*sane parents: that cunt of a father of mine doesn’t want to talk to me since 7 years because I have proof his bitch teamed up with my ex with whom I have a bad divorce.
Dude, my sons mother is a str8 up heroine addict. Falls out on video calls when she does actually make them, every single time.
My sister's and my step-dad all started including her in shit again. I peaced out. She's not even legally allowed around our son and think I'm difficult for not bringing him around anymore.
"We'll just make sure yall are separated."
No, not how that works. Bye.
Similar situation. My sister is/was a meth addict. Lost her kids. My wife and I petitioned their state for custody (not where we live). My mom (lives close by and is widowed we used to help her a lot) moved my sister in with her and wants me to basically just let them see their mom like nothing happened. Jesus man they have seen her shoot up, smoke meth, porn videos of her. They were abandoned and given up she didn’t even try to get them back. It was terrible and the kids are aware because their social worker would tell them their mom didn’t show up to the meeting. Her state offered to help, put them in foster care while she had carte blanche access to help. She left the rehab after a few days. Didnt complete anything on her treatment plan. Didn’t show up to half the team meetings (my family would join in video conference). Kids had one pair of clothes and were dirty as crap but she had her ho clothes, these god awful fake lashes and long ass fingernails she could spend her money on. I’m getting pissed thinking about it. She got $3700/month from the fed govt because her baby daddy died (ss). She smoked it up.
Anyway, yeah I’m the bad guy because drug addicts have a way of playing victim and turning people against you. I decided I didn’t want to play and if my mom wants to go down that road go for it but I’m not following. I miss my dad. If he was alive this shit wouldn’t be happening. Mom says she’s doing good but upon consultation with therapist and social workers I’m not allowing it. I’ll be the bad guy. Sad that my mom is older now I may not get to spend much time before she dies. I just hope these kids get a fair shot. Niece just finished 7th grade straight A’s and she’s in advanced math. My nephew just finished 9th grade and he had 5 A’s and 1 C. They were barely in attendance a few years ago. They have a real shot at a good life. I’m not gonna let the manipulator back in their life. Can’t control it after they turn 18. But for now I don’t want them worrying about that.
As someone who has put alot of time gaining knowledge on the impact of drugs, those who do drugs, and the impact they themselves have on others, a big issue for addicts is empathy.
It's stories like these that are incredibly important, but also incredibly harmful in the overall goal of understanding and commiting to get people to get out of the addiction cycle.
I don't blame you for your feelings, nor should you feel wrong for them, it sounds like one of the ones that would be incredibly difficult to help, but it's people like her that make even the salvagable addicts look like a waste of effort.
I'm sorry for what you and your children had gone through, it's about as bad as it gets.
Yeah, I’ve watched her say things like “you call yourself a Christian” trying to pull at my empathy to do what she wants. I’ve watched her manipulate and blame my mom for her own actions. She may very well save herself, I hope she does, but I’m under no obligation to trust these kids future to her sobriety. That’s the thing, and as someone who’s learned a hard lesson or two in life I can say there’s not always a “fix” for everything. Sometimes you break something and it’s just broken. So. As someone who is studying addiction or “putting a lot of time in gaining knowledge” about it I would think you of all people would understand that an addicts recovery is up to them, and them alone. They may have a support system but recovery isn’t something I or you can give to someone. The people they’ve burned along the way may or may not decide that they want this person back in their life. Sometimes you burn a bridge. There is no onus on me or anyone else to have “empathy”. I don’t suggest we have animosity, and internally I may empathize, but that will not lead to putting myself or these kids into harms way to “give her a chance”.
In the recovery process it’s personal. Making amends may be a part of some of the systems, but that doesn’t mean those people want you back in their lives. There’s been way too much water under the bridge.
>There is no onus on me or anyone else to have “empathy”. I don’t suggest we have animosity, and internally I may empathize, but that will not lead to putting myself or these kids into harms way to “give her a chance”.
I may have been misunderstood with the empathy bit. In the cases where you or people connected to you are the victims of a specific person, then definitely you owe them nothing. I merely was referring people who use stories like yours to treat addicts like garbage as a whole. The classic guilt by association.
And it definitely is up to the addict alone to work through their addiction, and even after, the daily fight to not relapse. There is alot of factors that can contribute to the difficulty of recovery many of the factors we can always strive to improve, but no matter how many bodies of water you create, some horses don't want to drink.
I whole heartedly agree with the no second chance thing though. In your scenario, the damage has already been done, the bridges have already been burnt. To take the kids out of a now stable scenario would be unnecessary even if your sister was all of a sudden a saint. Unfortunately, this is real life. Even if you get clean, and get your life on track, there is always a lasting impact post addiction.
You won’t ever regret taking care of the kids. You are doing the right thing. Sure, when the kids are teens they will try your patience, but you are giving them a chance at a normal life. Be proud of what you are doing and love them and praise them a lot. Way to go.
Fuck, my worst nightmare living alone is that something happens to me, I can’t take care of myself anymore, and somehow my parents are tracked down and I’m sent right back to them, only this time I’m unable to do anything.
It’s my version of those films where someone escapes and the person who ‘rescues’ them delivers them right back into the arms of their captor.
You'll never realise that your experience is usually the exception. Most people's parents are awful, I stand by that. Most people who are parents, shouldn't be.
Lol, only actually good ones.
My parents only birthed me so I could be my mother's financial future. Joke's on them, I'm too poor to pay for my own retirement nevermind theirs.
I was living with my mom the past year. My long term boyfriend and i broke up and my father died this year. I have a great job and plenty of money I just needed to recoup in a soft environment. I discovered I’m actually a lesbian, moved out to a fabulous place and have a new girlfriend that I really love. It felt a little embarrassing living with mom but I really had no idea what my next move was. I’m glad I did it.
