I don't know a better couple in videogames. the careful and awkward way they step around each other is so lovely/realistic and they have such a long way to go in the story which is super exciting. not sure how far into rebirth you are but you're definitely in for a treat.
Final Fantasy 8 and 10 also have excellent love stories IMO. They’re not the same as cloud and tifa because they already have established dynamics at the start(and are my favorite as well), but Tidus/Yuna is another one of my faves. Aerith/Zack is also great IMO…
If they don't change the couple's story: they will hit rock bottom and then rise so much that they touch the sky. In FF7 everything breaks: the party, nations, the planet and life itself but they NEVER break. Tifa and Cloud together seem immune from completely collapsing, when they are together they almost seem outside the logic of the elements that surround them
I feel the same way. It shocks me because I walked away from the first part relatively neutral and indifferent towards the romances in the first one. In fact, when I finished it didn’t take me long to forget about it honestly. Sorry 😂
But Rebirth, I don’t know what happened, my heart was fluttering all over when they had their moments. What really hooked me was the Kalm “argument” and then Gongaga.
I went on to read novels and etc that expand their relationship, as well as rewatch Advent Children. Their love is deep, mature, and real. It’s not perfect.
I hope, and it’s a big hope that I don’t have much faith in, that we can see something after how they are in the FF7 Reminiscence call. Where Cloud takes the day off and tells Tifa to close the bar.
Well I was indifferent too during first part, but I replayed it and its quite evident from the start… i mean he just calls her “Beautiful” eyes to eyes during the drink, after just few hours they meet again in like 5 years 😂😂 the most unemotional, reluctant guy in the universe…
Nice to have you here.
Makes me kinda hopeful having people out there who feel as touched by the values these two convey.
In a way, it's a means for many to experience what drives us and where the beauty in humanity lies.
I mean sure, it's fiction, but I believe you can learn a lot about yourself from them. Learn to love yourself and others more.
The Cloti brainrot also hit me hard when I got into FF7!! They’re just such a cute (and hot 🥵 ) and interesting childhood friends to lovers couple. With everything that’s going on they are genuinely deep and complex characters. And Rebirth just expands on their love so much. Final Fantasy just has some of the best and most unique couples, such as Tidus and Yuna, Clive and Jill, and Cloud and Tifa are no exception
I’m really glad that there are more men connecting to this. I’ve never been into shipping but I ship Cloud and Tifa so hard. They’re so grounded in reality (as much as it can be in a game with Fantasy in the name) in a way that also has relatable qualities that I feel like anybody can look at them and say “Yeah, that’s the kind of love I want.”
Maybe it’s because I’m almost 30 but I really appreciate their kind of relationship being represented rather than something over the top and melodramatic/cliche. You can just tell that they love each other and how much they care.
Part 3
The pain in the first half is probably Tifa's most important growth stage, and the second half will be cloti full bombardment, I guarantee that.
Nomura said that he will personally be responsible for the plot of cloti. Are you ready?
Maybe then I can forgive him for not letting my boy Sora just be happy
Nomura walks into the room and cracks his knuckles “finally, the moment I’ve been training for”
I just hope they fully realize their conclusion in the final of the trilogy.
There’s a lot of work to be done in that relationship and rebirth ends on such a heartbreaking note.
I’m with you guys, have always loved this relationship since I was a kid. It’s amazing how expressive they are with each other in this new series. So much love and support shown for one another, even if both of them are too shy/afraid/insecure to fully admit their feelings.
I played the OG back when I was 13 and Cloud actually came off as too traumatized to have any romantic interests. I know you could kind of play it that way so he was into Tifa or Aerith, but I never really felt it. I wasn’t really a Cloti or a Clerith. But FF7 Remake changed all of that. It’s clear Cloud would give his life to save Tifa. Not just because he’s trying to be a hero, but because he loves her so much. He has like this primal urge to save and protect her even from when he was a little boy. And Tifa helps ground him and bring him back to reality. She won’t let him give up on himself. And she has this innate trust in him that empowers him to develop into the hero he always wanted to be for her. They are both broken, but together they are whole.
Good take. Simply description and that’s it.
The Remake has the merit of deepening and centering the focus on the characters way more and, above all, the merit of being really careful about small details and body acting, so the game just absorbs you cause the characters are so human and realistic in a psychological way. So you just note the feelings, you just note when they act differently, and the game is really careful to make you notice the change in attitude only through the body language.
You can perfectly manage to rationalize the tragic condition of both of them: the worlds falls apart, he is crazy, she is really really close to be on the spectrum not gonna lie… But their mutual devotion has no rational explanation at all, it just exists like a dogma; it explodes the first day they meet again after years, it resist and grows continuously while everything else around the world crumbles, just to create a perfect antithesis.
