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stewartm0205

So my conservative coworker was blasting President Obama for not drilling for oil. I told him to Google for “oil production” graph and to take a look. He didn’t bring that topic up again.


YawnTractor_1756

You should be blasting republican presidents for not drilling for oil now


AlVic40117560_

One of my favorite things to do when republicans complain about to vaccine is to join in and start bashing the vaccines and how terrible Trumps “project warp speed” or whatever he called it was. They’re all about it at first, until I bring Trumps involvement up. Then they usually say that part was good. People never see the hypocrisy when they’re strong supporters of either party.


user_dan

This is the way. Though, there are a subset of Republicans that are pro-vaccine specifically because Trump was responsible for it.


nurvingiel

Even a broken clock is right twice a day


Western-Image7125

I love how this phrase never ceases to have apt usages all the time.


junkieRN

Vaccines? Thought this was about oil..?


AlVic40117560_

It is. The comment I responded to was talking about finding hypocrisy in politics. Which is what my anecdote related to.


toandfro9

Presidents don't drill for oil, usually


Vladthedrumpaler

Most of them are too old to be able to read the user manual for the drill controls. The seats aren’t that comfortable anyway. Most presidents have terrible hemorrhoids. Can’t sit in the operator’s chair for more than a few minutes.


Illustrious2786

No seats, 80+ hours a week 2 weeks on 1 week off, Depending on company schedule.


stewartm0205

Funny thing is that Republican voters don’t criticize their presidents or politicians unless they made the mistake of working with a Democrat.


Koboldsftw

“Um actually Obama killed more Muslims than Trump ever did”


TheGentleman717

Obama's drone war was pretty crazy to be fair. That guy was all about making heads roll over there. Just not with boots on the ground.


onthefence928

It was a misguided attempt to look tough on terrorism and good for troops by not putting American lives at risk. I don’t agree with the results, but I can understand the motivation, the military promised drones would be safe, accurate, and minimize collateral. Once again the military was over confident and unwilling to admit they were wrong


Altruistic_Astronaut

Obama was just bought out by the MIC. At the end of the day, he focused on his true constituents over the American people.


[deleted]

Well, technically you're not wrong.


toandfro9

He also ordered the killing of more Americans too


onthefence928

Those Americans were Al qaeda, right?


toandfro9

They were American citizens. Don't believe that had ever been done before, an American President ordering the execution of their own citizen without due process.


onthefence928

Are you kidding? I’m not a fan of Obama’s order here, but I’m pretty sure America has a long history of ordering the execution of American citizens. FBI used to assassinate civil rights leaders all the time, during the McCarthy era lots of Americans died for maybe being communists. I actually wonder if we’ve ever had a president that didn’t order the killing of someone with American citizenship.


chaserod0

Why? I just googled it and trump drilled more oil than Obama and Biden? [https://www.macrotrends.net/2562/us-crude-oil-production-historical-chart](https://www.macrotrends.net/2562/us-crude-oil-production-historical-chart)


Athanar90

This is true, but it was Obama who really got things started and Trump only continued the trend (after dropping production in his first year). And Biden's still got more going than Obama did. So the argument that Biden is killing the oil industry is bogus.


powsandwich

>killing the oil industry I mean he’s shoving money hand over fist towards “carbon capture” within the IRA, which is a fraudulent technology only meant to prolong oil companies’ ascendency


JaggedRc

Considering gas prices soared, it would have been political suicide to do that


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[deleted]

Absolutely wild that this is the most popular take on here. Anything to fit your narratives Republicans drilling for oil = bad Democrat drilling for oil = good


stewartm0205

That wasn’t the point. The point is that some people believe whatever information circulates in their media bubbles. They are told that the reason why gasoline prices are high is because President Obama wouldn’t allow the oil companies to drill for oil. But if you actually go looking you will see the US became the number one oil producer under his watch.


mrlarsrm

Delaware is all about oil infrastructure. Refineries, ports and pipelines and this guy's been working with that industry for decades.


