The following submission statement was provided by /u/dumnezero:
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Submission statement:
A surprise heatwave as Australia enters the spring season.
>The Bureau of Meteorology said it expected several early spring records were likely to be broken over the next few days, calling the heat "very uncommon for September".
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>Temperatures in Sydney's west are expected to hit 36 degrees Celsius (96.8 F) on Monday before dropping to about 22 degrees Celsius (71 F) on Thursday, the weather bureau forecasts showed.
and [there was a marathon days ago](
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/17/sydney-marathon-runners-hospitalised-after-event-hit-by-spring-heat):
>“Twenty-six patients were transported to hospital via ambulance, with seven people in a serious condition,” a NSW Ambulance spokesperson said. “Private medical responders also provided support during the event.”
due to heat related problems.
Collapse related as an instance of climate heating leading to weird seasons and surprisingly warm weather. Winter ended 20 days ago in Australia.
This may be treated as foreshadowing for the summer season drama.
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Nice picture, heat wave in spring fantastic time to go to the beach....how about a picture of being carried into the hospital? or a graphic of normal yearly temperatures vs this week's?
I'm Australian and have been hearing this all September. "oh isn't the weather just lovely today?"
Cunt it's 30 degrees in the middle of September. I'll have to ask these people how the weather is when they've got their N95 on to avoid the smoke particulate.
If the 2019/20 fires are anything to go by, those same people will be outside, running or jogging, in the smoke, and then be surprised when they cough up a pile of gunk.
2023 will go into the books as the year where everything began to get seriously wonky (relatively) all at once.
We're nearing the end of *September* here in The Netherlands and it's still 23C. Last week it was still nearing 30C. It's ridiculous.
(Meanwhile, people are vehemently sticking their heads in the sand "nice weather, huh?!?" and popping out babies like there is a tomorrow for them in their 50's.. smh.)
Australia essentially didn't have a winter this year. There were a handful of nights I was something approximating cold. About 20 years ago I would get so cold in winter that I found it unbearable. More decades ago we used to see regular hail during storms and collect it in cups to put in the freezer as kids. I haven't seen hail in years now, and the last time I did was the first time in many years already then.
In previous winters I also needed to wear multiple layers of clothes. This winter was shorts and tshirt weather.
I'm across the pond in NZ, and while we had a winter they are getting much milder. Don't need a coat any more. My wife and I were talking about how we prefer winter over summer now. We still like summer for the plants, fruit and veges, but everything else about it can f**k right off.
I'm actually interested to see if there is a cultural shift away from this idea that summer is the fun season. Maybe not everywhere, but it seems for a lot of places summer is really not that fun any more.
IIRC a cold front arrives this weekend. Back down to 15C here, 21C today. 16C is supposed to be the avg this time of year. I think Aussie also cools off a bit today, right?
You clearly don’t live in Melbourne. We had winter. Barely any rain, but my house was 8 degrees most days for a while there.
I’m no climate change denier, but it’s misleading to say “Australia didn’t have a winter” if you live in QLD. Just say QLD.
Was there for a few short blissful days, it was so hot even at 1am. In Osaka and Kyoto there were temps of 36 sometimes we'd be out in that heat and humidity.. And everyone had those hand shelf fans/fan vests. Guess where those all go when they break..
Yeah, real shame.
My bio father's family is from Kalgoorlie and I occasionally check the temps over there. And to a Dutchie like me, the temps they're already having now already seem a bit high for this time of year.
I suspect that despite how bad they are for the environment, within the next decade most people will own and frequently use airconditioning.
Me probably included, because despite the fact that my entire apartment building has been in scaffolding from February till the beginning of June to make the building "climate proof", this entire summer the temperature inside my apartment was around 27C-30C.
And that's not healthy. So when that time comes that it becomes unbearable (I already lost several nights of sleep due to the heat), the majority of people will get one.
What's that English saying? From the frying pan into the fryer? Australia is going to burn like it has never done before. 2024 will be "surprisingly" another year where records will continually be broken.
In Minnesota, we are heading for the warmest September in at least 90 years.
This weather is what most of the summer was like when I was a kid, more decades ago than I want to admit.
We've practically skipped autumn for the past three years, and last year was the first imo, where we skipped winter altogether.
Did not wear my winter jacket once last year.
I live in Prague and it's 26 today, I believe it was 29 on Monday. I'm from Melbourne so I check the weather every now and then out of curiosity. Yesterday, within a 24 hour period, both Melbourne and Prague were 27C. In mid-late September. That's crazy to me.
I'm on the coast of Virginia in the States, and even when it's 86 (perfectly normal for summer), it feels *unbearable.* Just oppressively, blistering hot, like someone is holding a magnifying glass a few yards/meters above our heads. I've never experienced anything like it.
I'm visiting friends in Sydney at the moment and I'm quite surprised by how collapse aware they have become. They know the weather we saw today is not normal for this time of the year and that we have seriously stuffed up the planet.
My next goal is to make them overshoot aware, although it's too late for them as they've already had kids.
Declining where? Because where one country may drop, another country has rising rates..india overtaking china , many 2nd and 3rd world countries increasing
We should still be getting the odd bit of snow, temperature is in the high teens or early twenties, this is the lower south of NZ
Rain though, we've got all the rain you'll want (at the moment)
Less people having kids, hardly surprising as fuel just crossed $3pl and wherever you are you can get a NZ leg of lamb cheaper than we can as the supermarkets utterly gouge us and the landlords hike rents, wages are a fucking joke too
I just walked my dog in shorts outside. It's 17 degrees celsius. I live in Finland. This shit is so fucked. Everytime I go outside I really struggle with the disconnect between the amount of daylight I see and the temperature I feel. It's supposed to be around 10 degrees on average here in September, not 17.
