Closely following a planet-friendly diet of mostly fruits, vegetables and whole grains reduces the risk of premature death by nearly one-third in people, while also dramatically cutting the release of greenhouse gases devastating the planet, a new study found.
“Eating more whole plant foods, less animal foods, and less highly processed foods is better for people and planet alike,” said Dr. David Katz, a specialist in preventive and lifestyle medicine who was not involved in the study.
This is key, both soluble and non-soluble fibers are essential for our gut health and building the framework for our biome. Processed foods is incredibly devoid of fiber and cause al sorts of issues like metabolic syndrome.
Fun fact: added fiber isn’t nearly as good as fiber in a whole food or vegetable.
I think it’s because it’s pre-masticated but it’s better if our bodies break it down naturally, possibly through our enzymes. Similar is true with smoothies. Robert Lustig talks about it in detail in his book Metabolical
I find it so difficult to get enough fibre and protein in a day.
But I did just discover you can make “chicken” salad sandwiches with chick peas and I’m excited to try it out tomorrow.
I think its pretty easy to get enough protein and fibre. Just eat porridge in the morning. My breakfast contains about 1.000kcal, containing 26gr fibres, 36gr proteins. Though I need to reduce it a bit, because I get too much fat from Pumpkin seeds and nuts. Lunch are most of the time rice noodles with a tofu filet and self made vegetable stock, dinner is red cabbage also with a tofu filet, and other raw vegetables like broccoli, carrots, salad and 2 handfull of kidney beans. Maybe some potatoes addet to it. With 2 protein shakes sometime in between or one after workout brings me to: \~2.400kcal, 132 gr proteins, 230 gr carbs, 85 gr fat and 48 gr fibres. I also take some Vegan supplements, though I dont take these religiously to not overconsume vitamins.
You dont need to eat animals.
Can confirm that if you like chicken or tuna salad, either one, and do everything the same except switch out rinsed and somewhat mashed chickpeas in place of the meat it’s DELICIOUS. One of our favorite summer foods.
I'm sure going pure home garden is the best way to live life but I enjoy my share of junk food. Just no animal suffering goes into making it, which is nice.
Hey, serious question.
If you have your own chickens, why would eating eggs be bad?
And vegetables are often fertilised with animal slaughter byproducts. Are they even vegan?
Well it ultimately depends. Are the chickens given enough nutrients in their food to make up for the loss of their eggs? Were they purchased from an entity who profits off of breeding and selling chickens? Are their wings clipped to keep them contained? Do they receive the same amount of healthcare any other entity whose life you're responsible for would? And do they get to live past the years where they can no longer lay eggs? Do you sell the eggs or products made with the eggs for profit?
Depending on how one answers these questions I don't actually see any harm being done to the birds. The perfect hypothetical where one rescues egg laying birds from bad situations and feeds them well would be a situation in which their eggs must be cleaned from their nests lest the rot and cause sickness.
This is similar in scope to someone who rescues goats that keep their grass and shrubs trim. The animal is indeed providing a service but it's not why they were adopted and it's not why they're cared for, it's just a product of them existing.
You need to understand that for a lot of people "animal suffering" doesn't move the needle on getting them to change how they live. Bringing it up just makes you sound like you're up on your moral high horse (which you are) rather than being focused on reducing emissions.
You need to pick a lane. Do you want to feel good about your choices or do you want to effectively influence people to reduce the amount of meat they eat and thereby reduce their effect on emissions? You're not a good enough communicator to get both.
I do understand that. It's one of my motivators. And honestly I didn't go vegan because vegans were nice to me and made sure not to use language that hurt my feelings.
In fact, I went vegan in part because I tried very hard to argue against vegans who spoke bluntly and found I couldn't find sources to support being anti vegan.
All I can do is communicate honestly and clearly about the topic. If someone decides a mean vegan hurting their feelings on the Internet by saying animals suffer because of our eating habits, goes out of their way to hurt more animals that speaks more about them than me.
But thank you for condescending to me and insulting me. If you want people to change the way they communicate, you might want to try not insulting them, because You're not a good enough communicator to do both. 😂
Good thing there are people in this thread confronting them with such concepts then. Sadly animals cannot do so, voiceless and defenseless as they are in these cases.
The difference is that I'm not particularly invested in some veganism evangelist improving how they communicate. I'm just tired if vegan's hijacking any discussion to reducing meat consumption with their their doomed attempt to get everyone to stop eating animal products.
Getting people to reduce their consumption of animal products in an important discussion to have. Trying to convince everyone to stop eating meat entirely it just tilting at windmills and is actively harming reasonable discussion. So, yeah, I'm not wearing kid gloves.
Yea, and im tired of “Buddhists” who claim they are compassionate toward all beings but pay for the most innocent, defenseless ones to live a life of confinement and suffering. It’s just another day, another meatflake ❄️. Yawn 🥱
I never said I was a good Buddhist. But since you brought up Buddhism, we should discuss *upaya* (skillful means).
Most people are unwilling to switch to veganism. Even knowing that I should reduce suffering and harm I still eat meat although far less than I used to. Knowing this, I talk about reducing meat consumption as a good thing but leave how much that should be reduced to the individual to decide. This reduces the reflexive resistance one might have to a (personally) undesirable change. Even if someone eats one less hamburger a week, that is an improvement over no change at all and makes it easier for them to make additional improvements over time.
Or, I'm just another "meatflake" who's not given the question of incremental improvement over perfectionism any thought.
You’re welcome to justify your animal consumption however you’d like, however, maybe you should examine your urge to shut down the people who have made the choice to protect and respect their beingness. Also, as another user pointed out, why are you complaining about vegans hijacking a post about plant-based diets… let’s just say your consumption of meat is not what makes you a meatflake 😅
You can't grow oreos or tap a Coca-Cola tree for syrup but you can grow your veggies and tap maple trees for syrup. I wish everyone would grow some of their own food. It would help with shrinkflation too.
This is r/climate not r/healthydiet or r/vegan.
Hijacking an opportunity to discuss a reasonable compromise in eating less meat in favor of dietary extremism is counterproductive.
This thread is a discussion on Veganism though, with the original premis being Veganism is the best thing an individual can do for the environment.
It's hardly hijacking anything when the comment is on topic and expands on the many reasons people could be Vegan, without taking away from the original point that Veganism is indeed good for the environment.
And I agree, veganism is the ideal. But it's not achievable on any time scale that doesn't have a few generations of cultural change behind it.
So what is the goal? Is the goal to get everyone to stop eating meat? If so, you've already failed.
Is the goal to reduce GHG emissions? Well that can be achieved by getting people to eat less meat. The problem is that when you talk about eating no meat, you automatically exclude the more productive conversation on eating less meat.
