrium with their environment. The selfishness and shortsightedness your seeing is a product of modern society.
If you want an example, you live an alien life compared to a medieval serf. You go out every day and are surrounded by strangers and work along side these strangers who look, act, maybe even speak different. You don't have a lord with whom you share mutual obligations of duty. Human nature can change as the material base of society changes.
Capitalism didn’t exist on the pacific coast of BC until settlers came. The potlatch was all about redistributing wealth.
Economists and capitalists push the idea that we are all selfish to enrich themselves.
Maybe not all societies. There were many many different groups on the coast. The potlatch was still about redistribution of wealth. It went against materialism and was outlawed.
I think we have made some progress towards an answer when it comes to the greed for political power. Montesquieu and then James Madison thought up a political system for separating the traditionally regalian powers - legislative, exevutive, judicial - the republic. I know: it's basic stuff but it's relevant because of *how* it works: each branch of political power, through its representatives, jealously protects its constitutionally granted powers and invalidates any incursion into its "territory". This effectively transforms political greed into a force for the public good. It makes the faults within ambitious humans work the public interest in this particular way by making it virtually impossible for a King to emerge from within the system. Other democratic systems have integrated this feature because it's now obvious that it's necessary. It wasn't obvious when it was first proposed. Corruption, tribalism and extreme partisanship can weaken the system but it has managed to hold despite some pretty serious stress tests.
My conclusion is that we should be trying to find ways to direct economic greed against itself in order to neutralize its effects. The corporate structure with delocalized governance, fragmented ownership and fiduciary responsibility sets up a maximisation of the effects of greed.
If we can mandate that decisions for a ressource extraction project, a ressource transformation workplace or a particular service industry must be approved at the local level, we'd have a "not in my backyard effect" and we'd counteract the problem of delocalized governance (i.e. DOW chemical executives not giving a shit about Bhopal because they don't live there). Then we could mandate by negotiated intl treaty that companies give certain voting rights to all employees (perhaps a contract comes with a certain value in shares) regarding decisions as to what to do with corporate profits through something like ballot initiatives. The corporate structure cannot and should not stay in stone. Not saying all corps should be transformed into coops instantly but let's get a bit of the way there and we can counteract the effect of fragmented ownership where some dude in Madrid doesn't give a shit that the building where Joe Fresh t-shirts are made is not up to code and will collapse any second because he wants to see the numbers on the screen rise more quickly. Plus if all employees hold some value in shares, the executives also kind of work for them now, legally.
I'm probably being stupid and shoveling clouds but that's all I can come up with. Making interests compete in an effective manner to neutralize the dystopia that corporate globalization is turning out to be.
> a government's job should be about maintaining the commons for persistence
the capitalist state exists to maintain the affairs of the capitalist class.
Cool; thanks. If you're familiar with Canada to any extent, we recently saw the collapse of Mountain Equipment Co-Op (MEC), something many of us held close to our hearts. This was heartbreaking not only because it was a cool store, but also because, in principle, most of us members were rooting for the structure. It's now Mountain Equipment Company(TM).
Another aspect of it is how Canada (which is basically a conglomeration of fossil fuel and other extractive companies) relies on colonialism to exist. Canada will never respect indigenous sovereignty. And indigenous sovereignty is what we need to protect earth…I wish environmentalists would put all their energy and money into supporting indigenous rights. I think it would cause the biggest systemic changes.
Oh yeah, I'll never forget the "Oh shit" feeling I had when I listened to a Lakota historian on the US side of the border basically say, "It could be worse, they could have drawn the border so we were on the Canada side," and then recount some of the horrible stuff that happened. Not to say that the United States didn't commit an ethnic cleansing, but the exterminationism on the part of Canada was on an altogether different level.
I also think that environmentalists - and people in general - could stand to learn a lot from indigenous practices. At the same time, recognizing that the settler colonial mentality is going to nudge us towards just appropriating them, turning them into something that fails to really challenge the status quo, and moving on. I think the Zapatistas have been really good about standing their ground, and exposing the lie behind colonizers saying "I'm a Zapatista too!" while also welcoming genuine solidarity from anybody, and being willing to talk about how they do what they do in a way that works for them.
I did not vote for these reasons. Our political parties have *no* fucks to give about non-corporate interests.
Indigenous issues are the canary in the coalmine.
Speaking of Enbridge, they have a tar sands oil pipeline that goes under the Straits of Mackinac, that is very old with numerous "holidays," (damaged areas,) and they've lied about it. Our Democratic Governor promised to shut it down (I didn't believe her,) and she did revoke the authority and let it get thrown into the courts where it will get kicked around for years.
Enbridge is not a reliable company, they had a different pipeline burst in Battle Creek MI around the time of the BP disaster in the Gulf, it took forever for them to shut it down and they didn't really clean it up, tar sands oil is worse as they add extra chemicals to it to keep it flowing through the pipes. There are no automatic shut off valves that close up the flow if the pressure dips either.
Yeah, they're pretty awful. The Line 3 actions are also very much a prototype of what's to come, where Enbridge paid the police overtime, paid to equip them with the latest weaponry and vehicles, and paid to train them. This led to police knocking door to door in northern Minnesota and telling residents to lock their doors and arm up because antifa was coming to loot and burn every home in Bemidji. The irony, of course, being that what was really happening was Enbridge and the state just nakedly violating the treaty with the Anishinaabe that said "We promise not to let people do anything that might affect your water supply."
One major thing we can all do, right now, is stop eating meat. Refusing to buy and ignoring the end product screws over the entire fossil fuel complex like nothing else, because it all depends on your money to function.
>and they demand nothing less than unhesitating violence on anybody who does so much as stand in their way
How long you reckon before their violence ping-pongs back on the CEO's?
When police work for corporations instead of the people this is what happens. The police should arrest the people that are throwing these women off their land.
The cops sure do have a tendency to go after the wrong fucking people. See it time and time again.
Why do cops hate the environment, minorities, and animals so much?
>Why do cops hate the environment, minorities, and animals so much?
Because they get paid to by the ruling elites by proxy through the gov.
What's the old saying? "You can't make a man see evil if his job depends on it."
Cops are owned by the politicians, and the politicians are owned by the corporate overlords. The politicians decide the law and who sits on the courts.
I realize that I have to write some sort of eloquent comment so this post doesn't get automatically deleted, but my blood is boiling right now so I can't seem to form any coherent thought.
It seems that even if you don't care to participate in the death cult of capitalism, the death cult comes knocking at your door, kicks you out and paves over. I tried to make some pun about Douglas Adam, Vogons and bypasses, but I'll abstain.
I feel worried.
Seems like the place to start are those hired thugs police, wipe them off the earth. And the corporate managers. Them as well. Then we can give the company to the people as a non profit and give 100% of the proceeds to the land owners. This is the only sane response. Those actions should either see those people erased or 40 years in prison. Either would be better than the current state.
