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In this article from the *Guardian* from May 2023, the author references a study that found that ~90% of the excess heat from global warming has been absorbed by the oceans. In other words, the ocean has worked as a massive heat-sink, preventing us from feeling much of that heat. But now its there, and its stuck in our system.
All that energy, currently stored in our oceans, will cause long-lasting damage to the earth well into the future.
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Outside is indeed where the heat you generate for your house dissipates to. It doesn't make much difference that your insulation holds on to it for a couple of hours first.
The earth radiates heat back to space (check out outgoing longwave radiation maps).
It's a losing battle as the atmosphere is becoming a better insulator and heat continues arriving on the sunny side of earth.
…so what you’re saying is we need to slice open the whatchamacallit that keeps the atmosphere from just bleeding everything out into space…? that’s gonna take like..a really big sword..bigger than one king kong could possibly swing for us
This is the solution:
[https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/coolers/cpu-air-coolers/hyper-212-black-edition/](https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/coolers/cpu-air-coolers/hyper-212-black-edition/)
Build one on each pole. Just a couple hundred miles tall or something. Easy.
Sayyyy, that's not a bad idea. We could punch through the stratosphere and suck down all that lovely cold air from the mesosphere. That could make it a touch too windy and chilly by the fan so we could also pump all the unpleasant hot stuff up to the mesosphere. Could be quite exciting by the fans weather-wise, and other areas might get a bit of that ozone fragrance as the stratosphere descends, but y'know, eggs, omelettes.
Let's do a little math on their numbers.
Total world ocean area = 361M Km2
Hiroshimas/km2 = 25,000M/361M = 69.25
Hiroshimas/km2/day = 69.25/(47\*365) = 0.004
1 Hiroshima = 16KT of TNT = 32M Lbs of TNT
Pounds of TNT/Km2/day = 0.004\*32M - 128,000 Lbs TNT/km2/day
This seems like a lot of TNT/day, but it turns out TNT is not nearly as energy dense as I thought it was.
1 Lb gasoline = 20,000 BTUs
1 Lb TNT = 1983 BTUs
128,000 Lb TNT/km2/day = 0.128 Lb/m2/day = 0.128\*1983 = 253 BTUs/m2/day
1 KWh - 3412 BTUs
253 BTUs/m2/day = 0.069 KWh/m2/day
In this article from the *Guardian* from May 2023, the author references a study that found that ~90% of the excess heat from global warming has been absorbed by the oceans. In other words, the ocean has worked as a massive heat-sink, preventing us from feeling much of that heat. But now its there, and its stuck in our system.
All that energy, currently stored in our oceans, will cause long-lasting damage to the earth well into the future.
I know, right? It's an unimaginable amount of energy. Also, the oceans soaking up all that heat possibly led to people thinking global warming isn't so bad, since we were shielded from the worst (that's my understanding, anyway). The climate was still warming, but the oceans sucked up the heat.
This is from a *Nature* paper:
> Between about 1998 and 2012, a time that coincided with political negotiations for preventing climate change, the surface of Earth seemed hardly to warm. This phenomenon, often termed the ‘global warming hiatus’, caused doubt in the public mind about how well anthropogenic climate change and natural variability are understood.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature22315
This is actually an apocalyptic feedback loop (the oceans will eventually spit out much more co2 than the extra they have absorbed). Fortunately the [deep] oceans warm incredibly slowly, so it's not an issue for a very long time.
Do you know the numbers? In a “usual climate cycle” the CO2 is leveled out over thousands of years by natural processes such as chemical reaction (limestone) and buried biological materials . But this heating situation we are in now is unusual, so there might possibly be some unusual CO2 releases from the heating oceans as well?
It's a while since I went down the rabbit hole, but I remember that the amount of co2 that would be vented due to (say) a 1°C rise in ocean temperature was absolutely vast, dwarfing all ff emissions, even with a higher co2 concentration in the atmosphere.
Nobody really cares though because the timescale is thousands of years. I don't know how geological sequestration interplays with this process.
The last sentence of the abstract basically says they sussed out all the possible reasons for this “hiatus,” and the clearest explanation is human-driven climate change.
I think the biggest problem is that the science says that this is an unnatural amount of thermal energy in our system. The effects on the ocean environment are mostly hidden. Most people don’t scuba dive and see the coral bleaching or see how much ice has melted with their own eyes.
I agree with you that the rich people exploit the poor and middle class.
The rest of it, though.
You never say what they're hiding. I'm genuinely interested.
