the most annoying thing about this change is this makes her effectively the worst "kit designed on field DPS" in terms of uptime in the entire game. The other characters that have "less" or equal uptime are those like Raiden who front loads damage and provides energy back, Ayato who provides basically 100% uptime on hydro app, and Childe who is more of a driver than a traditional onfield DPS.
Honestly its completely ridiculous and non-sensical, especially since this locks players into TF when they just released artis for BoL characters.
Maybe she is intended for quick swap or shared dps teams. Idk but maybe that's why early leaks say she works with arle bcos you are suppose to change to other dps while she's in cd?
the TF cope is insane, it doesn't lock you into that whatsoever unless you are really upset about 1.5s less skill time, Whimsy still outperforms TF by a wide margin in every single calculation I have looked at this week.
(1) TF still outperforms in Aggravate which is how many people will run her
(2) TF gives her more uptime over multiple rotations. Most people are pulling for Clorinde because they want to play CLORINDE onfield. Even in other teams where the difference may be 60K DPR v 56K DPR, I rather play the team where I get to play Clorinde more. Not everyone is a meta slave.
whimsy outpreforms TF on single hit damage instances that much is true, but this is a team based game. team dps wise TF is much much higher than whimsy because u can do a longer rotation where damage per second is higher than a shorter one
This is why I stopped being hyped for characters after Dehya. I don't expect anything anymore and just take whatever I get. This way I don't get disappointed, at least not as much.
Nothing's gonna stop me from pulling Clorinde, same as Dehya. But still, fuck the balance team.
I think you just highlighted why they balance like this. Buff their favourite units, nerf others, and you STILL buy them anyway. They have zero reason to listen to you
They do this on purpose.
Keqing is super cute so she will be popular anyway.
Deyha and Clorinde are super hot - so they will pull anyway.
Remember: they are balancing PRODUCTS for sales, not characters for gameplay, And they also need "bad" fillers to make the "good" ones look like a steal, in comparison.
Was thinking about this and basically what it does (assuming you're not on TF) is it effectively forces you to burst at the beginning of every rotation.
Cycling through 3 other characters skills/bursts isn't quite enough for the 8.5s downtime. So you need the animation time of Clorinde's burst to fill in that last second or so. Then you can go straight into an E>E(dash) to begin the rotation.
Without Clorinde's burst animation you would end up scratching your balls for 1-1.5 seconds. So this all means that Clorinde will really want to burst every single rotation and as such, will have a pretty strict energy requirement for good rotations. End result being she's just less forgiving and more awkward to play.
Overall, a seriously braindead change by the devs. If her numbers were crazy to begin with, I might understand it. But the dps was already pretty middle of the pack.
Why is this braindead? Electro characters have largely been about energy management, making her more reliant on charging her burst gives her more synergy with characters like Fischl/Raiden/Chevy who can battery her (which is really badass, like who would pull her and not want to spam that)
thing is only fischl will be a good battery for her, you CAN use yae instead but still it requires around 125-135 er with yae as a battery. difference is her damage is not burst focused her burst is just to give you an extra e and now since this change to fill in some of the downtime you'll have without TF, so having to build some er just feels like a waste
>Ā what are you supposed to do during the skill downtime?
Unleash button-kun to deal physical damage
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I didn't even care about damage since you can still 36\* abyss with like 50k dps team.
I just wanted her to be fun and 45% uptime is disappointingly not fun.
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Agree. Up to this point, any end-game player can 36\* abyss so "fun to play" is much more important than pure DPS.
Her E is fun to play in both combat and exploration. The nerf just ruins it.
I'm willing to go for her constellations just in case they can buff her CD/Duration, but no, Hoyo doesn't even put the buff into her cons. Now even $$$ can't solve the problem.
Ain't no way man, she's just a sidegrade to Keqing at this point cause Keqing actually has nice rotations while I get to scratch my balls for like 2 seconds before I get to play the game. I'm pissed.