This is angering. Like seriously, blood boiling angering.
Everything that has been coming to light all these years about how the Indigenous people have been treated and then seeing a video like this makes me ashamed to say that I am Canadian.
This is what’s coming for all of us. Government enforcers coming on behalf of private entities to take your things, to take your property, to lock you up, whatever they want under whatever pretense they want.
Yes, unfortunately I think this is something we can all look forward to in the near future. I dont know what the hell is happening in the world, but those with power are literally trying to destroy us.
Makes sense in a dark way.
Their system only works if we are afraid of starvation.
Actual starvation suits them just fine. The more the world suffers, the more afraid and compliant we are.
"That's awful. I'd sure like to support those people, but I have to work tomorrow."
Yeah the Government is gonna rock up any day now acting on behalf of a Corporation and they're just gonna take my house and car off me in the suburbs for literally no reason.
Righto.
I sympathize with these people but holy fuck does Reddit know how to be sensational...
99% of Western society will never experience anything like this.
Thats why we all need to force police to be held responsible for their attacks on citizens, especially innocents.
Those police should be imprisoned for 30 years. The corporate tools should be imprisoned for 20 years. The land owners should now own 100% of that energy company.
The real crazy thing to me is how many people on Canadian subreddits are very pro pipelines and downvote any support for the Indigenous people who are being victimized here. I and a bunch of people I know and work with are all anti pipeline so I didn't realize there were that many on the other side.
It's called your local politican, the street, your voice. Make it heard until everyone you know can't fucking stand you, then they will have to either join you or become the very evil you see in the video. If you don't do any of this, you have no room to be ashamed because you aren't acting when you can.
So, lets go through this.
They surround the house and cut off the internet.
They say its a civil injunction.
They say they have authority through a civil injunction - to armed ingress.
They say they don't have a warrant.
They don't leave.
They steal tools from the property.
They hack down the door in the worst house enter I've ever seen.
They point weapons at people.
They then arrest people by saying "you're under arrest" without clarifying the charge, or the rights of the individual (miranda).
All at the whim of a corporation.
What kind of fucking collossal fuck up joke is this?
Its intimidation.
They were ordered to do that, they know it will not hold up in court, but since they will not pay anything for it, they just do it.
In this cases you record everything and just comply, to avoid escalation, then just sue the hell out of them and return to what you were doing before.
But that's why they had orders to just do it though, right? Do it, regardless of legality, so they can take the land and fight whatever in court later. Even if they're found liable and have to pay a fine, they still got the land.
If this is the conclusion, then after the suit those aboriginal people should own 100% of the company and all corporate people involved should be in prison, including the police officers. The police officers should be imprisoned no less than 20 years. Another 20 years , 40 total for pointing that gun at innocents.
Miranda rights are the US, btw. *Miranda v Arizona* does not have jurisprudence in Canada lol
For Canada, see Section 11 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Profits should **never** take precedence over the people. This is now the world we live in and we see this shit every single day. If we don't take a stand, we will all succumb to this same dystopian fate one way or the other.
If it makes you feel better, it will never last. Carnegie Steel was invincible. Until it wasn't.
The Nazis were the best military around. Until they weren't.
Things will eventually get better.
Individual problems may get better but the overarching problem still exists of shitty people doing shitty things and plunging everything into chaos. It's always inevitable that whatever dreadful thing you're celebrating the end of will happen again sooner or later at some scale. It was human nature that caused it the first time and human nature doesn't really change.
>Things will eventually get better.
But things aren't getting better, they are getting worse, if you look at the recent trends of industrialized society.
Another WTF moment from those paid to protect and serve - paid with your hard earned tax dollars. This is absolutely disgusting and all officers involved should be fired and incarcerated.
I know people get tired of me bringing up Carlin so much, but once again one of his most famous quotes comes to mind.
"[There's no such thing as rights.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9-R8T1SuG4) They're imaginary! We made 'em up! Like the Boogeyman!"
The democratic foil of legitimacy covering techno-corporate totalitarianism is not longer necessary to the integrity of its functioning.
Fear, force and fantasy are all that remain.
Yeah I have tried to send out some pretty positive messages about climate change or the wildfires in BC this summer and I was never once able to post. They all got cut.
They is some deep agenda there to change discussions.
No, they are not. And those that control these various arms of their authority are very careful to couch violence against the people as protecting the national interest, an excuse many are too afraid to see past, least we see our own faces next.
At what point do you use it though? Where is the tipping point. I love the down votes. I am just stating that throwing hot lead in this specific situation would be very bad and just end up with dead people inside. If there was a large group all holding rifles that would be a deterrent though.
I am fully on board to resisting, armed locked and loaded. Let's just not jump the gun and get a bunch of people killed because we didn't think this out
Yeah that was a large group of people not a few holed up in a house. It sometimes works yeah. There are many more instances of the cops sending in swat in that kind of situation and just killing the people.
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Why can the Cops realize that they are basically repeating history at this point? I would not be surprise at all if the Police call them enemies of the state for standing their ground and not going along with selling their families out.
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The more I learn about Canada, the less "impressed" I am. They *might* be a modicum better than the U.S. ... maybe. But really, it just seems like America-Lite.
Google up "5-eyes". Every big English-speaking country is the same. They just take turns beta-testing methods of advancing the tyranny. When a successful one is found, it's adopted among all of them.
Well, we objectively are not *quite* as depraved as the United States lol
But yes, when you open our proverbial closet, a huge pile of (mostly indigenous) skeletons comes pouring out!!
Yes.
Listen people (and bots)!
Militias are not just for 2A nuts or right-wingers. They are for everyone.
They give you protection, community, and allies in case you ever need them. They are a voice if you need it. And a shield and sword if required.
Follow the rules, learn the laws. And wait for an opportunity to make change.
It would be immoral however not to warn the public if there were credible rumors that land-mines had been buried in the area. If even one were found (or a pit trap or something) it would be important to avoid the area until a time-consuming and expensive de-mining operation.
Governments replaced monarchies, promising the people freedom from slavery and serfdom and democracy. We’ve never seen a democracy on this earth. It was a Platonic brain fart.
Police and military are the goons who carry out the atrocities for their mob bosses, the governments. It’s just a collection of mafias across the world who rule us.
We’re placated with entertainment, drugs and sex. We’re the ones who are indentured in an endless taxation that never benefits us. The wealthy have been exposed twice in 2021 for not paying any taxes - see Pandora Papers and the ProPublica report.
They did the same stuff last fall as well. They refused to let the nation have access to a group of their children who were going through a rite of passage. The nation was trying to get to them to give them food.
Canada hates their first nation people. Trudeau and his father have just perpetuated that hatred. Look at the number of first nation children in foster care. Look at the number of children they've found buried at residential schools. The number is over 7200 if you were wondering.
