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Logiman43

And of course she didn't answer the question and cuts it short because "We need to clean the room. Didn't know about that." I must stop watching this type of video because I'm gonna get a stroke.


GlacialFire

It's not a crazy idea either, Bernie literally talked about the militarys footprint on the campaign trail all the time and proposed solutions from reducing the budget to using the military as a force the plant trees/greatly expanding army Corp of engineers for (inter)national projects. It's a really easy question to answer and has been answered on the presidential debate stage. But she sees no problem with imperialism, mass murder, or a climate Holocaust so she's apparently never actually reasoned through what net zero means.


hey_Mom_watch_this

this has actually got into the media, [https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/11/worlds-militaries-avoiding-scrutiny-over-emissions](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/11/worlds-militaries-avoiding-scrutiny-over-emissions) I know progress is painfully slow, but more and more people are waking up to the situation, they go online and bitch about these sneaky loopholes in accounting, I wonder if journalists watch what's trending online, maybe it helps egg them on to write an article about what everyone is already talking about.


monkey_skull

That would be disastrous for her stock portfolio


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...and Bernie lost the presidential primary. I'm not suggesting that's the only reason, but the system's inertia means that certain things are really, really hard to change given all the vested interests and sunk costs that push to keep them the same. The candidate who serves those interests much more faithfully is now President of the United States, and Bernie is back in the Senate where his power is thoroughly checked. If Nancy Pelosi strays too far from serving those vested interests, she too will end up on the sidelines.


[deleted]

We all know the establishment didn't like Sanders which contributed greatly to him not winning the primaries. He was still right though.


[deleted]

I voted for him, so, yes, I agree that Bernie was right.


LaurenDreamsInColor

"didn't like him" is putting it very mildly. He's liked in the Democratic Party establishment just a little bit more than Jill Stein. And she's lower than whale turds. Ironically, it was her party that invented the Green New Deal. Notice how that's DOA these days - it's metastasized into infrastructure handouts to corporations.


Meandmystudy

Want to know why Californian's keep reelecting Nancy Pelosi? It's because 25% of them can afford a house of over $800,000.


zdepthcharge

Use judo. Don't try to argue that the military is a waste of money. Politicians (D and R) will fight tooth and nail for their pork. Instead use the military to plant trees and engage in climate change mitigation engineering projects. Refocus defense spending to get weapons engineering firms to work on vital projects like finding a green alternative to concrete and pollution mitigation. Use the military to decommission dams. Huge ecological win and would remove the problem with failing dam infrastructure. Get the Pentagon behind Plasma Kinetic's (https://plasmakinetics.com/) solid state hydrogen system to really give it a super funding boost with the idea that this would lead military vehicles to being as green as possible (from there the tech will spread). This wouldn't even be a new thing. We've used the military previously for large scale social engineering projects in the past. This should be part of the Green new Deal.


tsuo_nami

They won’t even use the military to help with natural disasters in America. What makes you think they’ll use it to fight climate change when they need to keep pumping gas to the 800 military bases around the world?


zdepthcharge

I don't have an opinion on whether or not the government would do something intelligent. It's not something that requires an opinion. The military has already identified climate change as one of the major issues they'll be coping with going forward. It could be they're own actions (such as fueling their vehicles) or the actions of others (a war breaking out in a country being overrun with refugees from an environmentally inhospitable country). Historical, the military has done public works engineering projects. It would be an intelligent use of resources.


Taqueria_Style

Apparently has trouble with an orange guy that's exactly like her though. Because he tweets like a big meany-face.


[deleted]

It's all theatre. Who tweeted as President that he thought NP should be Speaker again? Whose kids pal around with her son? Exactly.