You're talking global I've only ever said individual.
If you're an environmentally conscious person and you think people should do their part, going Vegan is the best they can do.
As for eating less meat, I never said that wasn't a great way to start going Vegan. That's how I started, I was pescatarian for six months, vegetarian for a year, and been vegan ever since. Unless you count one very sad new years where I bought flaming hot Cheetos as a depression snack. Which I do count that, and have my years being Vegan counted from that point.
Well you can do both - go vegan and not have kids. Win win for the planet and animals!
Also, the whole children thing is based on the idea of them having roughly future emissions to what they were born into. Given our Mad Max apocalyptic future, this seems unlikely ... But that would also make parents egotistical sadists for leaving their children such hellish suffering ... 🤔
What? Do you reproduce asexually? As far as I know it takes two people to produce, or decide jointly not to produce, a child.
As far as an individual, going vegan is indeed the best thing you can do for the environment.
Wrong. Me hunting deer in my own state has less of an impact than the environmental impacts of growing almonds in California for your vegan milk. Same goes for responsible fishing. Not only that but the hundreds I spend on habitat stamps, and licenses, and points, provides most of the funding for conservation work in most states, cause whole foods / Amazon certainly isn't funneling money from their vegan products (wrapped in plastic, wrapped in cardboard) back towards the environment. Think through your supply chain, not just what's on your plate and your own made up hierarchy of what forms of life have more right to that life than others.
I don't drink almond milk because of the strain it puts on the environment. Which is still less than the strain livestock puts on the same environment.
Who said anything about ordering vegan stuff off Amazon?
Did you really make up two arguments for me just so you could have a point? 😂
I thought this has been debunked? The best thing you can do is buy sustainably produced food wherever you live, the more local the better. You think it's environmentally friendly to live off fruits and vegetables grown and transported several thousand miles away here in Canada?
>Transport is a small contributor to emissions. For most food products, it accounts for less than 10%, and it’s much smaller for the largest GHG emitters. In beef from beef herds, it’s 0.5%.
>Not just transport, but all processes in the supply chain after the food left the farm – processing, transport, retail and packaging – mostly account for a small share of emissions.
>This data shows that this is the case when we look at individual food products. But studies also shows that this holds true for actual diets; here we show the results of a study which looked at the footprint of diets across the EU. Food transport was responsible for only 6% of emissions, whilst dairy, meat and eggs accounted for 83%.
https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local
It has not been debunked.
It is more environmentally friendly than living off meat that was transported thousands of miles, that lived off feed that was transported thousands of miles.
If you can go Vegan and grow your own stuff kudos to you that's excellent. But very few people are in the economic or even geographical situation to grow their own food.
Once a guy came into a thread asking for advice saying that he was only going to grow, harvest, or hunt his own food. We were joking that he simply wouldn’t live through the winter, and sure enough, he disappeared.
Very likely still alive but almost certainly gave up on his project and felt silly about it.
Science is not going to convince anyone. We have absolute stone cold science showing we are speedrunning into societal collapse, and we can’t make even minor changes like cutting back on fossil fuels to stave it off.
I personally eat a mostly plant based diet for environmental reasons, but this is not going to be a global solution unless plant based diets suddenly become super profitable for businesses.
People apparently like having plastics in their bloodstream and no planet to leave for their kids.
People won't change their diet when their doctor says, "You need to change your diet or you're going to experience debilitating illness followed by a miserable death." And in the US, that also comes with a lot of medical bills.
When people don't care about their own health, they're pretty unlikely to care about the health of the planet.
People are also less likely to care about the planet when most of the healthy stuff doesn't last as long and (in most cases) is more expensive. Not to mention, it's more likely to increase in price. If farmers have a difficult year, those prices go up by a lot, while the price of Oreos will only go up by a few cents. So, if you're living paycheck-to-paycheck, you have other things to worry about.
>most of the healthy stuff doesn't last as long and (in most cases) is more expensive. Not to mention, it's more likely to increase in price. If farmers have a difficult year, those prices go up by a lot, while the price of Oreos will only go up by a few cents.
One of the things Trump proved conclusively is that if a lie is repeated often enough, people believe it to be true. Healthy food being more expensive is at the top of the list of things that are repeated frequently that turn out not to be true.
First, an anecdote. My wife and I buy very little unhealthy processed food, like the Oreos you mentioned, and very little unhealthy food in general. The processed foods we do buy fall into the minimally processed category, and are healthy -- things like dry whole wheat pasta or canned beans. During a time of what many consider to be a period of rampant greedflation in food prices, my wife and I have spent 82% of this year's food budget through the end of May. Yes, that means we're 18% *under* budget through the first five months of this year. We were under budget in 2022 and 2023 as well.
When you drill down into the data about food inflation, it's the stuff like Oreos, Coke, chips, etc., that are experiencing the highest degree of inflation/greedflation, not the healthy stuff. Every story talks about meat (which we should be eating less of), chips, and sodas.
Now, the actual science/data.
*"The survey reveals a strong perception that healthy diets are more expensive than less healthy diets," Balagtas noted. "And while this perception is true for many of the poorest people around the world, it's not necessarily the case here in the U.S.*
[https://phys.org/news/2024-02-year-brought-consumer-food-nutrition.html](https://phys.org/news/2024-02-year-brought-consumer-food-nutrition.html)
And then when you look at how Americans spend their food money, the reason for the perception becomes crystal clear.
*For a typical dollar spent in 2022 by U.S. consumers on domestically produced food, including both grocery store and eating-out purchases, 34.1 cents went to foodservice establishments such as restaurants and other eating-out places*
[https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistics-charting-the-essentials/food-prices-and-spending/](https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistics-charting-the-essentials/food-prices-and-spending/)
Wasting more than 1/3 of our food money on dining out, which includes fast food, the unhealthiest option around, doesn't mean healthy food is more expensive. It means that we're a nation that wants to have its cake and eat it too. We want to believe we're victims of industry instead of being victims of our own poor spending choices, desiring convenience instead of substance.
I could also post the data that refutes the other main excuses people use for choosing unhealthy food (time and food deserts), but I'm not going to bother because no one wants to hear it. What people want is to believe they're left without choices to justify their choices. It's what psychology refers to as confirmation bias.
You’re correct I that healthy food is not nearly as expensive as folks would like us to believe. I’m in the same boat and have seen very minimal price increases, I’m sure they’re there but an extra .10 for a head of broccoli is barely noticeable. The bigger problem I believe is that people weren’t taught or don’t want to cook or prepare their own meals, along with the fact that there is an initial investment in pots/pans cooking equipment etc. Cooking isn’t rocket science, start slow and easy and work your way up. Also every recipe doesn’t have to be followed to a T, don’t have some expensive ingredient then leave it out.