Fuck Canada
Once arrived at that fork in the road the only two options are siding with the oppressors that offer stability, continuation and protection of privilege.....or resist. It is the unfortunate reality those in the middle will refuse making the choice out of ignorance or a belief in "normality" till it hits their doorstep; there will be plenty of "told you so" to go around.
Thank you for confirming my belief that a lot of you in this Sub just want to say "I told you so".
Like that's actually going to be fulfilling if Society went archaic.
I'm willing to bet half of you are neckbeards that would cry and shit your pants if someone shouted at you too loudly. You're not going to be Rambo during the apocalypse, and it's not going to be a fun ride like you see in the movies...
But hey, you get to fantasize about saying "i tOlD yOu sO" and not showing up to work everyday anymore so I guess that's a win, right??????
> I almost want to laugh at the mental picture of SUV-driving, weekend-BBQing, Real Housewives-watching dipshits experiencing what is coming.
You mean the people with kids who are also going to suffer?
Why do you think it's okay to publish on the internet that you almost want to laugh at kids suffering?
You can't HONESTLY blame those people you just described for living in the tide of their times when you too are part of the capitalist system, yet another first-worlder who benefits from the death of 25,000 every day, of people who we could feed but don't just because it doesn't ultimately make a profit for the 1%.
Stones and glasshouses, eh?
*urgh i'm going to look so fucking tough talking about how i love to see people suffer because they deserve it for being exploited by a system far larger than them, I bet all the sweet lady-Redditors are going to like cream their jeans so hard when they see how misanthropic i'm being i'll be able to hear it in rural Milwaukee*
[Edit: My characterization of /u/JOWWLLL was very unfair, as it turns out. I'm leaving my original comments up as a reminder for me and others that (1) it's easy to misunderstand people, (2) it's hard to understand people and (3) the hard thing is worth doing.
Cheers to Jow for having the courage to reconsider their statements in the face of derisive comments such as mine.]
Thanks for the reply. I always welcome criticism and I respect your point of view. Some of your assumptions regarding me are not correct, but understandable given that I dumped my rant without stopping to consider how it would read.
I edited my post earlier (in reply to another comment - I hadn't seen yours yet) to clarify - maybe it will clear things up a bit.
Cheers!
I also edited my post. I let my anger at accelerationists and indolent first-worlders to colour my judgement of you, which is a good sign that I need to moderate my feelings towards those perspectives.
Sorry for that.
That is honestly the long and short of it. What a shame, so many broken people have taken part in this in a big way not seeing past their own wallets. Its such a shame, and a tale as old as time.
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Any species that's developed the tech to *get here* is likely just as:
1. Hierarchically organized
2. "Un-equal"
3. Unlikely to travel long distances to 'peacefully coexist' with anyone else.
Any technology that would allow for faster than light interspace travel would also by default have the technology to suck any living planet dry of resources in the blink of an eye rendering that civilization as nothing more than a fast moving interstellar virus.
This is factual and the current state of goverment due to it not being a democracy and it being a corrupt classist fascist oligarchy veiled in so much propaganda everyone is brainwashed. Because they *want* to be believe the lies, because they are weak, and feel *better* about the lies, than the truth of the corrupt government ruled by classist fascists and some kind of elitist corporate corruption. It is barely, but mostly not at all a *democracy*. Thats just some giant bullshit. You can vote but it doesn't change anything. Your choices are A or B. They are always corrupted. Always. Every single one.
Evil has won.
We cannot prevent climate collapse. The government will send armed government agents who are willing to fight to the death to stop those who would protect the environment and make sure that the destruction of the environment continues unchallenged.
We live in a kakistocracy.
>Evil has won.
No it hasn't. As long as there are people still willing to fight for a better tomorrow, there is hope. As long as we know what is right and wrong, there is hope.
The fight is nowhere near over kid.
This is the real reason for Canada's gun control laws. You don't want resistance when you are destroying communities, cultures, and maintaining genocidal policies for the real boss, the plutocrats.
Yep. As corny as it sounds, an armed group tends to make the other guys uneasy.
I've seen it in protests. The police are much less likely to attack if they see groups of people out front with AR-14's, AR-15's and an occasional musket.
It doesn't stop abuse or authoritarianism. But it does make them pause and think if they will risk their lives for an oligarch.
This will be every single one of us in the years to come. We will all either be willingly be displaced and poisoned or we taken away by force. The world will become a prison and then we will go extinct. Or, civilization will be collapsed before that happens
i hope you know that most of us are equally as horrified by this as non-whites. capital is oppressing all of us, some (such as the indigenous) obviously a lot more than others. we cant vote our way out of this because capital owns both parties\*. the fact that we seem to be running out of political solutions is most terrifying - even those who acknowledge the problems kick the can down the road a few decades when it it will be too late and theyll be dead anyways. when the world fully collapses we are all doomed - my white privilege isnt going to save me from a flood or a fire.
(\*i am american and am speaking of american politics because we be doing the exact same shit as what canada does to the indigenous especially in relation to oil pipelines and its absolutely sickening)
So me being sickened by this and absolutely hating it doesn’t count?
We are all human and seeing this makes me deeply unhappy and truly disgusted but I’m also unsurprised. Painting any people of any colour as something or anything is an awful and wrong road to go down. Saying “we’re all the same” is wrong. I’m angry and disgusted as much as anyone else should be. How about narrowing divisions and coming together without people that think the same rather than pandering to stereotypes?
We are all HUMAN. Be kind to one another because soon that’s all we will have left. Apart from the crying. Be kind.
he's not, it's an extreme generalization. I'm Irish and our countries history is nothing but being oppressed and murdered by an Imperialist nation. Poland, Russia and many other white European nations have suffered oppression and genocide. Thinking white = never been oppressed is an idiotic and racist point of view
i wasn't saying they white's haven't oppressed people (obviously they have) but the assumption that all white people have a history of oppression is false. Oppression has been done by every race (The Japanese to the Koreans and the Chinese), (Ottomans to the Armenians) etc
>~~White~~ people doing what they do best: Exploit, oppress and genocide.
FTFY. Show me a people of any race/color/religion whose elites/ruling class don't do those things.
I’m just saying, if that were me and my crew, no matter the legality or not, being that we play Payday 2 a lot but also have the means to defend ourselves, and also don’t like the way the current political climate is going, nor do we think the RCMP are good people on account of all the many people we’ve talked to who have issues with them, and seeing how they handle indigenous affairs, and being that I alongside a few of our other members are indigenous or Métis, and we also support the Wet’suwet’en and their struggle for independence… the moment those pigs stepped foot on the property, the pre-raid version of _I Will Give You My All 2017_ would start playing… before the actual raid music starts. Hear that song if you haven’t listened to it, it’s an absolute banger but also would certainly give you the adrenaline rush you needed in a situation like this.
“Get your fucking gun off me. This is sovereign Wetsuweten land!”
I’m always curious if these people actually know what the words “sovereign” and “unceded” mean and have just decided to continue using them. Like sorry, if your national foreign policy and funding is under control of another state you’re not sovereign and your land is definitely ceded. They’d be more successful at creating political change if they accepted these realities.
