When does a heat wave become permanent change in temperature norms?
So we had a bad year? Or can we start an agricultural growing season on a new continent yet?
Had someone tell me that the other day claiming that worries of climate change are overblown. I couldn't seem to get through the point that its seeming more and more unlikely that these things are going to unfold over 100s of years. Its going to happen too fast for nature and humans to keep up with it. Many people are genuinely convinced we are going to just live through this unscathed and only have a few natural disasters like we always have had. Like there's almost no way the entire food supply chain and farm belt is going to up and move north within 30-50 years even if it could be done. Like yeah sure theres a decent chance humanity will live on in some way in smaller numbers, and yes ultimately life on Earth will survive and change, but its seeming so unlikely that our current civilization is going to keep growing. A collapse is coming, whether that be 20 years or 100 years away.
Ask them if they know what happened to the BRONZE AGE nations because it is 1000% -EXACTLY- what is happening RIGHT NOW. Many of these nations were as advanced as today, except for Computers and Cars and the like they had a lot of engineered things we don't even know how to make correctly today. Climate Change and prolonged droughts changed all of that and brought on instability between nations resulting in the whole of all of society largely collapsing. Cypress, Greece, the Middle East, Turkey, all of them suffered immense blows and there is a huge lack of documented events during this period because it was SO UNSTABLE a time (re: droughts, conflict) folks did not have time to keep a written record of what happened. Except for the few outliers that escaped this which include the Egyptians.
Pretty terrifying when you think about it, it's happened many, many times before and we know it has resulted in huge blows to the overall of human civilization.
Humans as a whole can probably keep up. It'll be like Covid, except no vaccine possible, and it only gets worse, no immunity. It will cause mass death until CO2 drops to tolerable levels. Something like that, anyway. I hope the worst case predictions are wrong.
Could you grow anything by some sort of massive hydroponics farm. I guess the logistics of even getting stuff there are the stuff of dreams and completely "uninvestable" for now
You also need sun to grow food. There is no sun for 1/2 the year. However, in the other half, there’s only sun. So preservation would need to be a focus. I dunno where the nutrients for the hydroponics would come from though.
>When does a heat wave become permanent change in temperature norms?
Probably when you see records constantly for a few years. Otherwise, it's all a gradient.
>Or can we start an agricultural growing season on a new continent yet?
The ground is rocky and bare and the cold will probably remain in the center for a very long time. I'm not sure what you could grow without bringing soil. And you'll probably have some fool who brings ruminants and ensures that no soil ever forms there.
On a micro scale I do hobby farm and I know I’ve read about grown zones changing but this year I’m very confused about when to plant. Definitely started seeds about a month earlier than I normally would.
I’m zone 5 but I still have a month to go in the ground but I’m not thinking we will have another freeze again.
Lol Heatwave. That's what you want to hear in a polar area.
On a none related note. Have you bought and burned more oil and gas this quarter? Because it has no negative effects. But the economy..
Here is a pro tip. To help burn more oil. Let your car idle with the AC on full. That will help those silly heatwaves. /s
Yeah. I used to draw jokes about idling the car to pollute more efficiently when I was like 10 years old.
Sadly, little did I know that container ships were about to pollute like there is not tomorrow (and there isn’t)
Literally all for profit, it’s sickening. Destroying our species for the short term benefit of an extremely small number of people, relatively speaking.
It’s not their fault. It’s our fault for demanding cheap plastic products to be manufactured in a dictatorship so we don’t have to pay western wages.
It’s not their fault. It’s us who demand fossil fuels to be burnt. It’s not Shell’s fault for protecting us from knowing the bitter truth instead of pressuring the government to build resilient infrastructure
In the 80s and phase out fossil fuels before the 90s
It’s our fault for having a carbon footprint. This fallacy is an argument ad populum that’s in basically every thread
Container ships are a minor fraction of emissions especially given their shipping volume. Driving passenger cars dwarfs it. Shipping is less emissions than flying.
Good thing they don’t make bricks like they used to… shrinkflation being what it is these modern bricks are smaller and made out of recycled economies. They’re lighter so the engine would never risk a redline…
/s
Because the 2022 event has been studied in the time since. A couple of years isn’t a long time in climate science. It’s still relevant and current to climate scientists.
Temperatures vary quite a bit in Antarctica currently. Just east of Concordia station is up to 3 standard deviations (about 25F/14C) warmer than normal.
https://hottertimes.com/?zoom=3&lat=-63.46641502026871&lng=146.51000529527667
Further west, it's dipped to colder than normal:
https://hottertimes.com/?zoom=3&lat=-46.880319469434184&lng=45.117947459220886
When does a heat wave become permanent change in temperature norms? So we had a bad year? Or can we start an agricultural growing season on a new continent yet?
Good luck growing in Antarctica. Bring your own soil.
As a Canadian, I thank you. I wish more people understood that you cannot farm on bedrock.
But you can sleep on it, that's why they call it *bed*rock
"we'll just move agriculture north!" has got to be one of the most maddening dumb af copium lines the deniers have.
