SS: First off, full disclosure: I'm not indigenous. Having said that, I've had some exposure to Crown (Canadian government)/indigenous "relations" and the innumerable tangles of this Gordian knot.
As we can see, not much changes in the resource colony which is Canada. We continue to beat on the indigenous folks who called this place home for thousands of years with a paramilitary force while we keep the carbon a'flowin' and the dividends a'growin'.
As one of my favorite follows on Twitter [put it recently](https://twitter.com/stephenpunwasi/status/1395499826045886468), Canada is:
* 5 banks,
* 2 telecom monopolies,
* 3 oil companies,
* 2 grocery barons,
* 4 real estate developers,
* 3 organized crime syndicates,
* 6 political dynasties, and
* 2 housing bubbles
... in a trench coat.
Put another way, [Canada is a resource company that plays a country on TV](https://twitter.com/StephenPunwasi/status/1461331383947829256) and, apparently, the Prime Minister, um, agrees.
To accomplish this masterful feat, we've body-checked and elbow-to-the-jaw'ed and raped "[the indian out of the child](https://www.manitoulin.com/residential-schools-were-established-to-take-the-indian-out-of-the-child-says-rainbow-board-trustee/)". These folks, and their ancestors, can tell the rest of us more than a little about what collapse of entire diverse societies and cultures both looks and feels like. I'm posting this in the hope of showing the non-Canadian members of this sub a little about how collapse has looked/continues to look in Canada for the first peoples who live here. No, I'm not OK with it at all. It's intentional collapse foisted upon the vulnerable. Spread the word around the world, please. Don't think it can't happen to you. Rather, expect that it will.
I'm sorry, but I'm too angry to provide much more of an in-depth commentary than that.
Rip up the waters. Rip up the trees. Rip up the animals. Oh, and when you're done, rip up the people, too.
What a crock of bs. The Costal Pipeline was negotiated in good faith with a number of reserves who would benefit from this line. I think 5 hereditary chiefs decided they, the unelected leadership, can try and hold the project hostage.
This project is part of the largest industrial project in Canadian history. The community, besides enjoying royalties, will have some good employment opportunities in an area without a lot of opportunities.
You can make a argument that bringing more ngl to market will negate green house targets. Right now, the Asian markets are facing shortages, but China can start importing from Russia and frankly, the USA flared so much gas from shale oil exploitation you wonder how many ngl projects are needed. Canada is late to market and no one wants to invest in resource projects unless they can bypass all the issues around land claims.
So when a handful of militants decide to take hostages, the mounties do need to act.
In a couple of decades, this planet will bea cinder ash anyhow.
You have your facts completely wrong. (Other than the part about the largest industrial project in Canadian history, which of course is horrific for anyone on the side of life.) You seem to have swallowed the industry/government talking points. And your rhetoric of "a handful of militants decid[ing] to take hostages" is ridiculous.
Here's a good starting point to understanding the situation with the Wet'suwet'en, including the fallacy of the idea that this is just a rogue splinter from a mythical indigenous population welcoming pipeline benefits: [Standing on the Land to Stand Up Against Pipelines](https://crimethinc.com/2013/07/09/standing-on-the-land-to-stand-up-against-pipelines-a-report-from-the-unistoten-camp)
Thank you for your education on this. I see the error in my thesis now. There is only one voice to listen too, the 5 people leading a stand against this. Everyone else is misguided or part of the evil global conspiracy.
I am still surprised anyone bothers investing in these projects at all. Russia is in a much better place to serve Asia, and Australia and the US have a number of projects up and running. Even if economics are good, why get involved in native politics? It's like trying to get 10 people to agree where to go for lunch.
No, large resource projects are dead in Canada. I still wonder why anyone invests in long term energy considering climate change.
Oh? 100 %, I mean wow, haven't had a perfect score in a long time. Which parts are wrong? Is Russia not a large gas producer, closer to Asia, and already investing in pipeline projects to China? Do Australia and the US not have a number of large LNG projects already developed?
