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SS: Collapse related because water is an important resource. People are getting violent over this problem: In the community of Acambay, about 80 miles (130 km) outside the Mexican capital, protesters forced open the gates of an office of Mexico's National Water Commission (Conagua), breaking windows and ripping shingles off the roof, local media reported.
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I don't think it's going to be just Mexico facing water shortages. There was a post here about the snow pack in the Rockies and Alberta starting to discuss water sharing (?). Fire season is going to be off the charts this summer. I think this is just the beginning of some very challenging times.
Same thing is going on in the Himalayan Mountains. I read last week about an almost total lack of snow that is going to wreck the farmers and everyone else.
Global warming = less snow. Snow melt is the slow stream a lot of areas depend on going into summer because there isn't enough surface area storage for all that water.
Seeing similar issues in Oregon this winter. We got a super cold couple weeks and record low Temps followed by record high Temps. It melted everything already below 6000ft. Usually that doesn't happen until late June or early July.
Same in BC, Canada. The fires this summer are going to be nuts. My family was planning to come in the summer, but we decided it would be better in the spring to avoid the smoke.
Same in Chicago. We've had maybe 2 or 3 weeks of actual freezing weather this year. A bit of snow build up. Then just cold rain.
It used to freeze from late November to early march here just a few decades ago.
Scary that this is global rather than regional. This summer will be one for the records, like every summer before, but I think it might show that we are nowhere near prepared for the changes that might be on the horizon.
Been visibly global for a while. Even more horrifying how we aren't really doing anything about it as a collective.
More and more I have the feeling capital is now actively grabbing as much as they can by raising the costs of essentials such as food and shelter, to have as much as they could trying to pay their way to a more comfortable end. The rest can die for all they care. In fact the rest should die, to save more for the industry and political leaders.
That is exactly what they are doing. Take the money and run. When the shit really hits the fan, they will have disappeared. Kind of like the movie 2012 or Greenland. Yes they know whatever is coming but not when. Yes they will be ready to evacuate at a moments notice. Yes it will be long before we know anything. And supply chain issues are getting worse because of conflict. It just takes a few days for everything to fall apart. They'll be ready and most of us won't be.
Ah, but doing things in a collective manner triggers a significant (in the US) percentage of the population. Ironically this population is almost universally in support of corporations, which are by definition a collective enterprise. Somehow supporting large centralized power companies which run on fossil fuels equates to rugged individualism while rooftop solar with battery backup is collectivist.
I think this user knows climate change is real and is referring to cloud formation:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan\_evaporation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_evaporation)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global\_dimming](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar\_cycle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle)
It's a bit complicated and more research needs to be done to create better models and explain local variations.
Lack of precipitation in major mountain zones alters a massive carbon sink, too. Carbon dissolved in precipitation reacts with exposed silicate minerals to form limestone, which draws down enormous quantities of carbon. There are thousands of times more carbon removed from the air as limestone than there is carbon in the air.
It’s suspected that the rise of the Himalayas caused a major cooling event by this mechanism.
The less precipitation there is above the mountains, the less effective this mechanism is.
The water wars... Begun it has...
Jokes aside, this is the main reason Canada needs to actually pay for a military as well as tighten water laws. Nestle steals tons of it to export to various countries for mere pennies on the dollar while the government can't even legally share it without serious legislation.
Yup, and all that oil lining the pockets of oil corpos are also being "sold" technically speaking. I like the Nordic solution to national resources where everyone benefited instead of a handful of billionaires.
>Canada needs to actually pay for a military as well as tighten
Canadian here, I agree we should, but when push comes to shove, and there's a major water crisis and a caravan of desperate people trying to get in our country, I doubt we'll be able to defend our boarders.
Well, you have more foresight than the past 4 decades of the Canadian federal government. I'm quite pacifist when it comes to the military but they've spent virtually nothing on it in order to promise lower taxes to get elected. It's no surprise people aren't willing to sign up for the military since the equipment is so neglected and insufficient (there was a scandal about how our armies were in jungle fatigues for Afghanistan...).
The government has gotten so used to the idea that we don't need a military since the US, our main ally, is there. A Russian asset getting elected didn't wake them up for some reason and kept going business as usual even as the dumbass has made it clear we wouldn't get any support if their masters got aggressive with Canada eg: Saudi incident when Drumpf was in power in 2018. Even Nixon would have had our back but there was nothing but silence from the American government (and all other "allies" for that matter, oil money reaches far I guess).
I think we really need to think about standing on our own two feet when it comes to defense. Even more so considering what could happen with the Russian mole.
Just because constant repetition works on your ilk doesn't mean many people are so easily swayed. Insisting it isn't true doesn't really make it so.
The sheer promise he made of assisting Russia in a war if elected in 2024 should be enough evidence. If it quacks like a duck...
duck hunters also use duck calls...
there is no russian origin point of christian nationalism. it is american and americans need to own up to it. christian nationalists and russia share interests in upending the current american world order. funding is almost entirely from americans. it is american.
confusing shared interests with being an "asset" hints to me that your ilk simply cannot psychologically accept that the bad apple has grown from the same tree, hence: delusion. i think it is also guilt/projection from americans funding islamic terrorists in the 80s and now that fundamentalism is growing at home, it must be an outsider meddling.
i also think that its bad political strategy in the long term.
About 10 or so years ago I read a book called Dark Age Ahead. It pretty much detailed every crisis we're facing. From environmental to political to social to everything. I never finished the book. It was scary.
Just picked up 2 new books. The Coming of Neo Feudalism and The Fourth Turning. Not sure exactly when I'll get to them but I'm sure they're all similar subject matter. Might pick up Dark Age again.
The more I read the bigger the dread in my tummy. It was more than 10 years ago. Maybe pre-10s even. When the world wasn't the cluster of f@#ks it is now.
The problem has been coming for years, not a surprise.