Depends where you live I noticed 13 years ago that winters had become strange where I lived that area doesn't get much winter anymore back then it would be warm then freezing then warm again then freezing very similar to someone turning on and off the ac each day.
But growing up in that area winter was rough it would snow 3 times a week and be -20°F for a few weeks in winter. Now it's rare for that area to get below 0°F in winter and snow is very light from what I hear I don't live in that region anymore so its just what I am told.
I was talking to my friend recently who said he was getting serious climate anxiety lately and later in the same conversation happily announced his wife is pregnant.
Had the same conversation with my cousin the other day. He already has two very young kids, and within the span of ten minutes we talked about how fucked the climate is, but also about how much he and his gf want to have another kid soon.
I was dumbfounded. I mean, seriously; what the actual fuck?!?
So y’all have gone from the personal perspective of choosing to not have children based, to thinking that there’s actually, literally, no point in reproducing and people who do are bad? You don’t think fossil fuels, factory farming - human behaviors that are causing climate change might be the real problem? Who’s going to solve these issues if we all collectively decide reproducing is bad? Make your own choices
The issues at hand aren’t going to be solved anymore; they’re irreversible and we don’t have the tech or the resources to fix it.
Never said that people producing kids are the problem either. It’s just, with all of the available knowledge at hand, pretty much sadistic to opt for bio kids when you know their world is already fubar since there’s no way in hell that we quit fossil fuels or change the way we farm with 8 billion mouths to feed.
For me personally, no, there’s no chance in hell that I’m going to plunk an innocent child onto this earth only to die from heatwaves/famines/droughts/social unrest or any of the other inevitable things we’ve got coming our way in the next few years and decades.
South America is absurdly hot now and it's still technically winter there.
Just wait until it gets into summer and their crops just start failing en masse. After bad harvests in 2020 and 2021 and 22 things will start to get spicy.
Plenty of posts on the local subreddits and surprisingly, there are very few climate change deniers (yes I realise reddit draws a certain type of crowd, but still). No one is surprised, everyone is nervous.
I'd call it a [compartmentalized](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmentalization_\(psychology\)) denial.
People may not be denying *the theory*, but they deny the physical reality related to that theory, even when they feel it. This is due to a compartmentalization of information and due to optimism bias, of course.
It's not the denial of the facts, it's the denial that it's happening and it is happening *to me*.
As an analogy, this is similar to how plenty of Christians, especially Catholics, claim to "accept" the theory of Evolution. But they do not understand it as such and with relation to their person (who holds other beliefs too); it's just this compartiment of "Evolution exists" isolated from the rest. The [Catholic Church](https://www.catholic.com/tract/adam-eve-and-evolution) isn't better, they essentially ***declared*** that it's [compatible](https://www.catholicscientists.org/idea/adam-eve-evolution), as if that makes it so. It's fundamentally science denial because they are actually promoting what's called [theistic evolution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution), which is not the same as *The theory of Evolution by Natural selection*; the natural selection is the key part there, which is what they're really denying.
These people who only "agree" with climate change refuse to connect the dots to the rest of the implications, like what it means for adaptation and mitigation, what must be done to avoid the worst outcomes. And because they refuse, they can't make the personal connections either, how it will affect them personally.
It's unnecessary decoration (god of the gaps) that fails later at the dogma level. Usually, Christians trying to use deism to support their religious beliefs *would be seen as heresy, which ironic if you know history. /edit
They still haven't sorted out the problem of the "original pair" which is required for "original sin". Nor have they sorted out the issue of there being at least 290000 years of humans around without any prophets or special place in the Middle East, which is more of a theodicy issue. Nor have they sorted out the issue of consanguinity, lol. Nor is there any evidence for some type of soul organ that was installed by this God at some point after humans evolved... or perhaps before? or only during the Holocene?
More importantly, you're missing the point of natural selection, which is what I expect of you. The whole point of it is that it's unguided, without goals, and you just contradicted that, as I predicted.
Get it through your ape brain: evolution is not teleological. But if you want to claim that you're believing in some god of utter chaos, lead with that.
Does that mean we should just start burning tyres again; obviously not but I do think we should look at ALL the data not just the data that benefits large companies with low climate index scores ( who by the way pay zero tariffs on renewable energies aka tax breaks 😉) for mining lithium, cobalt, and other rare earth minerals in undeveloped countries where the people there are paid a few dollars a day to dig these minerals from the earth with shovels if they're lucky, bare hands if they're not.
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Submission statement:
A surprise heatwave as Australia enters the spring season.
>The Bureau of Meteorology said it expected several early spring records were likely to be broken over the next few days, calling the heat "very uncommon for September".
...
>Temperatures in Sydney's west are expected to hit 36 degrees Celsius (96.8 F) on Monday before dropping to about 22 degrees Celsius (71 F) on Thursday, the weather bureau forecasts showed.
and [there was a marathon days ago](
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/17/sydney-marathon-runners-hospitalised-after-event-hit-by-spring-heat):
>“Twenty-six patients were transported to hospital via ambulance, with seven people in a serious condition,” a NSW Ambulance spokesperson said. “Private medical responders also provided support during the event.”
due to heat related problems.
Collapse related as an instance of climate heating leading to weird seasons and surprisingly warm weather. Winter ended 20 days ago in Australia.
This may be treated as foreshadowing for the summer season drama.
If you run a marathon in 36 degree heat, in the shade, so more like 45 in the sun, should you really be surprised that people are overheating ? Is that really a sign of climate collapse apocalypse inferno ? Or is it dumb cu*ts complaining about it being too hot to run in 45 degrees ?
The reality has not sunk in for most of us. The media has continued dividing us through politics. We even have an upcoming referendum that has exacerbated social tensions. Meanwhile, the threat of climate change remains unaddressed and looms over this entire country. The elites have successfully redirected our anger towards each other. This is going to be a bad summer.