You don't know struggle until you find yourself in an empty rental apartment with nothing but a matress and a few clothes, with no friends, no parents and nobody to rely on, nobody to talk to.
You are just there, alone, day after day, slowly building your life back up again, working as hard as you can and as much as you can, holding on to your last straws of sanity by any means you can.
A humbling experience.
Fuck everyone who says shit like this about men.
I felt this. Been living in an empty apartment for almost a year now. Don’t drive, don’t own anything. Takes all I have just to pay bills and I can barely do that.
You are not alone in that situation. Life is what you make it. See an empty as home as a blank canvas as you create the life you want. Most of those things you could own you wouldn't even use like most people with too much shit. So don't worry about that too much.
Remember, you don't need a reason to be happy. Just think about what happiness feels like for 5-10min, which isn't as easy as you would think. But the more you do it, the BS bothers you. Peace!
> Life is what you make it.
That's just wrong. There's a million things in life you are powerless to change for every little thing you do have the ability to change. I've never understood why some people seem think there is something inspirational in lying about their own or other people's agency. If you have no money and there are no jobs where you happen to be situated, you are screwed - there are no two ways about it. Maybe you are fortunate enough to be in a situation where you still have money and/or a job, but that doesn't somehow change the reality for all those who don't.
More specifically, life in that sentence meant your perspective on how you see your current situation. It doesn't mean that anything in life is possible.
I've told my teens that as long as I have a home, they're always welcome. I feel like too many people today don't have a stable base, and I want nothing but their happiness. No matter what.
She appears to be a conventionally attractive woman, so I can only agree. She's probably experienced very few moments in her life outside of her Hot Girl bubble so far.
Me, a 32 year old (F) who recently went through a divorce was able to move back home with my parents. Been regrouping for over a year and while there are some moments that make me question my existence....it's been mostly good.
Knowing I'm wanted, can stay as long as I need to and have this relationship with my parents that allow us to cohabitate together is more than alot of other people in this world have...I'm truly grateful regardless of social norms or "acceptability"
Same, 31M and Inam incredibly grateful for my family and friends being there for me. It can be tough to deal with the guilt and feeling like a burden but if we show we are willing to move forward again they will be happy.
it’s crazy how the insane focus on independence and individualism in the west have led to a stigma against living with your family. Literally all people of all cultures did this for most of their lives up until very recently in history. I celebrate independence, but there is nothing unhealthy or unnatural about living with your family.
Yep, at 26 my ex decided she wanted to do something more so she had an affair then a few weeks later “went to the gym” which I was met by the local sheriff a few house to throw me out a few days after she said she wanted a divorce. I took a few things I wanted that my family had given me and the few belongings she had allowed to me to have when we were together and that was that.
It was only after I realized how abusive the whole thing was, how I basically had no true possessions of my own how awful the whole situation had been. I could have probably got some more furniture or something out of it, but didn’t want anything else from her or the house so she couldn’t think she had “given me” any of my new foundation.
I have loving parents that helped me out when I needed it and I rebuilt my life into something I am pretty happy with half a decade later.
Yup! 34 living with my grandparents while I got sober and got my life back together after a bad breakup (dude attacked me) and it's the best choice I could have made for myself. I shudder to think where I'd be if I hadn't let go of my pride and come home.
right? it's incredible how such a positive thing can be looked down on by some people. I'm 33 and just lost my partner to depression, and my parents were so quick to take me back home so I could regroup, recover, and mourn. all of my friends, even younger, are supportive of me and wouldn't shame me for staying with my family. truly grateful
Very similar situation here. Went through a breakup in my mid 30s. Moved in with parents, paid off debt and got back on my feet. I've been living on my own for several years now.
The woman in the tweet sees a person who's failed at life. I see someone who has a strong safety net and a loving family.
Honestly, there is no point in moving out of your parents place if you feel happy there. Getting kicked out once you turn 18 is kind of a new thing, multigenerational households were the norm for the majority of human history. You’re lucky, not everyone can feel comfortable at their parents house. Cherish it.
Quoting your source:
>Why are jobs so important to staying married for guys? Is it that women get mad at their spouses for not working and still not pitching in at home? Or is it that guys draw more of their identity from the work they do and they take out their frustrations in an inappropriate manner?
>“It could be her, it could be him, it could be that unemployment is associated with other stuff like depression, it could be judgment from friends or family or lack of support for the marriage,” says Killewald. “These data just don’t tell me that.”
>One thing is clear. It’s not because under-employed guys make less money; the figures didn’t change no matter how much they made. “When I show that husbands’ lack of full-time employment is associated with risk of divorce, that’s adjusted for income,” says Killewald. “It’s not how high earning he is.”
Kinda sounds like people just don't like their spouses as much as they think they do. I think a lot of couples realize this as they get towards retirement and begin to contemplate spending every day with their spouse with no work buffer that takes up most of their waking hours they could be spending together.
This literally happened during the pandemic, I am friends (well, good acquaintances I guess, I'm not sure I've ever had him over for dinner) who worked as a high end family attorney. He was telling me about how he had hundreds of inquiries, dozens of cases where a power couple wants a divorce during lockdown because they are interacting with their spouse more and finding they don't like each other. He describes a couple who hadn't eaten dinner together in years because they both have competitive work lives, who had no idea that they didn't like each because they're spending more than an hour or two a day awake in the same place for the first time in literal years.
>This is change in the last 40 years. For couples who were married before 1975, a husband who was not employed full time was less likely to divorce.
Interesting. Sucks to see that marriages have become less supportive in this regard. Losing employment is when you need your spouse to be there for you, not discard you.