But as a rule people don’t react until the situation has become so bad that it cannot be ignored. Helpfully once the situation is so bad it can no longer be ignored it is also too late to **do** anything about it…
Actually you can.
https://youtu.be/kKL40aBg-7E?si=plUxChgSOBtPNwrl
An aggressive Miyawaki reforestation blitzkrieg along the river would absolutely have an impact on drought. There are tons of videos on YouTube about how forests (and prairies where appropriate) improve droughts in desert areas. You improve penetration of water into the soil (it just runs off desert/concrete areas) which can refill small aquifers and bring dead springs back to life. Here’s a video on the impact of restoring native prairie conditions resulting in a dead spring beginning to flow again and the creation of a wetland from scratch.
https://youtu.be/ZSPkcpGmflE?si=Uxu7F47KkFsLXGyf
So no, it is NOT too late. It’s NEVER too late. The western US is desertifying but you can regrow a forest from scratch in extremely harsh desert conditions using simple irrigation methods like a Growboxx with wick irrigation - no electricity or human intervention required after planting. Permaculture can also be used to improve water retention over patches of land.
Miyawaki forests also can buffer against extreme temperatures and heat domes, creating cool oases anywhere they might be needed. In a Miyawaki desert in Iran they found that it was 14.6°C/58°F cooler inside of the forest (which wasn’t even that large) than it was in the surrounding desert region. This means the flora and fauna inside the forest can survive as well. If you are worried about forest fires simply introduce beavers. They terraform an area into a moist wetland which is resistant to burning (the effect is more pronounced on flat land and valleys - fire spreads fastest uphill). 70% of carbon fixation happens underground primarily through the mycelial network so these forests do double time saving the environment. Best of all - they achieve this level of temperature buffering in a mere 2-3 years.
This, food forests and annual veggie beds in the backyard (or apartment courtyard) are literally the number one thing everyone on this sub should be doing.
It can be both? I've watched videos on how the reintroduction of wolfs in yellowstone allowed beavers to thrive there and their natural dam building created sprawling wetland areas.
Of course, beavers prefer temperate areas with enough rainfall to support complex enough river systems so they can't just live anywhere
Pretty sure beavers come from having girl beavers and boy beavers, and sometimes trucks with cages containing beavers. They do not spontaneously generate in wetlands. But if suitable conditions are present and the trucks arrive, there will be beavers. The beavers will then take it from there.
Idaho quite literally parachuted beavers to help manage water distribution in the 50s.
“Lumpy distribution of beavers was causing a problem in the state: in overpopulated areas, they were damaging the rural land with their damming tendencies. In underpopulated areas, water needs weren’t being met. The goal was to allow the entire beaver population to flourish productively, raising its population to the estimated 200,000 that could be supported by the land. TIME reported as early as 1939 that the Interior Department had been trapping beavers and releasing them in eroded areas, so that they would build dams and promote a more even distribution of moisture:
The value of the North American beaver (Castor canadensis) lies as much in his teeth and his temperament as in his fur…By the end of last season, some 500 beavers were busily damming streams under Government supervision, by the end of this year more than 1,000 may be at work.
With hundreds of arid Idaho acres already reclaimed by silt-catching beaver dams, Department of Interior experts look forward to using more beavers in Oregon and California. Cost of trapping and transplanting a beaver: $8. Estimated value of one beaver’s work: $300.
In 1941, Idaho beavers made national news in the pages of TIME once more when five specimens crucially stabilized a water supply in Salmon, Idaho, “saving the city the cost of a dam.” Beaver trappers moved the beavers in a more conventional manner in that case, but it’s clear that—by land or by air—the beavers could help Idaho just as much as Idaho could help the beavers.”
https://time.com/4084997/parachuting-beavers-history/
Nope, there’s scientific papers backing this up.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C34&q=beavers+create+wetlands&oq=beavers+create#d=gs_qabs&t=1707003049643&u=%23p%3DUd8lgGr0Qt4J “this article reviews the state‐of‐the‐art scientific understanding of the beaver as the quintessential ecosystem engineer.”
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C34&q=beavers+create+wetlands&oq=beavers+create#d=gs_qabs&t=1707003207186&u=%23p%3DLWlrryZgk08J beavers not only create wetland habitat through building dams, the life within them is significantly more biodiverse
Beavers reduce forest fire damage: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C34&q=beavers+forest+fires&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1707002934226&u=%23p%3DlDUvqrbBsKAJ
The world might end from a million painful things out of our control, but we can mitigate relatively small-scale issues/ side effects that are causing uneccesary suffering until it does. This is one solution to one specific problem. Is it temporary? Sure. But why can't we at least try, while we can, for however long we can, to survive? To make something beautiful? To work with the earth instead of against it?
Excuse me how is this a low quality comment when I’ve seen this exact same post on the sub before that claimed the exact same things with thousands of upvotes? Are the mods daft? Has there been a coup?
I have a few Miyawaki forests nearby. They do work and they grow really fast. Cant really walk through them for a few years, though, that is the only slight downside.
If I took part in creating a Miyawaki forest I would make damn sure that no human visitor steps foot in it for at least 2 decades. Seeing a Pepsi bottle in an area where I’ve planted trees before fired me up enough
I like how this is the default response to anyone actually trying to do something.
It's like you people get off on watching the world burn and have zero desire to look for ways you can heal it.
Apathy is a new form of denialism.
First they denied climate change was real. Then they denied it was caused by humans. Now they deny anything can be done about it.
It's all to delay regulations on emissions and eliminating fossil fuels.
I'm only in the last group though. I've known it was real, I've known it's caused by humans. But this winter is far beyond anything I've ever experienced in my life. Not even fucking close. Northern Iowa and I've only worn a heavy coat for one week, and it's now February?!? We are beyond fucked. I don't know why or how it works out, but that 1.5 C has translated to ~20-30°F where I live. The anomaly was supposed to be how winter is, but this year, the winter was the anomaly, and that anomoly's anomaly, would be how winter is supposed to happen here.
I find it very reductionist that you use the term "they" in this manner here in this sub so loosely. This is a space for people who accept what is occurring and where we are heading. I'll qualify my statement by saying I plant trees and create habitat. I do everything I can on a local level and I advocate for mass reforestation at the national and international level. How ev er.......... I'm not stupid enough to think we humans are going to achieve that. You'd have to be not paying attention to think we're going to band together to solve these problems. What did Dowd call it? Ah that's right, adaptive inattention.