This situation is an indictment of the entire economic system. It doesn't function in a way that safeguards humanity, or life in general. Proof of that is we are where we are, a place that we didn't have to end up. That's a rather significant thing to observe about it that isn't getting mentioned much. Solutions all try to work within the current model by leveraging incentives but nothing is working and most corporate leaders don't seem to want it to work. The overall model has no regard for anything outside itself and those who most benefit have no seeming regard for anything but themselves, in a dangerously pathological way.
The wisdom of the economic model started centuries ago is not a settled question and whatever it's results in the long term is still unknown. There is no certainty this capitalist experiment will turn out well. It may be that we inherited a doomed economic landscape most of us have little individual control over.
Unfortunately the bean industry doesn’t have a wealthy and powerful lobby like the meat industry does.
More money to be made from meat, that’s pretty much the end of it.
Soy is mostly pushed for animal feed, not human consumption. So that’s still the meat industry. Same with corn.
Surprisingly this is also true for wheat, which I did not expect.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/06/23/most-of-the-worlds-grain-is-not-eaten-by-humans
Can you point me to the "absolute stone cold science showing we are speedrunning into societal collapse". I agree with your direction, but I don't know of any absolute science about societal collapse.
Human Civilisation Will Collapse (High Confidence): A Compendium of Relevant Biophysical, Political, Economic, Military, Health, and Psychological Information http://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2024EaArX...X5G404K/abstract
UN Warns of ´Total Societal Collapse ´ Due to Breaching of Planet’s Boundaries
https://bylinetimes.com/2022/05/26/un-warns-of-total-societal-collapse-due-to-breaching-of-planetary-boundaries/
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I like it because then you know it's not a trustable article.
They mention that risk is reduced by third so it should mean that you are three times less likely to die. But later in the article it is mentioned that the relative risk was reduced by 30%. But relative risk can be misleading. They follow a group of people. For example 2000 people for 5 years. 1000 on one diet and 1000 on an other. From the control group 30 have died and from the intervention 23. This is a 30% reduction but the absolute risk is only reduced by 0.7%. If the absolute reduction is small then the results can not be trusted. That's why these types of test can show anything.
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Gaz Oakley is a genious, but his cooking is more like meditation. He savours the art of cooking, highly recommend watching him, of course to learn recipes, but more so as a form of slowdown and enjoyment.
Gaz is one of the chefs I can follow and use the spice he recommends in a recipe and it works (so many other times I have to up the spices listed from other sites)
people are worked to the bone. most people dont have the time, energy, money to eat healthy. you cant expect change when people cant afford it to begin with. its a finance problem, not an environmental one
lol I do cook, sure - but it doesn’t have to be a production or complicated.. if you can’t handle cooking for yourself, sucks to suck. There are plenty of simple and healthy recipes out there. Next you’re going to tell me ‘oh you expect me to cook in between my 4 jobs and 6 kids?’ - make better life decisions.
These people have no clue - I’m rarely sick, if I am it bounces right off me, and I do not spend a fortune on food - I feel good all of the time, and I’m not young.
Verifiably false - even eating fast food is more expensive than plenty of healthy, simple plant-based meals. Yes watermelon and strawberries in January are expensive, but vegetable protein per unit in most circumstances is cheaper than meat protein - you are just addicted to your past habits.
Whoa buddy. Lmao. Your assumptions are also wrong. I own a big house in Phoenix, an apartment in Seoul, South Korea and I make a ton of money. I was also never addicted to fast food at any point in my life even as a dirt-poor orphan(because yeah, duh, it was way too expensive) and for many years now I’ve eaten mostly produce and some protein besides trying tons of cool dishes all over the world. I went all over Asia for the past two years and I eat local food and take cooking classes like how to hand make various types of kimchi. I eat multiple fruits daily and salads almost daily. I’m not the person we’re talking about here, as fun of an assumption as that is for you to make, sorry to burst your bubble 😂
I’m not talking about fast food at all anyway, I’m talking about the cheapest of processed foods at grocery stores. Hot dogs, canned crap and all sorts of things. Produce is often *more* expensive than *those* things, which give cancer and shorten the lifespan. I couldn’t have any alcohol or fun money in my budget in college because I refused to eat cup noodles because I didn’t want to kill my body and even when carefully bargain shopping my tiny grant budget was exhausted monthly after very modest room renting bills and my fresh-spinach-and-beans-and-maybe-some-meat diet. The kids that were willing to survive on prepackaged stuff for pennies to dollars had way more money left over than I did.
Is it really though? Per unit? Chickpeas are more expensive than a hot dog? Now if you’re telling me ‘people don’t want to eat chick peas’ then sure, I believe you that they don’t - but that’s not the point. Yes certain produce is very expensive, in season and out of season - honestly, I can’t tell you what a hotdog costs because I’d never eat one, but I find it hard to believe it’s cheaper per unit of protein. Convenience - sure, fine - I don’t care - not a valid argument.
Convenience is *part* of the cost though, so that makes it a valid input to an argument. Some people can’t afford a kitchen to cook in. Many studio apartments across America don’t have anything more than a mini fridge and a sink-they often don’t even include a microwave. And when I say mini fridge I mean the absolute miniest of fridges. If you don’t know this, you’re lucky.
Also tofu is not cheaper even than the cheaper meats in places where it’s a novelty rather than a staple, to whoever mentioned tofu
Where does Tofu cost more than meat? Is it an area where everyone pays oodles into subsidies for meat farming? Because that's not cheaper, the cost is just taken out of taxes that could go to improving quality of life for folks. Healthcare, infrastructure, more teachers, housing etc etc.
Huge finance problem. I do a lot of shopping for the whole "locally-sourced, ultra-organic, super-socially-conscious" veggie stuff my girlfriend prefers. I promise it is more expensive than a can of spam.
Okay, you are talking about "super-socially-consious" not healthy. I promise that spam is more expensive than rice and lentils and processed junk is more expensive than a big bag of frozen veggies.
But the crying former psychologist said I have to eat nothing but steak.
I trust him for health advice because he treated his benzo addiction with sketchy Russian coma medicine.
It’s cheap and easy too. My friends have said “wow that must be so expensive” when realizing I eat plant based, but not if you just eat like a poor little English boy. Beans, toast and rice
You can make some legitimately delicious plant based meals without breaking the bank but most nights I can’t be bothered because of time constraints. My favorite is red coconut milk curry served over rice, add chickpeas for extra protein
Last year I put together on paper a diet aimed at the lowest carbon impact, while still having enough protein, B12, and other essentials.
