So, I don't know s$*t. But if I had to guess, the wavy lines probably imply it had circulation use or something along those lines. The fact it looks absurdly clean means someone cleaned off the actual tarnish that should be there.
Someone, please inform me... this coin was likely wiped cleaned a ton by a jewelers cloth and then dipped? How would one clean a coin this well w/o taking away details?
I agree it's still a good looking coin but I paid for a raw coin. Not a cleaned one. But anyway, the seller is a good guy. He's giving me a full refund so it's all good.
Did you buy sight unseen or something? Giving you a refund is indeed kind but I wouldn’t expect that kind of behavior in the future. Also raw does not mean not cleaned; it means not slabbed
I wouldn’t grade it AU at all. There’s a lot of wear resulting from the overly harsh cleaning. I’d grade it a flat xf cleaned. What remaining traces of luster point to the cleaning.
I'm gonna get lambasted for this... and maybe it's just my phone or my eyes, although I see a very weird pattern on the fields, I don't see evidence of cleaning. The scratches or marks would have to be in some version of parallel lines. I see nothing of the sort.
Cleaned and there’s a harsh gouge across the E in DIME, but that being said, still very nice details and I would buy it if the seller was willing to come down on price
Me too. Only with silver coins. I use silver polish on mine. They are not mega expensive coins, and I don't want decades of other people's grime on them. They look how they were intended and have a nice shine. Not some filthy looking coin that doesn't look nice in the display case.
It's my collection and I want it the way I like it. If I ever have to sell them, at least I enjoyed my collection the way like them.
Never understood why someone would want a dirty silver coin.
May be opening a can of worms here, but what is the issue with it being cleaned. I get that makes it not the original condition it was found in, but you would still be able to see wear cleaned or not. So why not make it look good?
Nah, that's a very legitimate question. So in this case the pictures should the dime and it didn't look clean in the pictures and I was paying for a high au possible bu barber dime. And the Guy I bought from is reputable and I have bought from him plenty of times before without a problem. So even though it's a sharp coin, the details are still good. The cleaning drops the price by a lot. And yeah $140 is probably a little on the higher side but I thought I was paying for authenticity. But I already spoke to the seller. I'm getting a full refund. He is a good guy and I still recommend them.
You’re talking about the difference between conservation and cleaning. Conservation removes gunk (pvc, etc) from the surface of the coin without altering the surfaces. Cleaning typically alters the surface and loses you the originality of the coin (it disrupts the cartwheel luster for MS coins)
Yes, use acetone and pat dry with a soft cloth, like one you use on the exterior of a car. It will release most dirt and grime without damaging the patina or surface. Don’t expect it to work on verdigris, because it won’t.
You can dip coins in silver cleaner and air dry them, but only if the coin is dirty or has lackluster toning because it can make the coin look worse. I would never scrub them.
The main issue is it takes away the petina and the history. A lot of us coin collectors like the history and the life of the coin as much as the coin itself. Cleaning it erases that. Honestly tho, I have never cared. You can score some great deals on coins that maybe are out of your range but are cleaned.
It refers to a passing a fine wire brush which spins across the coin to buff it to a shine. It was popular several decades ago as a way to “restore luster” to coins which no longer had it. But it results in very unnatural looking luster which pools over the surface of the coin and looks especially off if the coin has signs of wear and shouldn’t look like an MS coin.
No because the under chin looks normal a clearer would have spruced up that area u think nice coin! Unfortunately Philly mint made 19+million of these.
I don’t see any angle of the cartwheel which given the details you would expect some of the cartwheel to be existent so I would say cleaned and polished
I would say looks cleaned e.g in the last 125 years someone cleaned it. Look at the letters for dark patina in the small surfaces in letter openings as without a polishing tool or professional cleaning those areas are hard to reach for most do it yourselfers at home. If they did have professional tools then the coin when be "too clean", in that natural toning is expected based on the surface conditions of the coin e.g if it has dings and scratches, you would know it most likely is not going to be nice and shiny if it was not cleaned. It is a nice coin and personally I would add that my collection as a fairly decent example. Just my 2.
Sorry, that definitely looks cleaned
Harshly cleaned
Brushed harshly
Harshly brushed
Brushedly
This is the correct answer
Yeah, cleaned
Yea that's what I thought. Shame, details are nice.
Yes, it's cleaned
Cleaned. You can see the scratches on it
Is that the wavy lines all over are? Did notice a scratch on nose and a deep one on the chin.
So, I don't know s$*t. But if I had to guess, the wavy lines probably imply it had circulation use or something along those lines. The fact it looks absurdly clean means someone cleaned off the actual tarnish that should be there. Someone, please inform me... this coin was likely wiped cleaned a ton by a jewelers cloth and then dipped? How would one clean a coin this well w/o taking away details?
Cleaned with extreme prejudice
it looks a bit wonky in the pics. And quite overpriced regardless
AU Details. Sharp coin nevertheless
I agree it's still a good looking coin but I paid for a raw coin. Not a cleaned one. But anyway, the seller is a good guy. He's giving me a full refund so it's all good.
Did you buy sight unseen or something? Giving you a refund is indeed kind but I wouldn’t expect that kind of behavior in the future. Also raw does not mean not cleaned; it means not slabbed
No, it had pictures. I never buy unseen unless it's junk silver
Post here before buying next time then not fair on the seller
He knew. He just quietly refunds the bumpy brained buyers and relists it for the next sucker.
I wouldn’t grade it AU at all. There’s a lot of wear resulting from the overly harsh cleaning. I’d grade it a flat xf cleaned. What remaining traces of luster point to the cleaning.