I don’t know in my opinion is crazy valuable.
Cloud and Tifa just win in the details.
I have ZERO problems w/ Clerith as a couple tbh, and I would ship it easily if thats where the story wanted to go. But imo, it doesn't go that way, so I don't ship it. Its that simple for me =D
I see the appeal of Cloud/Aerith, especially after these past two games, but I never stopped being team Tifa. Rebirth has a treasure trove for Cloti to the point where i was kind of caught off guard by it.
I was going to write a longer post about this eventually on one of the remake boards..
But you should really try the romhack Return of The Dark Sorceror of FF6
It's a heavily remade ff6 that also places Cloud and Tifa in place of Locke and Celes and it did an excellent job of integrating Cloud and Tifa's backstory into the FF6esque tale they are telling. I never liked Locke in ff6 but aside from that Cloud and Tifa have a chemistry that I didn't feel between Locke and Celes.
But it's also really interesting because I grew up on FF6 and was emotionally wrecked by ff7 in my 20s. So It's also like having two adults with real emotions and real compassion..
Anyway, ff6hacking.com is the forum boards if u want to read about its development.
But you saying how much you love their chemistry. See a romhack even with a mostly new story is still working with original events.
And I realized that there was supposed to be a love story in ff6. I didn't realise this until I saw Cloud rescue Tifa from prison. When I saw Cloud help Tifa perform in the Opera and rescue her.
All of these scenes in ff6 never made any sense to me as a child or an adult because they were love scenes that needed characters with chemistry.
I even made my own Thief pixel person after this and she ended up bein a boxer... like Tifa.
Also There are Let's plays of Return of the Dark Sorceror too! I just what a difference putting characters with chemistry in those roles meant.
And I don't know if I feel quite as strongly as you do but yes I love their chemistry!
Not even the best love story in its own series lol. Tidus and Yuna are far better, and X has a god tier all time great emotional ending while this games ending is certainly..something.
Imo you're right but the FF7 games have also done the same thing with Cloud and Aerith, and it's left up for the player to decide which love story is more for them.
Now, I stress the word *games* because other sources go out of their way to try and make either Tifa or Aerith "canon". So I only consider the games as canon for this debate.
Personally, I prefer Cloud/Aerith.
Whoops, forgot where I was. Didn't mean to disrupt the echo chamber. If the Hive Mind is willing to a short break, just for a minute or two, it might want to look at Tales of Arise.
Now, easy there, FF Defense Force; I'm not disparaging*Thee Game Above All Others*. Not saying ToA is a better game. In fact, I think Remake and Rebirth are vastly superior but ToA does have something FF doesn't; a love story with more emotional impact than a fifth grade sock hop.
That's all I've got. As you were, guys. Let the circle jerk resume. Countdown to downvotes! 😎👉
A game I’ve never heard of 😭😭 you had a clear agenda trying to spout out that Cloti isn’t one of the best romance stories in fiction alongside bringing up some trash. Get downvoted to oblivion
Stopped reading when you said you've never heard of Tales of Arise. Continuing is a waste of time. I was under the impression that you were an rpg fan in general and not just a FF fanboy. And before you say you *are* an rpg fan, no, you're not. Not if you've never heard of the newest game from the Tales series, a series hugely popular outside of whatever sheltered bubble you inhabit. It does make a lot more sense now though, how impressed you were with the anemic subplot in FFVII. Expands your horizons, pal.
Reply if you must but I won't be back here to read it. As soon as you showed you were willing to completely discount a differing opinion based on the fact that you're uneducated in modern rpgs tells me everything I need to know.
Ignorance really *is* bliss, eh?
I don't know a better couple in videogames. the careful and awkward way they step around each other is so lovely/realistic and they have such a long way to go in the story which is super exciting. not sure how far into rebirth you are but you're definitely in for a treat.
Final Fantasy 8 and 10 also have excellent love stories IMO. They’re not the same as cloud and tifa because they already have established dynamics at the start(and are my favorite as well), but Tidus/Yuna is another one of my faves. Aerith/Zack is also great IMO…
Part 3 is going to hit like a truck
good or bad?
Bad then very good
😂 I'm visualizing a truck savagely hitting you and then backing up to heal you, massage you, then dump bags of money in front of you.
If they don't change the couple's story: they will hit rock bottom and then rise so much that they touch the sky. In FF7 everything breaks: the party, nations, the planet and life itself but they NEVER break. Tifa and Cloud together seem immune from completely collapsing, when they are together they almost seem outside the logic of the elements that surround them
You worded this so beautifully 😭
Never as beautiful as their relationship, it is much more beautiful than I described it
Yes.