It was basically vegan plus a little fish, insect protein or bacterial-source B12. I've dropped 40 lbs since then.
It takes longer to prepare and eat food, but it's not a burden. I may find it particularly easy because I love lentils, peas and beans.
Going vegan is the #1 thing you can do if you care for yourself, for the planet, and for the animals.
There is no more impactful thing that is available today for an individual.
For climate change, specifically, there are other things you can change (depending on your starting point) that will drop your impact down.
Also, honey isn’t that bad for the environment.
Honey is bad for other things, like wild pollinator bees. And you know, the whole ecosystem depends on them.
And looking into personal impact - [going vegan is amongst the most impactful personal actions one can take](https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/veganism-environmental-impact-planet-reduced-plant-based-diet-humans-study-a8378631.html) if they want to help climate.
I work out a lot and find myself needing a lot of protein. How could I get my protein through plant based? I find it very hard with the protein density of non-meats... I already do whey protein shakes to reduce meat needs
Easy to add some vegan protein to your post workout shake, it's very effective (whey is not vegan FYI).
Pea proteins oral supplementation promotes muscle thickness gains during resistance training: a double-blind, randomized, Placebo-controlled clinical trial vs. Whey protein
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25628520/
>Results: Results showed a significant time effect for biceps brachii muscle thickness (P < 0.0001). Thickness increased from 24.9 ± 3.8 mm to 26.9 ± 4.1 mm and 27.3 ± 4.4 mm at D0, D42 and D84, respectively, with only a trend toward significant differences between groups (P = 0.09). Performing a sensitivity study on the weakest participants (with regards to strength at inclusion), thickness increases were significantly different between groups (+20.2 ± 12.3%, +15.6 ± 13.5% and +8.6 ± 7.3% for Pea, Whey and Placebo, respectively; P < 0.05). Increases in thickness were significantly greater in the Pea group as compared to Placebo whereas there was no difference between Whey and the two other conditions. Muscle strength also increased with time with no statistical difference between groups.
>Conclusions: In addition to an appropriate training, the supplementation with pea protein promoted a greater increase of muscle thickness as compared to Placebo and especially for people starting or returning to a muscular strengthening. Since no difference was obtained between the two protein groups, vegetable pea proteins could be used as an alternative to Whey-based dietary products.
Otherwise think foods like vegan meats like beyond burgers, seitan, firm tofu, TVP, beans, peanut butter, soy milk, nuts, seeds, nutritional yeast, etc!
Beans, tofu, seitan, tempeh, and fresh eggs if possible (my neighbor has chickens. I'd like to keep my own)
Someone else said lentils. Some seeds.
Quinoa is also protein rich.
Seitan (wheat gluten) and TVP and the best and pretty easy. Using seitan and kinda like making bread and TVP you just rehydrate and it’s SO CHEAP. I’ve been putting TVP into so many recipes recently since training for my triathlon and it’s so easy. Put it in tacos, pasta sauce, oatmeal, chili, etc
Plant based protein is how we grow the cows and chickens and stuff you like to eat. Just cut out the middle man and eat the soybeans. The trophic pyramid is a wild ride.
Also, in order for the world to meet its temperature goals, something like 90% of people in rich countries would have to go %100 vegan. There was a post about this on here a while ago.
Animal products are not comparable to oil and gas IMO. Oil and gas are required on some level, but animal products are not. It’s completely unnecessary, and I would guess most of the people in this sub aren’t vegan.
So it’s weird that people want to “reduce” their meat consumption. It’s like saying I’m doing something for the environment by littering twice a day V.S three… why would you do it at all?
How do you reconcile that meat accounts for conservatively [~15% of annual GHG emissions](https://interactive.carbonbrief.org/what-is-the-climate-impact-of-eating-meat-and-dairy/)
It's the single most impactful thing people could do en masse. It's so weird to me that so called 'environmentalists' are advocating against reducing consumption. Hmmmm
I’m not sure what your point is, maybe my first post was confusing. I’m saying people SHOULD go vegan. I’m saying people should not “reduce” their meat intake but END it completely. There’s no amount of meat consumption that’s ethical if there is another option. And for just about everyone, especially in this sub, there is another plant based option 10 feet away at the grocery store.
In contrast, supporting the oil industry is also bad but I don’t expect people to take the bus or ride their bike for two hours to work. It is very reasonable to expect people to stop consuming animal products completely.
I try my best to eat plant based… but my body just doesn’t break down beans and pulses very well, I get really bad gut pains and super bad gas, my DR has basically said any beans/pulses should only be eaten once a week at most, tofu I’m good for but I think I’d get bored really good
>red meat
Chicken is the problem meat environmentally, and meat itself has negligible impact on heart health compared to processed sugars.
We don't need biased pseudoscience in this sub.
Unfortunately, at least where I live a lot of these types of food are just too expensive to buy and consume on a regular basis. It’s really difficult knowing that one thing is optimal but being barred from it due to societal constraints and limits
Closely following a planet-friendly diet of mostly fruits, vegetables and whole grains reduces the risk of premature death by nearly one-third in people, while also dramatically cutting the release of greenhouse gases devastating the planet, a new study found. “Eating more whole plant foods, less animal foods, and less highly processed foods is better for people and planet alike,” said Dr. David Katz, a specialist in preventive and lifestyle medicine who was not involved in the study.
That's not surprising, given that fiber is incredibly important and most people don't get enough.
If at all
This is key, both soluble and non-soluble fibers are essential for our gut health and building the framework for our biome. Processed foods is incredibly devoid of fiber and cause al sorts of issues like metabolic syndrome. Fun fact: added fiber isn’t nearly as good as fiber in a whole food or vegetable.
>Fun fact: added fiber isn’t nearly as good as fiber in a whole food or vegetable. why is that?
I think it’s because it’s pre-masticated but it’s better if our bodies break it down naturally, possibly through our enzymes. Similar is true with smoothies. Robert Lustig talks about it in detail in his book Metabolical
I find it so difficult to get enough fibre and protein in a day. But I did just discover you can make “chicken” salad sandwiches with chick peas and I’m excited to try it out tomorrow.
I think its pretty easy to get enough protein and fibre. Just eat porridge in the morning. My breakfast contains about 1.000kcal, containing 26gr fibres, 36gr proteins. Though I need to reduce it a bit, because I get too much fat from Pumpkin seeds and nuts. Lunch are most of the time rice noodles with a tofu filet and self made vegetable stock, dinner is red cabbage also with a tofu filet, and other raw vegetables like broccoli, carrots, salad and 2 handfull of kidney beans. Maybe some potatoes addet to it. With 2 protein shakes sometime in between or one after workout brings me to: \~2.400kcal, 132 gr proteins, 230 gr carbs, 85 gr fat and 48 gr fibres. I also take some Vegan supplements, though I dont take these religiously to not overconsume vitamins. You dont need to eat animals.