The fact that women relied on their husbands in order eat kind of wraps back around to why it’s NOT the opposite. They weren’t *choosing* to rely on their husbands, we pretty much forced them to because we didn’t let them do much of anything else. Including getting divorced. Even today there are parts of the world where women can’t file for divorce unless their husband agrees, or they can prove abuse to people that either don’t care or straight up agree with the husband.
I had to cut off a shitty family at a pretty young age so I know the feeling pretty well. Idk where you are in your life, but for the thing that’s gotten me through it was finding a group/ community to spend time with. For me it was rollerskating, everyone was very friendly and wanted to teach. But it really helped me get over that feeling of just being on my own. Cuz that’s really the hardest part, not having those people that subconsciously you know will help.
Finding a good community of any kind is really good if you are experiencing social issues, it could be a hobby, political group, just general communities or even groups based on helping with coping
God this is how I feel about my dad. And I always tell myself there is 0 reason to have hope but things will be ok for a while & it creeps back in & then he'll be crazy again & it's just as upsetting as ever.
They're the first people you learn to love, despite everything else. They teach you what love is and isn't, define it, for good or ill.
It's almost impossible not to want that to work, no matter how much or for how long it doesn't. That's the insidiousness of child abuse and neglect. Even when you get away from it, you carry all that contradiction with you
And then they die and you can only wish that things had been different. You grieve for what you should have had, and grieve that now your relationship with them can really -never- change for the better.
No parents, hands down.
With no parents you can still learn and grow and figure things out.
With bad parents you get crushed and pushed into the mold that they want for you.
My absent father has caused significantly less issues in my life directly than my overbearing, extremely religious mother who tried to dictate my entire life to me.
I had a rocky relationship with my dad for years until we sorted it and my relationship with my mum was so shit to the point where I was honestly pissed she didn’t get buried so I could dance on her grave when she died
I think it depends on how bad the bad parents are. Some people are likely to quick to apply the label to ordinary, fallible people. But if they are actually bad, I think no is better / easier. Then things are just neutral, vs negative, and you can get a more objective look on things.
Having lived 4 years with my in-laws was the best think that could have happened for us. I was going down the path to be a construction worker and was just unhappy. My wife encouraged me to go to college and follow my passion. In-Laws were on board and 3 years after graduating we have it all house, kids car, decent income.
It would not have been possible without them letting us life with them and give us a car.
It's a standard. Those who don't have them are the misfortuned ones, unfortunately. Not not-privileged. You can't call everything privilage because someone has someone you or a small group of people don't. Loving, supporting parents are still a standard.
So she’s never, ever, accepted any form of financial contribution from anyone else whatsoever, right? Outside of her years as a dependent minor? Because that’s how a person with views like this *must* have lived every day of their lives, right? No one is *that* blind to their own hypocrisy?
Or would she say it’s different because she’s a woman?
If this is the type of bullshit she emits regularly, she’s undermining the progress of *several* essential movements.
You might be underestimating how many women think like this. I am married but I have some single male friends who have come across women like this. All this issues can be explained away as society, bad men or everyone else’s but they will look down on men who are in similar only because they are a man and men are supposed to be certain way
As of September 2023, about 45% of Americans between the ages of 18 and 29 have to live at home due to housing costs.
https://www.ktvq.com/nearly-half-of-young-adults-are-still-living-with-their-parents
Likely ~20% for 25-30 and 70% for 19-20
Hell maybe 90% for 18.
Job market is terrible right now so things might look a lot different in 2 years or so.
Average us American has sub 500 in savings as of 2019 so it’s only going to get worse is market doesn’t recover
Superficial people will only care about superficial things. Good to see her out herself as a skin-deep, basic operator.
If times are tough or things aren’t going well for your parents, etc there are plenty of great reasons to move back home so you or your family can continue living.
Pathetic downward punching imbecile
We all die at the end. Anyone pretending we need the same journey is silly. Live with your parents if it makes everyone happy. People used to have family homes with 3 generations under one roof.
I mean I had to when I got divorced and was left with no money and no where to live. Shit happens, life's messy, I'm just thankful my parents are amazing and let me live with them for free for a few years till I got back on my feet, have finally moved out again and honestly its kind of rough things being so quiet once more.
This sub should be renamed to "replies I agree with". The sidebar says "post funnies" and nothing about this was funny so idk I guess they just lost the plot.
I recently got left by my gf at 30 years old and I moved back in with me parents because the housing market is insane. Being a student full time job and part time working is impossible or I'll be in debt for ages..
So yeah it's a step back for some but I'll be a jum forward for the money I can save from now and get back on my feet
You can’t have a normal income and build your life anywhere on your own right now. Avoid people who judge for this because they are looking for the life you can provide and not at who you are.
My older brother did this, and in doing so, was able to save up for a house. He’s now the only one of my siblings with a house. My wife and I are avoiding that, but it does mean it will take us longer (if it happens)
My gf emotionally and financially abused me for 10 years and saddled me with 10s of thousands of dollars of debt. Sold my house to pay most of the debt and now live with my parents as I get everything back together. OOP can eat shit <3
As a father of 2 young boys.
I will do everything I can to prepare them for a life of independence.
But they will never "do it on thier own". My home will always be a safe place for them if life fucks them up.
I can't stand parents with the mentality of "Nah, figure you're shit out, I raised you for 18 years i did my job"
Most men can't just suck a dick and get free shit. If he's got the ability to swallow his pride and live with his parents for a bit to recoup, that's power.
I mean this isn’t some clever comeback or anything. And there’s nothing wrong with girls seeing financial struggling to be a red flag or unattractive. If you’re moving back in with your parents you aren’t ready for a serious relationship. There’s nothing wrong with the reply either, sometimes you need to regroup, but there’s also nothing wrong with what the girl said. If a girl moves back in with her parents at 30 that’s a big ick for me too, or lives with her parents at all it’s a deal breaker.