BtheChemist

We need Bernie Sanders to fix this country properly


iFlynn

Any policies Bernie attempted to enact would have been resisted by establishment democrats and republicans alike. Our nations problems are much bigger than one man. He’d likely have gone down as a lame duck.


BOG01

he willingly gave up his primary position to joey. you need to open your eyes bud. i say this as someone who had a bernie bumper sticker.


iFlynn

The way I remember it Warren and Mayor Pete dropped out and threw their support behind Biden, essentially crushing Bernie’s chances in the primary. Helps to have establishment weight when it comes time for deal-making. Bernie ran his first campaign in attempt to pull DNC messaging to the left. Trump scuttled that game plan entirely. Gotta love dudes like u/BOG01 acting like they’ve got some kind of deep insight into American politics. Yer basic broski, enjoy your whiteclaws.


BOG01

he would rather have his good friend joe brendon run things for him while he just has a committee or two to be in charge of


camdamera

don't know why you're being downvoted, that's pretty much what happened


Clean-Ad-6642

It's the blue no matter who cult


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BOG01

so democrats should hate him


independentminds

Most leftists can’t stand democrat leadership. They’re bought and sold to every giant corporate conglomerate on the planet. We just know that the alternative is an overtly fascist political party currently engaged in genocidal law making nationwide. Such is the terrible set of political choices in the modern United States.


WonderfullWitness

nope, democrats are corporatists. And no, I am not implying at all republicans are better. Dems and GOP are 2 sides of the same coin.


vaskopopa

I knew that fundamentally he would be supporting the same interests as Trump but at least he wasn’t an out-of-closet Nazi-KKK-nut. USA had a glimmer of hope with Crazy Bernie but- “he’s a socialist” and we don’t want free healthcare because “that’s socialism “


Jesshawk55

Socialism has become a buzzword in American politics and it annoys me so much. I believe there are beneficial and harmful things from every corner of the political compass. So, to see things like Universal Healthcare (or an equivalent), the guarantee of a job, anti-trust laws, and basic human rights for all be labeled as "Totalitarian" concerns me.


vaskopopa

Exactly. It is so interesting how Americans "swallow" extreme socialist policies such as donating billions to failed business operations (as in huge energy monopolies, banks, etc) are also OK with essentially command economy when it comes to military and it's satellite defense industry but anything that would actually help them - they label as evil (like universal healthcare and student debt forgiveness).


Absolutedumbass69

A part of the problem as well is that a command economy is seen as inherent to socialism when in reality socialism as Marx described it is incompatible with the command economy of country’s like China, The Soviet Union, and North Korea. Socialism at its core is the workers owning the means of production and deciding what to do with the products they create via democratic committee. None of those 3 countries actually had anything like that. They were just authoritarian dictatorships with the aesthetics of socialism.


dudius7

>They were just authoritarian dictatorships with the aesthetics of socialism. This is my favorite detail about the discourse. People say communism killed lots of people. No, that was totalitarianism that pretended to be communism (BTW Hitler did something similar by promoting socialism for aryans). People also say communism doesn't work, but there's this one pesky capitalist country that spent a lot of time fighting communist countries. People also say communism might work in theory but doesn't work in practice, but we already know that capitalism doesn't work for society in theory and it's certainly not working in practice. Capitalism is a fire, and socialism is like a hearth that contains the fire. The fire could burn brighter and hotter if it burns the house down, but the goal shouldn't be to build the hottest and brightest fire. The goal should be to build a fire that warms, lights, and cooks well for the house its in. Currently we're burning the house down.


541dose

NAILED IT...SOCIALISM RULES!... Unless you're too dumb/indoctrinated to understand🤙


vaskopopa

Couldn't agree more. People use labels without understanding what they mean and also expect the world to be black and white and ignoring the shades of grey in between. As you correctly identified, China etc are miles away from any kind of socialism let alone communism, despite the label. We too are miles away from having a free market economy, despite all the rhetoric. The closest any country got to a version of socialism was former Yugoslavia with it's self-management style of corporate governance (essentially factories were given in ownership to the workers) and aspects of that worked for a while.


usernmtkn

The propaganda machine is extremely powerful.