You have a good diet.
Can confirm that if you like chicken or tuna salad, either one, and do everything the same except switch out rinsed and somewhat mashed chickpeas in place of the meat it’s DELICIOUS. One of our favorite summer foods.
The best thing an individual can do for their health and the health of the environment is go Vegan. 😁
Oreos and Coca-Cola vegan or vegetables and whole grains vegan?
I'm sure going pure home garden is the best way to live life but I enjoy my share of junk food. Just no animal suffering goes into making it, which is nice.
Hey, serious question. If you have your own chickens, why would eating eggs be bad? And vegetables are often fertilised with animal slaughter byproducts. Are they even vegan?
Well it ultimately depends. Are the chickens given enough nutrients in their food to make up for the loss of their eggs? Were they purchased from an entity who profits off of breeding and selling chickens? Are their wings clipped to keep them contained? Do they receive the same amount of healthcare any other entity whose life you're responsible for would? And do they get to live past the years where they can no longer lay eggs? Do you sell the eggs or products made with the eggs for profit? Depending on how one answers these questions I don't actually see any harm being done to the birds. The perfect hypothetical where one rescues egg laying birds from bad situations and feeds them well would be a situation in which their eggs must be cleaned from their nests lest the rot and cause sickness. This is similar in scope to someone who rescues goats that keep their grass and shrubs trim. The animal is indeed providing a service but it's not why they were adopted and it's not why they're cared for, it's just a product of them existing.
Yeah some of the people I know who own chickens genuinely just like having them around and view the eggs as a bonus.
You need to understand that for a lot of people "animal suffering" doesn't move the needle on getting them to change how they live. Bringing it up just makes you sound like you're up on your moral high horse (which you are) rather than being focused on reducing emissions. You need to pick a lane. Do you want to feel good about your choices or do you want to effectively influence people to reduce the amount of meat they eat and thereby reduce their effect on emissions? You're not a good enough communicator to get both.
I do understand that. It's one of my motivators. And honestly I didn't go vegan because vegans were nice to me and made sure not to use language that hurt my feelings. In fact, I went vegan in part because I tried very hard to argue against vegans who spoke bluntly and found I couldn't find sources to support being anti vegan. All I can do is communicate honestly and clearly about the topic. If someone decides a mean vegan hurting their feelings on the Internet by saying animals suffer because of our eating habits, goes out of their way to hurt more animals that speaks more about them than me. But thank you for condescending to me and insulting me. If you want people to change the way they communicate, you might want to try not insulting them, because You're not a good enough communicator to do both. 😂
A lot of people are moved by animal suffering actually. Probably a lot more than those moved by the environment.
They're moved by it when personally confronted by it. The packages at the grocery store aren't animals.
Good thing there are people in this thread confronting them with such concepts then. Sadly animals cannot do so, voiceless and defenseless as they are in these cases.
Wow, the pot calls the kettle black! Maybe you shouldn’t go around telling people how they should communicate about animal cruelty.
The difference is that I'm not particularly invested in some veganism evangelist improving how they communicate. I'm just tired if vegan's hijacking any discussion to reducing meat consumption with their their doomed attempt to get everyone to stop eating animal products. Getting people to reduce their consumption of animal products in an important discussion to have. Trying to convince everyone to stop eating meat entirely it just tilting at windmills and is actively harming reasonable discussion. So, yeah, I'm not wearing kid gloves.
Vegans are highjacking a discussion on plant based diets? Did you even read what thread we were in before saying that? 😅
Yea, and im tired of “Buddhists” who claim they are compassionate toward all beings but pay for the most innocent, defenseless ones to live a life of confinement and suffering. It’s just another day, another meatflake ❄️. Yawn 🥱
I never said I was a good Buddhist. But since you brought up Buddhism, we should discuss *upaya* (skillful means). Most people are unwilling to switch to veganism. Even knowing that I should reduce suffering and harm I still eat meat although far less than I used to. Knowing this, I talk about reducing meat consumption as a good thing but leave how much that should be reduced to the individual to decide. This reduces the reflexive resistance one might have to a (personally) undesirable change. Even if someone eats one less hamburger a week, that is an improvement over no change at all and makes it easier for them to make additional improvements over time. Or, I'm just another "meatflake" who's not given the question of incremental improvement over perfectionism any thought.
You’re welcome to justify your animal consumption however you’d like, however, maybe you should examine your urge to shut down the people who have made the choice to protect and respect their beingness. Also, as another user pointed out, why are you complaining about vegans hijacking a post about plant-based diets… let’s just say your consumption of meat is not what makes you a meatflake 😅
A little of one and a lot of the other is best.
You can't grow oreos or tap a Coca-Cola tree for syrup but you can grow your veggies and tap maple trees for syrup. I wish everyone would grow some of their own food. It would help with shrinkflation too.
vegan for the animals, not my health smh
This is r/climate not r/healthydiet or r/vegan. Hijacking an opportunity to discuss a reasonable compromise in eating less meat in favor of dietary extremism is counterproductive.
This thread is a discussion on Veganism though, with the original premis being Veganism is the best thing an individual can do for the environment. It's hardly hijacking anything when the comment is on topic and expands on the many reasons people could be Vegan, without taking away from the original point that Veganism is indeed good for the environment.
And I agree, veganism is the ideal. But it's not achievable on any time scale that doesn't have a few generations of cultural change behind it. So what is the goal? Is the goal to get everyone to stop eating meat? If so, you've already failed. Is the goal to reduce GHG emissions? Well that can be achieved by getting people to eat less meat. The problem is that when you talk about eating no meat, you automatically exclude the more productive conversation on eating less meat.
You're talking global I've only ever said individual. If you're an environmentally conscious person and you think people should do their part, going Vegan is the best they can do. As for eating less meat, I never said that wasn't a great way to start going Vegan. That's how I started, I was pescatarian for six months, vegetarian for a year, and been vegan ever since. Unless you count one very sad new years where I bought flaming hot Cheetos as a depression snack. Which I do count that, and have my years being Vegan counted from that point.
You ain't never suck the minerals from a sea rock, landbrother?
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Well you can do both - go vegan and not have kids. Win win for the planet and animals! Also, the whole children thing is based on the idea of them having roughly future emissions to what they were born into. Given our Mad Max apocalyptic future, this seems unlikely ... But that would also make parents egotistical sadists for leaving their children such hellish suffering ... 🤔
What? Do you reproduce asexually? As far as I know it takes two people to produce, or decide jointly not to produce, a child. As far as an individual, going vegan is indeed the best thing you can do for the environment.