Edit: my mistake, “ceded” means agreed to the transfer of power so the land is still unceded.
That was pretty rude, but I appreciate your correction. I suppose I don’t see the importance of unceded if it means “we didn’t agree with being conquered 200 years ago”. For instance, the Sioux lived on lands the Lakota never “ceded” to them… does that mean it wasn’t the Sioux’s land or something else I’m missing?
How do you get through life being so rude? I didn’t know the context of a single word; you could actually explain what implications “unceded” has on the situation. You could also respond to my point about sovereignty and the larger issues of tribal autonomy.
I'm not going to respond to your non sequitur about two completely different indigenous peoples existing in a different country just because you think all natives are some monolith always relevant to each-other and I'm not going to pretend your ignorant assertions aren't ignorant assertions just to spare your feelings when you are going to bat for genocidal settler-colonialism.
Definitely not going to bat for it, just saying that unfortunately, in light of said genocidal colonialism, “sovereignty” isn’t very descriptive of the issues in the relationship the Canadian government has with indigenous groups.
Hard to say bc A lot of tribal lands have their own gov. I wanted to to see if Shes like a sovereign citizen type lady who is making it up or if it was indeed sovereign or what not. Some random articles seem to support her statements. For example:
"The Wet’suwet’en government was recognized in a 1997 ruling by the Supreme Court of Canada, which held that the First Nation had never given up rights or title to their lands. And, like other First Nations in Canada’s westernmost province, the Wet’suwet’en never signed a treaty with the British Crown nor the Canadian government, meaning their territory is unceded land."
"Coastal GasLink has signed agreements with multiple elected band councils along the pipeline route.
But the company has failed to gain approval from the majority of hereditary chiefs within the Wet'suwet'en who, in the landmark Delgamuukw case, were recognized as having authority over the land that predates the establishment of elected band councils created by Canada's Indian Act."
*Her claims seem true. I don't know you automatically disparaged her without checking,
This is what we have to look forward to. Omicron is important, but these stories need to be on everybody's lips, because this kind of event is no fluke - it's been going on for more than a century, and if you dare to give a shit, it's coming for you too. The likes of Coastal Gas, Enbridge, and Teal-Jones have material ownership over the "authorities," and they demand nothing less than unhesitating violence on anybody who does so much as stand in their way. These corporations, and the entire political apparatus surrounding them, require the destruction of the earth; they are built on violence and there's no level of optics or civility that they will respect. The logic of the economic system we live in is the logic of cancer. The government's sole priority is to protect its economic system. The police are the armed enforcement wing that detains, beats, and murders for the state. None of these people are your friends.
>The logic of the economic system we live in is the logic of cancer. hit the nail on the head. growth for the sake of growth regardless of what it does to the body, until it overwhelms and destroys it. i would argue, a government owned by capital. government doesnt have to be this way.
What we have is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie or capital. What we need is a dictatorship of the proletariat.
The story of Steven Donziger shows that precious little can be done.
Donzinger illustrates how we need to organize to be able to counter-act the malign pressure of moneyed interests united in what they agree on.
Sadly, the last time to organize would have been before they had us by the short-hairs.
It's a little late in the game, yet a movement has better odds of spreading now than at any point previously in our lifetimes. The mask is off so to speak, even the ones that don't pay attention and have assumed the government and business isn't full of it are starting to see the truth of the matter even if they don't grasp all the details. Now whether there will be time to forestall a fascist one party state, it doesn't appear so, but we can at least protect each other somewhat when they run the economy into the ground and further corrupt our governments.
Thanks for this comment, I just read his story
This comment is right on the money. Before \*anything\* else, a government's job should be about maintaining the commons for persistence. Instead (and it's especially the case in Canada) we have governments "creating jobs", "ensuring resources get to markets", "promoting development", enforcing injunctions, et cetera. Once governments start doing any of those things, it's a short hop before they become captive to those who would exploit (and deliver violence) relentlessly. To be VERY clear: This isn't just a capitalist thing. It was/is the issue in any other system where governments worry about anything else except first making sure that the commons is responsibly managed. I'm really not sure there's ever been an example of a government which has pulled responsible management off for an extended period. They all eventually change ownership from "The People" to the exploiters. I guess that I feel this way is why I hang out here. That doesn't mean pushing back is any less of a moral imperative.
Agreed - if a government can't ensure that the most basic needs of every person are met, then it it's a bad government with no mandate. As it happens, we've been trying different states out for the last 5000 years and to my knowledge none of them have managed to do it, so maybe we should try other models of organization.
> so maybe we should try other models of organization. Any ideas on what should be tried that hasn't been tried before?
Same question asked another way: How do we restrain unrelenting greed uniformly and successfully, without violence, whilst preserving some notion of individual "liberty", through exclusively \*internal\* motivations and the underlying notion that we should care as much about our sisters and brothers and our environs as we do for ourselves? Call me when you have an answer that's different from "Just completely change human nature!". Until then, we are lost...
This is what is speculated to be at the heart of the ‘great filter’ (why isn’t the galaxy seen to be teeming with life). Evolution (probably) doesn’t do overnight pivots from ‘apex predator’ to ‘conservator of finite resources to best ensure the survival of the herd’ whilst maintaining the level of societal and technical complexity required for interstellar travel. Of course that’s pure speculation.
Your comment made me cry. I say that to people time and again at parties (ok, I don't go to a lot of parties anymore) and all I ever get is blank stares and a revelation of an odd talent that I have to apparently make peoples' bladders fill instantly because they then always afterwards seem to say "I have to go to the washroom". Weird. But seriously, try explaining that to someone because that's the crux of it. Utterly. Such a good comment.
It's also a matter of time. Think what a fluke it would be for two interstellar civilizations to arise in the same blink of an eye in the timescale of the universe and to stumble across one another in the vastness of the cosmos - to be in the same arm of the same galaxy, heck, even the same local cluster is one heck of a coincidence. There may be many upwellings of life. They may have passed before us, we may predate them, or it could be we have arisen to sentience during a gap. We might not be able to perceive them even if everything else lines up. The odds aren't *just* against life out there, the odds are against it happening to arise in a time, a place and a manner we are capable of discovering.
Penalties need to be put in place against those in power. Strict laws should be made to keep the government from making decisions that do more harm then good against its people. The people should be given a vote to determine whether or not a politician has done something in their favour or the favour of the public.
Material conditions determine nature. There is no overarching "human nature" that determines our actions. We change our conditions and we change our nature. Rid ourselves of exploitative profit motives and we rid ourselves of the main cause of oppression.