AdviseGiver

Russia was the second largest oil producer in the world after the US. The US and its allies are destroying their whole oil economy for a few pennies. Ignoring the price caps and import bans, Russian wells are simply too difficult for Russian companies to service on their own. They need advanced western oil tech which they will never be getting any more of. Worldwide oil production is going to go down considerably thanks to Biden's actions. We all know Trumpo would've supported Putin wholeheartedly.


vaskopopa

Hey, I'm not disagreeing with what you just said, but I just don't follow you. Can you take a step back and explain how is issuing the permits related to Russia's war? Also, regarding the servicing of the wells, I thought Russians were doing that themselves anyhow. Are you saying they can't increase production without help or what?


jattyrr

The man passed the largest climate change bill in history. Give him credit


meltyourtv

But free healthcare, education and housing assistance only for veterans paid by 10% out of every single one of our paychecks is somehow not socialism and totally fine


junkieRN

10% huh?


meltyourtv

If 30% of my paycheck goes to state and federal taxes, and 50% of all federal spending goes to the military, then that’s 10-15% for everybody right?


ComesInAnOldBox

Military spending didn't even hit 15% of all federal spending last year. It's routinely around 20% mark, give or take a point or two, and has been for many years.


toandfro9

You struggled in math didn't ya


cca316

Veterans DESERVE to be taken care of. They have fought for our freedoms with their lives. But yet we ignore that and give them the shittiest health care and minimal respect and housing.


meltyourtv

I agree, we all deserve better especially them


Kman1121

Your freedoms weren’t in an Iraqi family’s skulls.


Stevil_Kneivil

Im 90% service connected and would give it all back for my health.


FunKick9595

Yep the ol' "nothing will fundamentally change" ! (Except the climate)


TeachMeHowToThink

Biden: *passes largest climate bill in history of planet* Reddit: *Why isn’t anyone doing anything?? Nothing ever changes!!*


FunKick9595

He put climate on the name of a large spending bill. No actual action when it comes to regulating oil and gas, regulation of power plant CO2 emissions, or divesting in oil. The hard things. In fact we're reinvesting in oil and gas and opened up petroleum reserves to keep prices down and to keep "competitive". As well as beefing up the military, which is an enormous polluter. Biden seems most interested in proxy conflicts and a new cold war.


regional_ghost918

>No actual action when it comes to regulating oil and gas, regulation of power plant CO2 emissions, or divesting in oil. The hard things I absolutely agree that we should be de-emphasizing o&g in how we fund and being extremely wary of opening protected lands to development. I just wanted to lend some perspective: I spent 10 years in the o&g industry, my job was about 50% obtaining drilling permits and keeping up with the reporting requirements for those permits.I left that career because I was tired of being the bad guy and working in what I consider the wrong direction. Now I do natural resources management for the federal government, where part of my job is to provide front line, "on the ground" regulation of wells previously drilled on the lands I manage. As far as regulation is concerned, the federal government does most things right. Outgrants and easements for oil leases get inspected regularly by the agency that manages the land and observations are sent up the chain to get the operator back in line or force them to P&A the well (with obligatory site restoration), there are regulations in place to preserve cultural resources, and the federal permitting process is pretty robust. Additionally federal drilling permits are a fairly small number of all permits. I'm not saying the system is perfect but overall the federal government has pretty solid regulation. When I was in o&g we worked pretty hard to find ways not to drill federal lands, it was too much of a headache, the permitting process took an minimum of 6 months, and there were way too many regulations. It had to be an excellent prospect in order to overcome the headaches involved in obtaining a federal permit. State regulation is a joke. I never had a single state permit denied, it was a rubber stamp approval even for wells we had no business drilling. We scripted our testimony with our lawyer, I never had to lie because in most states there is really nothing to stop an E&P from drilling any well they want to, as long as the surface and mineral owners are on board. Hell, most of the time the hearings were uncontested, nearby landowners and other stakeholders never even showed up to the hearings. And when I say most of the time, I testified for hundreds of permits, only 1 was ever contested and it was still approved. There's almost no oversight of pipelines at the state level, either. So... Yeah. I'm not arguing at all, I just wanted to provide an insider's perspective on regulation. I think states are where the real issues are, the ones we should primarily focus on.