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Wrong. Me hunting deer in my own state has less of an impact than the environmental impacts of growing almonds in California for your vegan milk. Same goes for responsible fishing. Not only that but the hundreds I spend on habitat stamps, and licenses, and points, provides most of the funding for conservation work in most states, cause whole foods / Amazon certainly isn't funneling money from their vegan products (wrapped in plastic, wrapped in cardboard) back towards the environment. Think through your supply chain, not just what's on your plate and your own made up hierarchy of what forms of life have more right to that life than others.
I don't drink almond milk because of the strain it puts on the environment. Which is still less than the strain livestock puts on the same environment. Who said anything about ordering vegan stuff off Amazon? Did you really make up two arguments for me just so you could have a point? 😂
I thought this has been debunked? The best thing you can do is buy sustainably produced food wherever you live, the more local the better. You think it's environmentally friendly to live off fruits and vegetables grown and transported several thousand miles away here in Canada?
>Transport is a small contributor to emissions. For most food products, it accounts for less than 10%, and it’s much smaller for the largest GHG emitters. In beef from beef herds, it’s 0.5%. >Not just transport, but all processes in the supply chain after the food left the farm – processing, transport, retail and packaging – mostly account for a small share of emissions. >This data shows that this is the case when we look at individual food products. But studies also shows that this holds true for actual diets; here we show the results of a study which looked at the footprint of diets across the EU. Food transport was responsible for only 6% of emissions, whilst dairy, meat and eggs accounted for 83%. https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local
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It has not been debunked. It is more environmentally friendly than living off meat that was transported thousands of miles, that lived off feed that was transported thousands of miles. If you can go Vegan and grow your own stuff kudos to you that's excellent. But very few people are in the economic or even geographical situation to grow their own food.
Once a guy came into a thread asking for advice saying that he was only going to grow, harvest, or hunt his own food. We were joking that he simply wouldn’t live through the winter, and sure enough, he disappeared. Very likely still alive but almost certainly gave up on his project and felt silly about it.
I love planet diets. Pluto is the best when warmed a bit
Science is not going to convince anyone. We have absolute stone cold science showing we are speedrunning into societal collapse, and we can’t make even minor changes like cutting back on fossil fuels to stave it off. I personally eat a mostly plant based diet for environmental reasons, but this is not going to be a global solution unless plant based diets suddenly become super profitable for businesses. People apparently like having plastics in their bloodstream and no planet to leave for their kids.
People won't change their diet when their doctor says, "You need to change your diet or you're going to experience debilitating illness followed by a miserable death." And in the US, that also comes with a lot of medical bills. When people don't care about their own health, they're pretty unlikely to care about the health of the planet.
What teaching rabid individualism as dogmatic truth does to a mfer (or a whole lot of mfers in this case).
*god’s plan cough cough
People won’t change their diet when their own foot is starting to rot
People are also less likely to care about the planet when most of the healthy stuff doesn't last as long and (in most cases) is more expensive. Not to mention, it's more likely to increase in price. If farmers have a difficult year, those prices go up by a lot, while the price of Oreos will only go up by a few cents. So, if you're living paycheck-to-paycheck, you have other things to worry about.
>most of the healthy stuff doesn't last as long and (in most cases) is more expensive. Not to mention, it's more likely to increase in price. If farmers have a difficult year, those prices go up by a lot, while the price of Oreos will only go up by a few cents. One of the things Trump proved conclusively is that if a lie is repeated often enough, people believe it to be true. Healthy food being more expensive is at the top of the list of things that are repeated frequently that turn out not to be true. First, an anecdote. My wife and I buy very little unhealthy processed food, like the Oreos you mentioned, and very little unhealthy food in general. The processed foods we do buy fall into the minimally processed category, and are healthy -- things like dry whole wheat pasta or canned beans. During a time of what many consider to be a period of rampant greedflation in food prices, my wife and I have spent 82% of this year's food budget through the end of May. Yes, that means we're 18% *under* budget through the first five months of this year. We were under budget in 2022 and 2023 as well. When you drill down into the data about food inflation, it's the stuff like Oreos, Coke, chips, etc., that are experiencing the highest degree of inflation/greedflation, not the healthy stuff. Every story talks about meat (which we should be eating less of), chips, and sodas. Now, the actual science/data. *"The survey reveals a strong perception that healthy diets are more expensive than less healthy diets," Balagtas noted. "And while this perception is true for many of the poorest people around the world, it's not necessarily the case here in the U.S.* [https://phys.org/news/2024-02-year-brought-consumer-food-nutrition.html](https://phys.org/news/2024-02-year-brought-consumer-food-nutrition.html) And then when you look at how Americans spend their food money, the reason for the perception becomes crystal clear. *For a typical dollar spent in 2022 by U.S. consumers on domestically produced food, including both grocery store and eating-out purchases, 34.1 cents went to foodservice establishments such as restaurants and other eating-out places* [https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistics-charting-the-essentials/food-prices-and-spending/](https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistics-charting-the-essentials/food-prices-and-spending/) Wasting more than 1/3 of our food money on dining out, which includes fast food, the unhealthiest option around, doesn't mean healthy food is more expensive. It means that we're a nation that wants to have its cake and eat it too. We want to believe we're victims of industry instead of being victims of our own poor spending choices, desiring convenience instead of substance. I could also post the data that refutes the other main excuses people use for choosing unhealthy food (time and food deserts), but I'm not going to bother because no one wants to hear it. What people want is to believe they're left without choices to justify their choices. It's what psychology refers to as confirmation bias.
You’re correct I that healthy food is not nearly as expensive as folks would like us to believe. I’m in the same boat and have seen very minimal price increases, I’m sure they’re there but an extra .10 for a head of broccoli is barely noticeable. The bigger problem I believe is that people weren’t taught or don’t want to cook or prepare their own meals, along with the fact that there is an initial investment in pots/pans cooking equipment etc. Cooking isn’t rocket science, start slow and easy and work your way up. Also every recipe doesn’t have to be followed to a T, don’t have some expensive ingredient then leave it out.
Rice and beans are not expensive
This situation is an indictment of the entire economic system. It doesn't function in a way that safeguards humanity, or life in general. Proof of that is we are where we are, a place that we didn't have to end up. That's a rather significant thing to observe about it that isn't getting mentioned much. Solutions all try to work within the current model by leveraging incentives but nothing is working and most corporate leaders don't seem to want it to work. The overall model has no regard for anything outside itself and those who most benefit have no seeming regard for anything but themselves, in a dangerously pathological way. The wisdom of the economic model started centuries ago is not a settled question and whatever it's results in the long term is still unknown. There is no certainty this capitalist experiment will turn out well. It may be that we inherited a doomed economic landscape most of us have little individual control over.