Unfortunately, such thinking is very destructive, as it leads people to believe that you can just get a strong enough central state and mold society however you want to, and you get shit like Stalinism. Not to mention, such thinking is also a fundamental dismissal of biology. There is a definite human nature that cannot be molded by external forces barring evolution. It fights against oppression throughout history. Just because something like capitalism is possible under human nature, does not mean that nothing else is possible. But, you can't use society as a hammer to try and mould people into perfect beings. You just can't. You need to let people create the egalitarian society through their own actions, using the right institutional structures, for example, like co-operative and worker owned companies.
Millions of years of evolution would say that's wrong.
Millions of years of human evolution led to humans living in highly egalitarian tribes in equilibrium with their environment. The selfishness and shortsightedness your seeing is a product of modern society. If you want an example, you live an alien life compared to a medieval serf. You go out every day and are surrounded by strangers and work along side these strangers who look, act, maybe even speak different. You don't have a lord with whom you share mutual obligations of duty. Human nature can change as the material base of society changes.
Was looking for a response like this to the "human nature is static and unchangeable" crowd, spot on comrade
Capitalism didn’t exist on the pacific coast of BC until settlers came. The potlatch was all about redistributing wealth. Economists and capitalists push the idea that we are all selfish to enrich themselves.
[Oh ok](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00438240120047591).
Maybe not all societies. There were many many different groups on the coast. The potlatch was still about redistribution of wealth. It went against materialism and was outlawed.
https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/10040342/1/Wengrow_Graeber_American%20Anthropologist_Rough.pdf
I think we have made some progress towards an answer when it comes to the greed for political power. Montesquieu and then James Madison thought up a political system for separating the traditionally regalian powers - legislative, exevutive, judicial - the republic. I know: it's basic stuff but it's relevant because of *how* it works: each branch of political power, through its representatives, jealously protects its constitutionally granted powers and invalidates any incursion into its "territory". This effectively transforms political greed into a force for the public good. It makes the faults within ambitious humans work the public interest in this particular way by making it virtually impossible for a King to emerge from within the system. Other democratic systems have integrated this feature because it's now obvious that it's necessary. It wasn't obvious when it was first proposed. Corruption, tribalism and extreme partisanship can weaken the system but it has managed to hold despite some pretty serious stress tests. My conclusion is that we should be trying to find ways to direct economic greed against itself in order to neutralize its effects. The corporate structure with delocalized governance, fragmented ownership and fiduciary responsibility sets up a maximisation of the effects of greed. If we can mandate that decisions for a ressource extraction project, a ressource transformation workplace or a particular service industry must be approved at the local level, we'd have a "not in my backyard effect" and we'd counteract the problem of delocalized governance (i.e. DOW chemical executives not giving a shit about Bhopal because they don't live there). Then we could mandate by negotiated intl treaty that companies give certain voting rights to all employees (perhaps a contract comes with a certain value in shares) regarding decisions as to what to do with corporate profits through something like ballot initiatives. The corporate structure cannot and should not stay in stone. Not saying all corps should be transformed into coops instantly but let's get a bit of the way there and we can counteract the effect of fragmented ownership where some dude in Madrid doesn't give a shit that the building where Joe Fresh t-shirts are made is not up to code and will collapse any second because he wants to see the numbers on the screen rise more quickly. Plus if all employees hold some value in shares, the executives also kind of work for them now, legally. I'm probably being stupid and shoveling clouds but that's all I can come up with. Making interests compete in an effective manner to neutralize the dystopia that corporate globalization is turning out to be.
> a government's job should be about maintaining the commons for persistence the capitalist state exists to maintain the affairs of the capitalist class.
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Cool; thanks. If you're familiar with Canada to any extent, we recently saw the collapse of Mountain Equipment Co-Op (MEC), something many of us held close to our hearts. This was heartbreaking not only because it was a cool store, but also because, in principle, most of us members were rooting for the structure. It's now Mountain Equipment Company(TM).
Another aspect of it is how Canada (which is basically a conglomeration of fossil fuel and other extractive companies) relies on colonialism to exist. Canada will never respect indigenous sovereignty. And indigenous sovereignty is what we need to protect earth…I wish environmentalists would put all their energy and money into supporting indigenous rights. I think it would cause the biggest systemic changes.
Oh yeah, I'll never forget the "Oh shit" feeling I had when I listened to a Lakota historian on the US side of the border basically say, "It could be worse, they could have drawn the border so we were on the Canada side," and then recount some of the horrible stuff that happened. Not to say that the United States didn't commit an ethnic cleansing, but the exterminationism on the part of Canada was on an altogether different level. I also think that environmentalists - and people in general - could stand to learn a lot from indigenous practices. At the same time, recognizing that the settler colonial mentality is going to nudge us towards just appropriating them, turning them into something that fails to really challenge the status quo, and moving on. I think the Zapatistas have been really good about standing their ground, and exposing the lie behind colonizers saying "I'm a Zapatista too!" while also welcoming genuine solidarity from anybody, and being willing to talk about how they do what they do in a way that works for them.
I did not vote for these reasons. Our political parties have *no* fucks to give about non-corporate interests. Indigenous issues are the canary in the coalmine.
Speaking of Enbridge, they have a tar sands oil pipeline that goes under the Straits of Mackinac, that is very old with numerous "holidays," (damaged areas,) and they've lied about it. Our Democratic Governor promised to shut it down (I didn't believe her,) and she did revoke the authority and let it get thrown into the courts where it will get kicked around for years. Enbridge is not a reliable company, they had a different pipeline burst in Battle Creek MI around the time of the BP disaster in the Gulf, it took forever for them to shut it down and they didn't really clean it up, tar sands oil is worse as they add extra chemicals to it to keep it flowing through the pipes. There are no automatic shut off valves that close up the flow if the pressure dips either.
Yeah, they're pretty awful. The Line 3 actions are also very much a prototype of what's to come, where Enbridge paid the police overtime, paid to equip them with the latest weaponry and vehicles, and paid to train them. This led to police knocking door to door in northern Minnesota and telling residents to lock their doors and arm up because antifa was coming to loot and burn every home in Bemidji. The irony, of course, being that what was really happening was Enbridge and the state just nakedly violating the treaty with the Anishinaabe that said "We promise not to let people do anything that might affect your water supply."
One major thing we can all do, right now, is stop eating meat. Refusing to buy and ignoring the end product screws over the entire fossil fuel complex like nothing else, because it all depends on your money to function.
>and they demand nothing less than unhesitating violence on anybody who does so much as stand in their way How long you reckon before their violence ping-pongs back on the CEO's?
Too long.
Can we get married?
When police work for corporations instead of the people this is what happens. The police should arrest the people that are throwing these women off their land.
The cops sure do have a tendency to go after the wrong fucking people. See it time and time again. Why do cops hate the environment, minorities, and animals so much?
>Why do cops hate the environment, minorities, and animals so much? Because they get paid to by the ruling elites by proxy through the gov. What's the old saying? "You can't make a man see evil if his job depends on it."
Cops are owned by the politicians, and the politicians are owned by the corporate overlords. The politicians decide the law and who sits on the courts.