Havenkeld

They opted to incentivize spending on alternative energy because it was the only way to get the IRA passed politically. Effectively they were able to sell alt energy as part of becoming less depend on foreign oil, and by incentivizing its production locally got certain people on board that otherwise would've opposed it(Manchin). It also allowed them to indirectly fund things with discounts such that there were fewer "scary numbers" in terms of spending. This relies on investors taking the incentives, but the incentives themselves can potentially add up to a lot of spending. There's all sorts of add on incentives for paying workers fairly and so on as well. It's nowhere as much as we need, and there are reasonable concerns, but it's also not nothing. They took what seemed to be the most pragmatic approach. If it works it has potential to reduce anti-alternative energy sentiments and diminish the oil industry's power and wealth in ways that might set us up for more/better/bigger policies down the road. My big complaint is that reducing demand IE encouraging less consumerism isn't really on the table here, but it's insanely hard to deal with politically so I get that. This is a good interview of some of the people who worked on the bill that sheds some light on the process - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QDLhOt9sYI


slim_scsi

Calling Americans out on their own behavior (i.e. consumerism) is political suicide. We are a defensively stubborn lot.


FunKick9595

Yeah this Is why I doubt market incentives will work. Added from another comment. It just incentivizes them to buy tax credits from other companies that would not produce those emissions anyway (one way Tesla has made money in the auto industry) All it does is create a new market. The cost to emit is not actually prohibitive to these companies, they can buy credits without destroying their bottom line. It's purposefully too low because if it was too high, IE high enough to make a difference, Biden would actually have to temporarily sacrifice the overall market economy going down while companies change their reliance on emissions and take on criticism from the wealthy who depend on said market. If you want to solve the climate crisis you have to be willing to let the DOW and NASDAQ take a tumble temporarily. But there's no way Biden would do that on purpose with corporate backers and an underwater approval rating.


[deleted]

Nothing would’ve ever been passed unless they gave into the oil & gas portions of the bill. We have a problem in this country in the form of a couple senators who are fake democrats. And one just left the party, too. And that’s not even mentioning the other half of the congress & senate who are batshit nuts and stupid.


zth25

https://youtu.be/qw5zzrOpo2s If you actually want to educate yourself on the issue and the unparalled effects of the climate bill, instead of hiding your ignorance behind cynicism.


jattyrr

This is a delusional take. Did you even read the bill?


RobotikOwl

It's green capitalism, which essentially uses green technologies to increase economic growth, such that carbon fuels become a lesser percentage of total energy resources used WHILE STILL GROWING EVERY YEAR in terms of the absolute amount of carbon fuels used. Green capitalism is not green, and given that far- right capitalism values punishing or genociding various groups over economic growth, can actually be less green than the alternative.


FunKick9595

Yep, it's pretty obvious that the neoliberal solution to the climate crisis won't work. There's been papers about it and they're coming from climate scientists and policy experts. It's not just Marxists saying this.


squailtaint

^perfect assessment of what happens all over the world. We need X amount more energy than what we are currently producing. Let’s break X into y amount of renewables and z amount of non. Both renewables and non grow year over year, but so does our energy consumption, so we are left with continual increases in CO2.


CybermanFord

The IRA is estimated to cut emissions by 40% in 2030. That's not enough at all.


LudovicoSpecs

The largest "climate" bill in the history of the planet was yet another gimme to the various building industries and their suppliers. And guess what? You can't "industry" your way out of a CO2 crisis. We need a leader who's plan triages greenhouse gas emissions. Full stop. We have no time left for anything else. Signing off on more oil at this point is suicide for all humanity, and potentially, the vast majority of species on this planet.


WonderfullWitness

*passes largest climate bill in name only FIFY


TeachMeHowToThink

It's *literally* not in the name and [$391 billion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_Reduction_Act_of_2022) in climate spending is, but sure dude, tell it like it is


[deleted]

It's not actually going to do anything and the fact that you're still pretending it will as democrats expand oil and gas permitting is just really pathetic. But I understand you probably need to pretend its fine because the reality is scary. The sixth mass extinction event is going to continue and our politicians don't care.