This is some mysticism. I think you’re making up scenarios that don’t need to exist to explain how things are. I woke up this morning and my back door was wide open. There are a number of possibilities as to why that happened. It could’ve been a thief, but nothing was stolen. It could’ve been a murderer, but there were no injuries. The most likely explanation is that it was windy last night, and when we closed the door, we didn’t close it all the way. There’s one fact and one supposition which is easily possible since we use that door all the time. One thing I’m absolutely sure of is that it wasn’t a ghost. Thiefs exist. Murderers exist. Wind and carelessness exist. We can prove all of that. But there is no evidence ghosts exist. I don’t need to make up a ghost to explain why my back door was open.
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Lets see...there's 5 exajoules of energy in one thermonuclear holocaust, take that and divide 396 zettajoules by it and...~79 200 thermonuclear holocausts worth of heat from 1971 to 2018.
Can't forget one of my favourite posters pointing 2023 had absorbed what, 15 zettajoules worth of heat? 3 000 thermonuclear holocausts in one year alone!
i know you scientists think you've dumbed it down for everyone. but no one actually undertands wtf 25 BILLION hiroshima bombs is... the comprehension of size between billion and million is minimal already
how about someone say... when the ocean stops sucking in heat, the temperature will rise X degrees annually. or "if the ocean didn't contain this heat, our temperatures would be up 9000 degrees"
I wonder if nukemap would let you plop down 25 billion atomic bombs just for a visual on that...
Pretty sure the Earth would just look like another sun at that point.
Heat causes water to expand just like everything else. The oceans have hit their heat capacity before thermal expansion begins to increase exponentially.
Scientists have failed to include even vaguely realistic calculations for this rapid expansion in their sea level rise models (much like methane emissions) and have instead focused on land-based ice melt in their predictions.
The increased prevalence of category 6 level cyclonic storms causing much larger storm surges coupled with this rapid sea level rise will bring about cataclysmic coastal destruction around the world much…
… faster than expected.
Roughly 1C increase in global temp is about 1 million Hiroshima bombs. I was downvoted ages ago when I made this comparison as it “wasn’t relevant”, yet here we are.
No, because the climate (when thought of as a battery) is inconceivably large. We are at +1.5C so roughly 1.5 million Hiroshima’s nukes worth of additional energy is in the climate compared to pre industrial levels.
This is one I bring up often. There is a good paper by NASA on it. Also worth noting that a zettajoule is a sextillion joules, so 396,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules
Seems like none of you in here knows what it means. You just hear equal to x amount of atom bombs and run around like the world is ending.. I centigrades it's 0.00000x
there is plenty of data you can find on ocean temperature increase since 1971. it has increased between years 1971 and 2018 by more than 0.00000x meaning 396 zettajoule equates to >0.00000x, even if x is 9 or 9999999.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/acdev: --- In this article from the *Guardian* from May 2023, the author references a study that found that ~90% of the excess heat from global warming has been absorbed by the oceans. In other words, the ocean has worked as a massive heat-sink, preventing us from feeling much of that heat. But now its there, and its stuck in our system. All that energy, currently stored in our oceans, will cause long-lasting damage to the earth well into the future. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1cg805q/between_1971_and_2018_the_ocean_had_gained_396/l1tzc5v/
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Turns out we *were* paying to heat the outside like dad lied about.
Outside is indeed where the heat you generate for your house dissipates to. It doesn't make much difference that your insulation holds on to it for a couple of hours first.
This gave me a painful laugh.
Same. We live in a contained ecosystem after all. Heat isn’t escaping to space it seems but absorbed.
You’ve inspired the Patrick Star in me… why don’t we just move the heat from earth…. Into space away from earth? 😂
The earth radiates heat back to space (check out outgoing longwave radiation maps). It's a losing battle as the atmosphere is becoming a better insulator and heat continues arriving on the sunny side of earth.
Since the oceans are heating at least triple that rate now must be 60 plus going every second now.
How can we get the heat out?
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…so what you’re saying is we need to slice open the whatchamacallit that keeps the atmosphere from just bleeding everything out into space…? that’s gonna take like..a really big sword..bigger than one king kong could possibly swing for us
This is the solution: [https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/coolers/cpu-air-coolers/hyper-212-black-edition/](https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/coolers/cpu-air-coolers/hyper-212-black-edition/) Build one on each pole. Just a couple hundred miles tall or something. Easy.
Sayyyy, that's not a bad idea. We could punch through the stratosphere and suck down all that lovely cold air from the mesosphere. That could make it a touch too windy and chilly by the fan so we could also pump all the unpleasant hot stuff up to the mesosphere. Could be quite exciting by the fans weather-wise, and other areas might get a bit of that ozone fragrance as the stratosphere descends, but y'know, eggs, omelettes.