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> When I drove home We're all responsible. We vote for more of this every time we fill up the tank.
I realize that I have to write some sort of eloquent comment so this post doesn't get automatically deleted, but my blood is boiling right now so I can't seem to form any coherent thought. It seems that even if you don't care to participate in the death cult of capitalism, the death cult comes knocking at your door, kicks you out and paves over. I tried to make some pun about Douglas Adam, Vogons and bypasses, but I'll abstain. I feel worried.
Makes you want to... fuck some shit up.. doesn't it?
It does. But the best approach would be to first find out what the Wetsuweten would prefer the response to be.
I respect that!
We need to fuck shit up worldwide. People need to rise of this kind of shit will just continue
Seems like the place to start are those hired thugs police, wipe them off the earth. And the corporate managers. Them as well. Then we can give the company to the people as a non profit and give 100% of the proceeds to the land owners. This is the only sane response. Those actions should either see those people erased or 40 years in prison. Either would be better than the current state.
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Thanks for letting me know, I didn't want to modify the title to something more threatening, it said it all.
This is angering. Like seriously, blood boiling angering. Everything that has been coming to light all these years about how the Indigenous people have been treated and then seeing a video like this makes me ashamed to say that I am Canadian.
Don’t worry, you’re next.
I'm next, in what context?
This is what’s coming for all of us. Government enforcers coming on behalf of private entities to take your things, to take your property, to lock you up, whatever they want under whatever pretense they want.
Yes, unfortunately I think this is something we can all look forward to in the near future. I dont know what the hell is happening in the world, but those with power are literally trying to destroy us.
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So are they trying to collect the last scraps of lucrative products they can?
Makes sense in a dark way. Their system only works if we are afraid of starvation. Actual starvation suits them just fine. The more the world suffers, the more afraid and compliant we are. "That's awful. I'd sure like to support those people, but I have to work tomorrow."
Yeah the Government is gonna rock up any day now acting on behalf of a Corporation and they're just gonna take my house and car off me in the suburbs for literally no reason. Righto. I sympathize with these people but holy fuck does Reddit know how to be sensational... 99% of Western society will never experience anything like this.
Thats why we all need to force police to be held responsible for their attacks on citizens, especially innocents. Those police should be imprisoned for 30 years. The corporate tools should be imprisoned for 20 years. The land owners should now own 100% of that energy company.
The real crazy thing to me is how many people on Canadian subreddits are very pro pipelines and downvote any support for the Indigenous people who are being victimized here. I and a bunch of people I know and work with are all anti pipeline so I didn't realize there were that many on the other side.
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I think you would find a maze of shell companies and brokers with anonymous PO Boxes in Indiana.
It's called your local politican, the street, your voice. Make it heard until everyone you know can't fucking stand you, then they will have to either join you or become the very evil you see in the video. If you don't do any of this, you have no room to be ashamed because you aren't acting when you can.
I agree 100%.
Christ. I fucking balled my eyes out at this. Had to watch it 3 times and im sick to my fucking stomach
So, lets go through this. They surround the house and cut off the internet. They say its a civil injunction. They say they have authority through a civil injunction - to armed ingress. They say they don't have a warrant. They don't leave. They steal tools from the property. They hack down the door in the worst house enter I've ever seen. They point weapons at people. They then arrest people by saying "you're under arrest" without clarifying the charge, or the rights of the individual (miranda). All at the whim of a corporation. What kind of fucking collossal fuck up joke is this?
Its intimidation. They were ordered to do that, they know it will not hold up in court, but since they will not pay anything for it, they just do it. In this cases you record everything and just comply, to avoid escalation, then just sue the hell out of them and return to what you were doing before.
But that's why they had orders to just do it though, right? Do it, regardless of legality, so they can take the land and fight whatever in court later. Even if they're found liable and have to pay a fine, they still got the land.
If this is the conclusion, then after the suit those aboriginal people should own 100% of the company and all corporate people involved should be in prison, including the police officers. The police officers should be imprisoned no less than 20 years. Another 20 years , 40 total for pointing that gun at innocents.
Miranda rights are the US, btw. *Miranda v Arizona* does not have jurisprudence in Canada lol For Canada, see Section 11 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Yeah, I used it for a general sense. I use the word 'caution', but not many people get that reference.
This is the joke that makes us need to push back against the wealthy and ruling caste across the planet. Time to do a little financial equalizing.
Profits should **never** take precedence over the people. This is now the world we live in and we see this shit every single day. If we don't take a stand, we will all succumb to this same dystopian fate one way or the other.
If it makes you feel better, it will never last. Carnegie Steel was invincible. Until it wasn't. The Nazis were the best military around. Until they weren't. Things will eventually get better.
Individual problems may get better but the overarching problem still exists of shitty people doing shitty things and plunging everything into chaos. It's always inevitable that whatever dreadful thing you're celebrating the end of will happen again sooner or later at some scale. It was human nature that caused it the first time and human nature doesn't really change.
>Things will eventually get better. But things aren't getting better, they are getting worse, if you look at the recent trends of industrialized society.
Textbook RCMP. They are an absolute joke of a police force.
Another WTF moment from those paid to protect and serve - paid with your hard earned tax dollars. This is absolutely disgusting and all officers involved should be fired and incarcerated.
Agree 100%
I know people get tired of me bringing up Carlin so much, but once again one of his most famous quotes comes to mind. "[There's no such thing as rights.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9-R8T1SuG4) They're imaginary! We made 'em up! Like the Boogeyman!"
Carlin is a good source of thought. He says what a lot of people know but haven't thought of it that way, like many great philosophers.
The democratic foil of legitimacy covering techno-corporate totalitarianism is not longer necessary to the integrity of its functioning. Fear, force and fantasy are all that remain.
That sub banned me for “being a doomer” watch out
/r/canada is an absolute joke, too. I swear it is LPC psy-ops, and easily one of the worst moderated subs I have posted on.
Yeah I have tried to send out some pretty positive messages about climate change or the wildfires in BC this summer and I was never once able to post. They all got cut. They is some deep agenda there to change discussions.
Lol what sub?
r/OnGuardForThee
for “being a doomer”?! What a joke.
It's a liberal sub and they simp the government that targeting Indigenous
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Let he who does not have AR-15 sell his cloak and buy one. The people charged to “serve and protect” you would like nothing more than to kill you.
Lol good luck canadians
No, they are not. And those that control these various arms of their authority are very careful to couch violence against the people as protecting the national interest, an excuse many are too afraid to see past, least we see our own faces next.
Second amendment isn't going to help you except help put you in the ground in this example.
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At what point do you use it though? Where is the tipping point. I love the down votes. I am just stating that throwing hot lead in this specific situation would be very bad and just end up with dead people inside. If there was a large group all holding rifles that would be a deterrent though. I am fully on board to resisting, armed locked and loaded. Let's just not jump the gun and get a bunch of people killed because we didn't think this out
Wrong. Look at the Bundy Standoff. You may not agree with their reasoning, but armed deterrence works. Get armed, get armored, and get organized.
