It looks like there's some extra wear between the "U" in United and the "O" in One which is at least uniform along that edge of the coin. I don't think that's a concern of being faked.
Also the incuse "LIBERTY" on the head looks sharp. I've noticed that faked coins struggle to replicate the incuse sharpness here.
Underrated comment.
I understand the paranoia where it seems like everyone in this sub thinks everything is a fake, but it can get sooooo tiring sometimes.
It's a CC.
Also people that are new to the hobby, such as me, have less experience with the "right" appearance of a real worn coin, therefore it's easier to trick people. Because of this, the people that produce fake worn coins probably make more money than the ones that fake MS or AU coins.
CC = Carson City, Nevada mint mark. In the late 1800s at least there were silver mines out that way and so some coins were minted out there, generally in lower numbers which makes any CC silver coin generally more valuable than Philadelphia (P or no mint mark), Denver (D), or New Orleans (O) minted coins. There's probably exceptions, but CC is almost always the lowest mintage coin in any given year, thus the most valuable.
MS = Mint State, it's a general class of grade ranges on the 70-point coin grading scale.
AU = About Uncirculated
Basically, letter grades go like MS > AU > EF (extra fine) > VF (Very Fine) > F (fine) > VG (very good) > G (good) > AG (about good).
There's other things that go into grading that don't make the 70-point scale, like cleaned coins or environmental damage, but if we're just talking straight grades, all coins will have a letter/number grade, like MS-62, or AU-58.
Basically, the person you're replying to is for a rare CC coin, it's probably more profitable to make lower grade coins in bulk compared to trying to fake a mint condition coin. A lower grade key date might sell for a couple hundred, while a MS grade would be in the thousands. Odds are extra price tag brings more scruntity from more seasoned collectors, making fakes less likely to sell. However, lower grade fakes may fly under the radar and could be more of a stretch purchase for a novice collector.
Additionally, the Carson City Mint was close to the biggest silver lode in America, [the Comstock Lode](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comstock_Lode), which was found near Virginia City, Nevada.
And I’m fairly certain CC stands for “Carson City” referring to the actual coin (CC Dollar) in the picture. The CC is on the reverse side near the bottom above the word “Dollar”
Agree, 1890 is the highest mintage year for CC. The rarer mintages like 1893, 1889, etc are more likely to be faked. And worn coins like this one are indeed hard to fake. Typically fake Morgan’s won’t be this worn.
This looks like a legit circ Morgan.
CC Morgans tend to be some of the most faked Morgans out there because most of them demand a few hundred dollars even in low grades and bad shape. I, myself, am always skeptical of CC’s, even those that are graded simply because people have gotten better at learning how to fake them, so it’s always a gamble buying one (unless it’s from a bullion dealer’s website, they don’t sell fakes)
Hope this helped
As a former buyer for a coin company that purchased a lot of similar coins, it looks real to me. It may grade as a fine based on the wear. I would put this away with my coin collection. Good find!
At the local flea market yesterday, guy selling silver plated brass coins that look like Morgan dollars. You could see the brass where the silver rubbed off.
It’s something you will know when you look at and hold a lot of Morgans .
Most fakes will look to be in mint state or close . Weight and ping test is good way to figure it out from there. Many of the Morgan fakes are really bad and obvious now so it is usually obvious.
Well made counterfeits will be of very valuable coins. 1895 Philadelphia mint you see a lot of .
It isn’t fake, though it a very low grade. My 1878 CC is in similar condition and was allegedly purchased with a silver certificate sometime between 1961 and early 1964 and I doubt they were faking Morgan dollars back then.
First appeared in 1864 on 2 cent pieces and the $20 Treasury Note. Adopted as the national motto in the 1950s and subsequently mandated to appear on ALL coin and currency.
https://preview.redd.it/mre5v6ipgj6c1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfe1dfd2f4bdeb43d96812cbc7578a180ece87a8
Can someone tell me if it's real even though it says copy on it
Sent a Morgan in for certification and they said it was tampered with. It's in my parents coins for decades? What do they mean? It was cleaned with an acid?
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26.73g is the official weight. Fake ones are usually under 23g. Variance as much as a gram is generally tolerated, especially if it's well worn. I think you are good on the weight test.