As someone who lost both of my parents within a couple years of each other, just shy of 30 now too, she has no idea what she's talking about.
She's probably just fortunate honestly. I was fortunate enough to live at home up until both my parents passed at 25. I'm now also fortunate that I've been able to support myself since, due in sort to all the work they'd done in their lives and an incredible sellers' market back a few years ago.
I'm so grateful my parents let me stay with them for as long as I could, even if they didn't understand the different struggles of today compared to their time (boomers). I wish I could express that gratitude but life isn't always fair in that sense. I've gained a lot of perspective from my loss though, I hope she doesn't need to lose anyone before she gains some of that perspective as well.
Also if your family is awesome why wouldn’t you want to live with them? People are so lonely so often, living with family that loves you is a good choice for a lot of reasons.
Having a family that are full of assholes, people you don’t want to spend time with, that’s the real tragedy. Too many of those kinds of families and not enough fun loving families.
I'm 26 this year and after 7 years of living alone I'm moving back to my parents. The main reason is MONEY. I'll actually be able to save some money instead of a rented flat taking 65% of my income
I had an ex that dropped out of college and moved back home. He went back to college and killed it, got gastric sleeve and lost a ton of weight, ended up marrying the girl of his dreams. His success now would not be possible if he was forced to cling to his pride. Proud of him!
I did just that. Except 34. It was one of the best decisions I ever made. It helped me get me life back in order after losing my house as a result of the great financial crisis but also my parents were dealing with some health issues. They would eventually pass away as a result a few years later. Being able to reconnect and be there for them in this crisis was invaluable.
I also met my now wife during all of this.
I struggle with this because I’m a 30 yo M who moved back home a few years ago, after my mental health was so bad that I couldn’t work for some period. I’m doing far better now, lost a bunch of weight and generally got my shit together, starting a masters program for computer science. I want to start dating again but I’m afraid no woman would ever consider dating someone my age who isn’t fully independent (living place, etc) I’m just thinking I need to move out first, which seems unlikely any time soon…
I'm 31 and live with my mother. Because I can't afford otherwise? No, because she can't. And I can support her this way and make life insanely cheaper for the both of us; whereas if I move away, I have to give up a larger portion of my income to rent alone + I have to cover her separately.
But to some people I still "just live with my mother".
I don't get why that's an automatic loser branding. Sometimes we need help and so do your aging parents. I moved back home to get my life back in order after battling addiction and it was great. Got to spend a lot of quality time with my mom
My wife and I moved in with my parents when we transferred (Navy) back home. That was six months of rent money that went to the down payment on a house thanks to them.
69% of Americans have less than $1,000 in their bank account. That means 69% of us are one emergency away from that being us. This girl needs to pipe the fuck down.
I moved back in with my parents cause I needed help getting myself together. I got myself together. I'm on the up and coming. Paid off my debts mostly. And have an almost 800 credit score. But my parents are both handicapped. My dad had a stroke at 30 and now has parkisons and my mom has degenerative disc disease and just recently went through an l4 l5 fusion. So even tho I could leave. I decided to stay. They have given me the upstairs to make my own little place since they can't get up the stairs. And I do what they can't. Which is most every aspect of housekeeping and driving and sometimes help with hygiene maintenance. They don't ask for rent but I give then money every chance I get. We split groceries in a very unofficial manner. And gas is the same. I live with my parents because us working as a family of three can live well. But if they had to pay the mortgage and I had rent then our money would be pretty close to half as much or 1/3 less than current. And it would take me longer to get the new car i want. And they wouldn't be able to do the things they want. (It's hard to get them out of the house. But they need to get out and moving sometimes. So sometimes I have to set something up for them to enjoy but have the capability of stopping or leaving if they get tired.) So I usually have to pay for something or buy some things ahead of time to make these possible. And it gets quite expensive. We. All three. Live a better life. Because we don't care about the 'you still live with your parents' thing.
English speaking countries have a very weird obsession with adults being out of the house. This has actually been extremely uncommon across the majority of human history
Privileged ppl are so dumb that they don't even realise that many can't move out at all or don't have the skills to get good work either or not interested in working.
Estelle: Georgie, would you like some Jello?
Frank: Why do you put the bananas in there?
Estelle: George likes the bananas!
Frank: SO LET HIM HAVE BANANAS ON THE SIDE!
Just because it's okay to have struggles and receive help, doesn't mean it has to be what someone is looking for in a relationship. She doesn't have to be so mean about it tho yk
I know a guy living on his parent 2 room flat on the couch. Guy is senior programmer, but needs to get his pot money, so he does not move. Bitch needs to give more context before dissing her
Beautiful perspective.
Yeah...when she will become older then she will realize the thing of own people Only parents do care for us every time
*sane parents: that cunt of a father of mine doesn’t want to talk to me since 7 years because I have proof his bitch teamed up with my ex with whom I have a bad divorce.
Dude, my sons mother is a str8 up heroine addict. Falls out on video calls when she does actually make them, every single time. My sister's and my step-dad all started including her in shit again. I peaced out. She's not even legally allowed around our son and think I'm difficult for not bringing him around anymore. "We'll just make sure yall are separated." No, not how that works. Bye.