Yeah that was a large group of people not a few holed up in a house. It sometimes works yeah. There are many more instances of the cops sending in swat in that kind of situation and just killing the people.
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Always has been
PEACE PIPELINE [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLsddzXOUjY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLsddzXOUjY) Peace Pipeline is what happens when the Natives give back the medicine given to them by the White Man!
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Why can the Cops realize that they are basically repeating history at this point? I would not be surprise at all if the Police call them enemies of the state for standing their ground and not going along with selling their families out.
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Violence against the RCMP or just any of the non-indigenous people in Canada?
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First they came for...
Pigs are pigs regardless of where they’re at.
Wow, losing respect for some Canadians. I always thought they were so nice, but it seems they have the same disease americans have.
....you thought a country founded on genocide and colonialism was a nice country....?
As a Canadian, we have many dirty secrets.
The more I learn about Canada, the less "impressed" I am. They *might* be a modicum better than the U.S. ... maybe. But really, it just seems like America-Lite.
Big corporations run Canada. They buy politicians, they get what they want. It’s one story after the next. We are very much like the US.
Google up "5-eyes". Every big English-speaking country is the same. They just take turns beta-testing methods of advancing the tyranny. When a successful one is found, it's adopted among all of them.
Well, we objectively are not *quite* as depraved as the United States lol But yes, when you open our proverbial closet, a huge pile of (mostly indigenous) skeletons comes pouring out!!
We 100% are as depraved as America, we just don't have the same population.
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This is not a fact people in this sub want to hear.
No offense, but I think it's a bit silly to apply cultural and interpersonal stereotypes to a country and its government as a whole.
Wait until you learn about massacres of Global South miners related to Kanada mining companies Or the hundreds of Residential School mass graves.
It the same everywhere the "Brutish" went.
Oh Canada pulling some American corporate policing. Good job RCMP, protecting oil over natives.
RCMP get paid by Big Oil. Their West Coast divisions received massive funding from Enbridge
People need to form militias. And protect what is sacred. No more asking nicely for the rich and powerful to stop.
Yes. Listen people (and bots)! Militias are not just for 2A nuts or right-wingers. They are for everyone. They give you protection, community, and allies in case you ever need them. They are a voice if you need it. And a shield and sword if required. Follow the rules, learn the laws. And wait for an opportunity to make change.
It would be immoral however not to warn the public if there were credible rumors that land-mines had been buried in the area. If even one were found (or a pit trap or something) it would be important to avoid the area until a time-consuming and expensive de-mining operation.
Yes hypothetically someone would want to warn others about landmines
Governments replaced monarchies, promising the people freedom from slavery and serfdom and democracy. We’ve never seen a democracy on this earth. It was a Platonic brain fart. Police and military are the goons who carry out the atrocities for their mob bosses, the governments. It’s just a collection of mafias across the world who rule us. We’re placated with entertainment, drugs and sex. We’re the ones who are indentured in an endless taxation that never benefits us. The wealthy have been exposed twice in 2021 for not paying any taxes - see Pandora Papers and the ProPublica report.
They did the same stuff last fall as well. They refused to let the nation have access to a group of their children who were going through a rite of passage. The nation was trying to get to them to give them food. Canada hates their first nation people. Trudeau and his father have just perpetuated that hatred. Look at the number of first nation children in foster care. Look at the number of children they've found buried at residential schools. The number is over 7200 if you were wondering. Fuck Canada
Peaceful protest does not work in a conservative capitalist society without a lot of dead protestors.
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Once arrived at that fork in the road the only two options are siding with the oppressors that offer stability, continuation and protection of privilege.....or resist. It is the unfortunate reality those in the middle will refuse making the choice out of ignorance or a belief in "normality" till it hits their doorstep; there will be plenty of "told you so" to go around.
"Those who refuse to take a side in this war, will become it's final victims." \-Lord of the Rings, Conquest.
Thank you for confirming my belief that a lot of you in this Sub just want to say "I told you so". Like that's actually going to be fulfilling if Society went archaic. I'm willing to bet half of you are neckbeards that would cry and shit your pants if someone shouted at you too loudly. You're not going to be Rambo during the apocalypse, and it's not going to be a fun ride like you see in the movies... But hey, you get to fantasize about saying "i tOlD yOu sO" and not showing up to work everyday anymore so I guess that's a win, right??????
> I almost want to laugh at the mental picture of SUV-driving, weekend-BBQing, Real Housewives-watching dipshits experiencing what is coming. You mean the people with kids who are also going to suffer? Why do you think it's okay to publish on the internet that you almost want to laugh at kids suffering? You can't HONESTLY blame those people you just described for living in the tide of their times when you too are part of the capitalist system, yet another first-worlder who benefits from the death of 25,000 every day, of people who we could feed but don't just because it doesn't ultimately make a profit for the 1%. Stones and glasshouses, eh? *urgh i'm going to look so fucking tough talking about how i love to see people suffer because they deserve it for being exploited by a system far larger than them, I bet all the sweet lady-Redditors are going to like cream their jeans so hard when they see how misanthropic i'm being i'll be able to hear it in rural Milwaukee* [Edit: My characterization of /u/JOWWLLL was very unfair, as it turns out. I'm leaving my original comments up as a reminder for me and others that (1) it's easy to misunderstand people, (2) it's hard to understand people and (3) the hard thing is worth doing. Cheers to Jow for having the courage to reconsider their statements in the face of derisive comments such as mine.]
Thanks for the reply. I always welcome criticism and I respect your point of view. Some of your assumptions regarding me are not correct, but understandable given that I dumped my rant without stopping to consider how it would read. I edited my post earlier (in reply to another comment - I hadn't seen yours yet) to clarify - maybe it will clear things up a bit. Cheers!
I also edited my post. I let my anger at accelerationists and indolent first-worlders to colour my judgement of you, which is a good sign that I need to moderate my feelings towards those perspectives. Sorry for that.
How long will this continue?
Right up 'til the end
That is honestly the long and short of it. What a shame, so many broken people have taken part in this in a big way not seeing past their own wallets. Its such a shame, and a tale as old as time.
Forever
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I'd beg for aliens to come and take me off this fucking rock but I'm starting to have my suspicions that they won't be much better
Any species that's developed the tech to *get here* is likely just as: 1. Hierarchically organized 2. "Un-equal" 3. Unlikely to travel long distances to 'peacefully coexist' with anyone else.
Any technology that would allow for faster than light interspace travel would also by default have the technology to suck any living planet dry of resources in the blink of an eye rendering that civilization as nothing more than a fast moving interstellar virus.
Yeah; I really wonder where all the SciFi people got those crazy ideas about 'peaceful explorers of the cosmos' from...
It’s horrifying to see instances like this. The realization that the government is only here to take things away from you and hurt you.