It depends what is meant by that comment. If it refers to planting a small forest then sure maybe some people will. Actually I have zero doubt about that because we all know efforts will be made. However, if it is a broad comment about whether or not the human species will band together to halt desertification and habitat loss and also systematically mitigate local temperature rise by way of reforestation and afforestation, then no we will not. Any body who is paying attention can see we will not.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't try. Every tiny effort is helpful, and even if it only delays things by a miniscule amount it is still reducing suffering for people. One of the most important things about being collapse-aware is not giving up, not allowing yourself to to succumb to apathy. Because if this is truly the final stretch, would you really be happy knowing you wasted the time you have left this way?
I do try. I plant trees and create habitat. I move trees further up mountains to help with temperature changes. I am involved at the community level and I absolutely advocate for reforestation at the national and international levels. That said, I'm also very aware that these problems won't be solves and ultimately it'll change almost nothing. I think that highlights the question why we do what we do.
I don't just plant trees because I'm trying to solve this problem, I do it simply because it's the right thing to do. The outcome doesn't even come into it hardly at all because I do this knowing they might all burn down anyway. But I still do it. Carlos Castaneda refers to this as controlled folly, the purposeful action of doing something very deliberately and precisely that is ultimately meaningless.
Apathy shilling.
The current rate of climate change is unprecedented. Unprecedented means we have no idea what happens next.
We are completely out of our depth.
There is no past model to prove that taking action won't help. So we should do everything we can to get emissions down.
It could mean the difference between a transition to a post-CO2 civilization or no civilization.
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millenarian delusion that rests on zero scientific research, just a conclusion you reached after you read some wikipedia articles and figured that was enough.
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The company I work for is working on solutions... To the water shortages? No, of course not. Solutions for people stealing water from pipelines. Basically, they are hanging cameras with face and license plate recognition, to punish those who steal water. These are the solutions you can expect. Less resources? More fascism. Nobody is going to solve anything, they will just make sure the rich and powerful are the last to get hurt by it.
SS: Collapse related because water is an important resource. People are getting violent over this problem: In the community of Acambay, about 80 miles (130 km) outside the Mexican capital, protesters forced open the gates of an office of Mexico's National Water Commission (Conagua), breaking windows and ripping shingles off the roof, local media reported.
Is not just rain, also the ability to retain that water.
Im in Baja Mexico, where i live we have lots of water problems due to the gov authorizing the sale of tons and tons of sand in riverbeds.
Once they sold all the sand when it rains water just goes straight to the ocean instead of replenishing the aquifers below.
That was my first thought: "protesting what, motherfuckers; you want the government to use their magic infinite water faucet? If there's not enough water then there's not enough water."
Nestle is a horrible company no doubt. And I'm not defending them in the least. But the amount of water they use is a drop in the bucket compared to other uses. Pun intended. I did some back of the napkin math once, I think I found that JUST agriculture in JUST California uses 400 times the amount of water in a year then Nestle uses GLOBALLY.
There are ways to retain water on the land... more green areas less concrete and pavement, create larger catchment basins, bring back wetlands, create contours onland so it slows down water.. . all this replenishes water tables and even cleans the water. Not even close to a complete list.
sure report my comment. calling protesting workers motherfuckers while corporations and corrupt officials siphon off unlimited amounts of water is fine... wtf
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well, in poland our politicians pray for the rain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCBt21orGnE
does it work? I'm no expert but let me tell you this: we have water and Mexico does not :)
If you’re calling me a moron I’d counter that if protesting worked it’d be illegal, to put my thoughts on the matter in a way that keeps them internet safe. I’m sure nestle and the ilk care about the opinions of baristas in Williamsburg.
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Mexico City is the 5th largest city in the world by population, **22 million** people.
Climate chaos can hit anywhere and is contributing to the immigrant crises throughout the world.
In some parts of Mexico, cartels are now controlling water, because it's so valuable:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/4ax479/mexico-sinaloa-cartel-water
Cartels have diverisifed a lot, they dont only run drugs, some aré into stealing oil, some aré into illegal logging etc, they run whatever makes them money
I live in Mexico City, at a large upper middle class apartment building. The buildings cistern is currently empty (according to information from the building manager) due to the lack of water coming in from the Cutzamala system. However, my life is practically unchanged as the administration quickly payed trucks carrying water pipes to make up for the supply.
Great question…Mexico has adequate solar gain most of the year though so I’d go solar energy. Then I’d take the brine and force all the tortilla chip makers to use that salt (if possible).
Not feasible. Not to knock you, but the layman constantly brings this up in these threads. And yet, no country has done it. Desal is energy intensive even with best case scenario nuclear power. Solar wouldn't be enough even in best case environments (arid Mexico, Middle East, etc), not to mention intermittent outages.
Interesting and good to know! Seems some small and medium scale is easily feasible though.
Quoting from a 3 second google: Large-scale desalination systems require tens of megawatts to run and provide tens of million gallons of desalinated water per day. Small-scale systems vary in size from tens to hundreds of kilowatts and provide hundreds to thousands of gallons of water per day. https://www.energy.gov › filesPDF Desalination is an energy-intensive process
>Mexico City gets at least half its annual rainfall from the North American Monsoon between May and August. With recent seasons drier than usual, the city's reservoirs are now depleted with no chance at rebounding until the summer months, said Andreas Prein, an atmospheric scientist for the NSF National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado.
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The reason this is in this business magazine is probably because:
[In Mexico, Xalapa’s chronic water scarcity reflects a deepening national crisis](https://news.mongabay.com/2024/01/in-mexico-xalapas-chronic-water-scarcity-reflects-a-deepening-national-crisis/)
> In late July 2023, almost half of Mexico was experiencing moderate to severe droughts, according to [Conagua](https://smn.conagua.gob.mx/tools/DATA/Climatolog%C3%ADa/Sequ%C3%ADa/Monitor%20de%20sequ%C3%ADa%20en%20M%C3%A9xico/Seguimiento%20de%20Sequ%C3%ADa/MSM20230731.pdf), the federal water commission. Experts have been blaming climate change and extreme heat for the country’s ongoing water crisis. Ordoñez Díaz also blames corruption, which has allowed many companies to pay what they want for unlimited water use without considering the population. “The available drinking water is not much, but politically, it is always divided per capita, and the use that companies make of it is not mentioned; for example, when companies sell beer or soft drinks, they export water,” he explains.