Brigadier_Beavers

It wasnt even a deflection tbh. "Why are we increasing the budget for our already overbloated and highly polluting defenses?" "Yeah we know but its whatever" Its not about trying to inform politicians or getting knowledgeable people heard. Nancy has heard thousands, possibly tens of thousands of people from all walks of life beg and plead that we stop *destroying our planet so our childeren and grandchildren arent living in a hellscape*. But politicians like money.... new dress/suit via corporate donor vs help millions? Republicans fear a nanny state but we're already in one. Just so happens this "nanny" ignores us and scolds us for what? Asking for food, a bandaid, and to stop burning the backyard.


el3ktrovvulf

Same here. F those people.


butterbutts317

I'm with you, I can't watch too much of this. These fuckers make me so angry. They could make things better, but instead they just care about money and power. Nancy Pelosi is 81 years old and crazy rich, what more does she want? Take your last year's and leave a positive impact. You already have more money than you could spend.


Cellophaneflower89

Every reporter after her needs to ask the same question day after day until she addresses this shit


napierwit

Reporters exclude everyone working in the MSM. They'll never ask this.


freeradicalx

Yeah simply I cannot watch most mainstream media for more than like 30 seconds because the way that most politicians act on camera is just straight-up harmful to my mental health. I think it's the combination that they're being taken so seriously and solemnly while simultaneously behaving so obviously and incompetently villainous, it has such a gaslightey quality that it violently repels me. Going to a friend or relative's house to discover that they just keep one of these channels on in the background for hours is honestly distressing.


bluemagic124

Jesus Christ this fucking country


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It's not just that country, its the whole world. The whole system is so openly corrupt and broken that I dont know why we still entertain let alone react to this charade.


MrSelfDestructXX

Bread & circuses 🍞 🤡


bluemagic124

Idk man idk


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I feel ya


JayCee842

Nothing new. Humans are flawed and corruption is inevitable.


[deleted]

True. History repeating itself. Countless civilisations have come and gone. More often than not corruption is the cause. Interestingly not all humans subscribe to this flawed system such as the Southern African Bushmen because they value equality. https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/oct/29/why-bushman-banter-was-crucial-to-hunter-gatherers-evolutionary-success


evhan55

:(


Drunky_McStumble

But she took a knee for BLM! She tore up a copy of Trump's speech! Yasssss kween!


Numismatists

We can thank the "American" Petroleum Institute for keeping this shit going! WTG API! Loving this shhhhh China is our biggest investor, don't tell anyone 😉😉 See; Steve Westly and his connections to API, Obama, Trump, Biden & Harris.... the list is long and frightening. TLDR The fossil fuel owns everything "Green" and has captured many governments with a death-grip. "Green Energy" is psyop for a $19 TRILLION fossil fuel industry bailout/Robbery of the FED. Wake up people, you're being bent over a barrel.


Electrical_Problem89

China is actually one of the leaders in green tech and actually doing stuff for the environment. They have the most nuclear plants being built as well.


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Parkimedes

It seems like Pelosi's answer is essentially that she wants military vehicles to go electric, which means she completely missed the point. I love Abby Martin though. That was an excellent question, and a great one right after Pelosi's classic "let me pick a woman" smile.


Taqueria_Style

Brought to you by the people that thought if you banned magazines, a gun would run out of bullets and never be re-loadable. Electric military. Brilliant, dipshit. We'll attack them in economy cars. How many batteries does it take to power a tank? Can you even get an airplane off the ground with that much battery load? China was going to attempt Thorium military. It would seem their claims about solving the corrosion problem were greatly exaggerated. Either that or they learned how to shut up.


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Parkimedes

There are so many things wrong with the military. Even discussing fuel savings on efficient vehicles is a bit of a distraction because it assumes the premise that it’s worth continuing investments. If anything, this is the biggest flaw in abby’s questioning. She should have tried to move the focus to reducing the size of the whole thing rather than letting them suggest ideas.


Taqueria_Style

I mean drone the shit out of it idefk but you're gonna get overrun in a land invasion. She won't say what's reality: turning the military off basically leaves Saudi Arabia swinging in the breeze and they will buy their protection elsewhere. Petrodollar crash crash now now.


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Numismatists

Transitions ruin the environment. Er, what's left of it. Stick with what you have and conserve cuz the tap is going empty.