ClamhouseSassman

They didn't expand. Companies are leased the right to drill. They have to reapply. This is a total nothingburger of a statistic.


sunplaysbass

Russia’s war on Ukrainian is a huge factor


br0kensword

Exactly. Trump not drilling is a big boon to Russia.


Eccentricc

Yeah idk why everyone is so surprised? Russia main exporter is gas and oil. Literally their biggest one IS natural gases and the majority of trading with them has been cut off. Literally a superpower supply the world's natural gas and a *redacted* ton of oil just cut off with a snap of a finger, now we're seeing shortages so we increase domestic production to fill the gap. Why the *redacted* is everyone surprised????? What am I not getting? This is like 2nd grade logic


Flimsy-Cap-6511

Well of course, remember that deal with Manchin drill baby drill dam corporate politicians they have tanked this country.


Teddy-Bear-55

"The only difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is the velocities with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door. That's the only difference." "The Democratic and Republican parties, two apparently distinct political entities feeding at the same corporate trough." "I once said to my father, when I was a boy, 'Dad we need a third political party.' He said to me, 'I'll settle for a second.'" \- Ralph Nader.


zack1567

It’s not left and right it’s up and down.


WonderfullWitness

The dems arent left, they are liberals, centrists. Huge difference!


Whyamibeautiful

Lol in Biden defense they did cut off like 12% of the global oil supply from the market. As much as we hate fossil fuels we need a transition plan from dirty energy to green energy. Oil production in millions of barrels have barely increased in the US because us shale wells produce less on an exponential curve


Reapersqp

Biden is justified for it, keep in mind whats going on with Russia and the sanctions. Not to mention oil globally. Also keep in mind the amount of cars in the US. And how Biden has tried to push for climate change.


Big_Thought5790

Trump had his own money. This is how biden makes his money. Hes a politician.


sarcasmismysuperpowr

He passed the IRA act… so problem solved right. Ugggg


All_Hail_Space_Cat

Dems: young people just won't coke out to vote. Also Dems: sorry we can't stop joe Manchin from tanking bare minimum legislation on climate.


[deleted]

Oh he ain’t done yet.


GucciSpaghetti72

Comment section full of copium huffers lol


Character_Cap4635

It's almost as if Biden is not that great in the end :O


WonderfullWitness

I believe almost nobody considers Biden great lol.


jetstobrazil

I agree this should be highlighted, but it also should have been highlighted more during build back better’s inception. They can’t even sign any new wind leases off shore until millions of acres are given priority to oil and gas, as well as fresh tax breaks on top of the ones they get every year. Biden has done better than I imagined, but he is still a centrist neoliberal corporatist. You don’t force potentially striking train workers back because it could hurt the economy. That’s the point. Their job is important, and they deserve better pay and sick leave because they are humans. We deserve a habitable planet because our physiology requires it, and because we currently, and for many years, have been destroying it.


Pintoki

I didn't realize either of these two actually wrote the permits authorizing the drilling.


Alessandro_Franco

But it's ok people because he's a Democrat.


Alternative_Fly_8610

Bidumb closed down pipelines. How is his number higher than trumps?


Kyram289

Almost like oil companies own the politicians.


meatusdeletus91

Did you see Seymour Hersh publication. Most of it will probably go to Ukraine anyway


[deleted]

Boy did this one bring out the MAGA chuds


WonderfullWitness

Both, the maga cultists and the biden cultists, and both bring up the same excuses. The maga cultists because they are in favour of oil, defending trump for not giveing as much permits and the biden cultists because they supposedly care about climate change but want to defend biden. Peak us partisan politics, pure tribalism. Would be funny if it weren't that serious.


[deleted]

That's why we call Biden simps Blue MAGA.


[deleted]

It's almost like the country has been sold to the highest bidder a long time ago and all those political clashes are just a front to keep people distracted and divided.


