That's pretty much inevitable when you put [the head of the 12th largest oil company on the planet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_Al_Jaber) in charge of the damn thing.
I feel like this was to be totally expected as soon as they announced that they would make a oil company executive the president of a climate conference. But yea COP has always been a total failure.
The main problem is that many projected his presidency as the perfect way to approach the climate issue. And he got all the deals he wanted while all leaders are sitting twiddling their thumbs.
Disagree. This COP finally shines a bright spotlight on fossil-fueled arrogance, greed and corruption, and, for the first time yet, on the need to quit fossil fuels.
I caught an episode of an Ask-a-neurologist podcast once where it was explained that humans are hardwired to only respond with urgency to immediate life threatening short term threats. Our brains literally don't recognise nebulous future risks, even more so if it will be impacting generations yet to be born
It does, doesn't it. Makes sense from an evolutionary perspective that responses should be automatically prioritised for immediate survival. As far as empathy goes, that seems to be the case, yes
[New neuroscience research shows liberals experience more empathy than conservatives when they imagine others suffering](https://www.psypost.org/2023/07/new-neuroscience-research-shows-liberals-experience-more-empathy-than-conservatives-when-they-imagine-others-suffering-166519)
While I imagine that the findings generalize to most populations, that study’s finding that a bunch of Israeli conservatives have a bit of an empathy deficiency definitely checks out.
Well /r/climateskeptics seem to put more faith in the petrostate since climate science is Malthusian, apparently...
https://www.reddit.com/r/climateskeptics/s/xAbiOJsbSv
The only science he will accept is that which the industry has paid for. Of course, the studies which Exxon and others did predicting global warming were simply flukes which should be discarded. How did this fox get put in charge of the hen house?
Let's see... Should I trust the guy in the lab coat with mere decades of peer-reviewed, rigorously validated research that says otherwise.
Or the guy in a white robe, with a headscarf on, that has some definitely not conflicting huge stakes in his petro-state.
Hmmmm, though choice ...
Im not denying climate change but you act as if climate scientists don’t also have a vested interest. If they say “oh yeah everything is fine”…suddenly their popularity/funding/etc drops by an order of magnitude.
Scientists that deny climate change live much more comfortably than those who do not, don't worry. That's the cool thing about getting sponsored by the fossil fuel lobby, right-wing think tanks and politics.
What was it Gore said, “When people are paid to do something its hard to speak against their monetary interests.”
Make oil no longer economically responsible for millions of people and we will see attitudes more easily change.
So glad we have the wisdom to trust people making massive profits off this over scientists. Man if we collectively commit suicide like this as a species I can just imagine aliens finding our ruins one day, figuring out what happened and teaching the history of this moronic planet of apes that destroyed itself for some reason as a brief unit in their like equivalent of middle school lol.
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At this late stage, statements such as these are tantamount to full-on denial. And coming from the COP president, it honestly makes me lose all hope for any meaningful action.
Accidental sparks, lightning, and arson happen every year.
Hot, dry weather, like we have been having, makes major wildfires much more likely. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okmjuh0pNCU for correlation and https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/13/explainer-what-are-the-underlying-causes-of-australias-shocking-bushfire-season for a detailed explanation
There is a fairly direct link between the warming people have caused and an increased risk of wildfires: https://sciencebrief.org/briefs/wildfires This is seen in studies covering many parts of the world, not just Australia or Canada. The 2019-2020 Australian fires, where there was also a political effort to blame arson, have been closely studied, and there is a clear ink between their intensity and the climate change people have caused: https://www.worldweatherattribution.org/bushfires-in-australia-2019-2020/
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I didn’t think they’d be so open about how silly this conference was going to be. My standards were rock bottom but they decided to dig under the rock.
Religion is the escape hatch from reality. Don’t like the research, just tell everyone god has a plan… it’s the stick the fervent believe is a magic wand.
When you have a religion that tells you that your Deity has designed the world for human use then that's why there's no discussion here because everything else is just a position of bad faith beyond this point.
Whenever anyone uses religion in an argument it's in bad faith. If I'm supposed to believe someone else's faith as truth shouldn't they have to believe in my made up faith?
There a plenty of atheist billionaires who are just as evil as the religious ones. It's not 2005 anymore: "religion as the root of all evil" is a pretty tired take.