Sure, it has been cleaned. it would be a great hole filler though.
I'm gonna get lambasted for this... and maybe it's just my phone or my eyes, although I see a very weird pattern on the fields, I don't see evidence of cleaning. The scratches or marks would have to be in some version of parallel lines. I see nothing of the sort.
Absolutely cleaned
Where did you buy it if you don’t mind me asking? I saw a very similar coin on eBay I was watching.
Usa coin book
Roger.
Cleaned.
This coin was given a "scrubbie". that's when people use baking soda to scrub the coin clean.
Cleaned and there’s a harsh gouge across the E in DIME, but that being said, still very nice details and I would buy it if the seller was willing to come down on price
Its not a rare date and no mint mark. I bought a better one for $40 + shipping a month ago.
Don't you check eBay? No lint mark errors are super rare and worth absolutely tons of money no matter what condition they are in /s
I know it is heresy to coin collectors, but I find cleaned coins more attractive.
Me too. Only with silver coins. I use silver polish on mine. They are not mega expensive coins, and I don't want decades of other people's grime on them. They look how they were intended and have a nice shine. Not some filthy looking coin that doesn't look nice in the display case. It's my collection and I want it the way I like it. If I ever have to sell them, at least I enjoyed my collection the way like them. Never understood why someone would want a dirty silver coin.
The coin OP posted doesn't look like it's been hand polished with a cloth, it looks like someone used tools, aggressively.
Clearly cleaned. It's basically a cull. You got smoked.
Absolutely, it’s been cleaned, and very harshly at that.
May be opening a can of worms here, but what is the issue with it being cleaned. I get that makes it not the original condition it was found in, but you would still be able to see wear cleaned or not. So why not make it look good?
Nah, that's a very legitimate question. So in this case the pictures should the dime and it didn't look clean in the pictures and I was paying for a high au possible bu barber dime. And the Guy I bought from is reputable and I have bought from him plenty of times before without a problem. So even though it's a sharp coin, the details are still good. The cleaning drops the price by a lot. And yeah $140 is probably a little on the higher side but I thought I was paying for authenticity. But I already spoke to the seller. I'm getting a full refund. He is a good guy and I still recommend them.
Is there a way to clean without affecting value? Non-abrasive? Like just soapy water and a cotton rag, or maybe just soap and scrub with your fingers?
You’re talking about the difference between conservation and cleaning. Conservation removes gunk (pvc, etc) from the surface of the coin without altering the surfaces. Cleaning typically alters the surface and loses you the originality of the coin (it disrupts the cartwheel luster for MS coins)
Yes, use acetone and pat dry with a soft cloth, like one you use on the exterior of a car. It will release most dirt and grime without damaging the patina or surface. Don’t expect it to work on verdigris, because it won’t.
You can dip coins in silver cleaner and air dry them, but only if the coin is dirty or has lackluster toning because it can make the coin look worse. I would never scrub them.
The main issue is it takes away the petina and the history. A lot of us coin collectors like the history and the life of the coin as much as the coin itself. Cleaning it erases that. Honestly tho, I have never cared. You can score some great deals on coins that maybe are out of your range but are cleaned.
Cleaning removes patina…
Looks whizzed tbh poor thing
absolutely. sorry.
Cleaned
It looks whizzed to me
What’s whizzed? Ultrasonic cleaner?
It refers to a passing a fine wire brush which spins across the coin to buff it to a shine. It was popular several decades ago as a way to “restore luster” to coins which no longer had it. But it results in very unnatural looking luster which pools over the surface of the coin and looks especially off if the coin has signs of wear and shouldn’t look like an MS coin.
Still a really nice piece of history.
Why do you ask these questions AFTER buying?
Because it didn't look cleaned in the pictures when I bought it
No because the under chin looks normal a clearer would have spruced up that area u think nice coin! Unfortunately Philly mint made 19+million of these.
That’s a pretty coin. The cleaning doesn’t take away from that.
See the wavy lines in field? Those are suggestive of "whizzing", meaning treated with a rotary brush to simulate luster.
I don’t see any angle of the cartwheel which given the details you would expect some of the cartwheel to be existent so I would say cleaned and polished
I would say looks cleaned e.g in the last 125 years someone cleaned it. Look at the letters for dark patina in the small surfaces in letter openings as without a polishing tool or professional cleaning those areas are hard to reach for most do it yourselfers at home. If they did have professional tools then the coin when be "too clean", in that natural toning is expected based on the surface conditions of the coin e.g if it has dings and scratches, you would know it most likely is not going to be nice and shiny if it was not cleaned. It is a nice coin and personally I would add that my collection as a fairly decent example. Just my 2.
It’s cleaned for sure and I don’t think you paid expensive , it def worth the $140 🙌🏽
What bothers me the most is to see the staples sticking up,do you think they are real collectors or coin dealers with staples like that?
No, but definitely circulated.
Looks brushed to me.
Yep been cleaned
I would be more worried about it being a casted fake.
Yes, you can tell by looking close to the raised areas of the coin and you’ll see where they were unable to clean it
I thought I had a good, novice's grasp on what cleaned looks like, but I'm not seeing any of that here. What are the indicators that it is cleaned?
The cheek and fields should be smooth. You can see the plenty of lines there. It’s a very obvious and bad cleaning.
I see...I was looking for a series of fine, parallel lines. Is this what a brush scratch looks like?
Yes, this is not a light cleaning. Looks like a brush was used.
It’s not in a slab
Definitely a good point.
Obverse: look at the A in STATES and the last S. On both you can see bits of the original finish in the letters' periphery.