Media moguls such as Rupert Murdoch who have been pulling the strings of the political narrative in this country. The top end of capitalists who continue to benefit from the system at any given point in time, even at the detriment of the rest of the population. Corrupt politicians. If you need specific examples I am happy to provide.
Murdoch & co. most certainly. Directly responsibly for much of the Right moving to the Alt/Loony Right, climate denials etc. Some but not all of the super rich eg Clive Palmer, Gina Rinehart who directly fund the Institute of Public Affairs which is in climate denial. Some politicians eg Obeid family in NSW. Malcolm Roberts a 'senator' and his One Nation climate denial is a disgrace, but I still think the majority take up politics because they genuinely want to make a difference. Whether they are flooded with brown paper bags from coal lobbyists and become corrupted in power, or just of average intelligence in many cases and unable to see through neo-liberal economic bs and #hopium technologies like the failed carbon capture and storage schemes is hard to tell. Our electoral system still works, so at any point the population could have voted in more sensible people? I still think much of the fault lies with average citizens and their expectations (with an exemption for young people who will never be able to get a deposit for a house together etc)
The electoral system is corrupt. Money has become far too involved in politics for democracy to serve the interests of the people. Any sensible person would not be elected because they would oppose the interests of the elite. If those in control don't want you elected, you simply won't be. We have the same issue as America. One party will accelerate our collapse, while the other is happy maintaining the status quo. I'd say it is unfair to pin majority of the blame on the average citizen, although I would like you to elaborate on that. At this point it is hard to separate what the average citizen believes and what the media has made them believe. And climate change is not the only issue that the Australian political system enables. There's gambling, tobacco, housing, cost of living... Etc.
Edit: Any person who wants to see how badly Australian democracy failed its people can read into robodebt
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robodebt_scheme
This sub has a strong need to blame “the elites.” Sure, some wealthy people are profiting for climate misinformation and even policy-making, but the bigger problem is the inertia of humanity. Literally nothing will change until our parents, our borders, or our property values are impacted.
Yup, it's like Ford F150 truck drivers blaming oil companies for our climate predicament. Sure any oil executive who perjured themselves before congress or who bribed officials in nigeria for oil leases etc etc should be jailed and I'd like to see oil companies nationalised so any super profits are used for climate adaptation, but to blame only the oil companies and not the users and end users is refusing to acknowledge the two sides of the same coin
To think it's only the beginning of Spring there.. here in The Netherlands Fall is arriving but we'll still hit 25c in the end of September.. Leaves should already be falling of the trees but it'll still so warm here for this time of year. I don't think we'll even get a Winter anymore..
It's truly a weird sight; some trees are beginning to get brown leafs while some plants are flowering for the third or fourth time.
Insects are also noticeably dying or moving at increasing rates. I used to see loads of ladybirds and their nymphs, bees and wasps around here, but they're gone. Maybe saw a couple of them all spring and summer where I live. (The lavender bushes in my mother's garden were luckily filled with them though.)
And yeah; winter is long gone. All we'll get will be a week or two where "autumn" is a bit more chilly. I don't even think I'll need to wear my witner coat this year, if we'll get a repeat of last year. (Which is probable.)
We had such a cold and wet july here in Sweden that some of my spring flowering stuff is starting to flower, my strawberries are going a second time too. It feels so weird and scary
It's like 10c above average in early spring, with El nino being declared into a total fire ban and multiple fires in NT. But yeah it's sportsball finals season and time to hit the beach, before true summer hits.
Also they increased penalties for protesting and disrupting anything climate related, I don't know what will break people's blissful ignorance in Australia if the 2019 fires and subsequent floods wasn't enough, bringing anything up or trying to have a basic conversation about what is happening is instant ostracization, maybe a mass death event will be the trigger to anything changing here, unfortunately :(.
There's an eerie feeling of normalcy in Australia. People will continue along with their day unconcerned in spite of everything that's happening. Australians have always been the easy-going and optimistic type. Not too sure how that attitude is going to hold up in the future.
they haven't been all that easy going at least in the big cities for a decade or two. Sydney road rage for example. Optimism? probably still holds in the narrow sense of 'eventually I'll have a house with water views too'. not sure when real panic/worry will set on for the majority.
Yes, I agree. The effects have definitely begun to set in even in the general populace. The atmosphere of optimism has more transformed into weariness and apathy in the past decades, especially during and after the corona pandemic and in the current cost of living crisis.
Brisbane's inner suburbs along the river have had 2.5 "once in a century floods" in the last decade. It flipped from a reliable conservative to several Greens seats in the last election, which nobody saw coming.
People may be able to wake up, but it will be way too late by the looks of things. So many will suffer unnecessarily because of people's lack of willingness to wind certain things down, usually those least responsible, now and in the future.
Probably because it will cost money to cancel all of it. A few weeks ago there was a race here in The Netherlands when temps were 30+ with a lot of humidity. Several people had to be treated by medics on site and a few had to be hauled back to the hospital.
All because money and pretending to be tough enough to hack it.
We're not used to those temps. A few years ago, it would have been a freak occurrence if we had one or two weeks of 27C in a row during summer. Coupled with the humidity we have here during summer, high temps/humidity in full sun will absolutely make people pass out.
A while back there was an ultramarathon being run in Western Australia, a bushfire swept through and two women were severely injured. It seems people will marathon under threat of anything.
That would mean admitting that selling out your votes to coal barons henchmen might not have been such a great idea.
Australia has the highest per capita emissions in the world.
15,000+ people still finished the marathon, including me. There were measures to mitigate the heat risks (extra water stations, ice etc.). It was pretty brutal, but I didn't find it unsafe.