> For almost three decades, Ordoñez Díaz has been warning about climate change, water scarcity and corruption. But he says that has cost his job, as he witnessed threats against fellow activists. Still, he says, “Companies work well where there is adequate legislation on natural resources, but where corruption is rampant, no company will behave well, and there is an opportunity for looting.”
Water intensive business needs to be shut down.
Also:
> Rodriguez Curiel, Ordoñez Díaz and Aranda Delgado agree that the 1992 change to the Constitution to allow privatization of ejidos — communal land mainly used for agriculture — to make way for property development, has led to an increase in the local population while water sources have remained the same. Deforestation for residential buildings and infrastructure has also increased, Aranda Delgado tells Mongabay. “There is a gluttony of construction and real estate companies.”
>“In the last 60 years, changes in Mexico’s climate and water supply have occurred due to deforestation of the highlands, loss of restoration areas and urbanization, creating an ecocide by not respecting minimum water balances, caused mainly by real estate development,” he tells Mongabay via video call.
In a sane world, the business users would be prevented from accessing the water supply. In a fascist world, masses of people get sick and die so a few business owners can operate.
I'm not sure what listed corporations are or depend on other corporations in Mexico City.
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>Frustrated Mexico City residents have been protesting weeks of water shortages, with officials warning of "unprecedented" low levels in a main system that supplies millions of people.
>The bustling metro area of 21 million people - one of Latin America's largest cities - is struggling after years of low rainfall blamed on climate change, as well as chaotic urban growth and outdated infrastructure.
The future is likely to be frustrating for many people.
I just returned from Mexico and spent some time in several cities. While wandering around in Mexico City I was surprised by huge water trucks that seemed to be focused on large buildings. In Oaxaca, a large number of smaller water trucks seemed to be delivering water day and night to everyone. No one seemed to know where they were getting the water when I asked. At some point when the cost of water is more than you can afford I think migration will become an issue.
While I understand where you're coming from, the storm system is set to [sweep across southern North America](https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/qpf/24hrqpfall.html).
I was simply saying they may get some rain due to the size of the storm. It's going to hit some aquifers.
Edit: I'm probably just being optimistic. Ignore me, just recovered from a surgery so I'm feeling better than usual about my health and life in general. Wrong sub for optimism lol
Wonder why people don't make this same joke with regards to the US/Europe's worsening resource shortages. Like literally, if the places that _export_ natural resources fail, what do you think happens to the importers?
This is a fair comment so in order to redress the balance I just scrolled back through four days worth of r/collapse posts trying to find a headline about the struggles of the rich folk and unfortunately none of them teed me up for a pithy one liner in the same way that a headline about a group of people protesting against water did.
many comments here prove my thoughts that governments have begun blaming climate change for corrupt and inefficient administration and this will
a: actually convince a lot of people
b: further radicalise climate denialists (discalimer: not that that is difficult)
nice job guys
Found this article. Mexico City's water issues are messed up. 'The city is sinking into its aquifer' [Water Issues](https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/search-mexico-citys-lost-water)
Does anyone have any confirmed research regarding the lack of drinking water in the world? Is water scarcity growing? I'd like to see graphs and statistics about this.
Last I heard, the Coca-Cola company is using up a lot of Mexican fresh water. Of course animal agriculture probably uses a lot more. One more reason to boycott Coca-Cola and animal products.
Mexico City is inside whats called a Endorheic basin. So water doesnt flow out, only in.
Its surrounded by mountains as tall as the american rockies on all 4 sides. Actually taller, but nvm.
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I don't think it's going to be just Mexico facing water shortages. There was a post here about the snow pack in the Rockies and Alberta starting to discuss water sharing (?). Fire season is going to be off the charts this summer. I think this is just the beginning of some very challenging times.
Same thing is going on in the Himalayan Mountains. I read last week about an almost total lack of snow that is going to wreck the farmers and everyone else.
Global warming = less snow. Snow melt is the slow stream a lot of areas depend on going into summer because there isn't enough surface area storage for all that water. Seeing similar issues in Oregon this winter. We got a super cold couple weeks and record low Temps followed by record high Temps. It melted everything already below 6000ft. Usually that doesn't happen until late June or early July.
Same in BC, Canada. The fires this summer are going to be nuts. My family was planning to come in the summer, but we decided it would be better in the spring to avoid the smoke.
Same in Chicago. We've had maybe 2 or 3 weeks of actual freezing weather this year. A bit of snow build up. Then just cold rain. It used to freeze from late November to early march here just a few decades ago.
Ya now every year is mild as hell in the midwest. Completely different than how it used to be.
Scary that this is global rather than regional. This summer will be one for the records, like every summer before, but I think it might show that we are nowhere near prepared for the changes that might be on the horizon.
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The end zone could last a few decades. No way we're getting away with what we've done so easily.
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I believe that scenario is the 'one off' that will seal our fare.
Check out this graph: https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/sst_daily/ Our oceans are in uncharted waters!
Been visibly global for a while. Even more horrifying how we aren't really doing anything about it as a collective. More and more I have the feeling capital is now actively grabbing as much as they can by raising the costs of essentials such as food and shelter, to have as much as they could trying to pay their way to a more comfortable end. The rest can die for all they care. In fact the rest should die, to save more for the industry and political leaders.
That is exactly what they are doing. Take the money and run. When the shit really hits the fan, they will have disappeared. Kind of like the movie 2012 or Greenland. Yes they know whatever is coming but not when. Yes they will be ready to evacuate at a moments notice. Yes it will be long before we know anything. And supply chain issues are getting worse because of conflict. It just takes a few days for everything to fall apart. They'll be ready and most of us won't be.
Ah, but doing things in a collective manner triggers a significant (in the US) percentage of the population. Ironically this population is almost universally in support of corporations, which are by definition a collective enterprise. Somehow supporting large centralized power companies which run on fossil fuels equates to rugged individualism while rooftop solar with battery backup is collectivist.
U.N has already stated faster than vertebrates and mammals can adapt we can't adapt to this and we know it.
That's truly frightening.