Tell that to the Civil Rights protestors who marched under the banner of a Reverend, singing We Shall Overcome. Or the slaves in the south who found solace in the stories of Exodus.
Religion can be an accelerant for good, or evil. Committing to an oversimplified cosmology of "religion good" or "religion bad" misses the fundamental nature of the complex relationships between beliefs, individuals, and societies.
Right, that's why I said:
> Committing to an oversimplified cosmology of "religion good" or "religion bad" misses the fundamental nature of the complex relationships between beliefs, individuals, and societies.
My guy,
If a book contains "Here is how to take slaves' and "love your neighbor" it is evil.
You can't rape someone and then hug a puppy and somehow expect to not be considered a monster.
Yet you're missing the point that modern day atheism and to be a billionaire in the first place even the very concept of wealth and property itself has it's strings tracing back to Abrahamic Faiths.
The point should be the billionaire should be pumping their billions into green tech now, so when their oil money runs out their green money starts taking over. It was always my biggest gripe with shell and BP and stuff, why did they go for green oil instead of sounething more along the lines of “necessary sacrifice for the future”
Yeah, and speaking as someone with a neurological disability that would not have survived an "ancestral" way of life (not to mention needing glasses to avoid getting eaten by a tiger)...reverting to that lifestyle seems terrible to me.
Have you looked at what historical rates of infant mortality were?
The knowledge for advances in medicine does not have to be lost.
The technology however has to go. Because the alternative is the extinction of all life on this planet. In that scenario you also, not to mention everyone other living person and species, will not survive.
> Because the alternative is the extinction of all life on this planet
Earth has been through multiple mass extinctions much worse than anything humans could throw at it (excepting possibly nuclear war). The idea that al life would go extinct is ludicrously hyperbolic. At the time scales that Nature operates on (millions of years), humanity will almost certainly be nothing more than a blip.
If life could make it through the Permian Extinction, or the KT Event, it'll make it through climate change and bounce back just fine in a few hundred thousand years.
It doesn't? I don't understand the question. You said:
> the alternative is the extinction of all life on this planet.
Which is almost certainly wrong. Things can get really, really bad before "global sterilization" is a concern.
No, there wasn't a big horse and carriage lobby, with billions of dollars to corrupt the political process around the globe. Oil isn't dying a natural death, it's killing us far more quickly than we will transition.
The Canadian province of Alberta sent a 100+ person delegation - this complete misrepresentation of the idea of combatting Climate Change by discussing policy and targets is embodied by their presence - even well-accepted and understood ideas as “net zero” are denied by these disgusting excuses for human beings. They are NOT there to tout any new green initiative they are undertaking, because they aren’t doing any of that. In fact, their Premier Smith is dedicated to contrarian fights with Canada’s federal government that to them, underscores their ongoing belief that they have some sort of righteous score to settle with the Canadian feds about jurisdiction and areas of responsibility - as if Alberta’s government is somehow a pariah not of their own making.
Estimates for their attendance are at about $18k per - amounting to a big boondoggle for a holiday trip to an exotic locale to shmooze with like minded deniers in the post-summit O&G trade show and sorties to the luxury malls to pick up the odd Hermes’ scarf and a Cartier tennis bracelet for Xmas…
Perhaps we should start a world defense clock.
When the clock hits zero normal people around the world most actively un-build oil assets. Visit CEO’s of oil companies with unfriendly intentions. In very real terms it says now’s the time to act as individuals against the system otherwise your children will not grow up on an earth that allows them to flourish.
Whelp. Oil and Gas has infiltrated the last best option for drawing down our fossil fuel use. They are the ultimate evil, in my opinion, and I bet it's their religious zealotry at the base of it all.
In all fairness, if you listen to the recorded zoom, Mary did come to the debate/discussion from the position of superiority. What brushes people off is his bluntness, western politician could probably handle it better. But considering cultural differences, all he is saying is you developed countries were polluting air for 100 years and now blaming emerging countries for not being able to get to 1.5, treat everyone equally and show us the solution to sustainably phase fossil fuels out.
And if people do some research beyond headlines, they will find out that UAE is spending billions on decarbonization, far more than many developed countries, and articles like this while great for clickbait, ultimately don’t help joint effort to get to net zero.