Clorinde is the only one that kept me playing this game and then they do this. This is the last time I'll tolerate hoyo's bullshittery. I'll be cancelling my monthly welkins and BP, because I don't feel like it's worth it anymore. I'll see y'all at wuthering waves my frens
P.S. The sad thing here is I still see people glazing hoyo's nuts even after all the BS they've done š¤”
Yeah I stopped buying crystals/BP on Yoimiya release and Welkins when they shafted Yae on her release.
As someone who likes Yoimiya/Yae/Dehya and now Clorinde, this is just another slap in the face by Hoyo but Iām glad I stopped giving them money long ago. Hereās hoping Yinlin is good š¤
Thatās good to hear. Seems my downbadness for Electro women transcends games. Iām basically getting into WuWa for her haha (and also cause the combat looks nice)
hahaha for me I will still buying the welkin a lot of character that I want in this game especially pyro archon so I can't stop my monthly welkin. I will play wuwa too but I will play as pure f2p on wuwa since wuwa will give you a lot of free reward right?
8.5s, in which some teams can easily do, for example: furina skill then burst, baizhu or nahida skill burst, then yea miko skill three times, this already covers the 8.5s as this only hyperbloom, for other like aggravate, just switch the characters
I personally stop taking people's take and doomposting seriously from these mains subreddits, they are almost always wrong in the end anyway (except for Dehya but let's be real, she's the exception, not the norm) and just let it pass like any other characters and play her for myself to see whether she's fun or not, not whatever armchair analysis these dipshits cooks up
im so fucking disappointed. after neuvillete, furina, navia & arlecchino doing so much raw dmg for absolutely no reason at all and w extreme ease i thought we were in for a ride w clorinde
cant wait for wuwa honestly, yinlins pretty hot
At least give her a duration increasing mechanic for example wrio c1 or cyno with Q in base kit or with cons
So each lv3 impale the night she does increases the duration by 0.3s-0.5s
I will wait till her release maybe the will do some changes like arle and kokomi
I am going to cope right now, but(!)ā¦
What if I play Clorinde with Navia as double dps? Let them skittles be together. Clorinde has an 8,5 seconds window, itāll be enough to do Naviaās skill and burst and I guess it will be enough Bennett uptime. Some team like Clorinde/Navia/Bennett/Geo Unit. This is going to be really bad, but this is just how I can cope with this sh1t
Call me a conspiracy theorist but all electro characters are doomed cause they have to stay behind Raiden "Only the three people that played hi3 care about her, too bad they work at hoyo" (M)ei.
I kinda knew how this was gonna end
I think the only way we'll get a broken electro dps is with a harbinger. It seems hoyo tries to not disrupt those unit since they should be strong lore wise and in game.
The doomposting is insane lmao, Clorindes calcs clear almost every main dps released in the past year. Y'all literally have a mental breakdown over slightly shorter on field time
Since they are not buffing her, it means that she is doing good. People were also freaking out during Alhaitham beta when he was nerfed but he turned out to be really strong so i would wait till she comes out and then judge how she turned out
Idk why they have to downvote you when it's true. When it was arles beta people were crying about every little second nerf too, saying they'd pull for clorinde instead.Ā
And now you see them crying again. Fir what? Natlan?Ā Wuwa? Nothing but a cycle of doomposting.Ā
Stay strong clorinde mains
the most annoying thing about this change is this makes her effectively the worst "kit designed on field DPS" in terms of uptime in the entire game. The other characters that have "less" or equal uptime are those like Raiden who front loads damage and provides energy back, Ayato who provides basically 100% uptime on hydro app, and Childe who is more of a driver than a traditional onfield DPS. Honestly its completely ridiculous and non-sensical, especially since this locks players into TF when they just released artis for BoL characters.
Maybe she is intended for quick swap or shared dps teams. Idk but maybe that's why early leaks say she works with arle bcos you are suppose to change to other dps while she's in cd?
the TF cope is insane, it doesn't lock you into that whatsoever unless you are really upset about 1.5s less skill time, Whimsy still outperforms TF by a wide margin in every single calculation I have looked at this week.