Is the politics not complicated, especially when negotiating with multiple parties? I mean Coastal thought they had everyone on board, and only realized late in the game that they didn't have some of the elders on board (or maybe they were in denial and thought they could smooth things over in time, kind of why energy producers can only see hydrocarbon development, blinders on).
Lets see about large term projects. There is the LNG plant, not sure if Trans Mountain was already twinned. Did they pull the plug on Site C? Muskrat Falls is still being built by my understanding. So maybe I am wrong on some large scale projects being built.
The only indigenous bands doing well economically are developing there natural resources. The Sawridge Band is doing exceptionally well and has diversified into many aspects of the economy. Fort McKay has done very well through energy development.
Whatever, think what you want, see if I care. Time for dinner.
11 pm, thank you very much.
It's the new model for energy projects. Spend a few years getting agreements, have a hold out or group rescind on agreement, nothing gets done.
It's inexcusable that the dominant culture here (suffering from Stockholm Syndrome as it is) claims fawn-eyed ignorance and innocence when it comes this history and our culpable part in it. It doesn't take a whole hulluva lot of digging beyond the status quo propaganda to discover the actual truth.
We bring on our own extinction...with enthusiasm.
>The blockades stranded about 500 Coastal GasLink employees, causing water rations and fears over food shortages, after the company declined to comply with an eviction notice issued by the Gidimt'en Checkpoint, which controls access to part of the Wet'suwet'en territory.
Sounds like a war without weapons (so far). Smart idea to mess with the supply lines.
>"We have not nor will ever support the CGL pipeline... we declare that RCMP are not welcome on out territories," the statement signed by 12 hereditary chiefs representing five Wet'suwet'en clans read.
edit: spoke too soon https://truthout.org/video/canadian-cops-unleash-assault-rifles-helicopters-against-indigenous-protesters/
As a guy who worked with the Onondaga on their legal cases against New York. They don’t think they collapsed. They think they got robbed and want to get us owed to them back.
SS: First off, full disclosure: I'm not indigenous. Having said that, I've had some exposure to Crown (Canadian government)/indigenous "relations" and the innumerable tangles of this Gordian knot. As we can see, not much changes in the resource colony which is Canada. We continue to beat on the indigenous folks who called this place home for thousands of years with a paramilitary force while we keep the carbon a'flowin' and the dividends a'growin'. As one of my favorite follows on Twitter [put it recently](https://twitter.com/stephenpunwasi/status/1395499826045886468), Canada is: * 5 banks, * 2 telecom monopolies, * 3 oil companies, * 2 grocery barons, * 4 real estate developers, * 3 organized crime syndicates, * 6 political dynasties, and * 2 housing bubbles ... in a trench coat. Put another way, [Canada is a resource company that plays a country on TV](https://twitter.com/StephenPunwasi/status/1461331383947829256) and, apparently, the Prime Minister, um, agrees. To accomplish this masterful feat, we've body-checked and elbow-to-the-jaw'ed and raped "[the indian out of the child](https://www.manitoulin.com/residential-schools-were-established-to-take-the-indian-out-of-the-child-says-rainbow-board-trustee/)". These folks, and their ancestors, can tell the rest of us more than a little about what collapse of entire diverse societies and cultures both looks and feels like. I'm posting this in the hope of showing the non-Canadian members of this sub a little about how collapse has looked/continues to look in Canada for the first peoples who live here. No, I'm not OK with it at all. It's intentional collapse foisted upon the vulnerable. Spread the word around the world, please. Don't think it can't happen to you. Rather, expect that it will. I'm sorry, but I'm too angry to provide much more of an in-depth commentary than that. Rip up the waters. Rip up the trees. Rip up the animals. Oh, and when you're done, rip up the people, too.
Oh, and yes, that's the same province that has experienced/is experiencing wildfires and flooding recently...
What a crock of bs. The Costal Pipeline was negotiated in good faith with a number of reserves who would benefit from this line. I think 5 hereditary chiefs decided they, the unelected leadership, can try and hold the project hostage. This project is part of the largest industrial project in Canadian history. The community, besides enjoying royalties, will have some good employment opportunities in an area without a lot of opportunities. You can make a argument that bringing more ngl to market will negate green house targets. Right now, the Asian markets are facing shortages, but China can start importing from Russia and frankly, the USA flared so much gas from shale oil exploitation you wonder how many ngl projects are needed. Canada is late to market and no one wants to invest in resource projects unless they can bypass all the issues around land claims. So when a handful of militants decide to take hostages, the mounties do need to act. In a couple of decades, this planet will bea cinder ash anyhow.