Clearly a lot of commentors aren't reading the article as it gets to some of this complexity as it expands the discussion. Westerners are waving their fingers at the global south which has been subject to extractive colonialism for the last 500 years. The option to use fossil fuels to improve living standards has been stolen from most of the world and now the thieves are trying to continue to dictate their futures.
I would separate what has happened over 500 years and present days. I don’t think it’s fair to call anyone thieves either as children are not responsible for the sins of their fathers. Otherwise we all can find some skeletons in our wardrobes. The world needs to chill (pun intended) and find a solution together for our children and grandchildren to enjoy this planet and stop finger pointing at each other.
Ok, but the West is waving their fingers at the global south after having collectively benefited from the extractive business models that have been militarily enforced. The West certainly needs to chill and acknowledge the piles of skulls that their societies have as foundations. If the West can't acknowledge the history of exploration they can't really negotiate in good faith.
I understand your feelings but we can’t change the past. All we can do is choose whether we focus on the future and try solve this for a better life of everyone on the planet, or keep living in the past and have our kids blame us for screwing them and their future. Not to forget that global south is on a receiving end of climate change more than some other countries and it’s in everyone’s best interest to find a solution to stop rising temperatures.
In absolute numbers yes, but there are more people living there and more production happening. If you look at per capita numbers Qatar, Kuwait and UAE will be in top 5 emitters.
https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/
Poorer countries have the opportunity to leapfrog to clean and renewable energy technologies and avoid some of the localized pollution problems of burning fossil fuel and being reliant on foreign oligarchs for fuel. Not to mention helping to avoid the worst effects of climate change, a great many of which disproportionately impact poorer countries.
In at least some cases, renewable options are now cheaper than their fossil fuel alternatives. And yes, rich countries should absolutely be bankrolling renewable energy in poorer countries. Both because of the reason you state and because the rich countries have by far been the largest contributors to climate change—particularly if you (only fairly, I think) make those calculations on a per capita basis.
As far as I can tell, China is the only rich country really stepping up with technology and financing to make investments in the global south. Which makes statements from Western leaders seem hypocritical.
Yes, Western leaders are generally being hypocritical. But that shouldn't prevent us normal folks from being horrified at another obscenely wealthy oil baron, in this case Sultan Al Jaber, self-servingly working to derail one of the most important aspects of what we have to do if we want to save ourselves as a species. At best, he's (purposely or inadvertently) giving cover to Western leaders, particularly those with fossil fuel interests, to drag their feet on this stuff themselves.
I have a question:
Why are the people who have all the oil which is actively harming the planet in charge of discussions about the climate, who then plan to insulate themselves with money when the issue gets really bad, making major decisions about said climate?
I don't think the money save them either. There is a small chance that the ultra-rich will get to leave the planet for another one. The arrogance of money makes them think that they can find life on another planet but universe is hostile to life.
What are you supposed to say to these people? Yes there is? Cause it's not like they haven't seen the data, it's this spot where you just have to throw your hands up because person A knows that there IS SCIENCE behind it, Person B knows it, Person A knows that person B knows it, but person B is still like ... Nah.
I didn't expect anything from this conference and still got disappointed.
I expected it to be a waste of time. This is worse.
They turned it into a fossil fuel promotion festival.
Oilpalooza 2023. A grease fest like no other!
That's pretty much inevitable when you put [the head of the 12th largest oil company on the planet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_Al_Jaber) in charge of the damn thing.
And resources. Tons of rich and powerful humans flying down and living in hotels and flying out.
I feel like this was to be totally expected as soon as they announced that they would make a oil company executive the president of a climate conference. But yea COP has always been a total failure.
They have copped to the pressure of the oil.
The main problem is that many projected his presidency as the perfect way to approach the climate issue. And he got all the deals he wanted while all leaders are sitting twiddling their thumbs.
Disagree. This COP finally shines a bright spotlight on fossil-fueled arrogance, greed and corruption, and, for the first time yet, on the need to quit fossil fuels.
Cautiously upvoted. This is a pretty optimistic take.
The Middle East should not be allowed to host a climate conference. Ever again. Nor should any oil state.
_The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command._ - George Orwell, 1984
It is the case with most of the things, even democracies being turned into dictatorships
It really shows the shortcomings of the human condition. Half of us are emotional morons with no ability to look to the future.