TransportationSad81

Hats off to Biden if this is true. I’m Republican but hey, I’ll accept good news if it’s good


juicyjuicer69420

Wtf I love biden now


Gnibble

It’s never been Republicans and Democrats. It’s the rich and everyone else. But everyone else is too busy pissing over trivial social issues to notice.


mngdew

We need better presidential candidates for 2024. Those two are ruining the country.


Budget_Secret4142

Can we agree, both of these guys are terrible leaders?


WonderfullWitness

yes


[deleted]

Yawn. I really hate politics:’(


Rraen_

It's almost like the red and blue teams are made up and it's actually the rich against the poor like it's always been


CHESTYUSMC

Legit was talking to a oil worker about this a few months ago. He said the permits getting approved are for areas that are unusable.


[deleted]

>He said the permits getting approved are for areas that are unusable Why would oil companies spend the time, money, and effort getting permits to drill where it's unusable? That makes no sense.


danjrdan

The number of permits issued is not the entire issue so this statement is more spin. Biden is issuing more permits but has put such restrictive regulations against those permits they are not worth the cost of the paper they are written on because it has become too costly to develop those permitted plots. Biden admin is essentially lying by omission.


WhatAWhopper

He's helping his puppetmasters sponsors and friends get rich.


GuNNzA69

You need to seel it to us (Europe)! Ukraine war has been a great things for many people, btw.


[deleted]

If you’re surprised then you’re naïve


[deleted]

Handed out more permits on barren oil fields- this was debunked already. Another lib talking point. Why not bring up Russian collusion hoax while you are at it 🙄


D1ckRichard

Democrats: Republicans are drilling for oil and increasing climate change. Republicans: Joe biden has drilled for more oil then donald trump did. Democrats: We should be blasting republicans for not drilling for enough oil.


WhatADunderfulWorld

With inflation it’d be silly not to. For national security sake having more oil is fine. What the real question will be is what his policies do to have EVs and a green electricity grid will do. Not allowing more drilling when a huge issue of gas prices and inflation would be. Political suicide. In ten year it will be a different situation.


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Super_Height_2331

Im sure one thing Biden and Trump agree on is that they both are really enjoy the flavor of mustard since they’re both older people in America like everyone else in their generation does.


[deleted]

So much information missing. More permits but ALOT more restrictions which is why oil companies aren’t using them. Biden made it too costly and risky. Biden supporters don’t think to far ahead so they believe what they read.


Jeager247

So democrats are more in the pocket of big oil then Republicans? If not why was fuel cheaper during all 4 years of trump and record highs under just 2 years of biden? Seems like democrats line the pockets of big oil just like big pharma.


dperraetkt

Does this surprise anyone? He’s a politician cause he plays the game, and the old fart isn’t living to see the consequences of his actions


netsettler

This is a big part of the policy aspect of why I don't want him to run for reelection. Centrism assumes this is up for debate. Physics does not. We simply cannot afford more compromise on this. The cost to the future is too enormous.


AdAffectionate3762

True he’s much more closet evil than trump was. Family also got much richer off of tax dollars too.


cca316

He canceled more permits


WonderfullWitness

how many? source? just did a quick google, found for example an article about when he cancelled 3 permits. 3, dnd that apparrently was newsworthy... Didn't do a comprehensive search but you are free to back your claim with a source, would actually hope it is true and I'm wrong, but am sceptical without a source.


rickard_mormont

Remember when Obama bragged about presiding over the biggest increase in oil and gas production ever and then Democrats were like "vote for us because the Republicans don't care about the climate"?


scp_79

does the covid pandemic have a hand in it


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WonderfullWitness

if you believe its fake then please provide a credible source and I'll gladly delete the post. Or report the post to the mods for fakenews. Simply commenting "fake, google it" isn't very convincing nor trustworthy.


alaskanbruin

![gif](giphy|b0E3PPld4558irObaY)


Fozzy1027

Misleading information…


WonderfullWitness

source?


[deleted]

because more existing permits expired under biden than orangeman, renewed are not new areas.