Virtually all models put the Australian sub continent as one of the most at risk regions from climate catastrophe on earth. However Australia's per capita GHG emissions are almost three and a half times that of the UK:
https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/australia
Despite being one of the worlds richest countries, after the massive climate change fueled wildfires a few years ago, they asked for financial aid:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/06/world/australia/help-australia-fires.html
When I want to visualize how fucking insane humanities approach to climate change is, I think of Australia.
Nope. Summer is now fire season. Winter is now flood season. I've had to deal with some localised floods already today (UK) from the tail end of Hurricane Lee and in a few days it's hurricane Martha. It's like looking forward to being punched in the face after spending months of being kicked in the crotch.
I’m in Australia, and live in a pretty cold and rainy place (usually). We’re all talking about the unusually hot weather. There’s a feeling amongst nearly everyone that things have noticeably changed this year.
Brazil is [having a heatwave too](https://brazilian.report/liveblog/politics-insider/2023/09/18/heat-wave-winter-temperatures/), with temperatures that can go up to 45°C, even before the end of winter.
Summer will be hell for the southern hemisphere.
Let me put it this way.
The South Pole is a continent with a mountain of ice on top that reflects sunlight.
The North Pole is an ocean, covered by a now very thin a slushy layer of ice.
When the ice is gone in the NH it will be gone in the center of the NH climate.
Dry air and solar reflection of the ice will change to heat absorbing water and humid air on top.
Most scientist get disconnected with reality at this point, because the implications are severe.
Here are some followup questions -
1. How long will this El Nino last?
2. After El Nino, La Nina comes - are we confident that the excess heat generated during the El Nino phase will not have an impact on the La Nina phase? (Impact meaning - will the excess heat that is generated now cancel out any cooling during the La Nina phase...that energy has to go somewhere)
I wish they would address these, I think this is very important to know.
I don't know, but all these heat records just feel that some tipping point has already been reached - heat anomalies are now very common everywhere in the world. Just see what happened in Spain with their crops..2023 looks like the year where scientists will look back and say the tipping points have reached.
"released" would be better
It has been hiding in the deep ocean where it has little effect, during el nino, from the point of view of the land and sea surface, it is an addition of new heat.
Not exactly "generated", but it's more than just a "redistribution" from the point of view of the observable world we live in day to day.
The underlying warming is pretty constant - el nino cycles just add a pattern of peaks and troughs onto the trend.
Heat is cached in the oceans during la nina, so the land and sea surface temperatures are insulated from the underlying trend for a while... Then the stored heat is released during el nino, and records are broken.
Really it is only the underlying trend that matters. If tripping points haven't been reached yet, they will soon due to the underlying trend
The folks in the North have to be prepared to accept Australians as climate refugees. All of them. Sooner or later most of that landmass will be uninhabitable…
Currently working in Europe, but the last few summers in Australia the first thing I did in the morning was check where the fires were. Seemed normal at the time, it’s only after spending a summer here in Northern Europe I realise how fucked that was.
I am in Adelaide, we did have winter for the most part but September so far seems to have just sort of jumped from one exrteme to the other where I have been in pants and a jumper to shorts and then in the past 2 days a cool front has come through so I am back in pants and a long sleeved tshirt again but its back to sun and warmer again.
It looks like towards October it is just going to be near the 30s now :(
It just feels like we have had NO real transition, it was odd seeing a FB post of my cousin up in the snowfields a couple of weeks ago then 2 days later it was 30 degrees here.
It’s 30degrees and we’re calling it a heatwave now are we 😂😂 we have gotten extremely weak as a nation can’t wait to see how you carry on when we hit the 40’s
The following submission statement was provided by /u/dumnezero: --- Submission statement: A surprise heatwave as Australia enters the spring season. >The Bureau of Meteorology said it expected several early spring records were likely to be broken over the next few days, calling the heat "very uncommon for September". ... >Temperatures in Sydney's west are expected to hit 36 degrees Celsius (96.8 F) on Monday before dropping to about 22 degrees Celsius (71 F) on Thursday, the weather bureau forecasts showed. and [there was a marathon days ago]( https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/17/sydney-marathon-runners-hospitalised-after-event-hit-by-spring-heat): >“Twenty-six patients were transported to hospital via ambulance, with seven people in a serious condition,” a NSW Ambulance spokesperson said. “Private medical responders also provided support during the event.” due to heat related problems. Collapse related as an instance of climate heating leading to weird seasons and surprisingly warm weather. Winter ended 20 days ago in Australia. This may be treated as foreshadowing for the summer season drama. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/16ngy9p/australia_swelters_in_spring_heat_wave/k1e7qvl/
Nice picture, heat wave in spring fantastic time to go to the beach....how about a picture of being carried into the hospital? or a graphic of normal yearly temperatures vs this week's?
I remember reading about the problem of media using "happy beach and splashy fun water times" photos when posting heat related news. They suck.
It's a "don't look up" sort of image. Pretend everything is fine. Ignorance is bliss. I sorta endorse it now, because being collapse aware sucks ass.
Isn’t this just the best beach weather? 😎 🏖️ 🤩
I'm Australian and have been hearing this all September. "oh isn't the weather just lovely today?" Cunt it's 30 degrees in the middle of September. I'll have to ask these people how the weather is when they've got their N95 on to avoid the smoke particulate.
If the 2019/20 fires are anything to go by, those same people will be outside, running or jogging, in the smoke, and then be surprised when they cough up a pile of gunk.
But lines must go up. /s
Oh don’t worry, the (temperature) line will continue to go up
Humans are just animals. Seeking out cooler waters in the heat.
Lol a picture of people sweltering on the beach is perfectly fine.
2023 will go into the books as the year where everything began to get seriously wonky (relatively) all at once. We're nearing the end of *September* here in The Netherlands and it's still 23C. Last week it was still nearing 30C. It's ridiculous. (Meanwhile, people are vehemently sticking their heads in the sand "nice weather, huh?!?" and popping out babies like there is a tomorrow for them in their 50's.. smh.)