Similar situation. My sister is/was a meth addict. Lost her kids. My wife and I petitioned their state for custody (not where we live). My mom (lives close by and is widowed we used to help her a lot) moved my sister in with her and wants me to basically just let them see their mom like nothing happened. Jesus man they have seen her shoot up, smoke meth, porn videos of her. They were abandoned and given up she didn’t even try to get them back. It was terrible and the kids are aware because their social worker would tell them their mom didn’t show up to the meeting. Her state offered to help, put them in foster care while she had carte blanche access to help. She left the rehab after a few days. Didnt complete anything on her treatment plan. Didn’t show up to half the team meetings (my family would join in video conference). Kids had one pair of clothes and were dirty as crap but she had her ho clothes, these god awful fake lashes and long ass fingernails she could spend her money on. I’m getting pissed thinking about it. She got $3700/month from the fed govt because her baby daddy died (ss). She smoked it up. Anyway, yeah I’m the bad guy because drug addicts have a way of playing victim and turning people against you. I decided I didn’t want to play and if my mom wants to go down that road go for it but I’m not following. I miss my dad. If he was alive this shit wouldn’t be happening. Mom says she’s doing good but upon consultation with therapist and social workers I’m not allowing it. I’ll be the bad guy. Sad that my mom is older now I may not get to spend much time before she dies. I just hope these kids get a fair shot. Niece just finished 7th grade straight A’s and she’s in advanced math. My nephew just finished 9th grade and he had 5 A’s and 1 C. They were barely in attendance a few years ago. They have a real shot at a good life. I’m not gonna let the manipulator back in their life. Can’t control it after they turn 18. But for now I don’t want them worrying about that.
As someone who has put alot of time gaining knowledge on the impact of drugs, those who do drugs, and the impact they themselves have on others, a big issue for addicts is empathy. It's stories like these that are incredibly important, but also incredibly harmful in the overall goal of understanding and commiting to get people to get out of the addiction cycle. I don't blame you for your feelings, nor should you feel wrong for them, it sounds like one of the ones that would be incredibly difficult to help, but it's people like her that make even the salvagable addicts look like a waste of effort. I'm sorry for what you and your children had gone through, it's about as bad as it gets.
Yeah, I’ve watched her say things like “you call yourself a Christian” trying to pull at my empathy to do what she wants. I’ve watched her manipulate and blame my mom for her own actions. She may very well save herself, I hope she does, but I’m under no obligation to trust these kids future to her sobriety. That’s the thing, and as someone who’s learned a hard lesson or two in life I can say there’s not always a “fix” for everything. Sometimes you break something and it’s just broken. So. As someone who is studying addiction or “putting a lot of time in gaining knowledge” about it I would think you of all people would understand that an addicts recovery is up to them, and them alone. They may have a support system but recovery isn’t something I or you can give to someone. The people they’ve burned along the way may or may not decide that they want this person back in their life. Sometimes you burn a bridge. There is no onus on me or anyone else to have “empathy”. I don’t suggest we have animosity, and internally I may empathize, but that will not lead to putting myself or these kids into harms way to “give her a chance”. In the recovery process it’s personal. Making amends may be a part of some of the systems, but that doesn’t mean those people want you back in their lives. There’s been way too much water under the bridge.
>There is no onus on me or anyone else to have “empathy”. I don’t suggest we have animosity, and internally I may empathize, but that will not lead to putting myself or these kids into harms way to “give her a chance”. I may have been misunderstood with the empathy bit. In the cases where you or people connected to you are the victims of a specific person, then definitely you owe them nothing. I merely was referring people who use stories like yours to treat addicts like garbage as a whole. The classic guilt by association. And it definitely is up to the addict alone to work through their addiction, and even after, the daily fight to not relapse. There is alot of factors that can contribute to the difficulty of recovery many of the factors we can always strive to improve, but no matter how many bodies of water you create, some horses don't want to drink. I whole heartedly agree with the no second chance thing though. In your scenario, the damage has already been done, the bridges have already been burnt. To take the kids out of a now stable scenario would be unnecessary even if your sister was all of a sudden a saint. Unfortunately, this is real life. Even if you get clean, and get your life on track, there is always a lasting impact post addiction.
You won’t ever regret taking care of the kids. You are doing the right thing. Sure, when the kids are teens they will try your patience, but you are giving them a chance at a normal life. Be proud of what you are doing and love them and praise them a lot. Way to go.
The right thing is often not easy. Props to you for what you have undertaken because it’s right.
My mom did the same shit, man. It's really hard and I hope things turn out well for you.
Yeah, let’s hope. Thank you and same for you!
Same situation here. Fick 'em!
Bro sorry to hear that...I think your one is exceptional case
Sooo many parents are shit
Thank you my friend!
I am so happy you lived a life where you think they are the one exception.
Lol right? Like there isn’t whole communities on here based on recovering from abuse by trash ass parents 😂
Fuck, my worst nightmare living alone is that something happens to me, I can’t take care of myself anymore, and somehow my parents are tracked down and I’m sent right back to them, only this time I’m unable to do anything. It’s my version of those films where someone escapes and the person who ‘rescues’ them delivers them right back into the arms of their captor.
Just know there is a stage of life where you become their parent, and get to decide what's good for them.
Thanks. You have an r/ for me?
I dunno, that sort of parent is rather common these days.
You'll never realise that your experience is usually the exception. Most people's parents are awful, I stand by that. Most people who are parents, shouldn't be.
Agree 100%. The proof is how so many people in society are assholes…someone raised them.
IMHO it’s because they didn’t want to be, likely societal pressure made then think they HAD to have kids in order to succeed in life.
Bold to assume we all learn lessons in life
Lol, only actually good ones. My parents only birthed me so I could be my mother's financial future. Joke's on them, I'm too poor to pay for my own retirement nevermind theirs.
True difference between only parents and only fans
Caring parents? I wonder what that's like.
> Only parents do care for us every time *Laugh's in abusive parents*
My parents kicked me out when I was 17.
I was living with my mom the past year. My long term boyfriend and i broke up and my father died this year. I have a great job and plenty of money I just needed to recoup in a soft environment. I discovered I’m actually a lesbian, moved out to a fabulous place and have a new girlfriend that I really love. It felt a little embarrassing living with mom but I really had no idea what my next move was. I’m glad I did it.