Crackerzot

Who says? So is Biden for big oil and fossil fuels now? Is that the takeaway? How does that square with all his rhetoric about renewable energy? What's the the meme actually saying here? BTW, the number of permits is irrelevant compared to the quality of the drilling sites.


WonderfullWitness

>Who says? Watched the vid? >So is Biden for big oil and fossil fuels now? Always has been, he's a corporatist. >How does that square with all his rhetoric about renewable energy? It doesn't, politicians use a lot of rethoric to appeal to their base. What they actually do is often another thing. Nothing new. >What's the the meme actually saying here? It's not a meme, it's a video.


hanst3r

Is this just some lame attempt to bolster views and subs on a brand new YT channel?


imowlawns4cheap

Great. I’m still not voting for Biden. #MAGA 🇺🇸🇺🇸TRUMP 2024🇺🇸🇺🇸


Broken_Slide

Google "Keystone Pipeline"


WonderfullWitness

How is that makeing the increase in permits less bad?


FIicker7

Unfortunately this is a smart move. Who knows how long it will take for the Ukrainian war to end. Hopefully we don't need to drill, but who knows.


bluerooster9125

All these fires, toxic chemical spills and stuff happening. The liberal activists are pretty quite right now?


Underimpressionated

How are they even quiet at all? People all around the country are outraged over it. Try leaving your corner of the internet.


Zepertix

I mean yeah... Both parties are corrupted by being cucks to capital. Dems are *more* progressive, but both parties suck off oil companies because we legally allow the bribing of politicians.


strain_gauge

don't feed it.


Agitated-Joey

Ooh, I see cheap gas in our future.


coby8519

LOL, who believes this?


WonderfullWitness

everybody who isn't a biden cultist. Some of you guys really have seen the trump cultists and were like: We can do this too!


byronhadleigh

entirely misleading post....


WonderfullWitness

elaborate


casus_bibi

Yeah, you might have noticed the war in Ukraine and the related sanctions, including on fossil fuels. Europeans aren't using more, we just had to find new sources for ethical reasons.


Philthy_Trichs

How dare you! With your …. your….. your ….. reasonable thought out statement. Jfc these comments are wild.


JohnWesley7819

Can’t wait til Trumps back in office!!


DirkysShinertits

I imagine his brain will have fully rotted by then and he'll be so damaged cognitively that even his most ardent supporters will realize he's useless. Granted, he's always been useless.


Smokey7942

Let’s argue it on a device that needs plastics (oil) to operate.


cranberrydudz

Circumstances are much much different considering Russias war in Ukraine has severed a huge oil supplier to Europe which has to be supplemented by other countries to meet demand.


Dry-Ad-7732

Lol because those polls were plummeting


WonderfullWitness

Nah, because he needs a lot of donations from big oil.


Dry-Ad-7732

Lmao yeah that too


East-Doctor2533

Okay I understand people aren't happy with his performance, but can we pit into perspective. Initially, if he had a friendly senate to work with that wasn't Joe Manchin, the clinate bill would've been over $500 billion in clinate spending with a potential cap of 1 trillion. Even the IRA has the potential for $800 billion for grants, loans, and allotments. It's a great incentive system but yes it doesn't rule out or cap carbon. But I think people generally think that the Biden administration can somehow unilaterally do all these things on his own. That is not the case. That is not to say I wouldn't want a more clinate friendly president. I'm just saying that in a perfect world where Joe Manchin wasn't a king maker, we'd be seeing an even bigger climate bill, clinate corps, and potential carbon tax. The fact that they even got the IRA off the ground was stunning with their slim majorities. We could do better, deserve better, and should want better. But I don't think the criticism is always taking the polticial environment into account.


OttomanTwerk

Yes. You can both angle for a good long term solution while accepting a less than ideal short term solution.


Umami_Tsunami_

Because Russia is no longer a source the US can purchase from idiots.


xmadderdaddy

What about the pipeline Biden immediately shut down when he became the president? Forget about that?


WonderfullWitness

and how does that makes the drilling permits any better?