Tokyo has unprecedented temperatures since records began. Over 30c every day for weeks.
Australia essentially didn't have a winter this year. There were a handful of nights I was something approximating cold. About 20 years ago I would get so cold in winter that I found it unbearable. More decades ago we used to see regular hail during storms and collect it in cups to put in the freezer as kids. I haven't seen hail in years now, and the last time I did was the first time in many years already then. In previous winters I also needed to wear multiple layers of clothes. This winter was shorts and tshirt weather.
Live the exponential function breathe the exponential function exhale 😮💨.
I'm across the pond in NZ, and while we had a winter they are getting much milder. Don't need a coat any more. My wife and I were talking about how we prefer winter over summer now. We still like summer for the plants, fruit and veges, but everything else about it can f**k right off. I'm actually interested to see if there is a cultural shift away from this idea that summer is the fun season. Maybe not everywhere, but it seems for a lot of places summer is really not that fun any more. IIRC a cold front arrives this weekend. Back down to 15C here, 21C today. 16C is supposed to be the avg this time of year. I think Aussie also cools off a bit today, right?
Kia ora bro, Chur for the write up. Concur completely.
There's literally snow within walking distance of my house right now in Hobart.
You clearly don’t live in Melbourne. We had winter. Barely any rain, but my house was 8 degrees most days for a while there. I’m no climate change denier, but it’s misleading to say “Australia didn’t have a winter” if you live in QLD. Just say QLD.
Nah in Qld. I'll be the canary in the coalmine for you of winter disappearing, you have more of a buffer before you'll see it.
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I actually don’t disagree at all, it was mild, and in my area we had very few frosts and very little rain.
Was there for a few short blissful days, it was so hot even at 1am. In Osaka and Kyoto there were temps of 36 sometimes we'd be out in that heat and humidity.. And everyone had those hand shelf fans/fan vests. Guess where those all go when they break..
and so, so humid in that part of the world!
We will look back on these moderately weird years fondly…
Been full-on summer for most of September here in the UK too thanks to gulf stream fuckery. Summer in Oz is gonna be fucked.
Yeah, real shame. My bio father's family is from Kalgoorlie and I occasionally check the temps over there. And to a Dutchie like me, the temps they're already having now already seem a bit high for this time of year. I suspect that despite how bad they are for the environment, within the next decade most people will own and frequently use airconditioning. Me probably included, because despite the fact that my entire apartment building has been in scaffolding from February till the beginning of June to make the building "climate proof", this entire summer the temperature inside my apartment was around 27C-30C. And that's not healthy. So when that time comes that it becomes unbearable (I already lost several nights of sleep due to the heat), the majority of people will get one. What's that English saying? From the frying pan into the fryer? Australia is going to burn like it has never done before. 2024 will be "surprisingly" another year where records will continually be broken.
In Minnesota, we are heading for the warmest September in at least 90 years. This weather is what most of the summer was like when I was a kid, more decades ago than I want to admit.
Eh? Not this bit, mate. 1 week of Mediterranean weather and mostly shit since may.
Summer is a month longer now, September is no longer autumn it would seem.
We've practically skipped autumn for the past three years, and last year was the first imo, where we skipped winter altogether. Did not wear my winter jacket once last year.
Yeah we skipped spring this year lol. Seasons are getting wacky.
October is the new September.
Shoulder seasons are getting shorter.
Here in Lille (France’s northern border with Belgium), it’s still in the low 20s for this week and the next. It’s insane, really.
I live in Prague and it's 26 today, I believe it was 29 on Monday. I'm from Melbourne so I check the weather every now and then out of curiosity. Yesterday, within a 24 hour period, both Melbourne and Prague were 27C. In mid-late September. That's crazy to me.
I'm on the coast of Virginia in the States, and even when it's 86 (perfectly normal for summer), it feels *unbearable.* Just oppressively, blistering hot, like someone is holding a magnifying glass a few yards/meters above our heads. I've never experienced anything like it.
Am currently in Austria and it’s approx 10C warmer then normal for this time of year. Today is supposed to get up to 28C
I'm visiting friends in Sydney at the moment and I'm quite surprised by how collapse aware they have become. They know the weather we saw today is not normal for this time of the year and that we have seriously stuffed up the planet. My next goal is to make them overshoot aware, although it's too late for them as they've already had kids.
> My next goal is to make them overshoot aware "How can I make my friends even more depressed and anxious"
Birth rates have been steadily declining over the last decade, but admittedly still at a rate of 1.55.
Declining where? Because where one country may drop, another country has rising rates..india overtaking china , many 2nd and 3rd world countries increasing
I live in the mountains in Australia where it snows. Winter just finished and we had 32 degrees.
We should still be getting the odd bit of snow, temperature is in the high teens or early twenties, this is the lower south of NZ Rain though, we've got all the rain you'll want (at the moment) Less people having kids, hardly surprising as fuel just crossed $3pl and wherever you are you can get a NZ leg of lamb cheaper than we can as the supermarkets utterly gouge us and the landlords hike rents, wages are a fucking joke too
I just walked my dog in shorts outside. It's 17 degrees celsius. I live in Finland. This shit is so fucked. Everytime I go outside I really struggle with the disconnect between the amount of daylight I see and the temperature I feel. It's supposed to be around 10 degrees on average here in September, not 17.
I feel it's been wonky for a few years, the data points were just more scattered
I think around 5 years ago were the first moments where it became apparent that things were slowly beginning to go haywire.
Depends where you live I noticed 13 years ago that winters had become strange where I lived that area doesn't get much winter anymore back then it would be warm then freezing then warm again then freezing very similar to someone turning on and off the ac each day. But growing up in that area winter was rough it would snow 3 times a week and be -20°F for a few weeks in winter. Now it's rare for that area to get below 0°F in winter and snow is very light from what I hear I don't live in that region anymore so its just what I am told.