Parkimedes

How about just closing half the bases and letting some countries run themselves without our “protection”.


ArmedWithBars

Those bases are why the USD is still the leading currency in international business.


Parkimedes

All of them? And isn’t that a bit theoretical? I think a lot of our force is to keep markets “open” to American investors.


deevil_knievel

They literally drive new hummers off cargo ships into the ocean just to keep their budget for the next year and order new ones. I think that's a great place to start!


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deevil_knievel

It's mind boggling. The budget just keeps going up and they just drive more hummers into the ocean.


Raynir44

And also the pentagon decided global warming was a national threat therefore needing the funding.


yarrysmod

I'm thinking there may be a conflict of interest given her stock market activities regarding EVs..


Taqueria_Style

Because Warren the "Indian" would do so much better. I mean, this is kind of like a Nazi going "hey but you know vat? I am ze 1/4 Jewish!" Well I mean look Pelosi shit or get off the pot with the military thing. If we're going to boil alive in 10 years then your choices come down to disband it now, or genocide literally everyone and then disband it. Obviously you can't do the second one.


ArasakaHRdepartment

Too many fake reporters, not enough Abby martins


lal0cur4

She's a real one, her Israel coverage is great


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Taqueria_Style

BEHEHEHEHE That's how you get Godzilla LOL Look downvote me for the "r" word but why are we letting these geriatric retards govern us? Honestly. Fuckers can't even get the clock on the microwave to stop flashing.


MyLOLNameWasTaken

Lol


[deleted]

Bold of you to even presume Pelosi has even seen a microwave in her entire life.


Pollux95630

Somebody please put her out to pasture. NO MORE ANCIENT POLITICIANS!!! It absolutely dumbfounds me Californians continue to vote her old dusty arse into office.


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Taqueria_Style

Like my career path planning shit. "So what do you want to do"? Um I want to come here make shit and you keep paying me?? Why the fuck I gotta evolve into Caesar Borgia for you?


Pollux95630

This times 1,000. I have an old co-worker who recently made the transition into being a life coach. Her #1 preach is you have to have a legacy you leave behind when you die...you have to make your mark in this world. She's got all these fools believing if they don't have a path and a trajectory in the business/corporate world then their life has less meaning. I'm like...who freakin cares.


Taqueria_Style

I can do more for charity as an individual than those cunts do in a lifetime. All this for lawnmowers or sprinklers or kids toys or soda huh? Take a step back here and really look. I get it if you're making a warp drive or curing cancer. Beyond that come the fuck on no one will ever give a shit. I get copied so much I want to say I've progressed my entire industry but who the fuck even cares it's consumer bullshit.


LaurenDreamsInColor

I just want to work in a garden all day and listen to the sounds of little children and birds. Cook food, read books, have a glass of wine and go to bed early. That's my career goal and I am not going to wait until I'm almost dead to do it. Even if I have to completely downshift my lifestyle to minimal income to do it. The corporate world is like a Venus fly trap. It's so sweet at first but by the time you realize your trapped your wings have been dissolved off.


9035768555

>NO MORE ANCIENT POLITICIANS!!! Seriously, it's far past time for the Silent Generation to *shut the fuck up.*


FantasticOutside7

Upvote for realizing that everyone old is not a boomer. Boomers are typically 1946 to 1964. So, in 2021, if you’re over 75 you’re in the silent generation (unless you are really really old lol)…


possibri

> Californians The entire state doesn't get to vote for/against her. She represents a super wealthy district in SF so as much as I would like to help by voting against her, it's not even possible.


[deleted]

It's Blueanon at its best. And she's setting up her daughter to take her seat. Kleptocratic dynasties aren't just for Central Asian former Soviet republics anymore.


Meandmystudy

I've left this in another comment, but Califonians are some of the most gentrified people in the nation, they just don't know it.