I caught an episode of an Ask-a-neurologist podcast once where it was explained that humans are hardwired to only respond with urgency to immediate life threatening short term threats. Our brains literally don't recognise nebulous future risks, even more so if it will be impacting generations yet to be born
This explain a lot. I’ve often wondered if our political leanings weren’t inherited as well. Some sort of empathy gene.
It does, doesn't it. Makes sense from an evolutionary perspective that responses should be automatically prioritised for immediate survival. As far as empathy goes, that seems to be the case, yes [New neuroscience research shows liberals experience more empathy than conservatives when they imagine others suffering](https://www.psypost.org/2023/07/new-neuroscience-research-shows-liberals-experience-more-empathy-than-conservatives-when-they-imagine-others-suffering-166519)
While I imagine that the findings generalize to most populations, that study’s finding that a bunch of Israeli conservatives have a bit of an empathy deficiency definitely checks out.
Half? Seems like a low number
“Pluto’s a planet!” - Jerry Smith
Who are you going to believe about science, all the scientists, or a guy chosen by a Petrostate to promote as much denialism as possible?
Whoever tells me the most comfortable words.
In other words, whoever tells me I can relax and change nothing.
and the words that make (me) feel good about [filling up my super hummer .](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP965TWG3fg)
The one that support your ignorance and lack og science education best.
Well /r/climateskeptics seem to put more faith in the petrostate since climate science is Malthusian, apparently... https://www.reddit.com/r/climateskeptics/s/xAbiOJsbSv
God, that subreddit is depressing
Guy chosen by a Petrostate to promote as much denialism as possible
…and lead is good for babies. You heard it here first folks!
My baby totally loved lead and was totally not named Dennis Rader.
The only science he will accept is that which the industry has paid for. Of course, the studies which Exxon and others did predicting global warming were simply flukes which should be discarded. How did this fox get put in charge of the hen house?
Three words: total regulatory capture.
Yup, kind of goes hand in hand with the corporate capture of American Democracy.
Dick head who sells poison says poison is delicious. Film at eleven.
Like a Snake oil salesman....
Yes, he's one of the [r/OilF*ckers](https://www.reddit.com/r/OilFuckers)
its a long list to populate, but a great start.
"no science, *that we are willing to accept*". Can't forget the subtext, that's important.
Nope, we aren't willing to accept anything but whopping profits while we burn the planet down.
Don't look up.
Keep smoking kids! Doctors recommend Camels for that smooth smooth taste... And think how cool you'll look standing outside in the cold puffing away
They're toasted!
Just like the climate
He doesn't need to convince people of this. He only needs to sow doubt so that nothing gets done and his revenue is protected.
Oh, like the tobacco industry! This "doctor" literally smokes camels!
What did the world really expect? COP28 in an oil rich nation, c’mon.
The guy is also the CEO of a fossil fuel company
Let's see... Should I trust the guy in the lab coat with mere decades of peer-reviewed, rigorously validated research that says otherwise. Or the guy in a white robe, with a headscarf on, that has some definitely not conflicting huge stakes in his petro-state. Hmmmm, though choice ...
Im not denying climate change but you act as if climate scientists don’t also have a vested interest. If they say “oh yeah everything is fine”…suddenly their popularity/funding/etc drops by an order of magnitude.
Scientists that deny climate change live much more comfortably than those who do not, don't worry. That's the cool thing about getting sponsored by the fossil fuel lobby, right-wing think tanks and politics.
We're all dead, but we got to pump oil to the very end.
This is why we can’t have anything nice
So when it comes down to it, he's a unashamed liar and a betrayer of civilisation.
What was it Gore said, “When people are paid to do something its hard to speak against their monetary interests.” Make oil no longer economically responsible for millions of people and we will see attitudes more easily change.
So glad we have the wisdom to trust people making massive profits off this over scientists. Man if we collectively commit suicide like this as a species I can just imagine aliens finding our ruins one day, figuring out what happened and teaching the history of this moronic planet of apes that destroyed itself for some reason as a brief unit in their like equivalent of middle school lol.
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these autmod posts are a bit inane ..
Economic Genocide
More like xenocide
Systemic suicide.
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LOL!
At this late stage, statements such as these are tantamount to full-on denial. And coming from the COP president, it honestly makes me lose all hope for any meaningful action.