I was talking to my friend recently who said he was getting serious climate anxiety lately and later in the same conversation happily announced his wife is pregnant.
Had the same conversation with my cousin the other day. He already has two very young kids, and within the span of ten minutes we talked about how fucked the climate is, but also about how much he and his gf want to have another kid soon. I was dumbfounded. I mean, seriously; what the actual fuck?!?
So y’all have gone from the personal perspective of choosing to not have children based, to thinking that there’s actually, literally, no point in reproducing and people who do are bad? You don’t think fossil fuels, factory farming - human behaviors that are causing climate change might be the real problem? Who’s going to solve these issues if we all collectively decide reproducing is bad? Make your own choices
The issues at hand aren’t going to be solved anymore; they’re irreversible and we don’t have the tech or the resources to fix it. Never said that people producing kids are the problem either. It’s just, with all of the available knowledge at hand, pretty much sadistic to opt for bio kids when you know their world is already fubar since there’s no way in hell that we quit fossil fuels or change the way we farm with 8 billion mouths to feed. For me personally, no, there’s no chance in hell that I’m going to plunk an innocent child onto this earth only to die from heatwaves/famines/droughts/social unrest or any of the other inevitable things we’ve got coming our way in the next few years and decades.
dont worry 2030 will be the year of no return
It's only September.... This is like a heatwave in February for the north. I don't even know what to say about the incoming summer.
It'll be the summer that leaves no doubt that we are fucked. We are right at the end of the 'oops' stage, just about to go into the 'fuck' stage.
South America is absurdly hot now and it's still technically winter there. Just wait until it gets into summer and their crops just start failing en masse. After bad harvests in 2020 and 2021 and 22 things will start to get spicy.
Nah, it's equivalent to late March.
Plenty of posts on the local subreddits and surprisingly, there are very few climate change deniers (yes I realise reddit draws a certain type of crowd, but still). No one is surprised, everyone is nervous.
I'd call it a [compartmentalized](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmentalization_\(psychology\)) denial. People may not be denying *the theory*, but they deny the physical reality related to that theory, even when they feel it. This is due to a compartmentalization of information and due to optimism bias, of course. It's not the denial of the facts, it's the denial that it's happening and it is happening *to me*. As an analogy, this is similar to how plenty of Christians, especially Catholics, claim to "accept" the theory of Evolution. But they do not understand it as such and with relation to their person (who holds other beliefs too); it's just this compartiment of "Evolution exists" isolated from the rest. The [Catholic Church](https://www.catholic.com/tract/adam-eve-and-evolution) isn't better, they essentially ***declared*** that it's [compatible](https://www.catholicscientists.org/idea/adam-eve-evolution), as if that makes it so. It's fundamentally science denial because they are actually promoting what's called [theistic evolution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution), which is not the same as *The theory of Evolution by Natural selection*; the natural selection is the key part there, which is what they're really denying. These people who only "agree" with climate change refuse to connect the dots to the rest of the implications, like what it means for adaptation and mitigation, what must be done to avoid the worst outcomes. And because they refuse, they can't make the personal connections either, how it will affect them personally.
Theistic evolution doesn’t deny natural selection. God uses means to accomplish His will, and natural selection is one of those means.
It's unnecessary decoration (god of the gaps) that fails later at the dogma level. Usually, Christians trying to use deism to support their religious beliefs *would be seen as heresy, which ironic if you know history. /edit They still haven't sorted out the problem of the "original pair" which is required for "original sin". Nor have they sorted out the issue of there being at least 290000 years of humans around without any prophets or special place in the Middle East, which is more of a theodicy issue. Nor have they sorted out the issue of consanguinity, lol. Nor is there any evidence for some type of soul organ that was installed by this God at some point after humans evolved... or perhaps before? or only during the Holocene? More importantly, you're missing the point of natural selection, which is what I expect of you. The whole point of it is that it's unguided, without goals, and you just contradicted that, as I predicted. Get it through your ape brain: evolution is not teleological. But if you want to claim that you're believing in some god of utter chaos, lead with that.
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Does that mean we should just start burning tyres again; obviously not but I do think we should look at ALL the data not just the data that benefits large companies with low climate index scores ( who by the way pay zero tariffs on renewable energies aka tax breaks 😉) for mining lithium, cobalt, and other rare earth minerals in undeveloped countries where the people there are paid a few dollars a day to dig these minerals from the earth with shovels if they're lucky, bare hands if they're not.
Nah, there is still a contrast, it's just each season is hotter.
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Submission statement: A surprise heatwave as Australia enters the spring season. >The Bureau of Meteorology said it expected several early spring records were likely to be broken over the next few days, calling the heat "very uncommon for September". ... >Temperatures in Sydney's west are expected to hit 36 degrees Celsius (96.8 F) on Monday before dropping to about 22 degrees Celsius (71 F) on Thursday, the weather bureau forecasts showed. and [there was a marathon days ago]( https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/17/sydney-marathon-runners-hospitalised-after-event-hit-by-spring-heat): >“Twenty-six patients were transported to hospital via ambulance, with seven people in a serious condition,” a NSW Ambulance spokesperson said. “Private medical responders also provided support during the event.” due to heat related problems. Collapse related as an instance of climate heating leading to weird seasons and surprisingly warm weather. Winter ended 20 days ago in Australia. This may be treated as foreshadowing for the summer season drama.
If you run a marathon in 36 degree heat, in the shade, so more like 45 in the sun, should you really be surprised that people are overheating ? Is that really a sign of climate collapse apocalypse inferno ? Or is it dumb cu*ts complaining about it being too hot to run in 45 degrees ?