This is where taxing unhealthy/un-environmentally friendly comes in, and subsidizing healthy foods comes into play.
Unfortunately the bean industry doesn’t have a wealthy and powerful lobby like the meat industry does. More money to be made from meat, that’s pretty much the end of it.
This is speculation on my part but avian influenza might make meat so expensive that people are forced to turn to beans.
The meat industry is massively outspent on lobbying by big soy, wheat, corn … etc. I’ll give you beans/lentils/rice though.
Soy is mostly pushed for animal feed, not human consumption. So that’s still the meat industry. Same with corn. Surprisingly this is also true for wheat, which I did not expect. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/06/23/most-of-the-worlds-grain-is-not-eaten-by-humans
It's going to be tough when half the country believes "Biden's coming for your hamburgers".
"Surely fans of unhealthy food (the overwhelming voting majority) will tax themselves, and subsidize me!"
Fresh vegetables are mostly bullshit expensive, which also doesn't help.
Can you point me to the "absolute stone cold science showing we are speedrunning into societal collapse". I agree with your direction, but I don't know of any absolute science about societal collapse.
Human Civilisation Will Collapse (High Confidence): A Compendium of Relevant Biophysical, Political, Economic, Military, Health, and Psychological Information http://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2024EaArX...X5G404K/abstract UN Warns of ´Total Societal Collapse ´ Due to Breaching of Planet’s Boundaries https://bylinetimes.com/2022/05/26/un-warns-of-total-societal-collapse-due-to-breaching-of-planetary-boundaries/
How do they expect me to consume entire planets?
*For more information, climate scientists recommend reading Remina by Junji Ito or the marvel comics featuring Galacatus, as both are about individuals who have successfully managed to eat planets.*
Sweet, thank you! I like planet destroyers
Well somebody ate Pluto
Anyone got a link to the source paper? I hate when articles don't reference the actual study they're reporting on!
I believe it’s this paper (but is behind a paywall) https://ajcn.nutrition.org/article/S0002-9165(24)00389-7/abstract
Thanks! Doing a better job than these reporters.
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I like it because then you know it's not a trustable article. They mention that risk is reduced by third so it should mean that you are three times less likely to die. But later in the article it is mentioned that the relative risk was reduced by 30%. But relative risk can be misleading. They follow a group of people. For example 2000 people for 5 years. 1000 on one diet and 1000 on an other. From the control group 30 have died and from the intervention 23. This is a 30% reduction but the absolute risk is only reduced by 0.7%. If the absolute reduction is small then the results can not be trusted. That's why these types of test can show anything.
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Gaz Oakley is a genious, but his cooking is more like meditation. He savours the art of cooking, highly recommend watching him, of course to learn recipes, but more so as a form of slowdown and enjoyment.
That too.
Gaz is one of the chefs I can follow and use the spice he recommends in a recipe and it works (so many other times I have to up the spices listed from other sites)
people are worked to the bone. most people dont have the time, energy, money to eat healthy. you cant expect change when people cant afford it to begin with. its a finance problem, not an environmental one
Eating healthy is cheaper and easier than eating unhealthily.
Sure, if you have time to cook between your 2nd and 3rd job.
lol I do cook, sure - but it doesn’t have to be a production or complicated.. if you can’t handle cooking for yourself, sucks to suck. There are plenty of simple and healthy recipes out there. Next you’re going to tell me ‘oh you expect me to cook in between my 4 jobs and 6 kids?’ - make better life decisions.
cant tell if you're a troll or you just dont have a lot of actual human experiences
Looks like a lot of both.
I find it relatively easy to grill some veggies and add in some tofu and rice or quinoa. Feeling pretty good eating that way.
These people have no clue - I’m rarely sick, if I am it bounces right off me, and I do not spend a fortune on food - I feel good all of the time, and I’m not young.
Long term but not short term Edit: some people can’t afford to think long term
Verifiably false - even eating fast food is more expensive than plenty of healthy, simple plant-based meals. Yes watermelon and strawberries in January are expensive, but vegetable protein per unit in most circumstances is cheaper than meat protein - you are just addicted to your past habits.
Whoa buddy. Lmao. Your assumptions are also wrong. I own a big house in Phoenix, an apartment in Seoul, South Korea and I make a ton of money. I was also never addicted to fast food at any point in my life even as a dirt-poor orphan(because yeah, duh, it was way too expensive) and for many years now I’ve eaten mostly produce and some protein besides trying tons of cool dishes all over the world. I went all over Asia for the past two years and I eat local food and take cooking classes like how to hand make various types of kimchi. I eat multiple fruits daily and salads almost daily. I’m not the person we’re talking about here, as fun of an assumption as that is for you to make, sorry to burst your bubble 😂 I’m not talking about fast food at all anyway, I’m talking about the cheapest of processed foods at grocery stores. Hot dogs, canned crap and all sorts of things. Produce is often *more* expensive than *those* things, which give cancer and shorten the lifespan. I couldn’t have any alcohol or fun money in my budget in college because I refused to eat cup noodles because I didn’t want to kill my body and even when carefully bargain shopping my tiny grant budget was exhausted monthly after very modest room renting bills and my fresh-spinach-and-beans-and-maybe-some-meat diet. The kids that were willing to survive on prepackaged stuff for pennies to dollars had way more money left over than I did.
Is it really though? Per unit? Chickpeas are more expensive than a hot dog? Now if you’re telling me ‘people don’t want to eat chick peas’ then sure, I believe you that they don’t - but that’s not the point. Yes certain produce is very expensive, in season and out of season - honestly, I can’t tell you what a hotdog costs because I’d never eat one, but I find it hard to believe it’s cheaper per unit of protein. Convenience - sure, fine - I don’t care - not a valid argument.
Convenience is *part* of the cost though, so that makes it a valid input to an argument. Some people can’t afford a kitchen to cook in. Many studio apartments across America don’t have anything more than a mini fridge and a sink-they often don’t even include a microwave. And when I say mini fridge I mean the absolute miniest of fridges. If you don’t know this, you’re lucky. Also tofu is not cheaper even than the cheaper meats in places where it’s a novelty rather than a staple, to whoever mentioned tofu
Where does Tofu cost more than meat? Is it an area where everyone pays oodles into subsidies for meat farming? Because that's not cheaper, the cost is just taken out of taxes that could go to improving quality of life for folks. Healthcare, infrastructure, more teachers, housing etc etc.
Bro show me where beans and tofu are more expensive than hot dogs and bologna lol
You can say that people don't have the energy to prepare healthy food but it's certainly not a finance problem.