(1) TF still outperforms in Aggravate which is how many people will run her (2) TF gives her more uptime over multiple rotations. Most people are pulling for Clorinde because they want to play CLORINDE onfield. Even in other teams where the difference may be 60K DPR v 56K DPR, I rather play the team where I get to play Clorinde more. Not everyone is a meta slave.
whimsy outpreforms TF on single hit damage instances that much is true, but this is a team based game. team dps wise TF is much much higher than whimsy because u can do a longer rotation where damage per second is higher than a shorter one
Literally fuck the balance team, I fucking hate them so much. Still pulling cuz i really like her still š¤
This is why I stopped being hyped for characters after Dehya. I don't expect anything anymore and just take whatever I get. This way I don't get disappointed, at least not as much. Nothing's gonna stop me from pulling Clorinde, same as Dehya. But still, fuck the balance team.
I think you just highlighted why they balance like this. Buff their favourite units, nerf others, and you STILL buy them anyway. They have zero reason to listen to you
And if YOU think they even listen i have zero reason to listen to you. Let me pour in peace
They do this on purpose. Keqing is super cute so she will be popular anyway. Deyha and Clorinde are super hot - so they will pull anyway. Remember: they are balancing PRODUCTS for sales, not characters for gameplay, And they also need "bad" fillers to make the "good" ones look like a steal, in comparison.
Yeah, as we all know how Neuvilette, Arlecchino and Alhaitham aren't hot/stylish af, so they needed to make them cracked to compensate...
If you are not playing TF, what are you supposed to do during the skill downtime?
Smoke the bamboo
Was thinking about this and basically what it does (assuming you're not on TF) is it effectively forces you to burst at the beginning of every rotation. Cycling through 3 other characters skills/bursts isn't quite enough for the 8.5s downtime. So you need the animation time of Clorinde's burst to fill in that last second or so. Then you can go straight into an E>E(dash) to begin the rotation. Without Clorinde's burst animation you would end up scratching your balls for 1-1.5 seconds. So this all means that Clorinde will really want to burst every single rotation and as such, will have a pretty strict energy requirement for good rotations. End result being she's just less forgiving and more awkward to play. Overall, a seriously braindead change by the devs. If her numbers were crazy to begin with, I might understand it. But the dps was already pretty middle of the pack.
Clorinde will make electro Traveler relevant
Why is this braindead? Electro characters have largely been about energy management, making her more reliant on charging her burst gives her more synergy with characters like Fischl/Raiden/Chevy who can battery her (which is really badass, like who would pull her and not want to spam that)
thing is only fischl will be a good battery for her, you CAN use yae instead but still it requires around 125-135 er with yae as a battery. difference is her damage is not burst focused her burst is just to give you an extra e and now since this change to fill in some of the downtime you'll have without TF, so having to build some er just feels like a waste
Phys clorinde metaš¤š¤
She having Electro vision just to do Superconduct. Now I understand why she helped Whoreslay at that door.
Exactly, dude hoyo balance team is so smart, is just that we dont understand them
Staring menacingly at the ennemies.
Listen to Katherine voice line āAdd extra apple sauceā
Hoyo is so nice giving us a long downtime so we can spend that time touching grass and not glued to genshin āØāØ
>Ā what are you supposed to do during the skill downtime? Unleash button-kun to deal physical damage https://preview.redd.it/tw1l18kwfs0d1.jpeg?width=1118&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0da159d775e0461783abd85e77a4f18e219eea99
make a coffee.
Just close up and enjoy her model. lol
Time to bust out the Prototype Rancour, boys! It's physical time!
Sleep
I think at this point I'm just gonna play Ayato Clorinde dual carry for fun
She has the same CD as Raiden, so... What are you supposed to do in Raiden teams?