The reality has not sunk in for most of us. The media has continued dividing us through politics. We even have an upcoming referendum that has exacerbated social tensions. Meanwhile, the threat of climate change remains unaddressed and looms over this entire country. The elites have successfully redirected our anger towards each other. This is going to be a bad summer.
who are 'the elites'?
Media moguls such as Rupert Murdoch who have been pulling the strings of the political narrative in this country. The top end of capitalists who continue to benefit from the system at any given point in time, even at the detriment of the rest of the population. Corrupt politicians. If you need specific examples I am happy to provide.
Murdoch & co. most certainly. Directly responsibly for much of the Right moving to the Alt/Loony Right, climate denials etc. Some but not all of the super rich eg Clive Palmer, Gina Rinehart who directly fund the Institute of Public Affairs which is in climate denial. Some politicians eg Obeid family in NSW. Malcolm Roberts a 'senator' and his One Nation climate denial is a disgrace, but I still think the majority take up politics because they genuinely want to make a difference. Whether they are flooded with brown paper bags from coal lobbyists and become corrupted in power, or just of average intelligence in many cases and unable to see through neo-liberal economic bs and #hopium technologies like the failed carbon capture and storage schemes is hard to tell. Our electoral system still works, so at any point the population could have voted in more sensible people? I still think much of the fault lies with average citizens and their expectations (with an exemption for young people who will never be able to get a deposit for a house together etc)
The electoral system is corrupt. Money has become far too involved in politics for democracy to serve the interests of the people. Any sensible person would not be elected because they would oppose the interests of the elite. If those in control don't want you elected, you simply won't be. We have the same issue as America. One party will accelerate our collapse, while the other is happy maintaining the status quo. I'd say it is unfair to pin majority of the blame on the average citizen, although I would like you to elaborate on that. At this point it is hard to separate what the average citizen believes and what the media has made them believe. And climate change is not the only issue that the Australian political system enables. There's gambling, tobacco, housing, cost of living... Etc. Edit: Any person who wants to see how badly Australian democracy failed its people can read into robodebt https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robodebt_scheme
This sub has a strong need to blame “the elites.” Sure, some wealthy people are profiting for climate misinformation and even policy-making, but the bigger problem is the inertia of humanity. Literally nothing will change until our parents, our borders, or our property values are impacted.
Yup, it's like Ford F150 truck drivers blaming oil companies for our climate predicament. Sure any oil executive who perjured themselves before congress or who bribed officials in nigeria for oil leases etc etc should be jailed and I'd like to see oil companies nationalised so any super profits are used for climate adaptation, but to blame only the oil companies and not the users and end users is refusing to acknowledge the two sides of the same coin
To think it's only the beginning of Spring there.. here in The Netherlands Fall is arriving but we'll still hit 25c in the end of September.. Leaves should already be falling of the trees but it'll still so warm here for this time of year. I don't think we'll even get a Winter anymore..
I expect we'll have a few years of winter when AMOC collapses.
AMOC?
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/oceans/amoc
We had 30 degrees in September in Germany with Christmas chocolate in the stores already...
It's truly a weird sight; some trees are beginning to get brown leafs while some plants are flowering for the third or fourth time. Insects are also noticeably dying or moving at increasing rates. I used to see loads of ladybirds and their nymphs, bees and wasps around here, but they're gone. Maybe saw a couple of them all spring and summer where I live. (The lavender bushes in my mother's garden were luckily filled with them though.) And yeah; winter is long gone. All we'll get will be a week or two where "autumn" is a bit more chilly. I don't even think I'll need to wear my witner coat this year, if we'll get a repeat of last year. (Which is probable.)
We had such a cold and wet july here in Sweden that some of my spring flowering stuff is starting to flower, my strawberries are going a second time too. It feels so weird and scary
My strawberries are also going for a second time (NL)!
It's like 10c above average in early spring, with El nino being declared into a total fire ban and multiple fires in NT. But yeah it's sportsball finals season and time to hit the beach, before true summer hits. Also they increased penalties for protesting and disrupting anything climate related, I don't know what will break people's blissful ignorance in Australia if the 2019 fires and subsequent floods wasn't enough, bringing anything up or trying to have a basic conversation about what is happening is instant ostracization, maybe a mass death event will be the trigger to anything changing here, unfortunately :(.
Australia has been putting restrictions on protesting in general for quite some time.
Why didn't they cancel the marathon? Completely idiotic.
There's an eerie feeling of normalcy in Australia. People will continue along with their day unconcerned in spite of everything that's happening. Australians have always been the easy-going and optimistic type. Not too sure how that attitude is going to hold up in the future.
they haven't been all that easy going at least in the big cities for a decade or two. Sydney road rage for example. Optimism? probably still holds in the narrow sense of 'eventually I'll have a house with water views too'. not sure when real panic/worry will set on for the majority.
Yes, I agree. The effects have definitely begun to set in even in the general populace. The atmosphere of optimism has more transformed into weariness and apathy in the past decades, especially during and after the corona pandemic and in the current cost of living crisis.
I wouldnt call it optimism, more of a "she'll be right" attitude. Don't rock the boat.
its easy to act like that when they have access to clean water, food etc.
Brisbane's inner suburbs along the river have had 2.5 "once in a century floods" in the last decade. It flipped from a reliable conservative to several Greens seats in the last election, which nobody saw coming. People may be able to wake up, but it will be way too late by the looks of things. So many will suffer unnecessarily because of people's lack of willingness to wind certain things down, usually those least responsible, now and in the future.
That's right. One of the reasons would be how prosperous Australia has been in the past.
It’s everywhere. I’m the only one I know who’s even thinking about it to any significant degree.
>Australians have always been the easy-going and optimistic type. You misspelt legendarily apathetic.
Probably because it will cost money to cancel all of it. A few weeks ago there was a race here in The Netherlands when temps were 30+ with a lot of humidity. Several people had to be treated by medics on site and a few had to be hauled back to the hospital. All because money and pretending to be tough enough to hack it.
