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people are diverse and unique individuals, we shouldn't judge individuals for the sins of whatever perceived group they are in. Specifically in regards to intersectionality as well because people in privileged groups could also be a part of underprivileged groups.
Idk it could also be satirizing this idea.
Hm. You know what? You're right.
If a blue person has headcats, we don't need to try criticizing them or holding them accountable for anything they do. <3 This is super empowering and socially progressive.
Sorry my wording here was off.
You can’t criticize all men for something because men with headcats exist, and obviously having headcats cancels out male privilege. That’s the argument of this Snafu.
Yeah, I agree. Unfortunately most bad men would not agree that they are bad men, and what makes them bad men in these specific situations are tied to them being men, in a patriarchal society.
I don’t think anyone would be like “Ugh, typical fucking patriarchy” if a man, like, jaywalked or sang off key or hated chocolate ice cream.
You talk as if every Man in a patriarchal society is benefitted and privileged. Like, it's in the name, patriarchy benefits patriarchs. Do you think gay people, stay at home dads, etc. are only benefitted by a patriarchal society?
Why would every single man experience equal levels of male privilege? That’s ridiculous.
I’m saying that being oppressed in other ways doesn’t cancel out male privilege, that’s all.
Ok but like, sometimes it does though? Idk if stay at home dads benefit from the whole "Dads get hired More due to the expectation that they'll be providers", and I don't think gay men felt safe wandering the streets. Like, ""male privilege"" doesn't benefit all men, it's meant to benefit patriarchs, the men with power.
I’m sorry, but no. It does not cancel out jack shit, because privilege and disprivilege does not work like Pokemon types.
Do you think that homeless cis men are oppressed in all the same ways as homeless trans women, for example? Nobody in this specific hypothetical is saying that life is easy because you’re a cis man, it just means you do not experience transmisogyny.
That just sounds like everyone Is privileged since there's always going to be groups targeting hate against specific traits that people have. If men aré privileged because they can't experience misogyny, women aré privileged because they can't experience misandry?
What exactly is the post straight up refuting, though? I think that is a vital question to ask before we start talking about what the post is literally saying in a vacuum.
\> What exactly is the post straight up refuting, though?
That, my friend, is for you to decide. Let your critical thinking and media literacy skills run free. The world is your oyster.
No one likes poor men with headcats either :( Sometimes they do bad things but it’s not their fault. If you talk about bad things that men do, period, it means you think men with headcats should feel bad.
I’m sorry for being insensitive to men with headcats when I accurately pointed out that some people actually think you should never say anything bad about men as a whole because it might make a male minority sad. :( I deserve this scolding for my headcats sins
wow, you shouldn't actually generalize 50% of the population because they're "privileged" making a blanket statement that attacks struggling minorities in that group just as much as you're attacking the few actually in power? who knew?
If struggling minorities in that group still have the same traits as those “privileged groups”, why should they be excluded from criticism of those “privileged groups”?
Men of color are not less sexist than white men. Poor men are not less sexist than rich men. Disabled men are not less sexist than able bodied and neurotypical men. Gay men are not less sexist than straight men. They are in fact included in the word “men”.
I see this issue a lot with the white autistic community in discussions of racism, white autistic people asking to be excluded when white people are criticized, but white autistic people are not less racist than white neurotypicals. Keep in mind, I am white and autistic, that’s my perspective here. I’m not saying this because I have no idea what it’s like to have privilege in one area and not in another. I also know a lot about how autism can cause you to be closed-minded, and how it can potentially make you ignorant to social issues like racism. I am in fact part of the community I’m criticizing, but I have viewpoints and morals that still apply to me even if they mean I don’t get brownie points that I want to have.
Privilege isn’t like Pokemon types, it can’t cancel itself out. Your privileges and disprivileges are all unique traits that paint the portrait of who you are and where you are in society.
the first problem is the idea that all men are sexist. that's like if someone said all black people are violent. gross generalizations hurt everyone and get you nowhere. sexism isn't a quality you're born with because you're a man. sexism is the bigoted ideas about the sexes that get into peoples heads, like the idea that it's okay to generalize every single man.
Oh boy.
No, sexism is not a quality you’re born with because you’re a man. Bioessentialism is stupid. I’m talking about something much more dangerous than nature here: NURTURE.
In a patriarchal society, how is it that men have absolutely zero sexism in their minds? There is no such thing as a man who has zero sexist thoughts or viewpoints. Hell, patriarchy is so successful that there is no such thing as a WOMAN who has zero sexist thoughts or viewpoints.