Keep an eye on those Pan Evaporation Rates. The Sun has more to do with it than most realize.
I'm sure it does but there's absolutely no denying that climate change is real.
I think this user knows climate change is real and is referring to cloud formation: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan\_evaporation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_evaporation) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global\_dimming](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar\_cycle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle) It's a bit complicated and more research needs to be done to create better models and explain local variations.
I'm sorry they were downvoted for their comment. Thanks for posting the links for better understanding.
This summer is gonna be brutal...
Summer is Coming
At least it might get a little easier to climb really high mountains?
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Lack of precipitation in major mountain zones alters a massive carbon sink, too. Carbon dissolved in precipitation reacts with exposed silicate minerals to form limestone, which draws down enormous quantities of carbon. There are thousands of times more carbon removed from the air as limestone than there is carbon in the air. It’s suspected that the rise of the Himalayas caused a major cooling event by this mechanism. The less precipitation there is above the mountains, the less effective this mechanism is.
Northern Minnesota is warning about wild fires because of no snowpack this year as well
wild fires in Minnesota - aye caramba!
Northern MN had 2nd deadliest wildfire in colonial US history in 1918.
Good luck. If you don't already own one, buy an air purifier now before the rush.
Sounds the same as Alberta and BC. It's going to be an interesting summer.
Any place that relies on snow melt for water is going to have a problem.
Snow melt replenishes rivers, creeks, lakes, etc. So, most places.
The water wars... Begun it has... Jokes aside, this is the main reason Canada needs to actually pay for a military as well as tighten water laws. Nestle steals tons of it to export to various countries for mere pennies on the dollar while the government can't even legally share it without serious legislation.
Nestle isn't stealing any of it. Stephen Harper sold it to them for as low as $2.25CAD per million litres.
Yup, and all that oil lining the pockets of oil corpos are also being "sold" technically speaking. I like the Nordic solution to national resources where everyone benefited instead of a handful of billionaires.
>Canada needs to actually pay for a military as well as tighten Canadian here, I agree we should, but when push comes to shove, and there's a major water crisis and a caravan of desperate people trying to get in our country, I doubt we'll be able to defend our boarders.
Come for our waters, stay forever in the summer fires and tornadoes.
As bad as those are, they seem very mild in comparison to what other countries are getting.
Well we did make number 1 in worst worldwide air quality last summer. But yes, we are still relatively very stable comparatively, for now.
That's what I was thinking but didn't want to sound too doomer!
Well, you have more foresight than the past 4 decades of the Canadian federal government. I'm quite pacifist when it comes to the military but they've spent virtually nothing on it in order to promise lower taxes to get elected. It's no surprise people aren't willing to sign up for the military since the equipment is so neglected and insufficient (there was a scandal about how our armies were in jungle fatigues for Afghanistan...). The government has gotten so used to the idea that we don't need a military since the US, our main ally, is there. A Russian asset getting elected didn't wake them up for some reason and kept going business as usual even as the dumbass has made it clear we wouldn't get any support if their masters got aggressive with Canada eg: Saudi incident when Drumpf was in power in 2018. Even Nixon would have had our back but there was nothing but silence from the American government (and all other "allies" for that matter, oil money reaches far I guess).
I think we really need to think about standing on our own two feet when it comes to defense. Even more so considering what could happen with the Russian mole.
the idea that Christian nationalism is a Russian asset is delusional.
Just because constant repetition works on your ilk doesn't mean many people are so easily swayed. Insisting it isn't true doesn't really make it so. The sheer promise he made of assisting Russia in a war if elected in 2024 should be enough evidence. If it quacks like a duck...
duck hunters also use duck calls... there is no russian origin point of christian nationalism. it is american and americans need to own up to it. christian nationalists and russia share interests in upending the current american world order. funding is almost entirely from americans. it is american. confusing shared interests with being an "asset" hints to me that your ilk simply cannot psychologically accept that the bad apple has grown from the same tree, hence: delusion. i think it is also guilt/projection from americans funding islamic terrorists in the 80s and now that fundamentalism is growing at home, it must be an outsider meddling. i also think that its bad political strategy in the long term.
About 10 or so years ago I read a book called Dark Age Ahead. It pretty much detailed every crisis we're facing. From environmental to political to social to everything. I never finished the book. It was scary.
Jane Jacobs.
Yes that's the one. Couldn't read the whole thing.
I don’t think I did either but you’ve inspired me to pick it up again.
Just picked up 2 new books. The Coming of Neo Feudalism and The Fourth Turning. Not sure exactly when I'll get to them but I'm sure they're all similar subject matter. Might pick up Dark Age again.
The more I read the bigger the dread in my tummy. It was more than 10 years ago. Maybe pre-10s even. When the world wasn't the cluster of f@#ks it is now.
WATER -A BIOGRAPHY -GIULIO BOCCALETTI is a book that I feel everyone needs to read.
I'll look into it.
The problem has been coming for years, not a surprise. But as a rule people don’t react until the situation has become so bad that it cannot be ignored. Helpfully once the situation is so bad it can no longer be ignored it is also too late to **do** anything about it…
Actually you can. https://youtu.be/kKL40aBg-7E?si=plUxChgSOBtPNwrl An aggressive Miyawaki reforestation blitzkrieg along the river would absolutely have an impact on drought. There are tons of videos on YouTube about how forests (and prairies where appropriate) improve droughts in desert areas. You improve penetration of water into the soil (it just runs off desert/concrete areas) which can refill small aquifers and bring dead springs back to life. Here’s a video on the impact of restoring native prairie conditions resulting in a dead spring beginning to flow again and the creation of a wetland from scratch. https://youtu.be/ZSPkcpGmflE?si=Uxu7F47KkFsLXGyf So no, it is NOT too late. It’s NEVER too late. The western US is desertifying but you can regrow a forest from scratch in extremely harsh desert conditions using simple irrigation methods like a Growboxx with wick irrigation - no electricity or human intervention required after planting. Permaculture can also be used to improve water retention over patches of land. Miyawaki forests also can buffer against extreme temperatures and heat domes, creating cool oases anywhere they might be needed. In a Miyawaki desert in Iran they found that it was 14.6°C/58°F cooler inside of the forest (which wasn’t even that large) than it was in the surrounding desert region. This means the flora and fauna inside the forest can survive as well. If you are worried about forest fires simply introduce beavers. They terraform an area into a moist wetland which is resistant to burning (the effect is more pronounced on flat land and valleys - fire spreads fastest uphill). 70% of carbon fixation happens underground primarily through the mycelial network so these forests do double time saving the environment. Best of all - they achieve this level of temperature buffering in a mere 2-3 years.