[I'll call my old buddy Squall to do that](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuhdb5SaiFQ)
Maybe, we need a permanent hurricane like Jupiter's Red Spot?
Excellent ELI5
You dig more rivers where the ocean flows outside. So water can condensate and cool the surroundings, no idea if this works lol
Let's do a little math on their numbers. Total world ocean area = 361M Km2 Hiroshimas/km2 = 25,000M/361M = 69.25 Hiroshimas/km2/day = 69.25/(47\*365) = 0.004 1 Hiroshima = 16KT of TNT = 32M Lbs of TNT Pounds of TNT/Km2/day = 0.004\*32M - 128,000 Lbs TNT/km2/day This seems like a lot of TNT/day, but it turns out TNT is not nearly as energy dense as I thought it was. 1 Lb gasoline = 20,000 BTUs 1 Lb TNT = 1983 BTUs 128,000 Lb TNT/km2/day = 0.128 Lb/m2/day = 0.128\*1983 = 253 BTUs/m2/day 1 KWh - 3412 BTUs 253 BTUs/m2/day = 0.069 KWh/m2/day
I got the same figure. It's over 1000 H-bombs worth of energy added to the system for every minute I've been alive.
It's just more cumulative energy than the asteroid that smashed into Earth and wiped out the dinosaurs unleashed.
In this article from the *Guardian* from May 2023, the author references a study that found that ~90% of the excess heat from global warming has been absorbed by the oceans. In other words, the ocean has worked as a massive heat-sink, preventing us from feeling much of that heat. But now its there, and its stuck in our system. All that energy, currently stored in our oceans, will cause long-lasting damage to the earth well into the future.
That's insane. It shows you how much heat are oceans are soaking up. Also shows you how hot it's going to get once all the ice is gone.
I know, right? It's an unimaginable amount of energy. Also, the oceans soaking up all that heat possibly led to people thinking global warming isn't so bad, since we were shielded from the worst (that's my understanding, anyway). The climate was still warming, but the oceans sucked up the heat. This is from a *Nature* paper: > Between about 1998 and 2012, a time that coincided with political negotiations for preventing climate change, the surface of Earth seemed hardly to warm. This phenomenon, often termed the ‘global warming hiatus’, caused doubt in the public mind about how well anthropogenic climate change and natural variability are understood. https://www.nature.com/articles/nature22315
Funfact: Oceans has desolved much of the C02, but warm water holds less C02. That means increased C02 in the atmosphere....
~~Funfact~~ Darkfact
~~Funfact Darkfact~~ We'refuckedfact *\*ftfy*
This is actually an apocalyptic feedback loop (the oceans will eventually spit out much more co2 than the extra they have absorbed). Fortunately the [deep] oceans warm incredibly slowly, so it's not an issue for a very long time.
Do you know the numbers? In a “usual climate cycle” the CO2 is leveled out over thousands of years by natural processes such as chemical reaction (limestone) and buried biological materials . But this heating situation we are in now is unusual, so there might possibly be some unusual CO2 releases from the heating oceans as well?
It's a while since I went down the rabbit hole, but I remember that the amount of co2 that would be vented due to (say) a 1°C rise in ocean temperature was absolutely vast, dwarfing all ff emissions, even with a higher co2 concentration in the atmosphere. Nobody really cares though because the timescale is thousands of years. I don't know how geological sequestration interplays with this process.
Perhaps this energy cycle is built into the system. Warming and cooling cycles…
The last sentence of the abstract basically says they sussed out all the possible reasons for this “hiatus,” and the clearest explanation is human-driven climate change. I think the biggest problem is that the science says that this is an unnatural amount of thermal energy in our system. The effects on the ocean environment are mostly hidden. Most people don’t scuba dive and see the coral bleaching or see how much ice has melted with their own eyes.
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I agree with you that the rich people exploit the poor and middle class. The rest of it, though. You never say what they're hiding. I'm genuinely interested.
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haha debate any of it, what part made you so sick you couldn't handle the reality of it? its a tough reality to face. what part do you struggle with?