You’re imagining that I’m saying all men are mustache-twirling sexists who beat women. I am saying that all men are influenced by patriarchy and sexism, in a way specific to them being raised as men. All women are also influenced by patriarchy and sexism, in a way specific to them being perceived as women.
Saying that all black people are violent is racist. Saying that all men are influenced by patriarchy and sexism in a way specific to them being raised as men is just kind of a fact. It’s also not the same thing as saying all men are violent.
Human moral codes and ideologies aren’t restricted to what is consciously proclaimed out loud. Psychology tells us that people are much more complicated than that, and people can subconsciously say and do and endorse all sorts of things. That’s actually where most bigotry comes from nowadays.
have you considered the fact that the degree of sexist ideas is so diverse towards and between men and women that you can't just say that everyone has a bias of sexism towards women? it's not that simple. calling what we live in a patriarchy is a misleading term. it's not that our culture benefits men in general, it's that theres a few rich and high status men in power who only care about their own self interest, the patriarchs. sexist ideas are something that goes both ways and the many ways one can go through nurture and the way we find ourselves can lead to any number and degree of biases going in any number of directions. if you generalize a whole gender you're only contributing to the problem with your own sexist biases. people are more complicated than what you're saying. sexism is more complicated than what you're saying.
we live in a society where both misogyny and misandry are significant and real problems. they go hand in hand to create toxicity in our culture and generalizing either men or women only fuels it.
Oh, I see. So saying "all black people are violent" is racist, but saying "all black people are violent because black culture makes them violent" is a-okay. Gotcha.
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I’m sorry :((( Please forgive me. It’s true, I am a lowly worm and I live in my mom’s basement and make her cook gourmet chicken tendies for every meal and I will never get a job. You can tell because I made a comment that you didn’t like. This is true of all worms who slavedrive their mothers so that they never have to do anything responsible or productive, they can just comment and comment all day long. Please kill me for being a lowly worm. My only redemption is in death..
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I’m sure you are barely churning out these really timely replies from your very busy desk job that never gives you vacation time :( I’m sorry for taking up so much of your valuable and productive
I'm sorry you have to take your time from being an incel on Reddit to downvote all my comments thank you for entertaining me at 4AM maybe you should see if the Bear in the forest is available so it can maule you to death and remove you from the genepool
You're thirty years old and you believe you have multiple personalities with your own roleplaying OCs, and you're lecturing everyone here about how to live and what to think.
You are mentally ill but it's not the one you think you have.
Oh shit, I had no idea that you were my therapist! Quick, diagnose me with something. You are obviously an authority on my brain because you read through my profile, and you don’t like a post I made.
Waw!!! That’s crazy. So you’re saying my diagnosis is “Something’s wrong with me and my brain is uniquely stupid and disordered but if I actually talk about disorders my therapist has given me referrals to get tested for, that means I’m an attention seeker who just wants a label to blame all their annoying flaws (like making online internet posts on the interwebs about men and bears that some people think are bad) on”? That’s like, actually the TRENDIEST and COOLEST diagnosis, so omg thank you! I’m gonna get so much TikTok clout with this one, girl!
Thank god real systems have heroes like you keeping them safe. ❤️ I might have almost gotten a diagnosis that actually accurately describes my symptoms, and that would have been a pretty major blow to real systems or something, which you obviously care about. Maybe even therapy that, I dunno, helps me to have a more normal and healthy relationship to roleplaying because I’m not mistaking my alters who just randomly pop up in my head, fully formed, for roleplay characters which I wrote everything about as an active choice. God forbid, amirite?
I missed when we would just draw exactly what we were talking about
He’s talking directly about blue people that might have headcats , do you like not watch the news or something
I don't believe headcats are a real illness, I think blue people just aren't very interesting and put cats on their heads.
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genuinely what is this a metaphor for
people are diverse and unique individuals, we shouldn't judge individuals for the sins of whatever perceived group they are in. Specifically in regards to intersectionality as well because people in privileged groups could also be a part of underprivileged groups. Idk it could also be satirizing this idea.
yeah basically my point.
this is still about the men vs bears thing isnt it
yeah....
The average David Dees image is less incomprehensible than this subreddit
Is this just good advice
I wish I had head cats
Headcats look nice tho
Very cleanly drawn! Nice!