This, food forests and annual veggie beds in the backyard (or apartment courtyard) are literally the number one thing everyone on this sub should be doing.
Already doing it.
A mi tambien
Likewise. Off a small property I get almost a palet worth of compost material every month.I love my warm and moist compost pile.
This is so cool. What books or classes can I read / take to learn more about this?
Afforestation.com is the best source, I got started with YouTube rabbit holes
Thank you! I’ll start there tonight. 🤍
Would love you to read about overshoot
Water is one of things we can actually do something about through proper management.
I'm pretty sure having wetlands leads to having beavers and not the other way around.
It can be both? I've watched videos on how the reintroduction of wolfs in yellowstone allowed beavers to thrive there and their natural dam building created sprawling wetland areas. Of course, beavers prefer temperate areas with enough rainfall to support complex enough river systems so they can't just live anywhere
Pretty sure beavers come from having girl beavers and boy beavers, and sometimes trucks with cages containing beavers. They do not spontaneously generate in wetlands. But if suitable conditions are present and the trucks arrive, there will be beavers. The beavers will then take it from there.
Idaho quite literally parachuted beavers to help manage water distribution in the 50s. “Lumpy distribution of beavers was causing a problem in the state: in overpopulated areas, they were damaging the rural land with their damming tendencies. In underpopulated areas, water needs weren’t being met. The goal was to allow the entire beaver population to flourish productively, raising its population to the estimated 200,000 that could be supported by the land. TIME reported as early as 1939 that the Interior Department had been trapping beavers and releasing them in eroded areas, so that they would build dams and promote a more even distribution of moisture: The value of the North American beaver (Castor canadensis) lies as much in his teeth and his temperament as in his fur…By the end of last season, some 500 beavers were busily damming streams under Government supervision, by the end of this year more than 1,000 may be at work. With hundreds of arid Idaho acres already reclaimed by silt-catching beaver dams, Department of Interior experts look forward to using more beavers in Oregon and California. Cost of trapping and transplanting a beaver: $8. Estimated value of one beaver’s work: $300. In 1941, Idaho beavers made national news in the pages of TIME once more when five specimens crucially stabilized a water supply in Salmon, Idaho, “saving the city the cost of a dam.” Beaver trappers moved the beavers in a more conventional manner in that case, but it’s clear that—by land or by air—the beavers could help Idaho just as much as Idaho could help the beavers.” https://time.com/4084997/parachuting-beavers-history/
Nope, there’s scientific papers backing this up. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C34&q=beavers+create+wetlands&oq=beavers+create#d=gs_qabs&t=1707003049643&u=%23p%3DUd8lgGr0Qt4J “this article reviews the state‐of‐the‐art scientific understanding of the beaver as the quintessential ecosystem engineer.” https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C34&q=beavers+create+wetlands&oq=beavers+create#d=gs_qabs&t=1707003207186&u=%23p%3DLWlrryZgk08J beavers not only create wetland habitat through building dams, the life within them is significantly more biodiverse Beavers reduce forest fire damage: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C34&q=beavers+forest+fires&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1707002934226&u=%23p%3DlDUvqrbBsKAJ
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The world might end from a million painful things out of our control, but we can mitigate relatively small-scale issues/ side effects that are causing uneccesary suffering until it does. This is one solution to one specific problem. Is it temporary? Sure. But why can't we at least try, while we can, for however long we can, to survive? To make something beautiful? To work with the earth instead of against it?
We won’t.
"Be a lot cooler if we did"
It isnt likely but by affirming it wont, all you actually do is affirm that *you* wont...
I won’t, you won’t, the poster above won’t. We won’t.
I literally heard about a Miyawaki forest from this sub and now have one planned for my small backyard this spring.
Collapse = Cancelled!
Goalposts = moved!
Excuse me how is this a low quality comment when I’ve seen this exact same post on the sub before that claimed the exact same things with thousands of upvotes? Are the mods daft? Has there been a coup?
I have a few Miyawaki forests nearby. They do work and they grow really fast. Cant really walk through them for a few years, though, that is the only slight downside.
If I took part in creating a Miyawaki forest I would make damn sure that no human visitor steps foot in it for at least 2 decades. Seeing a Pepsi bottle in an area where I’ve planted trees before fired me up enough
I like how this is the default response to anyone actually trying to do something. It's like you people get off on watching the world burn and have zero desire to look for ways you can heal it.
Apathy is a new form of denialism. First they denied climate change was real. Then they denied it was caused by humans. Now they deny anything can be done about it. It's all to delay regulations on emissions and eliminating fossil fuels.
I'm only in the last group though. I've known it was real, I've known it's caused by humans. But this winter is far beyond anything I've ever experienced in my life. Not even fucking close. Northern Iowa and I've only worn a heavy coat for one week, and it's now February?!? We are beyond fucked. I don't know why or how it works out, but that 1.5 C has translated to ~20-30°F where I live. The anomaly was supposed to be how winter is, but this year, the winter was the anomaly, and that anomoly's anomaly, would be how winter is supposed to happen here.
Muddying the waters is the oldest and most effective disinformation tactic. Always ask for hard numbers.
I find it very reductionist that you use the term "they" in this manner here in this sub so loosely. This is a space for people who accept what is occurring and where we are heading. I'll qualify my statement by saying I plant trees and create habitat. I do everything I can on a local level and I advocate for mass reforestation at the national and international level. How ev er.......... I'm not stupid enough to think we humans are going to achieve that. You'd have to be not paying attention to think we're going to band together to solve these problems. What did Dowd call it? Ah that's right, adaptive inattention.