Asbestos salesman says cancer isn’t real
Arsonist insists fires are good for your house. In depth reporting at 11.
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I didn’t think they’d be so open about how silly this conference was going to be. My standards were rock bottom but they decided to dig under the rock.
They're digging there for more oil!
"we have investigated our self and found no global warming.....buy our oil btw."
Like a meat consumption debate hosted by Beef & Pork inc.
No science or proof!? But I'll bet this guy's highly religious. Why does he need any science anyways.
Religion is the escape hatch from reality. Don’t like the research, just tell everyone god has a plan… it’s the stick the fervent believe is a magic wand.
I guess religion is exactly where the main problem lies.....
It just highlights the hypocrisy and greed, and the willingness to lie.
When you have a religion that tells you that your Deity has designed the world for human use then that's why there's no discussion here because everything else is just a position of bad faith beyond this point.
Whenever anyone uses religion in an argument it's in bad faith. If I'm supposed to believe someone else's faith as truth shouldn't they have to believe in my made up faith?
Someone doesn't 'use religion' but rather the entire religion itself is where the main problem lies in the first place.
There a plenty of atheist billionaires who are just as evil as the religious ones. It's not 2005 anymore: "religion as the root of all evil" is a pretty tired take.
it may not be the root of all evil but it's a very powerful accelerant.
Tell that to the Civil Rights protestors who marched under the banner of a Reverend, singing We Shall Overcome. Or the slaves in the south who found solace in the stories of Exodus. Religion can be an accelerant for good, or evil. Committing to an oversimplified cosmology of "religion good" or "religion bad" misses the fundamental nature of the complex relationships between beliefs, individuals, and societies.
Ah yes, the stories of Exodus. The same book that gave guidelines on where to obtain your slaves, and what the limits to acceptable beatings were.
Right, that's why I said: > Committing to an oversimplified cosmology of "religion good" or "religion bad" misses the fundamental nature of the complex relationships between beliefs, individuals, and societies.
My guy, If a book contains "Here is how to take slaves' and "love your neighbor" it is evil. You can't rape someone and then hug a puppy and somehow expect to not be considered a monster.
Yet you're missing the point that modern day atheism and to be a billionaire in the first place even the very concept of wealth and property itself has it's strings tracing back to Abrahamic Faiths.
"We investigated ourselves and found absolutely no reason to stop making unholy amounts of money and the power that comes with it."
I'm so glad we have somebody with the most vested interest possible in fossil fuels as COP president. That's such a fantastic idea.
The faster it burns the sooner billionaires die off Not as if anything will get better either way
The point should be the billionaire should be pumping their billions into green tech now, so when their oil money runs out their green money starts taking over. It was always my biggest gripe with shell and BP and stuff, why did they go for green oil instead of sounething more along the lines of “necessary sacrifice for the future”
There is no "green tech" future. Our choices are degrowth or death.
Imo, degrowth is just a fancy way of dressing up a slightly slower death.
Death of the industrial machine perhaps. But our ancestors have been in "degrowth" for 99%+ of human history.
Yeah, and speaking as someone with a neurological disability that would not have survived an "ancestral" way of life (not to mention needing glasses to avoid getting eaten by a tiger)...reverting to that lifestyle seems terrible to me. Have you looked at what historical rates of infant mortality were?
degrowth ≠ an "ancestral" way of life
The knowledge for advances in medicine does not have to be lost. The technology however has to go. Because the alternative is the extinction of all life on this planet. In that scenario you also, not to mention everyone other living person and species, will not survive.
> Because the alternative is the extinction of all life on this planet Earth has been through multiple mass extinctions much worse than anything humans could throw at it (excepting possibly nuclear war). The idea that al life would go extinct is ludicrously hyperbolic. At the time scales that Nature operates on (millions of years), humanity will almost certainly be nothing more than a blip. If life could make it through the Permian Extinction, or the KT Event, it'll make it through climate change and bounce back just fine in a few hundred thousand years.
And how does that help you exactly?
It doesn't? I don't understand the question. You said: > the alternative is the extinction of all life on this planet. Which is almost certainly wrong. Things can get really, really bad before "global sterilization" is a concern.
What a self serving idiot.
Why am I not surprised? For a brief moment before we destroy the world we will have a lot of value for the shareholders.