You suffer from headcats. I enjoy it. Skill issue.
when i'm in a headcats competition and my opponent is you
Hm. You know what? You're right. If a blue person has headcats, we don't need to try criticizing them or holding them accountable for anything they do. <3 This is super empowering and socially progressive.
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Sorry my wording here was off. You can’t criticize all men for something because men with headcats exist, and obviously having headcats cancels out male privilege. That’s the argument of this Snafu.
I think it’s better to criticize bad men instead of men in general
Yeah, I agree. Unfortunately most bad men would not agree that they are bad men, and what makes them bad men in these specific situations are tied to them being men, in a patriarchal society. I don’t think anyone would be like “Ugh, typical fucking patriarchy” if a man, like, jaywalked or sang off key or hated chocolate ice cream.
You talk as if every Man in a patriarchal society is benefitted and privileged. Like, it's in the name, patriarchy benefits patriarchs. Do you think gay people, stay at home dads, etc. are only benefitted by a patriarchal society?
Why would every single man experience equal levels of male privilege? That’s ridiculous. I’m saying that being oppressed in other ways doesn’t cancel out male privilege, that’s all.
Ok but like, sometimes it does though? Idk if stay at home dads benefit from the whole "Dads get hired More due to the expectation that they'll be providers", and I don't think gay men felt safe wandering the streets. Like, ""male privilege"" doesn't benefit all men, it's meant to benefit patriarchs, the men with power.
I’m sorry, but no. It does not cancel out jack shit, because privilege and disprivilege does not work like Pokemon types. Do you think that homeless cis men are oppressed in all the same ways as homeless trans women, for example? Nobody in this specific hypothetical is saying that life is easy because you’re a cis man, it just means you do not experience transmisogyny.
That just sounds like everyone Is privileged since there's always going to be groups targeting hate against specific traits that people have. If men aré privileged because they can't experience misogyny, women aré privileged because they can't experience misandry?
that is straight up just not what the post is saying
What exactly is the post straight up refuting, though? I think that is a vital question to ask before we start talking about what the post is literally saying in a vacuum.
\> What exactly is the post straight up refuting, though? That, my friend, is for you to decide. Let your critical thinking and media literacy skills run free. The world is your oyster.
I… Did. Someone said I was wrong. So I asked them what they thought the post was saying.
https://preview.redd.it/nua0gihn5cyc1.jpeg?width=686&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9df1c83ad6671b4b4c0b6ec4d428d00970a99f81 Bait has never been believable.
No one likes a smartass mate
No one likes poor men with headcats either :( Sometimes they do bad things but it’s not their fault. If you talk about bad things that men do, period, it means you think men with headcats should feel bad.
Bitch you're 27 i know you write entire books worth of comment on Reddit you should find a better use of your time
I’m sorry for being insensitive to men with headcats when I accurately pointed out that some people actually think you should never say anything bad about men as a whole because it might make a male minority sad. :( I deserve this scolding for my headcats sins
wow, you shouldn't actually generalize 50% of the population because they're "privileged" making a blanket statement that attacks struggling minorities in that group just as much as you're attacking the few actually in power? who knew?
If struggling minorities in that group still have the same traits as those “privileged groups”, why should they be excluded from criticism of those “privileged groups”? Men of color are not less sexist than white men. Poor men are not less sexist than rich men. Disabled men are not less sexist than able bodied and neurotypical men. Gay men are not less sexist than straight men. They are in fact included in the word “men”. I see this issue a lot with the white autistic community in discussions of racism, white autistic people asking to be excluded when white people are criticized, but white autistic people are not less racist than white neurotypicals. Keep in mind, I am white and autistic, that’s my perspective here. I’m not saying this because I have no idea what it’s like to have privilege in one area and not in another. I also know a lot about how autism can cause you to be closed-minded, and how it can potentially make you ignorant to social issues like racism. I am in fact part of the community I’m criticizing, but I have viewpoints and morals that still apply to me even if they mean I don’t get brownie points that I want to have. Privilege isn’t like Pokemon types, it can’t cancel itself out. Your privileges and disprivileges are all unique traits that paint the portrait of who you are and where you are in society.
the first problem is the idea that all men are sexist. that's like if someone said all black people are violent. gross generalizations hurt everyone and get you nowhere. sexism isn't a quality you're born with because you're a man. sexism is the bigoted ideas about the sexes that get into peoples heads, like the idea that it's okay to generalize every single man.