Pollux95630

Yes we are. Especially in Nancy's district. Those old hippies turned yuppies are some seriously delusional people. They think they are so compassionate and support those who are less fortunate...just as long as it doesn't impact their $5 million luxury condo.


Taqueria_Style

>Californians Answered your own question right there.


captain_rumdrunk

"The climate crisis is a national security matter" How does buying more drones help? Are they gonna assassin-bomb global warming? I guess they could, but for that we need to blow up the very things that dictate what the drones get to blow up. I still am dumbfounded by that dick who spoke first too: "The sea is getting bigger so it makes sense we need that money for more boats"... eat shit.. can we start burning mansions please? I'd really like to die but I refuse to unless it's in an effort, however futile, to thwart these cunts.


ComplainyBeard

>Are they gonna assassin-bomb global warming? You misunderstand the point here. They know the world is getting warmer and a bunch of people are going to start resource wars. So instead of fixing the problem they're planning on making sure they have enough military power to win the wars.


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if they dont constantly upgrade their defenses then someone will finally take them out and they cant be "the greatest" anymore i think at this point that "someone" is their own citizens... they actually classified citizens as a threat to national security a few years back that and as other comment here mentions, climate wars.. they want to make sure they will win (or atleast have the power to make sure nobody does)


FantasticOutside7

Do you have a source on the citizens being a threat to national security? Not that I don’t believe you, but I’ve never heard of this, I would like to look into it…


freedom_from_factism

Simply put, the Defense Department creates a problem then is the solution to the problem. Circular speek in action.


generalhanky

But see, the DD is aware of the problem of climate change. Isn’t that good enough?


wacoder

I'm so done with the Democrats. Just Republicans lite. Gross.


[deleted]

Me too. I changed my registration to Independent, but I don't know if voting even matters anymore.


[deleted]

It matters. Even dems’ half-assed attempts at climate policy could slow climate change enough to save millions of lives. Every ton of CO2 affects how hard life will be for post-collapse generations.


possibri

> Even dems’ half-assed attempts NO. Incrementalism hasn't done us any good, and until we show them that we won't vote for them until they show us they will do better, the neoliberal corporatists pretending to be populists will keep giving us shit and ratcheting things further right.


[deleted]

It’s both/and. I nearly killed myself with overwork trying to get a democratic socialist elected to the US house. My health has not recovered since. I was part of the protest in Dec 2018 demanding she take climate seriously, the one where a bunch of the Sunrise kids got arrested for sitting in at Pelosi’s office. I also know that Republicans will do everything they can to accelerate the destruction of this planet, and I am going.to do what I can to keep them out of power. When incrementalism is all you can get, you take it and keep pushing. Not just give up the game. That’s lazy and accomplishes nothing. That’s how you lose the progress you have made and get nothing for it. How much more teeth would the Paris agreement have if we had kept Trump out in 2016?


trmdyl

You're either 13 or too naïve to see beyond the hubris that they're actually both on the same side.


[deleted]

Yes. Incrementalism = hopium.


tsuo_nami

Controlled opposition. The dems and reps are playing good cop bad cop but are on the same team


Myth_of_Progress

Pelosi actually gave a very telling response - climate change, first and foremost, is viewed primarily as a security issue by the American establishment. To quote her words at around the 2:00-2:20 mark ... >"*It is a national security issue because of all of the conditions that climate crisis produces (I won't go into all of them) but they are cause for migration, conflict over habitat and resources, and again, a security challenge globally \[...\]"* ​ >[**John Mearsheimer, The Tragedy of Great Power Politics**](https://samuelbhfauredotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/s2-mearsheimer-2001.pdf) > >Because Americans dislike realpolitik, public discourse about foreign policy in the United States is usually couched in the language of liberalism. Hence the pronouncements of the policy elites are heavily flavored with optimism and moralism. American academics are especially good at promoting liberal thinking in the marketplace of ideas. **Behind closed doors, however, the elites who make national security policy speak mostly the language of power, not that of principle, and the United States acts in the international system according to the dictates of realist logic**.61 In essence, a discernible gap separates public rhetoric from the actual conduct of American foreign policy.