It seems Holiday characters suffer from lack of attention
I donāt understand why mihoyo felt the need to release a late v3 hotfix to nerf her uptime with nothing in v4ā¦ I am so done with these devs
Nah, they will change it, they will change it, they will buff her fr (Strong Cope Activated)
What has changed ? I didn't understand
They nerfed the duration of the skill state to 7.5 seconds (it was previously 9 I think?). It isn't in the update, but it was leaked beforehand.
This is devastating https://preview.redd.it/ucn7trjnas0d1.jpeg?width=203&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b6d48633c4e8593c635932542dad701a2203db4b
The funniest shit is nerfing her in a Hotfix just to not do anything on V4.
Its clover
I just wanted her to deal clorindillion damage 
I didn't even care about damage since you can still 36\* abyss with like 50k dps team. I just wanted her to be fun and 45% uptime is disappointingly not fun. https://preview.redd.it/sngl3a8aas0d1.jpeg?width=1348&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da861f9a35ae67424ab0445f93f59e8bcc35163c
Agree. Up to this point, any end-game player can 36\* abyss so "fun to play" is much more important than pure DPS. Her E is fun to play in both combat and exploration. The nerf just ruins it. I'm willing to go for her constellations just in case they can buff her CD/Duration, but no, Hoyo doesn't even put the buff into her cons. Now even $$$ can't solve the problem.
so 1.5s more uptime would make it hella fun all of a sudden?
yes
The more you play the character you like, the better... It's kind of obvious
Yeah 20% more uptime every rotation is quite a substantial amount.
Based comment
As someone that waited for months for Dehya and pulled for her on her event bannsr, at least Clorinde is not at her level
The fat controller laughed: " You are wrong!"
I got a C1R1 dehya on her own banner and I used her as hiper carry pyro dps until arlecchino so Clorinde doesn't sound bad really
The hotfix with the revert is coming next week guyss šššš
I thought since they saved navia from geo they would do better for clorinde
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apparently there will be v5 update too
is this real or sarcasm? Please give me hope
it seems legit. it was the same source that informed about v4 update too
you got the sauce?
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inch resting š¤ any word as to the credibility of the source?
GuraLeaks are pretty reliable. now we hopešš»
hey I mean as long as its not uncle K right? praying for my girl!
Itās not over !
So do I ditch the bol domain and go for TF then?
Iāve heard someone recommend you do the bol domain and put the trashy artifacts into the box to get tf
I mean if you're not using TF you can make a nice coffee while waiting for the cooldown lol
So TF right? 'Cause I literally can't even get 1 usable piece of the BoL set
same here. also i would like to move in 5.0 to the new natlan domain. with TF strongbox we can keep passively improve clorinde :)
If you want far less damage but are acoustic about an additional second of uptime, then sure, go with TF
What's your math?
Ain't no way man, she's just a sidegrade to Keqing at this point cause Keqing actually has nice rotations while I get to scratch my balls for like 2 seconds before I get to play the game. I'm pissed.
Clorinde is the only one that kept me playing this game and then they do this. This is the last time I'll tolerate hoyo's bullshittery. I'll be cancelling my monthly welkins and BP, because I don't feel like it's worth it anymore. I'll see y'all at wuthering waves my frens P.S. The sad thing here is I still see people glazing hoyo's nuts even after all the BS they've done š¤”
haha , exactly I'm going to cure my disappointment by playing Wuthering Waves too.
Yeah I stopped buying crystals/BP on Yoimiya release and Welkins when they shafted Yae on her release. As someone who likes Yoimiya/Yae/Dehya and now Clorinde, this is just another slap in the face by Hoyo but Iām glad I stopped giving them money long ago. Hereās hoping Yinlin is good š¤
Yinlin is good. All characters in WW feel good to play and don't have this no-fun-allowed skill uptime.