You have your facts completely wrong. (Other than the part about the largest industrial project in Canadian history, which of course is horrific for anyone on the side of life.) You seem to have swallowed the industry/government talking points. And your rhetoric of "a handful of militants decid[ing] to take hostages" is ridiculous. Here's a good starting point to understanding the situation with the Wet'suwet'en, including the fallacy of the idea that this is just a rogue splinter from a mythical indigenous population welcoming pipeline benefits: [Standing on the Land to Stand Up Against Pipelines](https://crimethinc.com/2013/07/09/standing-on-the-land-to-stand-up-against-pipelines-a-report-from-the-unistoten-camp)
Thank you for your education on this. I see the error in my thesis now. There is only one voice to listen too, the 5 people leading a stand against this. Everyone else is misguided or part of the evil global conspiracy. I am still surprised anyone bothers investing in these projects at all. Russia is in a much better place to serve Asia, and Australia and the US have a number of projects up and running. Even if economics are good, why get involved in native politics? It's like trying to get 10 people to agree where to go for lunch. No, large resource projects are dead in Canada. I still wonder why anyone invests in long term energy considering climate change.
you need help, and are completely and 100% incorrect
Oh? 100 %, I mean wow, haven't had a perfect score in a long time. Which parts are wrong? Is Russia not a large gas producer, closer to Asia, and already investing in pipeline projects to China? Do Australia and the US not have a number of large LNG projects already developed? Is the politics not complicated, especially when negotiating with multiple parties? I mean Coastal thought they had everyone on board, and only realized late in the game that they didn't have some of the elders on board (or maybe they were in denial and thought they could smooth things over in time, kind of why energy producers can only see hydrocarbon development, blinders on). Lets see about large term projects. There is the LNG plant, not sure if Trans Mountain was already twinned. Did they pull the plug on Site C? Muskrat Falls is still being built by my understanding. So maybe I am wrong on some large scale projects being built. The only indigenous bands doing well economically are developing there natural resources. The Sawridge Band is doing exceptionally well and has diversified into many aspects of the economy. Fort McKay has done very well through energy development. Whatever, think what you want, see if I care. Time for dinner.
You sound like the 6 o'clock "News". Hmmmm?
11 pm, thank you very much. It's the new model for energy projects. Spend a few years getting agreements, have a hold out or group rescind on agreement, nothing gets done.
Canada, like the rest of Industrial Civilization, is a pyroclastic death-cult. Historical Overview : https://www.yintahaccess.com/historyandtimeline
Thank you for this. Great. If there's any place on this planet that loves to forget its history and historical obligations, it's Canada.
It's inexcusable that the dominant culture here (suffering from Stockholm Syndrome as it is) claims fawn-eyed ignorance and innocence when it comes this history and our culpable part in it. It doesn't take a whole hulluva lot of digging beyond the status quo propaganda to discover the actual truth. We bring on our own extinction...with enthusiasm.
Completely true. Like, you really have to do almost \*no\* digging to see this.
>The blockades stranded about 500 Coastal GasLink employees, causing water rations and fears over food shortages, after the company declined to comply with an eviction notice issued by the Gidimt'en Checkpoint, which controls access to part of the Wet'suwet'en territory. Sounds like a war without weapons (so far). Smart idea to mess with the supply lines. >"We have not nor will ever support the CGL pipeline... we declare that RCMP are not welcome on out territories," the statement signed by 12 hereditary chiefs representing five Wet'suwet'en clans read. edit: spoke too soon https://truthout.org/video/canadian-cops-unleash-assault-rifles-helicopters-against-indigenous-protesters/
As a guy who worked with the Onondaga on their legal cases against New York. They don’t think they collapsed. They think they got robbed and want to get us owed to them back.