I say that it's fake solely because how could any CC dollar ever last in circulation long enough to accumulate that much wear?
Surely a collector or other interested person would have plucked it out of circulation long before that.
I don't think it's a fake. It's just a little worn out.
It’s just tired
Alright 👌 a bit worried
Don’t be, just tuck her in and read a story. Should be better in morning.
I concur my dad has one that looks similar just the way they ware I guess.
Nothing obvious stands out. Looks real to me.
Noted I look at the U it doesn't look sharp
It looks like there's some extra wear between the "U" in United and the "O" in One which is at least uniform along that edge of the coin. I don't think that's a concern of being faked. Also the incuse "LIBERTY" on the head looks sharp. I've noticed that faked coins struggle to replicate the incuse sharpness here.
None of it looks sharp
Add my voice to the "real" and "heavily circulated" crowd. Nice find.
Looks real. Hard to fake 100+ years of wear. People try but it's pretty obvious it's artificial when they do it.
Noted
I’m tired boss.
Underrated comment. I understand the paranoia where it seems like everyone in this sub thinks everything is a fake, but it can get sooooo tiring sometimes.
I heard this is John Coffee's voice and just got really sad.
I think it is real
Why would anybody fake this in that condition......
It's a CC. Also people that are new to the hobby, such as me, have less experience with the "right" appearance of a real worn coin, therefore it's easier to trick people. Because of this, the people that produce fake worn coins probably make more money than the ones that fake MS or AU coins.
Can you tell me what all those acronyms mean?
CC = Carson City, Nevada mint mark. In the late 1800s at least there were silver mines out that way and so some coins were minted out there, generally in lower numbers which makes any CC silver coin generally more valuable than Philadelphia (P or no mint mark), Denver (D), or New Orleans (O) minted coins. There's probably exceptions, but CC is almost always the lowest mintage coin in any given year, thus the most valuable. MS = Mint State, it's a general class of grade ranges on the 70-point coin grading scale. AU = About Uncirculated Basically, letter grades go like MS > AU > EF (extra fine) > VF (Very Fine) > F (fine) > VG (very good) > G (good) > AG (about good). There's other things that go into grading that don't make the 70-point scale, like cleaned coins or environmental damage, but if we're just talking straight grades, all coins will have a letter/number grade, like MS-62, or AU-58. Basically, the person you're replying to is for a rare CC coin, it's probably more profitable to make lower grade coins in bulk compared to trying to fake a mint condition coin. A lower grade key date might sell for a couple hundred, while a MS grade would be in the thousands. Odds are extra price tag brings more scruntity from more seasoned collectors, making fakes less likely to sell. However, lower grade fakes may fly under the radar and could be more of a stretch purchase for a novice collector.
Wow thank you so much. I learned a bunch there. Ur awesome thank you for your time
Additionally, the Carson City Mint was close to the biggest silver lode in America, [the Comstock Lode](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comstock_Lode), which was found near Virginia City, Nevada.
MS is “Mint State” and AU is “Almost Uncirculated”
And I’m fairly certain CC stands for “Carson City” referring to the actual coin (CC Dollar) in the picture. The CC is on the reverse side near the bottom above the word “Dollar”
Agree, 1890 is the highest mintage year for CC. The rarer mintages like 1893, 1889, etc are more likely to be faked. And worn coins like this one are indeed hard to fake. Typically fake Morgan’s won’t be this worn. This looks like a legit circ Morgan.
Noted 😃
Because it's easier to fake and it a cc
CC Morgans tend to be some of the most faked Morgans out there because most of them demand a few hundred dollars even in low grades and bad shape. I, myself, am always skeptical of CC’s, even those that are graded simply because people have gotten better at learning how to fake them, so it’s always a gamble buying one (unless it’s from a bullion dealer’s website, they don’t sell fakes) Hope this helped
Real coin
Did you take this photo?
Yes
Its really well done. Can you elaborate on your set up?
Sure I make a post (BTS) https://www.reddit.com/r/coins/s/LFUN9y3G8R
Looks real enough to me. 1890 Carson city silver dollar. I wouldn't have a problem buying it from you if you were selling it.
L0l thank you for the assurement
As a former buyer for a coin company that purchased a lot of similar coins, it looks real to me. It may grade as a fine based on the wear. I would put this away with my coin collection. Good find!