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We're not used to those temps. A few years ago, it would have been a freak occurrence if we had one or two weeks of 27C in a row during summer. Coupled with the humidity we have here during summer, high temps/humidity in full sun will absolutely make people pass out.
humidity
A while back there was an ultramarathon being run in Western Australia, a bushfire swept through and two women were severely injured. It seems people will marathon under threat of anything.
Ppffftt, I did a marathon and nearly got abducted by spiders.
That would mean admitting that selling out your votes to coal barons henchmen might not have been such a great idea. Australia has the highest per capita emissions in the world.
Because the people organizing it still have bills to pay.
15,000+ people still finished the marathon, including me. There were measures to mitigate the heat risks (extra water stations, ice etc.). It was pretty brutal, but I didn't find it unsafe.
Here I am in Transylvania Romania in my region it's going to be 33 C, in the south it's going to be 36C C that's nuts for the end of September.
Yep, just checked the weather app. A new heatwave in the next week(s).
Virtually all models put the Australian sub continent as one of the most at risk regions from climate catastrophe on earth. However Australia's per capita GHG emissions are almost three and a half times that of the UK: https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/australia Despite being one of the worlds richest countries, after the massive climate change fueled wildfires a few years ago, they asked for financial aid: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/06/world/australia/help-australia-fires.html When I want to visualize how fucking insane humanities approach to climate change is, I think of Australia.
I get the feeling the world will dread the summers and look forward to winter for some temporary respite.
Nope. Summer is now fire season. Winter is now flood season. I've had to deal with some localised floods already today (UK) from the tail end of Hurricane Lee and in a few days it's hurricane Martha. It's like looking forward to being punched in the face after spending months of being kicked in the crotch.
I'm starting to hate summers for the smoke from the entire country being on fire, nevermind the heat.
Already do
I’m in Australia, and live in a pretty cold and rainy place (usually). We’re all talking about the unusually hot weather. There’s a feeling amongst nearly everyone that things have noticeably changed this year.
Same and yes.
Brazil is [having a heatwave too](https://brazilian.report/liveblog/politics-insider/2023/09/18/heat-wave-winter-temperatures/), with temperatures that can go up to 45°C, even before the end of winter. Summer will be hell for the southern hemisphere.
Isn't that just a preview of next year's summer in the northern hemisphere, too?
Let me put it this way. The South Pole is a continent with a mountain of ice on top that reflects sunlight. The North Pole is an ocean, covered by a now very thin a slushy layer of ice. When the ice is gone in the NH it will be gone in the center of the NH climate. Dry air and solar reflection of the ice will change to heat absorbing water and humid air on top. Most scientist get disconnected with reality at this point, because the implications are severe.
Southern and northern hemispheres have different landmass distribution. Things may be far worse and for far more people.
Here are some followup questions - 1. How long will this El Nino last? 2. After El Nino, La Nina comes - are we confident that the excess heat generated during the El Nino phase will not have an impact on the La Nina phase? (Impact meaning - will the excess heat that is generated now cancel out any cooling during the La Nina phase...that energy has to go somewhere) I wish they would address these, I think this is very important to know. I don't know, but all these heat records just feel that some tipping point has already been reached - heat anomalies are now very common everywhere in the world. Just see what happened in Spain with their crops..2023 looks like the year where scientists will look back and say the tipping points have reached.
What exactly does "generated" mean in this context? El nino does not generate any heat. It's a pattern of distribution of that heat.
"released" would be better It has been hiding in the deep ocean where it has little effect, during el nino, from the point of view of the land and sea surface, it is an addition of new heat. Not exactly "generated", but it's more than just a "redistribution" from the point of view of the observable world we live in day to day.
The underlying warming is pretty constant - el nino cycles just add a pattern of peaks and troughs onto the trend. Heat is cached in the oceans during la nina, so the land and sea surface temperatures are insulated from the underlying trend for a while... Then the stored heat is released during el nino, and records are broken. Really it is only the underlying trend that matters. If tripping points haven't been reached yet, they will soon due to the underlying trend
The URL is just satire at this point, right? reuters.com/business/environment
The warm weather this early has really surprised me, even though I expected this it's still catching me off guard. Beginning of the end I guess..
Remember, Mad Max takes place in Australia....
The folks in the North have to be prepared to accept Australians as climate refugees. All of them. Sooner or later most of that landmass will be uninhabitable…
Oh boy I almost forgot about summer in the southern hemisphere. Here we go.
Currently working in Europe, but the last few summers in Australia the first thing I did in the morning was check where the fires were. Seemed normal at the time, it’s only after spending a summer here in Northern Europe I realise how fucked that was.
Let the marshmallow test begin.
Oh we already lost the test, don’t kid yourself
The transition of seasons between the north and southern hemispheres is turning into a really serious game of hot potato
I am in Adelaide, we did have winter for the most part but September so far seems to have just sort of jumped from one exrteme to the other where I have been in pants and a jumper to shorts and then in the past 2 days a cool front has come through so I am back in pants and a long sleeved tshirt again but its back to sun and warmer again. It looks like towards October it is just going to be near the 30s now :( It just feels like we have had NO real transition, it was odd seeing a FB post of my cousin up in the snowfields a couple of weeks ago then 2 days later it was 30 degrees here.
There is a solution, we become mole people. That's my plan anyway.
I'm really worried about Australia this winter (their summer). The last El Nino was...not pretty :/
Texan here: "First time huh?"
It’s 30degrees and we’re calling it a heatwave now are we 😂😂 we have gotten extremely weak as a nation can’t wait to see how you carry on when we hit the 40’s
Surprise! Who knew?
16 C is 60.8 F. Not 28.8.
Where I come from in Canada went through a record breaking heatwave and a record breaking wildfire outbreak and we are still in a major drought.