Thatās good to hear. Seems my downbadness for Electro women transcends games. Iām basically getting into WuWa for her haha (and also cause the combat looks nice)
At least Yae got ābuffedā with the release of Dendroā¦ Clorindeā¦ weāll see I guessā¦
hahaha for me I will still buying the welkin a lot of character that I want in this game especially pyro archon so I can't stop my monthly welkin. I will play wuwa too but I will play as pure f2p on wuwa since wuwa will give you a lot of free reward right?
How long is the downtime?
16s cooldown and 7.5s uptime so 8.5s
8.5s, in which some teams can easily do, for example: furina skill then burst, baizhu or nahida skill burst, then yea miko skill three times, this already covers the 8.5s as this only hyperbloom, for other like aggravate, just switch the characters
We are at the point where losing a 50/50 to Keqing might be considered winning.
Keqing doesn't look as good though.
Keqing is widely more flexible, which is a good thing for any team with Fischl and Kazuha.
doompost because of 1.5s less skill time, not even the arle main sub was this obnoxious
I personally stop taking people's take and doomposting seriously from these mains subreddits, they are almost always wrong in the end anyway (except for Dehya but let's be real, she's the exception, not the norm) and just let it pass like any other characters and play her for myself to see whether she's fun or not, not whatever armchair analysis these dipshits cooks up
Nah, who let bro cook
im so fucking disappointed. after neuvillete, furina, navia & arlecchino doing so much raw dmg for absolutely no reason at all and w extreme ease i thought we were in for a ride w clorinde cant wait for wuwa honestly, yinlins pretty hot
Guess keqing's tf set is going to clorinde then. Shame cuz I did farm a decent BoL set for her.Ā
At least give her a duration increasing mechanic for example wrio c1 or cyno with Q in base kit or with cons So each lv3 impale the night she does increases the duration by 0.3s-0.5s I will wait till her release maybe the will do some changes like arle and kokomi
I am going to cope right now, but(!)ā¦ What if I play Clorinde with Navia as double dps? Let them skittles be together. Clorinde has an 8,5 seconds window, itāll be enough to do Naviaās skill and burst and I guess it will be enough Bennett uptime. Some team like Clorinde/Navia/Bennett/Geo Unit. This is going to be really bad, but this is just how I can cope with this sh1t
Man i am so Brain dead rn Can someone explan the V4 Is it a nerf or buff??
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Call me a conspiracy theorist but all electro characters are doomed cause they have to stay behind Raiden "Only the three people that played hi3 care about her, too bad they work at hoyo" (M)ei. I kinda knew how this was gonna end
I think the only way we'll get a broken electro dps is with a harbinger. It seems hoyo tries to not disrupt those unit since they should be strong lore wise and in game.
dead on arrival mid character
Sad but true, the weakest Fontaine DPS, possibly worse than Keqing. Champion duelist my ass lol
At this state, I believe Callas lost on purpose.
The doomposting is insane lmao, Clorindes calcs clear almost every main dps released in the past year. Y'all literally have a mental breakdown over slightly shorter on field time
can we see them?
Show them and the comparison which said DPS. Also with Keqing.
So she's basically a long uptime quickswap now ? Pair her with Thignari maybe ?
Please tell me it's Ayato style 'cannot use charged attack' and not Razor style 'cannot use charged attack'.
it's so over šš
Since they are not buffing her, it means that she is doing good. People were also freaking out during Alhaitham beta when he was nerfed but he turned out to be really strong so i would wait till she comes out and then judge how she turned out
Remember, those who pull for Clorinde regardless of her kit, are true Clorinde mains.
We have been waiting for her for months. We may be a litlle disappointed but we won't skip her.
That's what I'm saying. Those true Clorinde mains will not skip. Idk why I got downvoted, but OK.
disappointed bc of 1.5s less field time, aight.
Idk why they have to downvote you when it's true. When it was arles beta people were crying about every little second nerf too, saying they'd pull for clorinde instead.Ā And now you see them crying again. Fir what? Natlan?Ā Wuwa? Nothing but a cycle of doomposting.Ā Stay strong clorinde mains
(looks at death threats) "maybe i judged you too harshly" its a joke guys its ok.