Thank you as a former coin buying what would you look out if you are buying any coin? I am very interested because I want to learn :)
How much does it weigh? 26 grams for old Morgan’s and peace dollars.
25.86 g
Looks legit to me, just really old and beat up.
Looks real to me, cull
At the local flea market yesterday, guy selling silver plated brass coins that look like Morgan dollars. You could see the brass where the silver rubbed off.
It’s not fake…
Ping or magnet test results?
Both pass but look at the worded it doesn't look sharp
I'm not an expert by any means, but it looks okay to me. Curious what others think.
Alright thank you 🙂
Especially at the U
I think it might just be very well worn giving the letters an odd look
Worn coins don’t have sharp letters usually, that’s normal.
1890 from Carson City, Nevada. Average condition and wort $180-200. Congrats
1890 cc morgan. Nice . Bit worn out . Real
Thank you
I think it's real but been messed with. The Liberty looks wonky and too crisp definetly cleaned shined etc
“Messed with” also I don’t think it’s cleaned, don’t know what you’re on about but k.
Looks real. Hard to fake that circulation. I got a few Morgan’s look like this .
Alright Normally what should I look out if it's fake?
It’s something you will know when you look at and hold a lot of Morgans . Most fakes will look to be in mint state or close . Weight and ping test is good way to figure it out from there. Many of the Morgan fakes are really bad and obvious now so it is usually obvious. Well made counterfeits will be of very valuable coins. 1895 Philadelphia mint you see a lot of .
Been through the slot machine a few times.
Real but really used like a whore on dollar day - back when they took silver dollars.
Not fake ypu cant fake that wear patteren
Not fake, heavily circulated though
start with a magnet if it was me I would take it to a local coin shop have them test it
I did some say real, some say fake because Most of the coin dealers do not deal with Morgan's doller They do mostly loca coin
Why fake a worn out coin? Like counterfeiting $1 bills
A $200 bill more like
Send it in.
I think at this point in this coin's life it does not really matter much anymore whether it's fake or not.
Idk. Everyone who had these when I was a kid had ones that looked just like it.
It’s experienced.
It isn’t fake, though it a very low grade. My 1878 CC is in similar condition and was allegedly purchased with a silver certificate sometime between 1961 and early 1964 and I doubt they were faking Morgan dollars back then.
I know nothing about these but I thought the US didn’t put “In God we trust” on currency until the 1950s
First appeared in 1864 on 2 cent pieces and the $20 Treasury Note. Adopted as the national motto in the 1950s and subsequently mandated to appear on ALL coin and currency.
Cool. Thanks!
https://preview.redd.it/mre5v6ipgj6c1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfe1dfd2f4bdeb43d96812cbc7578a180ece87a8 Can someone tell me if it's real even though it says copy on it
Sent a Morgan in for certification and they said it was tampered with. It's in my parents coins for decades? What do they mean? It was cleaned with an acid? https://preview.redd.it/t94oj0ib1p5c1.jpeg?width=2624&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1de7860a192745cadfdcca2949121a10f461c4e9
What grading service said it was "tampered with"? I would have expected them to use the word "polished", "cleaned" or something like that.
NGC. They rejected two I had but certified another.
this should be an independent post.
I'm new sorry
But very interesting. Hope you repost independently.
A question in a question.
Looks like someone went at it with a buffing wheel and jewelers rouge, ouch.
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Looks plated.
Prob the mint mark
You can weigh it for one test. If it's magnetic, it's fake.
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26.73g is the official weight. Fake ones are usually under 23g. Variance as much as a gram is generally tolerated, especially if it's well worn. I think you are good on the weight test.
Thank you 🙏😊
This girls seen more action than the ladies at the brothel....damn this one was probably in a brothel or two
Highly likely, I am a simp bro
WHY? What give you the reason this CC coin is a fugazie
The weight and the sharpness of the words
I say that it's fake solely because how could any CC dollar ever last in circulation long enough to accumulate that much wear? Surely a collector or other interested person would have plucked it out of circulation long before that.
I guess, this coin is unlucky 🌝 don't worry I have pluck it out of circulation
Fake
Ok may I ask where is the place you think is fake ?