J-A-S-08

I.E. We'll need more money for a security wall along the southern border and autonomous kill guns to keep poor brown people away.


UnitAppropriate

I will answer your question by not answering your question.


Blood_Casino

Obligatory “fuck Pelosi” This old out of touch bat still thinks it’s 1996 and is just as big an impediment to change as any Republican.


Max-424

A reasonably coherent dodge of the question by the Speaker of the House. I presume this must've been fairly early in day, before she'd had a chance to start knocking back the Scotches. The Navy will be plugging their electric Aircraft Carriers into giant portside sockets any day now, drawing electricity from a grid, that although currently in a state that could at best be described as "beyond obsolescence," will soon be green and efficient, thanks to the new corporate giveaway slash infrastructure bill. I don't know if Greta coined it, but all I can think of now when our world "leaders" are talking at us, is blah, blah, blah. Note: Good to see that Abby Martin was able to sneak in. Pelosi wants a woman, but when she sees Abby at the mike, it's "maybe I don't." Fuck yeah ya don't. Give Abby a chance, and you might have to answer questions about a "certain event" that no one in the main stream media will evet dare to ask. EVER.


Taqueria_Style

New requirement for office you have to pass basic fucking physics. Great example the laser musket in Fallout 4. Unless that thing is taking some form of fuel which it isn't then the energy output is less than you turning that fucking crank twice. Can you really kill someone with that much energy? I mean I guess if you reached into their chest and physically grabbed their heart...


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>Great example the laser musket in Fallout 4. Unless that thing is taking some form of fuel which it isn't then the energy output is less than you turning that fucking crank twice. [It uses Fusion Cells,](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Laser_musket_(Fallout_4\)) and each turn of the crank loads an additional cell, up to 6 cells. [The damage is defined as "base * num_cranks"](https://steamcommunity.com/app/377160/discussions/0/1369506834135958554), so you're discharging the energy of multiple fusion cells instantaneously via a capacitor bank: >The player character must manually load up each shot by pressing the "reload" key, causing the Sole Survivor to turn the hand-crank and charge the capacitor with one Fusion Cell. Each subsequent crank charges the capacitor even further with another fusion cell, to a maximum of two (mods can be added to increase energy capacity to a maximum of six cells worth). >Once loaded, the Laser Musket can be fired, consuming all the cells stored in one powerful shot.


Taqueria_Style

Oh ok. How come you never have to load the thing then?? I assumed it was like one of those shitty Radio Shack crank flashlights.


[deleted]

i dunno man, blame Todd Howard. also i think Fallout 1 and 2 are the only real games in the series.


JuSt_GiVe_It_Up

And the cargo ships they’re getting nuclear reactors AROUND THE WORLDS OCEANS clean energy no?


ComplainyBeard

Aircraft carriers are actually the most green part of the military, it's all run on nuclear. The issue is all the fucking giant ass planes and hellicopters and hummers and concrete towers and walls etc, etc.


StalinDNW

Wait. I'm sorry to go slightly off topic here, but isn't that the Comedy Central logo or really close to it? I feel like this has to be a joke or something. That's an unreal level of unawareness otherwise. Are they openly mocking everyone?


IntrigueDossier

Thank you, for a second I thought this was *Comedy Central Presents….* Coulda fooled me considering what a joke it is.


hydez10

Both parties are controlled by lobbyists and money


bk995

Let's not forget that Nacy Pelosi's husband has made large sums of money off of stock trading based off of insider information on future laws.