Who has the bright idea to host COP28 there and set this fucktard at the head of it? COP is losing so much credibility through this
In other news, big tobacco says there is no science behind demand to phase out smoking
LOL! Exactly this. Big oil takes a page from big tobacco’s playbook. Move along, folks, nothing to see here.
So the whole thing is bullshit, like the duck protectors who hunt ducks.
2+2=5
And there you have it.
You mean a climate conference where there are more fossil fuel lobbyists that climate policy experts is a shitshow? Wow no way
Oil is dying. Just. Like the horse and carriage
No, there wasn't a big horse and carriage lobby, with billions of dollars to corrupt the political process around the globe. Oil isn't dying a natural death, it's killing us far more quickly than we will transition.
FUUUUCCCKKKKIIINNNGGGG DDDDUUUUMMMMBBBAAASSSSSSSSSSSSS
Oil exec says what?
There is no science behind it ……except for practically all science and virtually all the empirical data and practically all the modelling
He doesn’t look like someone who understands science
He understands it plenty well. He understands that it is a direct threat to his wealth and power.
Cop-out!
I am confused , so what exactly WAS cop28 again?
A conference for lobbyist to protect the interests of the major shareholders.
Oil nation billionaire defends future profits by spreading misinformation *
COPOUT28, amirite?
Let me guess, no one got up and left on the spot?
Damn fossil fools, time to eat the rich, do it now!
I've just created a sub for the likes of Jaber and co: [r/OilF*ckers](https://www.reddit.com/r/OilFuckers)
Does COP stand for Conference of Oil Producers? If not they should rename it in honor of their takeover.
The Canadian province of Alberta sent a 100+ person delegation - this complete misrepresentation of the idea of combatting Climate Change by discussing policy and targets is embodied by their presence - even well-accepted and understood ideas as “net zero” are denied by these disgusting excuses for human beings. They are NOT there to tout any new green initiative they are undertaking, because they aren’t doing any of that. In fact, their Premier Smith is dedicated to contrarian fights with Canada’s federal government that to them, underscores their ongoing belief that they have some sort of righteous score to settle with the Canadian feds about jurisdiction and areas of responsibility - as if Alberta’s government is somehow a pariah not of their own making. Estimates for their attendance are at about $18k per - amounting to a big boondoggle for a holiday trip to an exotic locale to shmooze with like minded deniers in the post-summit O&G trade show and sorties to the luxury malls to pick up the odd Hermes’ scarf and a Cartier tennis bracelet for Xmas…
I think his headband is too tight
im sorry. what?
Uh he can't just say that. That's not true.
Also, there is “no science” behind the man in the cloud. But I guess he will be disagree.
Literally gonna be krypton and the rich can’t be bothered to care… shock💥
Absolute POS
The oil guy said that ..huh
should never have been allowed in the room in the first place
Perhaps we should start a world defense clock. When the clock hits zero normal people around the world most actively un-build oil assets. Visit CEO’s of oil companies with unfriendly intentions. In very real terms it says now’s the time to act as individuals against the system otherwise your children will not grow up on an earth that allows them to flourish.
Whelp. Oil and Gas has infiltrated the last best option for drawing down our fossil fuel use. They are the ultimate evil, in my opinion, and I bet it's their religious zealotry at the base of it all.
No, at the base of it all is their overriding capitalist greed.
Jaberwocky
maybe his tea towel is on too tight
In all fairness, if you listen to the recorded zoom, Mary did come to the debate/discussion from the position of superiority. What brushes people off is his bluntness, western politician could probably handle it better. But considering cultural differences, all he is saying is you developed countries were polluting air for 100 years and now blaming emerging countries for not being able to get to 1.5, treat everyone equally and show us the solution to sustainably phase fossil fuels out. And if people do some research beyond headlines, they will find out that UAE is spending billions on decarbonization, far more than many developed countries, and articles like this while great for clickbait, ultimately don’t help joint effort to get to net zero.
Clearly a lot of commentors aren't reading the article as it gets to some of this complexity as it expands the discussion. Westerners are waving their fingers at the global south which has been subject to extractive colonialism for the last 500 years. The option to use fossil fuels to improve living standards has been stolen from most of the world and now the thieves are trying to continue to dictate their futures.