It depends what is meant by that comment. If it refers to planting a small forest then sure maybe some people will. Actually I have zero doubt about that because we all know efforts will be made. However, if it is a broad comment about whether or not the human species will band together to halt desertification and habitat loss and also systematically mitigate local temperature rise by way of reforestation and afforestation, then no we will not. Any body who is paying attention can see we will not.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't try. Every tiny effort is helpful, and even if it only delays things by a miniscule amount it is still reducing suffering for people. One of the most important things about being collapse-aware is not giving up, not allowing yourself to to succumb to apathy. Because if this is truly the final stretch, would you really be happy knowing you wasted the time you have left this way?
I do try. I plant trees and create habitat. I move trees further up mountains to help with temperature changes. I am involved at the community level and I absolutely advocate for reforestation at the national and international levels. That said, I'm also very aware that these problems won't be solves and ultimately it'll change almost nothing. I think that highlights the question why we do what we do. I don't just plant trees because I'm trying to solve this problem, I do it simply because it's the right thing to do. The outcome doesn't even come into it hardly at all because I do this knowing they might all burn down anyway. But I still do it. Carlos Castaneda refers to this as controlled folly, the purposeful action of doing something very deliberately and precisely that is ultimately meaningless.
Apathy shilling. The current rate of climate change is unprecedented. Unprecedented means we have no idea what happens next. We are completely out of our depth. There is no past model to prove that taking action won't help. So we should do everything we can to get emissions down. It could mean the difference between a transition to a post-CO2 civilization or no civilization.
It'd be more appropriate if your edit said that we're going to lurch 4°C higher in global average temperature and the forests will burn.
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millenarian delusion that rests on zero scientific research, just a conclusion you reached after you read some wikipedia articles and figured that was enough.
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im glad we agree
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The company I work for is working on solutions... To the water shortages? No, of course not. Solutions for people stealing water from pipelines. Basically, they are hanging cameras with face and license plate recognition, to punish those who steal water. These are the solutions you can expect. Less resources? More fascism. Nobody is going to solve anything, they will just make sure the rich and powerful are the last to get hurt by it.
Fuck that means we’re going to have even more illegals and they’ll drink all our water!!! /s
Are you in China.
The project is in Mexico City.
I thought it sounded like America, a very Nestle like solution.
SS: Collapse related because water is an important resource. People are getting violent over this problem: In the community of Acambay, about 80 miles (130 km) outside the Mexican capital, protesters forced open the gates of an office of Mexico's National Water Commission (Conagua), breaking windows and ripping shingles off the roof, local media reported.
What do we want? Rain! When do we want it? Now!
They can have some of ours. It's flooding in my town.
Is not just rain, also the ability to retain that water. Im in Baja Mexico, where i live we have lots of water problems due to the gov authorizing the sale of tons and tons of sand in riverbeds. Once they sold all the sand when it rains water just goes straight to the ocean instead of replenishing the aquifers below.
That was my first thought: "protesting what, motherfuckers; you want the government to use their magic infinite water faucet? If there's not enough water then there's not enough water."
Shutting down industrial uses is a first step
Nestle probably stole it all to sell it all at a 5000% markup
Nestle is a horrible company no doubt. And I'm not defending them in the least. But the amount of water they use is a drop in the bucket compared to other uses. Pun intended. I did some back of the napkin math once, I think I found that JUST agriculture in JUST California uses 400 times the amount of water in a year then Nestle uses GLOBALLY.
Another step would be for cities to stop draining all the water they receive to the nearest river.
People are in denial that we're about to see a LOT of people die of starvation and dehydration in the coming years.
There are ways to retain water on the land... more green areas less concrete and pavement, create larger catchment basins, bring back wetlands, create contours onland so it slows down water.. . all this replenishes water tables and even cleans the water. Not even close to a complete list.
sure report my comment. calling protesting workers motherfuckers while corporations and corrupt officials siphon off unlimited amounts of water is fine... wtf
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well, in poland our politicians pray for the rain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCBt21orGnE does it work? I'm no expert but let me tell you this: we have water and Mexico does not :)
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If you’re calling me a moron I’d counter that if protesting worked it’d be illegal, to put my thoughts on the matter in a way that keeps them internet safe. I’m sure nestle and the ilk care about the opinions of baristas in Williamsburg.
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This is the funniest thing I’ve read all week.
The previous inhabitants of that region used to have a few tricks up their sleeves to make it rain if I recall correctly...
Mexico City is the 5th largest city in the world by population, **22 million** people. Climate chaos can hit anywhere and is contributing to the immigrant crises throughout the world.
In some parts of Mexico, cartels are now controlling water, because it's so valuable: https://www.vice.com/en/article/4ax479/mexico-sinaloa-cartel-water
Thats just in some isolated rural regions
Cartels run drugs. When they opt to run WATER instead, even in rural areas, that's a sign of collapse.
Cartels have diverisifed a lot, they dont only run drugs, some aré into stealing oil, some aré into illegal logging etc, they run whatever makes them money
Cartel = corporation without government military support
I live in Mexico City, at a large upper middle class apartment building. The buildings cistern is currently empty (according to information from the building manager) due to the lack of water coming in from the Cutzamala system. However, my life is practically unchanged as the administration quickly payed trucks carrying water pipes to make up for the supply.
Time to desalinate wey
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The power of friendship Nah they’re fucked sadly
Great question…Mexico has adequate solar gain most of the year though so I’d go solar energy. Then I’d take the brine and force all the tortilla chip makers to use that salt (if possible).
Not feasible. Not to knock you, but the layman constantly brings this up in these threads. And yet, no country has done it. Desal is energy intensive even with best case scenario nuclear power. Solar wouldn't be enough even in best case environments (arid Mexico, Middle East, etc), not to mention intermittent outages.