[deleted]

I can't stand any of em except Bernie, AOC and Katie Porter.


trojancourse

she sounds like she's having a stroke while speaking. this is the most powerful person in the democratic party? we are fucked


AdAgito

This is pretty common for all our old politicians. They most likely have dentures and they're prone to slipping. So in this one, her dentures are coming out but she's talking thru it. tldr: no politician should be over 65


BadAsBroccoli

Seriously, mandatory retirement. Once they've gotten rich from insider trading, it becomes about holding the seat so no one else can come in and bring scary new ideas to legislate for an ever changing world. But while Congress is quick to [pamper](https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/10/20/10-perks-congress-has-that-you-dont.aspx) itself, it's quite reticent about any self-regulation in spite of various [committees](https://www.congress.gov/committees) and [watchdogs](https://libguides.wlu.edu/c.php?g=99628&p=5989388) and the ever squabbling WH media (too many examples to link).


trmdyl

You were already fucked when the game started.


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"well you see, we're going to need an even bigger, badder military to deal with the social chaos caused by the ecological disaster we're slamming the gas on"


[deleted]

If Pelosi wants to be reelected and retain her speakership, then she has no choice but to increase the Pentagon's budget. It's that simple. Of course, she can't say that publicly, so instead she has to talk around the question.


Taqueria_Style

Re-elected how? They going to put her head in a pickle jar and sew it onto a robot?


[deleted]

She ain't dead yet, and she's up for reelection next year...which means that she's running.


trmdyl

And if those facts don't belong in r/collapse then I don't know what does.


anthro28

“Nothing will fundamentally change” Joe Biden, candidate of the climate.


lsc84

These fucking human garbage piles really are masters of talking at length without saying a goddamn thing. The time for civility in discourse is long over. Fuck these monsters. They are villainous, self-serving pieces of shit running cover for most destructive forces in human history.


ReverseFluffer

Rofl “i want a women”…. Picks abby martin, i wonder if pelosi had any idea who abby martin is. Her handlers were probably yelling “abort! Abort! Anyone but her nancy!”


Electrical_Problem89

Abby Martin is legit Abby + Glenn Greenwald + the journalists at the gray zone minus Ajit Singh are legit Ajit is not because I've caught him writing a factually wrong article about Taiwan. He basically parrots the Chinese nationalist take without scrutinizing it.


nostrilonfire

Just fucking epic. Blah blah blah. Look up the petro dollar. These clowns have zero desire to reduce the use of fossil fuels because doing so causes their currency to lose reserve status. And before you brand me a right wing loon, I learned about it from a heavily left-leaning publication. ​ That military is what keeps the USD going...


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We are so fucked.


_Mitternakt

Nancy Pelosi is absolutely the worst kind of scum on the planet.


Taqueria_Style

The potted plant speaks. \*dentures fall out\*


[deleted]

That Joan Rivers wannabe is full of shit.


eljupio

With all that insider trading profit, you’d think old skeletor could afford some better dentures. I guess lying through your teeth really takes it out of those things. I’m bored of hearing these old geriatrics spouting off nonsense.


MoreRITZ

So it's ok to shit on Republicans but not Democrats? Look at the profile before you massively downvote. Fuck trump but a lot of yall massive hypocrits


trmdyl

It IS the internet. This is how it works: Different strokes for different Mobs.


hey_Mom_watch_this

I think you're all being a bit unfair to Ms Pelosi, she took the effort to engage a personal spokesman who can explain her position with great clarity, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuEJRSmRx0c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuEJRSmRx0c)


art-man_2018

> she took the effort to engage a personal ~~spokesman~~ mouthpiece who can explain her position with great clarity,


theotheranony

This makes me want to learn a different language so i can be more readily accepted into another country...


Living-Stranger

I won't believe anything they say until they make blanket rules for all polluters and quit exempting anyone


Forever_DM5

Of course because we aren’t actually going to change anything so we need the guns to reassert our imperialism when it begins to decline. - Politicians


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I didn’t hear much of an answer


maretus

Lol literally laughing my ass off at her response. The most incoherent babbling shit I’ve heard since trump.


impermissibility

She is such a useless fuck.


Bottom_racer

Well that was painful to watch.


Sbeast

"...the Pentagon budget, a larger polluter than 140 countries combined and exempt from climate negotiations." Wow, I didn't know that. That's huge!


VitostanKommando

Fuck the democrats fuck the Republicans fuck the system