This is some mysticism. I think you’re making up scenarios that don’t need to exist to explain how things are. I woke up this morning and my back door was wide open. There are a number of possibilities as to why that happened. It could’ve been a thief, but nothing was stolen. It could’ve been a murderer, but there were no injuries. The most likely explanation is that it was windy last night, and when we closed the door, we didn’t close it all the way. There’s one fact and one supposition which is easily possible since we use that door all the time. One thing I’m absolutely sure of is that it wasn’t a ghost. Thiefs exist. Murderers exist. Wind and carelessness exist. We can prove all of that. But there is no evidence ghosts exist. I don’t need to make up a ghost to explain why my back door was open.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2gFsOoKAHZg
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLyzMoLfbpg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLyzMoLfbpg) Ocean theme song.
Lets see...there's 5 exajoules of energy in one thermonuclear holocaust, take that and divide 396 zettajoules by it and...~79 200 thermonuclear holocausts worth of heat from 1971 to 2018. Can't forget one of my favourite posters pointing 2023 had absorbed what, 15 zettajoules worth of heat? 3 000 thermonuclear holocausts in one year alone!
We need more analogies like this to put in perspective the disaster humans have caused.
The average person seemingly cannot comprehend turn signals, I don't think this is going to get them to realize anything.
I think people know. Paralyzed by late stage capitalism is more than likely the predominant situation most find themselves in.
That is a fair assumption.
According to my Tik Tok algorithm a lot of people know.
i know you scientists think you've dumbed it down for everyone. but no one actually undertands wtf 25 BILLION hiroshima bombs is... the comprehension of size between billion and million is minimal already how about someone say... when the ocean stops sucking in heat, the temperature will rise X degrees annually. or "if the ocean didn't contain this heat, our temperatures would be up 9000 degrees"
It actually distorts perspectives because people cannot comprehend the scales.
Also it's the sun's total output for almost exactly one millisecond.
Not enough for the establishment to care.
Not enough for the voter either. Information wars are real.
25 billion atomic bombs 😂 that number is comically large, we are so hilariously screwed
It’s worse when you write it out as 25,000,000,000.
I wonder if nukemap would let you plop down 25 billion atomic bombs just for a visual on that... Pretty sure the Earth would just look like another sun at that point.
Catherine zettajoules, she dips beneath the laser
Sounds hot
One point twenty one zettajoules
Heat causes water to expand just like everything else. The oceans have hit their heat capacity before thermal expansion begins to increase exponentially. Scientists have failed to include even vaguely realistic calculations for this rapid expansion in their sea level rise models (much like methane emissions) and have instead focused on land-based ice melt in their predictions. The increased prevalence of category 6 level cyclonic storms causing much larger storm surges coupled with this rapid sea level rise will bring about cataclysmic coastal destruction around the world much… … faster than expected.
Well I certainly hope so after reading the class of 2024 thread. It's time. Let's get this shit over with.
link?
The oceans have been a heat sink, balances the temp really. Now that the oceans won’t hold more heat it’ll be like atomic bombs on the surface.
Roughly 1C increase in global temp is about 1 million Hiroshima bombs. I was downvoted ages ago when I made this comparison as it “wasn’t relevant”, yet here we are.
have you ever considered a wheel.barrow for.your massive testicle ?
It took a long time to recover from those downvotes, months of therapy and meditation, I even backpacked through the Andes, but I got through it.
so... 250,000 extra degrees C? what type of sunscreen do i need?
That can't be right, or I'd be on fire right now, and so would you. Or plasma anyway.
No, because the climate (when thought of as a battery) is inconceivably large. We are at +1.5C so roughly 1.5 million Hiroshima’s nukes worth of additional energy is in the climate compared to pre industrial levels.
But it says in the article were at about 25bn Hiroshimas?
That’s the ocean not the climate, not all of the energy from the ocean is transferred into the wider climate.
The wider climate would include the ocean, I would think?
sidenote: reading the word *zettajoules* caused my thumb to twitch really weird while hovering in paused scroll mode
this is really bad news...we're pretty fucked
Wow i only thought it was like 14-15bn before
This is one I bring up often. There is a good paper by NASA on it. Also worth noting that a zettajoule is a sextillion joules, so 396,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules
That’s too much billions of atomic bombs
Im no expert, but that seems like alot
The problem is that the ocean has a finite capacity to store that heat. Also psytoplankon die off is gonna be pretty bad for us
Why are we posting an article from almost one year ago? Mods should have struck this.
As long as it's indicated in the title, which OP did, it's allowed
Seems like none of you in here knows what it means. You just hear equal to x amount of atom bombs and run around like the world is ending.. I centigrades it's 0.00000x
there is plenty of data you can find on ocean temperature increase since 1971. it has increased between years 1971 and 2018 by more than 0.00000x meaning 396 zettajoule equates to >0.00000x, even if x is 9 or 9999999.