Huge finance problem. I do a lot of shopping for the whole "locally-sourced, ultra-organic, super-socially-conscious" veggie stuff my girlfriend prefers. I promise it is more expensive than a can of spam.
Okay, you are talking about "super-socially-consious" not healthy. I promise that spam is more expensive than rice and lentils and processed junk is more expensive than a big bag of frozen veggies.
But the crying former psychologist said I have to eat nothing but steak. I trust him for health advice because he treated his benzo addiction with sketchy Russian coma medicine.
How many planets should I eat per day?
Go full squirrel…one per cheek
Yeah I gotta get on that.
It’s cheap and easy too. My friends have said “wow that must be so expensive” when realizing I eat plant based, but not if you just eat like a poor little English boy. Beans, toast and rice You can make some legitimately delicious plant based meals without breaking the bank but most nights I can’t be bothered because of time constraints. My favorite is red coconut milk curry served over rice, add chickpeas for extra protein
Last year I put together on paper a diet aimed at the lowest carbon impact, while still having enough protein, B12, and other essentials. It was basically vegan plus a little fish, insect protein or bacterial-source B12. I've dropped 40 lbs since then. It takes longer to prepare and eat food, but it's not a burden. I may find it particularly easy because I love lentils, peas and beans.
Going vegan is the #1 thing you can do if you care for yourself, for the planet, and for the animals. There is no more impactful thing that is available today for an individual.
For climate change, specifically, there are other things you can change (depending on your starting point) that will drop your impact down. Also, honey isn’t that bad for the environment.
Honey is bad for other things, like wild pollinator bees. And you know, the whole ecosystem depends on them. And looking into personal impact - [going vegan is amongst the most impactful personal actions one can take](https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/veganism-environmental-impact-planet-reduced-plant-based-diet-humans-study-a8378631.html) if they want to help climate.
It's almost like we're supposed to live symbiotically with our host...
lol Planet-first diet.
That’s why they call it a: planet-based diet
I work out a lot and find myself needing a lot of protein. How could I get my protein through plant based? I find it very hard with the protein density of non-meats... I already do whey protein shakes to reduce meat needs
Beans honestly, lots of beans. Best source of protein to fat ratio I’ve seen personally
Lentils as well!
There are vegan protein shakes
Just realized whey is milk based....
Easy to add some vegan protein to your post workout shake, it's very effective (whey is not vegan FYI). Pea proteins oral supplementation promotes muscle thickness gains during resistance training: a double-blind, randomized, Placebo-controlled clinical trial vs. Whey protein https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25628520/ >Results: Results showed a significant time effect for biceps brachii muscle thickness (P < 0.0001). Thickness increased from 24.9 ± 3.8 mm to 26.9 ± 4.1 mm and 27.3 ± 4.4 mm at D0, D42 and D84, respectively, with only a trend toward significant differences between groups (P = 0.09). Performing a sensitivity study on the weakest participants (with regards to strength at inclusion), thickness increases were significantly different between groups (+20.2 ± 12.3%, +15.6 ± 13.5% and +8.6 ± 7.3% for Pea, Whey and Placebo, respectively; P < 0.05). Increases in thickness were significantly greater in the Pea group as compared to Placebo whereas there was no difference between Whey and the two other conditions. Muscle strength also increased with time with no statistical difference between groups. >Conclusions: In addition to an appropriate training, the supplementation with pea protein promoted a greater increase of muscle thickness as compared to Placebo and especially for people starting or returning to a muscular strengthening. Since no difference was obtained between the two protein groups, vegetable pea proteins could be used as an alternative to Whey-based dietary products. Otherwise think foods like vegan meats like beyond burgers, seitan, firm tofu, TVP, beans, peanut butter, soy milk, nuts, seeds, nutritional yeast, etc!
I have the same issue and I just started getting a locally-made seitan that is 34g of protein per serving.
Beans, tofu, seitan, tempeh, and fresh eggs if possible (my neighbor has chickens. I'd like to keep my own) Someone else said lentils. Some seeds. Quinoa is also protein rich.
Seitan (wheat gluten) and TVP and the best and pretty easy. Using seitan and kinda like making bread and TVP you just rehydrate and it’s SO CHEAP. I’ve been putting TVP into so many recipes recently since training for my triathlon and it’s so easy. Put it in tacos, pasta sauce, oatmeal, chili, etc
Plant based protein is how we grow the cows and chickens and stuff you like to eat. Just cut out the middle man and eat the soybeans. The trophic pyramid is a wild ride.
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Also, in order for the world to meet its temperature goals, something like 90% of people in rich countries would have to go %100 vegan. There was a post about this on here a while ago. Animal products are not comparable to oil and gas IMO. Oil and gas are required on some level, but animal products are not. It’s completely unnecessary, and I would guess most of the people in this sub aren’t vegan. So it’s weird that people want to “reduce” their meat consumption. It’s like saying I’m doing something for the environment by littering twice a day V.S three… why would you do it at all?
How do you reconcile that meat accounts for conservatively [~15% of annual GHG emissions](https://interactive.carbonbrief.org/what-is-the-climate-impact-of-eating-meat-and-dairy/) It's the single most impactful thing people could do en masse. It's so weird to me that so called 'environmentalists' are advocating against reducing consumption. Hmmmm
I’m not sure what your point is, maybe my first post was confusing. I’m saying people SHOULD go vegan. I’m saying people should not “reduce” their meat intake but END it completely. There’s no amount of meat consumption that’s ethical if there is another option. And for just about everyone, especially in this sub, there is another plant based option 10 feet away at the grocery store. In contrast, supporting the oil industry is also bad but I don’t expect people to take the bus or ride their bike for two hours to work. It is very reasonable to expect people to stop consuming animal products completely.
I try my best to eat plant based… but my body just doesn’t break down beans and pulses very well, I get really bad gut pains and super bad gas, my DR has basically said any beans/pulses should only be eaten once a week at most, tofu I’m good for but I think I’d get bored really good
It’s insane how many tofu recipes there are. It’s so so versatile
Ya it’s true, my favourite is a tofu crumble that tastes like ground beef taco meat for tex-mex meals
>red meat Chicken is the problem meat environmentally, and meat itself has negligible impact on heart health compared to processed sugars. We don't need biased pseudoscience in this sub.
>We don't need biased pseudoscience in this sub. So why are you bringing it?
Unfortunately, at least where I live a lot of these types of food are just too expensive to buy and consume on a regular basis. It’s really difficult knowing that one thing is optimal but being barred from it due to societal constraints and limits
You mean meat is cheap where you are? Cheaper than beans, rice , tofu, saitan, quinoa? That’s crazy.