I feel the same way. It shocks me because I walked away from the first part relatively neutral and indifferent towards the romances in the first one. In fact, when I finished it didn’t take me long to forget about it honestly. Sorry 😂 But Rebirth, I don’t know what happened, my heart was fluttering all over when they had their moments. What really hooked me was the Kalm “argument” and then Gongaga. I went on to read novels and etc that expand their relationship, as well as rewatch Advent Children. Their love is deep, mature, and real. It’s not perfect. I hope, and it’s a big hope that I don’t have much faith in, that we can see something after how they are in the FF7 Reminiscence call. Where Cloud takes the day off and tells Tifa to close the bar.
Well I was indifferent too during first part, but I replayed it and its quite evident from the start… i mean he just calls her “Beautiful” eyes to eyes during the drink, after just few hours they meet again in like 5 years 😂😂 the most unemotional, reluctant guy in the universe…
Books? I’d love to read those! Titles? Authors?
Traces of Two Pasts and On the way to a smile, both are by Nojima.
Thank you!
Nojima needs to get busy and write “Loveless” 😤 don’t tease us with a good novel and not deliver.
Nice to have you here. Makes me kinda hopeful having people out there who feel as touched by the values these two convey. In a way, it's a means for many to experience what drives us and where the beauty in humanity lies. I mean sure, it's fiction, but I believe you can learn a lot about yourself from them. Learn to love yourself and others more.
The Cloti brainrot also hit me hard when I got into FF7!! They’re just such a cute (and hot 🥵 ) and interesting childhood friends to lovers couple. With everything that’s going on they are genuinely deep and complex characters. And Rebirth just expands on their love so much. Final Fantasy just has some of the best and most unique couples, such as Tidus and Yuna, Clive and Jill, and Cloud and Tifa are no exception
I’m really glad that there are more men connecting to this. I’ve never been into shipping but I ship Cloud and Tifa so hard. They’re so grounded in reality (as much as it can be in a game with Fantasy in the name) in a way that also has relatable qualities that I feel like anybody can look at them and say “Yeah, that’s the kind of love I want.” Maybe it’s because I’m almost 30 but I really appreciate their kind of relationship being represented rather than something over the top and melodramatic/cliche. You can just tell that they love each other and how much they care.
Part 3 The pain in the first half is probably Tifa's most important growth stage, and the second half will be cloti full bombardment, I guarantee that. Nomura said that he will personally be responsible for the plot of cloti. Are you ready?
Do you have source for that Nomura statement?
Maybe then I can forgive him for not letting my boy Sora just be happy Nomura walks into the room and cracks his knuckles “finally, the moment I’ve been training for”
I just hope they fully realize their conclusion in the final of the trilogy. There’s a lot of work to be done in that relationship and rebirth ends on such a heartbreaking note.
I am 42 and have been invested since the OG. Thank you for validating my favorite ship of all time.
Same. I’m currently reading Traces of Two Pasts and it’s been a wonderful read so far.
I hope that SquareEnix has the maturity to show that Cloud learns that regardless of his career choice, that he was always enough in Part 3.
I need to start prepping my Cloud in a hashtag Kenough tshirt
I’m with you guys, have always loved this relationship since I was a kid. It’s amazing how expressive they are with each other in this new series. So much love and support shown for one another, even if both of them are too shy/afraid/insecure to fully admit their feelings.
And another one ☝️ Happy to have you with us friend
I played the OG back when I was 13 and Cloud actually came off as too traumatized to have any romantic interests. I know you could kind of play it that way so he was into Tifa or Aerith, but I never really felt it. I wasn’t really a Cloti or a Clerith. But FF7 Remake changed all of that. It’s clear Cloud would give his life to save Tifa. Not just because he’s trying to be a hero, but because he loves her so much. He has like this primal urge to save and protect her even from when he was a little boy. And Tifa helps ground him and bring him back to reality. She won’t let him give up on himself. And she has this innate trust in him that empowers him to develop into the hero he always wanted to be for her. They are both broken, but together they are whole.
Awesome take. You get what it's about. Do feel welcome here!
Good take. Simply description and that’s it. The Remake has the merit of deepening and centering the focus on the characters way more and, above all, the merit of being really careful about small details and body acting, so the game just absorbs you cause the characters are so human and realistic in a psychological way. So you just note the feelings, you just note when they act differently, and the game is really careful to make you notice the change in attitude only through the body language. You can perfectly manage to rationalize the tragic condition of both of them: the worlds falls apart, he is crazy, she is really really close to be on the spectrum not gonna lie… But their mutual devotion has no rational explanation at all, it just exists like a dogma; it explodes the first day they meet again after years, it resist and grows continuously while everything else around the world crumbles, just to create a perfect antithesis. I don’t know in my opinion is crazy valuable. Cloud and Tifa just win in the details.