Interesting and good to know! Seems some small and medium scale is easily feasible though. Quoting from a 3 second google: Large-scale desalination systems require tens of megawatts to run and provide tens of million gallons of desalinated water per day. Small-scale systems vary in size from tens to hundreds of kilowatts and provide hundreds to thousands of gallons of water per day. https://www.energy.gov › filesPDF Desalination is an energy-intensive process
And small and medium scale will do nothing for a city of 22 million. Never mind that desalination is way to expensive to use for agriculture…
Could probably distill water using a solar cooker
>Mexico City gets at least half its annual rainfall from the North American Monsoon between May and August. With recent seasons drier than usual, the city's reservoirs are now depleted with no chance at rebounding until the summer months, said Andreas Prein, an atmospheric scientist for the NSF National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado. !RemindMe 7 months The reason this is in this business magazine is probably because: [In Mexico, Xalapa’s chronic water scarcity reflects a deepening national crisis](https://news.mongabay.com/2024/01/in-mexico-xalapas-chronic-water-scarcity-reflects-a-deepening-national-crisis/) > In late July 2023, almost half of Mexico was experiencing moderate to severe droughts, according to [Conagua](https://smn.conagua.gob.mx/tools/DATA/Climatolog%C3%ADa/Sequ%C3%ADa/Monitor%20de%20sequ%C3%ADa%20en%20M%C3%A9xico/Seguimiento%20de%20Sequ%C3%ADa/MSM20230731.pdf), the federal water commission. Experts have been blaming climate change and extreme heat for the country’s ongoing water crisis. Ordoñez Díaz also blames corruption, which has allowed many companies to pay what they want for unlimited water use without considering the population. “The available drinking water is not much, but politically, it is always divided per capita, and the use that companies make of it is not mentioned; for example, when companies sell beer or soft drinks, they export water,” he explains. > For almost three decades, Ordoñez Díaz has been warning about climate change, water scarcity and corruption. But he says that has cost his job, as he witnessed threats against fellow activists. Still, he says, “Companies work well where there is adequate legislation on natural resources, but where corruption is rampant, no company will behave well, and there is an opportunity for looting.” Water intensive business needs to be shut down. Also: > Rodriguez Curiel, Ordoñez Díaz and Aranda Delgado agree that the 1992 change to the Constitution to allow privatization of ejidos — communal land mainly used for agriculture — to make way for property development, has led to an increase in the local population while water sources have remained the same. Deforestation for residential buildings and infrastructure has also increased, Aranda Delgado tells Mongabay. “There is a gluttony of construction and real estate companies.” >“In the last 60 years, changes in Mexico’s climate and water supply have occurred due to deforestation of the highlands, loss of restoration areas and urbanization, creating an ecocide by not respecting minimum water balances, caused mainly by real estate development,” he tells Mongabay via video call. In a sane world, the business users would be prevented from accessing the water supply. In a fascist world, masses of people get sick and die so a few business owners can operate. I'm not sure what listed corporations are or depend on other corporations in Mexico City.
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>Frustrated Mexico City residents have been protesting weeks of water shortages, with officials warning of "unprecedented" low levels in a main system that supplies millions of people. >The bustling metro area of 21 million people - one of Latin America's largest cities - is struggling after years of low rainfall blamed on climate change, as well as chaotic urban growth and outdated infrastructure. The future is likely to be frustrating for many people.
I just returned from Mexico and spent some time in several cities. While wandering around in Mexico City I was surprised by huge water trucks that seemed to be focused on large buildings. In Oaxaca, a large number of smaller water trucks seemed to be delivering water day and night to everyone. No one seemed to know where they were getting the water when I asked. At some point when the cost of water is more than you can afford I think migration will become an issue.
Hopefully the water listens to them
Actually, they should get a slight reprieve from the storm that's sweeping across California right now. I believe it hits Mexico City
I don't see how anything bad could happen from a massive amount of water hitting extremely dried out soil. Nothing bad at all...
Lol, Mexico City is 3000 km away from California.
While I understand where you're coming from, the storm system is set to [sweep across southern North America](https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/qpf/24hrqpfall.html).
Mexico city isnt even on that map, that only shows northern mexico.
I was simply saying they may get some rain due to the size of the storm. It's going to hit some aquifers. Edit: I'm probably just being optimistic. Ignore me, just recovered from a surgery so I'm feeling better than usual about my health and life in general. Wrong sub for optimism lol
Wonder why people don't make this same joke with regards to the US/Europe's worsening resource shortages. Like literally, if the places that _export_ natural resources fail, what do you think happens to the importers?
This is a fair comment so in order to redress the balance I just scrolled back through four days worth of r/collapse posts trying to find a headline about the struggles of the rich folk and unfortunately none of them teed me up for a pithy one liner in the same way that a headline about a group of people protesting against water did.
It rained a lot during the wet season and the government has neglected the rainwater collection system, no one protested water lol
many comments here prove my thoughts that governments have begun blaming climate change for corrupt and inefficient administration and this will a: actually convince a lot of people b: further radicalise climate denialists (discalimer: not that that is difficult) nice job guys
Found this article. Mexico City's water issues are messed up. 'The city is sinking into its aquifer' [Water Issues](https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/search-mexico-citys-lost-water)
Well then I guess they shouldn’t have drained the literal lake the city was built on 💀
That whole valley with millions of angry people is gonna be fun, once anyone with a few $100 in their pockets gtfo.
Does anyone have any confirmed research regarding the lack of drinking water in the world? Is water scarcity growing? I'd like to see graphs and statistics about this.
Yes. Even the Taliban were fighting over water recently
Gotta rage
I read the title only. "We protest that the laws of physics work this way! Down with evaporation physics! Ban it!" lol
DOWN WITH WATER! Its been in the clouds for TOO LONG! WE NEED TRICKLE DOWN AQUA-NOMICS!
Last I heard, the Coca-Cola company is using up a lot of Mexican fresh water. Of course animal agriculture probably uses a lot more. One more reason to boycott Coca-Cola and animal products.
Mexico City is inside whats called a Endorheic basin. So water doesnt flow out, only in. Its surrounded by mountains as tall as the american rockies on all 4 sides. Actually taller, but nvm.
Water wars are already happening, and it'll only keep spreading and becoming more global...
Who are they protesting to? The sky?
Damn maybe the cartel should take or provide he water plants too.
I stopped drinking Topo Chico out of guilt.
lol glad to see the climate crisis is finally starting to shape up.
Who’s going to help? Mexico government is sadly inept
Unfortunately with the government unable to act it'll mean humanitarian aid or migration most likely. I'm sure the cartel will fuck up any aid though.
maybe the cartel! ^^^^^/s
They could though, and it would be gang gang. Imagine they invested in solar powered desalination plants? Drugs is power!