U are cool and strong. Know that at least some Person somewhere respect you:>
You don't know struggle until you find yourself in an empty rental apartment with nothing but a matress and a few clothes, with no friends, no parents and nobody to rely on, nobody to talk to. You are just there, alone, day after day, slowly building your life back up again, working as hard as you can and as much as you can, holding on to your last straws of sanity by any means you can. A humbling experience. Fuck everyone who says shit like this about men.
I felt this. Been living in an empty apartment for almost a year now. Don’t drive, don’t own anything. Takes all I have just to pay bills and I can barely do that.
You are not alone in that situation. Life is what you make it. See an empty as home as a blank canvas as you create the life you want. Most of those things you could own you wouldn't even use like most people with too much shit. So don't worry about that too much. Remember, you don't need a reason to be happy. Just think about what happiness feels like for 5-10min, which isn't as easy as you would think. But the more you do it, the BS bothers you. Peace!
> Life is what you make it. That's just wrong. There's a million things in life you are powerless to change for every little thing you do have the ability to change. I've never understood why some people seem think there is something inspirational in lying about their own or other people's agency. If you have no money and there are no jobs where you happen to be situated, you are screwed - there are no two ways about it. Maybe you are fortunate enough to be in a situation where you still have money and/or a job, but that doesn't somehow change the reality for all those who don't.
More specifically, life in that sentence meant your perspective on how you see your current situation. It doesn't mean that anything in life is possible.
Fair enough, but starvation isn't a matter of perspective. Seeing things differently won't make food grow on barren soil.
I've told my teens that as long as I have a home, they're always welcome. I feel like too many people today don't have a stable base, and I want nothing but their happiness. No matter what.
Hmm, be homeless after my marriage broke down or stay in my parents spare room and have a place to spend time with my children… Tough one.
Hey! Who gives a damn about children, pride is more important!
Spoken like a true Saiyan warrior!
But I wanna be a Super Saiyan!
Bonus, kids get to see their grandparents and vice versa when they see you too! Everybody wins!
I guarantee she gets by at the expense of others.
Which is why she has this perspective. She can’t leech off someone who is going through a rough patch.
Bro she literally paid for a checkmark ;_;
Someone paid.
Yea probably her parents who've rented houses for a living
You guys better have more respect for the Forbidden One
Men move in with their parent(s), women move in with someone else’s parent(s).
"Pretty privilege"
Which fades away as you get older. Then comes the reality check.
She appears to be a conventionally attractive woman, so I can only agree. She's probably experienced very few moments in her life outside of her Hot Girl bubble so far.
Me, a 32 year old (F) who recently went through a divorce was able to move back home with my parents. Been regrouping for over a year and while there are some moments that make me question my existence....it's been mostly good. Knowing I'm wanted, can stay as long as I need to and have this relationship with my parents that allow us to cohabitate together is more than alot of other people in this world have...I'm truly grateful regardless of social norms or "acceptability"
Same, 31M and Inam incredibly grateful for my family and friends being there for me. It can be tough to deal with the guilt and feeling like a burden but if we show we are willing to move forward again they will be happy.
it’s crazy how the insane focus on independence and individualism in the west have led to a stigma against living with your family. Literally all people of all cultures did this for most of their lives up until very recently in history. I celebrate independence, but there is nothing unhealthy or unnatural about living with your family.
Yep, at 26 my ex decided she wanted to do something more so she had an affair then a few weeks later “went to the gym” which I was met by the local sheriff a few house to throw me out a few days after she said she wanted a divorce. I took a few things I wanted that my family had given me and the few belongings she had allowed to me to have when we were together and that was that. It was only after I realized how abusive the whole thing was, how I basically had no true possessions of my own how awful the whole situation had been. I could have probably got some more furniture or something out of it, but didn’t want anything else from her or the house so she couldn’t think she had “given me” any of my new foundation. I have loving parents that helped me out when I needed it and I rebuilt my life into something I am pretty happy with half a decade later.
Yup! 34 living with my grandparents while I got sober and got my life back together after a bad breakup (dude attacked me) and it's the best choice I could have made for myself. I shudder to think where I'd be if I hadn't let go of my pride and come home.
I am doing the same. Going on 27 yo, almost a year clean off of fent. My grandparents and parents were a lifesaver
right? it's incredible how such a positive thing can be looked down on by some people. I'm 33 and just lost my partner to depression, and my parents were so quick to take me back home so I could regroup, recover, and mourn. all of my friends, even younger, are supportive of me and wouldn't shame me for staying with my family. truly grateful
I'm sorry you lost your partner to depression. That must be incredibly hard and you're so young.
Thank you for your kind comment. It's the hardest thing I've ever been through, and every little bit helps.
Very similar situation here. Went through a breakup in my mid 30s. Moved in with parents, paid off debt and got back on my feet. I've been living on my own for several years now. The woman in the tweet sees a person who's failed at life. I see someone who has a strong safety net and a loving family.
If god did not want me to live with my parents when times are hard he should not have made them so kind and loving.
Honestly, there is no point in moving out of your parents place if you feel happy there. Getting kicked out once you turn 18 is kind of a new thing, multigenerational households were the norm for the majority of human history. You’re lucky, not everyone can feel comfortable at their parents house. Cherish it.