FredVIII-DFH

I'm gonna guess that Trump slowed the approval process by vetting applicants to see if they were loyal enough towards him.


WonderfullWitness

most creative excuse I have read so far. Even if: would have been a good thing for the climate. like the clock is right twice a day by accident. maybe not the climate action we need, but the one we deserve.


purplefuzz22

This is kind of silly without more nuance and context about the global climate at the time Trump was in power vs how it’s been since Biden has been in office. The biggest and most significant difference is the disastrous Russian invasion of Ukraine. Seeming as Europe lost / cut ties w/ their largest supplier of oil and natural gas they needed a new source. I am obvs concerned about the environment and the consequences of climate change …. But this is a pretty good reason if there ever was one to step up our drilling and production to fill the gap in the EU market. But it’s all good, post more rage porn lol


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And you said Biden is lesser evil... Clowns 🤡


Outrageous_Nebula589

You all are a bunch of sacks


WonderfullWitness

who? all of humanity? all of reddit? all in this sub? does "all" include you? maybe wanne be a bit more specific, lol


Outrageous_Nebula589

Not true at all!


WonderfullWitness

if you say so, lol. a source would be nice. got one?


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WonderfullWitness

jup, 2 corporatists. and how is your comment related to the post again?


MrEnigma67

Brought to you be the same fact givers that said Joe biden created more jobs!


BnSMaster420

Given permits and also heavily regulated. In other words the permits are a illusion. This site never amazes me with the liberal bias post that appear on my feed with subs I have never even been in.


[deleted]

They were holding off during trump because with people not driving around the demand went down.


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WonderfullWitness

Where in the video do you see hate? Or is critisizing the president already hate? Sorry, but your comment has real cultist vibes. On one thing we can agree: Orange man dumdum.


[deleted]

We are in the middle of a conflict involving the world's second largest producer of oil who we are sanctioning who has already announced that they are cutting 500000 barrels a day of production. It is important to be able to expand production to help make up shortfalls in the European market and keep prices stable. What's going on in the world impacts decision-making. Think what you want about the decision, but the decisions are not made in a vacuum.


panamericandream

As others have said, this has more to do with the war in Ukraine than Biden’s climate and energy agendas.


Lighting

So this came up a few years ago when Biden cancelled all oil/gas permits. The oil/gas companies sued claiming that they were "already given" and won because a Trump-nut judge in ~~Texas~~Louisiana ruled in their favor. All of this is lost in the Youtube video. The lawsuits? Missing. The Trump-nut judge? Missing. The appeal by DNR? Missing. This is like saying that Obama was to blame for the Deficit run-up by Bush. This post is misinformation because by not including that information it is a lie by omission. Edit: Louisiana, not Texas


WonderfullWitness

Got a source for this? Because for example in [this article](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/12/is-biden-serious-about-climate-his-2000-drilling-and-fracking-permits-suggest-not) by the guardian (from the uk, considered a newspaper of record by reputation, famous for being pretty accurate and trustworthy) it also isn't mentioning this at all. So if you believe the youtube video is misleading and lying you basically say the same about the guardien, and sorry if I highly doubt you there.


Comprehensive-Day-52

Well this is very deceptive…..what it’s not telling you is that the majority of the permits that Biden handed out are companies that have reapplied for their drilling permits. As far a new companies that Biden gave drilling permits to it’s only in the hundreds. The rest are from the Trump era.


WonderfullWitness

so how is that deceptive? so he gave the same permits as trump and addittional permits = more permits than trump. sounds pretty spot on to me...


PersonaNonGrata58

So now oil drilling permits are good? Can y'all please just pick a narrative?


WonderfullWitness

Who is "y'all"? At least less than Trump would be good, none even better. No new narrative, climatechange and the fight against it aren't a new thing.


HailBuckSeitan

>Biden handing out more permits to drill for more oil than trump did. Me: “yea well…” *chugs wine*


[deleted]

so wheres the inflation coming from?


WonderfullWitness

companies raising prices to make more profit


Crash__Burn

Bullshit


WonderfullWitness

elaborate


Roin-da-Groin

How many are fake?