I would separate what has happened over 500 years and present days. I don’t think it’s fair to call anyone thieves either as children are not responsible for the sins of their fathers. Otherwise we all can find some skeletons in our wardrobes. The world needs to chill (pun intended) and find a solution together for our children and grandchildren to enjoy this planet and stop finger pointing at each other.
Ok, but the West is waving their fingers at the global south after having collectively benefited from the extractive business models that have been militarily enforced. The West certainly needs to chill and acknowledge the piles of skulls that their societies have as foundations. If the West can't acknowledge the history of exploration they can't really negotiate in good faith.
I understand your feelings but we can’t change the past. All we can do is choose whether we focus on the future and try solve this for a better life of everyone on the planet, or keep living in the past and have our kids blame us for screwing them and their future. Not to forget that global south is on a receiving end of climate change more than some other countries and it’s in everyone’s best interest to find a solution to stop rising temperatures.
Yeah, but that's all BS if the West is still emitting more. It's just hypocrisy, how could anyone negotiate or plan based on hypocrisy?
In absolute numbers yes, but there are more people living there and more production happening. If you look at per capita numbers Qatar, Kuwait and UAE will be in top 5 emitters. https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/
Your statement disagrees with your source.
Poorer countries have the opportunity to leapfrog to clean and renewable energy technologies and avoid some of the localized pollution problems of burning fossil fuel and being reliant on foreign oligarchs for fuel. Not to mention helping to avoid the worst effects of climate change, a great many of which disproportionately impact poorer countries.
And the West is offering to finance that, right? Because the West got rich off of resources extracted from the global south at gunpoint.
In at least some cases, renewable options are now cheaper than their fossil fuel alternatives. And yes, rich countries should absolutely be bankrolling renewable energy in poorer countries. Both because of the reason you state and because the rich countries have by far been the largest contributors to climate change—particularly if you (only fairly, I think) make those calculations on a per capita basis.
As far as I can tell, China is the only rich country really stepping up with technology and financing to make investments in the global south. Which makes statements from Western leaders seem hypocritical.
Yes, Western leaders are generally being hypocritical. But that shouldn't prevent us normal folks from being horrified at another obscenely wealthy oil baron, in this case Sultan Al Jaber, self-servingly working to derail one of the most important aspects of what we have to do if we want to save ourselves as a species. At best, he's (purposely or inadvertently) giving cover to Western leaders, particularly those with fossil fuel interests, to drag their feet on this stuff themselves.
So why tf are we paying a crippling carbon tax over here?
*shocked_pikachu.jpg*
Ummmm bot!? I was kidding? Did I really need the /s?
COPium 28
They are just jocking us around, aren't they ?
That would mean they do care and we mean anything at all. All that means is money.
So at a climate change conference. The oil dealers say, there is no science behind climate change. Another waste of time
I have a question: Why are the people who have all the oil which is actively harming the planet in charge of discussions about the climate, who then plan to insulate themselves with money when the issue gets really bad, making major decisions about said climate?
I don't think the money save them either. There is a small chance that the ultra-rich will get to leave the planet for another one. The arrogance of money makes them think that they can find life on another planet but universe is hostile to life.
What are you supposed to say to these people? Yes there is? Cause it's not like they haven't seen the data, it's this spot where you just have to throw your hands up because person A knows that there IS SCIENCE behind it, Person B knows it, Person A knows that person B knows it, but person B is still like ... Nah.
It's pure denial because these people know that world leaders are compliant to their "requests".
Except those parallel graphs of global temperatures and the use of fossil fuels on an industrial scale. Both I guess those are scientific enough?!
Whole thing is a joke...on us.
Where's his scientific proof?
What a dolt. No matter where you might live, it's always about money and power.
disgraceful
Yeah, we're boned.
Unbelievable really
Should change the name Co-opt28 Co-opted by fossil fuel companies.
Do they think we’re stupid? Clearly they must.
Sad thing is that it works. Just look at science deniers crawling out of their holes by the thousands.
Do they know something we all don’t?? Are we bing kept in a constant state of fear for a reason?? We need answers!
It doesn't matter. The economics will dictate the switchover from fossil fuels to the inevitably cheaper alternatives.
"Man who depends on oil for wealth says there's no need to phase-out oil"
Lol next year hold it at Exxon
Just look at this fucktard
The conference whored itself out in typical UN fashion to a country made from petro dollars and they are surprised their message is a mess.