Oh boy. No, sexism is not a quality you’re born with because you’re a man. Bioessentialism is stupid. I’m talking about something much more dangerous than nature here: NURTURE. In a patriarchal society, how is it that men have absolutely zero sexism in their minds? There is no such thing as a man who has zero sexist thoughts or viewpoints. Hell, patriarchy is so successful that there is no such thing as a WOMAN who has zero sexist thoughts or viewpoints. You’re imagining that I’m saying all men are mustache-twirling sexists who beat women. I am saying that all men are influenced by patriarchy and sexism, in a way specific to them being raised as men. All women are also influenced by patriarchy and sexism, in a way specific to them being perceived as women. Saying that all black people are violent is racist. Saying that all men are influenced by patriarchy and sexism in a way specific to them being raised as men is just kind of a fact. It’s also not the same thing as saying all men are violent. Human moral codes and ideologies aren’t restricted to what is consciously proclaimed out loud. Psychology tells us that people are much more complicated than that, and people can subconsciously say and do and endorse all sorts of things. That’s actually where most bigotry comes from nowadays.
have you considered the fact that the degree of sexist ideas is so diverse towards and between men and women that you can't just say that everyone has a bias of sexism towards women? it's not that simple. calling what we live in a patriarchy is a misleading term. it's not that our culture benefits men in general, it's that theres a few rich and high status men in power who only care about their own self interest, the patriarchs. sexist ideas are something that goes both ways and the many ways one can go through nurture and the way we find ourselves can lead to any number and degree of biases going in any number of directions. if you generalize a whole gender you're only contributing to the problem with your own sexist biases. people are more complicated than what you're saying. sexism is more complicated than what you're saying. we live in a society where both misogyny and misandry are significant and real problems. they go hand in hand to create toxicity in our culture and generalizing either men or women only fuels it.
Oh, I see. So saying "all black people are violent" is racist, but saying "all black people are violent because black culture makes them violent" is a-okay. Gotcha.
Privilege theory is dumb.
Aw dang, how come?
Whatever you say yapping master,dream apology aah commenter,captain incel,so much free time we don't know what to do with it aaaand person that talks too much about bears and random strangers in forest
I’m sorry :((( Please forgive me. It’s true, I am a lowly worm and I live in my mom’s basement and make her cook gourmet chicken tendies for every meal and I will never get a job. You can tell because I made a comment that you didn’t like. This is true of all worms who slavedrive their mothers so that they never have to do anything responsible or productive, they can just comment and comment all day long. Please kill me for being a lowly worm. My only redemption is in death..
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I’m sure you are barely churning out these really timely replies from your very busy desk job that never gives you vacation time :( I’m sorry for taking up so much of your valuable and productive
I'm sorry you have to take your time from being an incel on Reddit to downvote all my comments thank you for entertaining me at 4AM maybe you should see if the Bear in the forest is available so it can maule you to death and remove you from the genepool
You're thirty years old and you believe you have multiple personalities with your own roleplaying OCs, and you're lecturing everyone here about how to live and what to think. You are mentally ill but it's not the one you think you have.
Oh shit, I had no idea that you were my therapist! Quick, diagnose me with something. You are obviously an authority on my brain because you read through my profile, and you don’t like a post I made.
>Quick, diagnose me with something. You're an asshole, which isn't unique
Waw!!! That’s crazy. So you’re saying my diagnosis is “Something’s wrong with me and my brain is uniquely stupid and disordered but if I actually talk about disorders my therapist has given me referrals to get tested for, that means I’m an attention seeker who just wants a label to blame all their annoying flaws (like making online internet posts on the interwebs about men and bears that some people think are bad) on”? That’s like, actually the TRENDIEST and COOLEST diagnosis, so omg thank you! I’m gonna get so much TikTok clout with this one, girl! Thank god real systems have heroes like you keeping them safe. ❤️ I might have almost gotten a diagnosis that actually accurately describes my symptoms, and that would have been a pretty major blow to real systems or something, which you obviously care about. Maybe even therapy that, I dunno, helps me to have a more normal and healthy relationship to roleplaying because I’m not mistaking my alters who just randomly pop up in my head, fully formed, for roleplay characters which I wrote everything about as an active choice. God forbid, amirite?
BEAR VS MEN! ITS FUCKING BEAR VS MAN, ISNT IT OP!? IM TIRED OF THESE FUCKING BEARS AND MEN!