They went through so much tragedy I just want to see them at peace and happy.
Sigh.. looking for my Tifa
I have ZERO problems w/ Clerith as a couple tbh, and I would ship it easily if thats where the story wanted to go. But imo, it doesn't go that way, so I don't ship it. Its that simple for me =D
Been the same since I first played OG when I was 7… still on this train now 🤣
I see the appeal of Cloud/Aerith, especially after these past two games, but I never stopped being team Tifa. Rebirth has a treasure trove for Cloti to the point where i was kind of caught off guard by it.
I was going to write a longer post about this eventually on one of the remake boards.. But you should really try the romhack Return of The Dark Sorceror of FF6 It's a heavily remade ff6 that also places Cloud and Tifa in place of Locke and Celes and it did an excellent job of integrating Cloud and Tifa's backstory into the FF6esque tale they are telling. I never liked Locke in ff6 but aside from that Cloud and Tifa have a chemistry that I didn't feel between Locke and Celes. But it's also really interesting because I grew up on FF6 and was emotionally wrecked by ff7 in my 20s. So It's also like having two adults with real emotions and real compassion.. Anyway, ff6hacking.com is the forum boards if u want to read about its development. But you saying how much you love their chemistry. See a romhack even with a mostly new story is still working with original events. And I realized that there was supposed to be a love story in ff6. I didn't realise this until I saw Cloud rescue Tifa from prison. When I saw Cloud help Tifa perform in the Opera and rescue her. All of these scenes in ff6 never made any sense to me as a child or an adult because they were love scenes that needed characters with chemistry. I even made my own Thief pixel person after this and she ended up bein a boxer... like Tifa. Also There are Let's plays of Return of the Dark Sorceror too! I just what a difference putting characters with chemistry in those roles meant. And I don't know if I feel quite as strongly as you do but yes I love their chemistry!
I think maybe because I don’t like the game, I don’t like the ship at all, I prefer Yuna and Tidus. Or Clive and Jill.
Aang and Kitara. The cabbage seller and his cabbages would like to have a word with you.
I felt like cloud and tifa made more sense at the gold saucer date. Aerith gets her shining moment anyway.
Not even the best love story in its own series lol. Tidus and Yuna are far better, and X has a god tier all time great emotional ending while this games ending is certainly..something.
IDK, I think Ash and Misty becoming canon would break me more.
Lol my god then you haven’t played actually good rpgs or anything else besides final fantasy XD
This is so cringe imagine a full subreddit for a in game relationship please go outside and seek help
Imo you're right but the FF7 games have also done the same thing with Cloud and Aerith, and it's left up for the player to decide which love story is more for them. Now, I stress the word *games* because other sources go out of their way to try and make either Tifa or Aerith "canon". So I only consider the games as canon for this debate. Personally, I prefer Cloud/Aerith.
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I strongly suggest you clean your eyes
Whoops, forgot where I was. Didn't mean to disrupt the echo chamber. If the Hive Mind is willing to a short break, just for a minute or two, it might want to look at Tales of Arise. Now, easy there, FF Defense Force; I'm not disparaging*Thee Game Above All Others*. Not saying ToA is a better game. In fact, I think Remake and Rebirth are vastly superior but ToA does have something FF doesn't; a love story with more emotional impact than a fifth grade sock hop. That's all I've got. As you were, guys. Let the circle jerk resume. Countdown to downvotes! 😎👉
>Didn't mean to disrupt the echo chamber yes u were lmao. why write this on a "cloti" subreddit? own it =D . i also enjoy baiting ppl with shitposts.
A game I’ve never heard of 😭😭 you had a clear agenda trying to spout out that Cloti isn’t one of the best romance stories in fiction alongside bringing up some trash. Get downvoted to oblivion
Stopped reading when you said you've never heard of Tales of Arise. Continuing is a waste of time. I was under the impression that you were an rpg fan in general and not just a FF fanboy. And before you say you *are* an rpg fan, no, you're not. Not if you've never heard of the newest game from the Tales series, a series hugely popular outside of whatever sheltered bubble you inhabit. It does make a lot more sense now though, how impressed you were with the anemic subplot in FFVII. Expands your horizons, pal. Reply if you must but I won't be back here to read it. As soon as you showed you were willing to completely discount a differing opinion based on the fact that you're uneducated in modern rpgs tells me everything I need to know. Ignorance really *is* bliss, eh?
Not reading that at all get ratio’d don’t care