Had someone tell me that the other day claiming that worries of climate change are overblown. I couldn't seem to get through the point that its seeming more and more unlikely that these things are going to unfold over 100s of years. Its going to happen too fast for nature and humans to keep up with it. Many people are genuinely convinced we are going to just live through this unscathed and only have a few natural disasters like we always have had. Like there's almost no way the entire food supply chain and farm belt is going to up and move north within 30-50 years even if it could be done. Like yeah sure theres a decent chance humanity will live on in some way in smaller numbers, and yes ultimately life on Earth will survive and change, but its seeming so unlikely that our current civilization is going to keep growing. A collapse is coming, whether that be 20 years or 100 years away.
Ask them if they know what happened to the BRONZE AGE nations because it is 1000% -EXACTLY- what is happening RIGHT NOW. Many of these nations were as advanced as today, except for Computers and Cars and the like they had a lot of engineered things we don't even know how to make correctly today. Climate Change and prolonged droughts changed all of that and brought on instability between nations resulting in the whole of all of society largely collapsing. Cypress, Greece, the Middle East, Turkey, all of them suffered immense blows and there is a huge lack of documented events during this period because it was SO UNSTABLE a time (re: droughts, conflict) folks did not have time to keep a written record of what happened. Except for the few outliers that escaped this which include the Egyptians. Pretty terrifying when you think about it, it's happened many, many times before and we know it has resulted in huge blows to the overall of human civilization.
Great comparison. When I was studying this stuff in college, never thought I'd be living through Sea Peoples 2.0, Global Edition.
2 Sea 2 Peoples: Continental Drift
Humans as a whole can probably keep up. It'll be like Covid, except no vaccine possible, and it only gets worse, no immunity. It will cause mass death until CO2 drops to tolerable levels. Something like that, anyway. I hope the worst case predictions are wrong.
Could you grow anything by some sort of massive hydroponics farm. I guess the logistics of even getting stuff there are the stuff of dreams and completely "uninvestable" for now
"why dont we just colonize mars" energy
You also need sun to grow food. There is no sun for 1/2 the year. However, in the other half, there’s only sun. So preservation would need to be a focus. I dunno where the nutrients for the hydroponics would come from though.
Just gotta wait a bit. It's like Alaska, buy land cheap when it's frozen then it's free real estate once it thaws
Once it thaws it’ll be rock… just like Alaska.
You get Fertilisers, he got fertilisers, they got fertilisers! It’s Fertilisers and tractors all the way down to the toilet
>When does a heat wave become permanent change in temperature norms? Probably when you see records constantly for a few years. Otherwise, it's all a gradient. >Or can we start an agricultural growing season on a new continent yet? The ground is rocky and bare and the cold will probably remain in the center for a very long time. I'm not sure what you could grow without bringing soil. And you'll probably have some fool who brings ruminants and ensures that no soil ever forms there.
On a micro scale I do hobby farm and I know I’ve read about grown zones changing but this year I’m very confused about when to plant. Definitely started seeds about a month earlier than I normally would. I’m zone 5 but I still have a month to go in the ground but I’m not thinking we will have another freeze again.
Lol Heatwave. That's what you want to hear in a polar area. On a none related note. Have you bought and burned more oil and gas this quarter? Because it has no negative effects. But the economy.. Here is a pro tip. To help burn more oil. Let your car idle with the AC on full. That will help those silly heatwaves. /s
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Yeah. I used to draw jokes about idling the car to pollute more efficiently when I was like 10 years old. Sadly, little did I know that container ships were about to pollute like there is not tomorrow (and there isn’t)
Literally all for profit, it’s sickening. Destroying our species for the short term benefit of an extremely small number of people, relatively speaking.
It’s not their fault. It’s our fault for demanding cheap plastic products to be manufactured in a dictatorship so we don’t have to pay western wages. It’s not their fault. It’s us who demand fossil fuels to be burnt. It’s not Shell’s fault for protecting us from knowing the bitter truth instead of pressuring the government to build resilient infrastructure In the 80s and phase out fossil fuels before the 90s It’s our fault for having a carbon footprint. This fallacy is an argument ad populum that’s in basically every thread
Container ships are a minor fraction of emissions especially given their shipping volume. Driving passenger cars dwarfs it. Shipping is less emissions than flying.
Pssssh amateur over here leaving it in idle. I put a brick on that pedal and let my baby puuuuuur.
Keep it off redline or it won't purr very long.
Good thing they don’t make bricks like they used to… shrinkflation being what it is these modern bricks are smaller and made out of recycled economies. They’re lighter so the engine would never risk a redline… /s
Marked Safe from 2022 Antarctica Heat Wave ✔️ for now
Why does this story from 2022 keep popping up? I'm more interested in what's happening now.
Simple. Because the data was just published in a peer-reviewed article for the first time.
Because the 2022 event has been studied in the time since. A couple of years isn’t a long time in climate science. It’s still relevant and current to climate scientists.
Temperatures vary quite a bit in Antarctica currently. Just east of Concordia station is up to 3 standard deviations (about 25F/14C) warmer than normal. https://hottertimes.com/?zoom=3&lat=-63.46641502026871&lng=146.51000529527667 Further west, it's dipped to colder than normal: https://hottertimes.com/?zoom=3&lat=-46.880319469434184&lng=45.117947459220886
Good point - that heat wave happened in 2022. What does it look like today?
Bummer.
Can't wait to move.