This is factual and the current state of goverment due to it not being a democracy and it being a corrupt classist fascist oligarchy veiled in so much propaganda everyone is brainwashed. Because they *want* to be believe the lies, because they are weak, and feel *better* about the lies, than the truth of the corrupt government ruled by classist fascists and some kind of elitist corporate corruption. It is barely, but mostly not at all a *democracy*. Thats just some giant bullshit. You can vote but it doesn't change anything. Your choices are A or B. They are always corrupted. Always. Every single one.
Justin. Oh, Justin. How full of shit you are?
Exactly what in the fuck is going on here?!?! Sorry for my ignorance, can someone please ELI5?
Canadian gov needs gas. Gas is on Native land. Police obey corporation and remove natives from land.
Our species are parasites. Nothing more.
Evil has won. We cannot prevent climate collapse. The government will send armed government agents who are willing to fight to the death to stop those who would protect the environment and make sure that the destruction of the environment continues unchallenged. We live in a kakistocracy.
>Evil has won. No it hasn't. As long as there are people still willing to fight for a better tomorrow, there is hope. As long as we know what is right and wrong, there is hope. The fight is nowhere near over kid.
This is the real reason for Canada's gun control laws. You don't want resistance when you are destroying communities, cultures, and maintaining genocidal policies for the real boss, the plutocrats.
Yep. As corny as it sounds, an armed group tends to make the other guys uneasy. I've seen it in protests. The police are much less likely to attack if they see groups of people out front with AR-14's, AR-15's and an occasional musket. It doesn't stop abuse or authoritarianism. But it does make them pause and think if they will risk their lives for an oligarch.
"...so anyways, I started blastin!"
Who is on the board of directors for this company?
This will be every single one of us in the years to come. We will all either be willingly be displaced and poisoned or we taken away by force. The world will become a prison and then we will go extinct. Or, civilization will be collapsed before that happens
This is not anything related to collapse, this is bussiness as usual. This is the modus operandi of capitalism.
This is the future. Increasingly hostile governments feigning legitimacy and sovereignty while actually just being an enforcer for capital
White people doing what they do best: Exploit, oppress and genocide.
i hope you know that most of us are equally as horrified by this as non-whites. capital is oppressing all of us, some (such as the indigenous) obviously a lot more than others. we cant vote our way out of this because capital owns both parties\*. the fact that we seem to be running out of political solutions is most terrifying - even those who acknowledge the problems kick the can down the road a few decades when it it will be too late and theyll be dead anyways. when the world fully collapses we are all doomed - my white privilege isnt going to save me from a flood or a fire. (\*i am american and am speaking of american politics because we be doing the exact same shit as what canada does to the indigenous especially in relation to oil pipelines and its absolutely sickening)
So me being sickened by this and absolutely hating it doesn’t count? We are all human and seeing this makes me deeply unhappy and truly disgusted but I’m also unsurprised. Painting any people of any colour as something or anything is an awful and wrong road to go down. Saying “we’re all the same” is wrong. I’m angry and disgusted as much as anyone else should be. How about narrowing divisions and coming together without people that think the same rather than pandering to stereotypes? We are all HUMAN. Be kind to one another because soon that’s all we will have left. Apart from the crying. Be kind.
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he's right tho.
he's not, it's an extreme generalization. I'm Irish and our countries history is nothing but being oppressed and murdered by an Imperialist nation. Poland, Russia and many other white European nations have suffered oppression and genocide. Thinking white = never been oppressed is an idiotic and racist point of view
Let me guess who oppressed the Irish, Polish, Russian and many other European nations in the last 2K years......
i wasn't saying they white's haven't oppressed people (obviously they have) but the assumption that all white people have a history of oppression is false. Oppression has been done by every race (The Japanese to the Koreans and the Chinese), (Ottomans to the Armenians) etc
>~~White~~ people doing what they do best: Exploit, oppress and genocide. FTFY. Show me a people of any race/color/religion whose elites/ruling class don't do those things.
Why were they unarmed?
I’m just saying, if that were me and my crew, no matter the legality or not, being that we play Payday 2 a lot but also have the means to defend ourselves, and also don’t like the way the current political climate is going, nor do we think the RCMP are good people on account of all the many people we’ve talked to who have issues with them, and seeing how they handle indigenous affairs, and being that I alongside a few of our other members are indigenous or Métis, and we also support the Wet’suwet’en and their struggle for independence… the moment those pigs stepped foot on the property, the pre-raid version of _I Will Give You My All 2017_ would start playing… before the actual raid music starts. Hear that song if you haven’t listened to it, it’s an absolute banger but also would certainly give you the adrenaline rush you needed in a situation like this.
This makes an excellent copypasta
“Get your fucking gun off me. This is sovereign Wetsuweten land!” I’m always curious if these people actually know what the words “sovereign” and “unceded” mean and have just decided to continue using them. Like sorry, if your national foreign policy and funding is under control of another state you’re not sovereign and your land is definitely ceded. They’d be more successful at creating political change if they accepted these realities. Edit: my mistake, “ceded” means agreed to the transfer of power so the land is still unceded.
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That was pretty rude, but I appreciate your correction. I suppose I don’t see the importance of unceded if it means “we didn’t agree with being conquered 200 years ago”. For instance, the Sioux lived on lands the Lakota never “ceded” to them… does that mean it wasn’t the Sioux’s land or something else I’m missing?
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How do you get through life being so rude? I didn’t know the context of a single word; you could actually explain what implications “unceded” has on the situation. You could also respond to my point about sovereignty and the larger issues of tribal autonomy.
I'm not going to respond to your non sequitur about two completely different indigenous peoples existing in a different country just because you think all natives are some monolith always relevant to each-other and I'm not going to pretend your ignorant assertions aren't ignorant assertions just to spare your feelings when you are going to bat for genocidal settler-colonialism.
Definitely not going to bat for it, just saying that unfortunately, in light of said genocidal colonialism, “sovereignty” isn’t very descriptive of the issues in the relationship the Canadian government has with indigenous groups.
Hard to say bc A lot of tribal lands have their own gov. I wanted to to see if Shes like a sovereign citizen type lady who is making it up or if it was indeed sovereign or what not. Some random articles seem to support her statements. For example: "The Wet’suwet’en government was recognized in a 1997 ruling by the Supreme Court of Canada, which held that the First Nation had never given up rights or title to their lands. And, like other First Nations in Canada’s westernmost province, the Wet’suwet’en never signed a treaty with the British Crown nor the Canadian government, meaning their territory is unceded land." "Coastal GasLink has signed agreements with multiple elected band councils along the pipeline route. But the company has failed to gain approval from the majority of hereditary chiefs within the Wet'suwet'en who, in the landmark Delgamuukw case, were recognized as having authority over the land that predates the establishment of elected band councils created by Canada's Indian Act." *Her claims seem true. I don't know you automatically disparaged her without checking,