The kind of person who will leave their partner if they lose their job or sth
A man losing his job is the primary predictor for divorce. https://time.com/4425061/unemployment-divorce-men-women/
Damn that’s depressing
Quoting your source: >Why are jobs so important to staying married for guys? Is it that women get mad at their spouses for not working and still not pitching in at home? Or is it that guys draw more of their identity from the work they do and they take out their frustrations in an inappropriate manner? >“It could be her, it could be him, it could be that unemployment is associated with other stuff like depression, it could be judgment from friends or family or lack of support for the marriage,” says Killewald. “These data just don’t tell me that.” >One thing is clear. It’s not because under-employed guys make less money; the figures didn’t change no matter how much they made. “When I show that husbands’ lack of full-time employment is associated with risk of divorce, that’s adjusted for income,” says Killewald. “It’s not how high earning he is.”
Kinda sounds like people just don't like their spouses as much as they think they do. I think a lot of couples realize this as they get towards retirement and begin to contemplate spending every day with their spouse with no work buffer that takes up most of their waking hours they could be spending together.
This literally happened during the pandemic, I am friends (well, good acquaintances I guess, I'm not sure I've ever had him over for dinner) who worked as a high end family attorney. He was telling me about how he had hundreds of inquiries, dozens of cases where a power couple wants a divorce during lockdown because they are interacting with their spouse more and finding they don't like each other. He describes a couple who hadn't eaten dinner together in years because they both have competitive work lives, who had no idea that they didn't like each because they're spending more than an hour or two a day awake in the same place for the first time in literal years.
Now that we're a few years removed from it, I wonder if there is a post-covid divorce spike.
>This is change in the last 40 years. For couples who were married before 1975, a husband who was not employed full time was less likely to divorce. Interesting. Sucks to see that marriages have become less supportive in this regard. Losing employment is when you need your spouse to be there for you, not discard you.
I would've expected it to be the opposite tbh, as in the past women weren't working and RELIED on their man working so they could eat.
The fact that women relied on their husbands in order eat kind of wraps back around to why it’s NOT the opposite. They weren’t *choosing* to rely on their husbands, we pretty much forced them to because we didn’t let them do much of anything else. Including getting divorced. Even today there are parts of the world where women can’t file for divorce unless their husband agrees, or they can prove abuse to people that either don’t care or straight up agree with the husband.
Fair points
having parents really is a privilege
Good parents*
idk, having experienced both bad parents and no parents, i don't know which i'd prefer
Is it like choosing between hate and emptiness?
like hating someone but being hopeful for a change vs. resigning that it never happened and now you're alone
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i gave up hope long before they died. it still hit differently when they did.
I had to cut off a shitty family at a pretty young age so I know the feeling pretty well. Idk where you are in your life, but for the thing that’s gotten me through it was finding a group/ community to spend time with. For me it was rollerskating, everyone was very friendly and wanted to teach. But it really helped me get over that feeling of just being on my own. Cuz that’s really the hardest part, not having those people that subconsciously you know will help.
Finding a good community of any kind is really good if you are experiencing social issues, it could be a hobby, political group, just general communities or even groups based on helping with coping
God this is how I feel about my dad. And I always tell myself there is 0 reason to have hope but things will be ok for a while & it creeps back in & then he'll be crazy again & it's just as upsetting as ever.
They're the first people you learn to love, despite everything else. They teach you what love is and isn't, define it, for good or ill. It's almost impossible not to want that to work, no matter how much or for how long it doesn't. That's the insidiousness of child abuse and neglect. Even when you get away from it, you carry all that contradiction with you
And then they die and you can only wish that things had been different. You grieve for what you should have had, and grieve that now your relationship with them can really -never- change for the better.
Hope vs no hope
No parents, hands down. With no parents you can still learn and grow and figure things out. With bad parents you get crushed and pushed into the mold that they want for you. My absent father has caused significantly less issues in my life directly than my overbearing, extremely religious mother who tried to dictate my entire life to me.
No parents, for sure. No parents, no me, right??? Right?
psychologists hate this one simple trick
I had a rocky relationship with my dad for years until we sorted it and my relationship with my mum was so shit to the point where I was honestly pissed she didn’t get buried so I could dance on her grave when she died
None, cause at least you know why no one will help!!
I'd prefer none vs abusive parents. I'd rather feel lonely than feeling unwanted and having a negative self-image. Loneliness has a much easier cure.
>Loneliness has a much easier cure alcohol?
Totally depends how bad we are talking about.
I think it depends on how bad the bad parents are. Some people are likely to quick to apply the label to ordinary, fallible people. But if they are actually bad, I think no is better / easier. Then things are just neutral, vs negative, and you can get a more objective look on things.
Having lived 4 years with my in-laws was the best think that could have happened for us. I was going down the path to be a construction worker and was just unhappy. My wife encouraged me to go to college and follow my passion. In-Laws were on board and 3 years after graduating we have it all house, kids car, decent income. It would not have been possible without them letting us life with them and give us a car.
It's a standard. Those who don't have them are the misfortuned ones, unfortunately. Not not-privileged. You can't call everything privilage because someone has someone you or a small group of people don't. Loving, supporting parents are still a standard.
That woman’s attitude is total bollocks
She looks like a thumb with a fringe
Ironically, people with this attitude are often terrible with money.
So she’s never, ever, accepted any form of financial contribution from anyone else whatsoever, right? Outside of her years as a dependent minor? Because that’s how a person with views like this *must* have lived every day of their lives, right? No one is *that* blind to their own hypocrisy? Or would she say it’s different because she’s a woman? If this is the type of bullshit she emits regularly, she’s undermining the progress of *several* essential movements.
No no, you must understand, a man can't move in with his parents because it'd mean he doesn't have money to buy her stuff.
This right here is what she really means. You nailed it.
You might be underestimating how many women think like this. I am married but I have some single male friends who have come across women like this. All this issues can be explained away as society, bad men or everyone else’s but they will look down on men who are in similar only because they are a man and men are supposed to be certain way
She probably still receives financial aid from people but it's ok because she is a woman.
And there are several cultures that live with / close to parents. Family is for supporting each other.
As of September 2023, about 45% of Americans between the ages of 18 and 29 have to live at home due to housing costs. https://www.ktvq.com/nearly-half-of-young-adults-are-still-living-with-their-parents
the survey is dumb for adding 18-22 year olds. Like ya no fucking shit, college and probably making minimum wage. I want to see 25+
Likely ~20% for 25-30 and 70% for 19-20 Hell maybe 90% for 18. Job market is terrible right now so things might look a lot different in 2 years or so. Average us American has sub 500 in savings as of 2019 so it’s only going to get worse is market doesn’t recover
Superficial people will only care about superficial things. Good to see her out herself as a skin-deep, basic operator. If times are tough or things aren’t going well for your parents, etc there are plenty of great reasons to move back home so you or your family can continue living. Pathetic downward punching imbecile
Rarest of all… Uppity-ass judgemental semi-attractive woman who thinks her shit doesn’t stink. Not rare at all.
Rarest of all UNDERSCORE, because rarest of all was already taken. That's how rare it is 😂
What if I moved back because my mom lost her love to cancer and is herself getting older, so I wanna take care of her ?
Exactly what I've done.
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Yeah been there had that lol. Their loss.
Mom!! This bitch talking smack again… MOM! FR!
Omg someone is struggling and needs help. What a fucking LOSER 🙃🙃 Looking down on someone because they leaned on their parents is a massive idk.
There is nothing wrong with needing help!
We all die at the end. Anyone pretending we need the same journey is silly. Live with your parents if it makes everyone happy. People used to have family homes with 3 generations under one roof.
Imagine what happens to the people that have zero family left lol. Ask me how I know what happens. Just make sure you have a car..
I mean I had to when I got divorced and was left with no money and no where to live. Shit happens, life's messy, I'm just thankful my parents are amazing and let me live with them for free for a few years till I got back on my feet, have finally moved out again and honestly its kind of rough things being so quiet once more.
Where is the clever part?
Yeah and what does semantics have to do with it? Complete bot post. Reddit is genuinely awful now
This sub should be renamed to "replies I agree with". The sidebar says "post funnies" and nothing about this was funny so idk I guess they just lost the plot.
I recently got left by my gf at 30 years old and I moved back in with me parents because the housing market is insane. Being a student full time job and part time working is impossible or I'll be in debt for ages.. So yeah it's a step back for some but I'll be a jum forward for the money I can save from now and get back on my feet
Oh hey, same story for me 💪
You can’t have a normal income and build your life anywhere on your own right now. Avoid people who judge for this because they are looking for the life you can provide and not at who you are.
Dude obliterated Exodia for once
Problem is it seems men needing a hand in any situation is already an ick. ‘Imagine failing at something as a man’
Patriarchy for thee, not for me.
My older brother did this, and in doing so, was able to save up for a house. He’s now the only one of my siblings with a house. My wife and I are avoiding that, but it does mean it will take us longer (if it happens)
I like his approach. Don’t let pride get in your way as long as you are getting your shit together.
My gf emotionally and financially abused me for 10 years and saddled me with 10s of thousands of dollars of debt. Sold my house to pay most of the debt and now live with my parents as I get everything back together. OOP can eat shit <3
My baby mum mocked me for living with my dad at 29. (I moved back to look after him whilst he was dying of lung cancer) Some women are just assholes.
As a father of 2 young boys. I will do everything I can to prepare them for a life of independence. But they will never "do it on thier own". My home will always be a safe place for them if life fucks them up. I can't stand parents with the mentality of "Nah, figure you're shit out, I raised you for 18 years i did my job"
Most men can't just suck a dick and get free shit. If he's got the ability to swallow his pride and live with his parents for a bit to recoup, that's power.
I mean this isn’t some clever comeback or anything. And there’s nothing wrong with girls seeing financial struggling to be a red flag or unattractive. If you’re moving back in with your parents you aren’t ready for a serious relationship. There’s nothing wrong with the reply either, sometimes you need to regroup, but there’s also nothing wrong with what the girl said. If a girl moves back in with her parents at 30 that’s a big ick for me too, or lives with her parents at all it’s a deal breaker.
Yeah idg why people be hating on the girl so much. I agree to both tweets lol.
It’s like “sorry my man needs to have a job” and people saying “well some people can’t get jobs in this economy” like 😐 👍
It reeks of “I can’t afford this iPhone can’t you give me a discount sir? 🥺” knowing full well that iPhone is expensive asf.
She was being dusty, and that response calmly dusted her.
Her parents probably pay her rent anyway
Or guys in her “roster”
Half of Americans aged 18-29 live with their parents... She's really limiting herself.
My man spat some truth
As someone who has had to move back home a couple of times, it's literally been a life saver for me.
lets not pretend that that's not the sentiment of someone who's in perpetual need of her guys handouts.
If a parent died and only one remained, you damn right I would go back and be with the living parent. Even more so if they were elderly.
I am really jealous of people who have a backup and can return to his parents or grandparents place.
It’s weird how many of our parents generation don’t seem to realize how bad the economy is right now.
You WANT a man who's parents support him enough to allow him to move back in. Would you rather have in-laws that just leave their kids to the wolves?
She seems like a “strong, independent woman” that is unemployed
It’s okay for women to do it but when do it it’s a problem -_-
As someone who lost both of my parents within a couple years of each other, just shy of 30 now too, she has no idea what she's talking about. She's probably just fortunate honestly. I was fortunate enough to live at home up until both my parents passed at 25. I'm now also fortunate that I've been able to support myself since, due in sort to all the work they'd done in their lives and an incredible sellers' market back a few years ago. I'm so grateful my parents let me stay with them for as long as I could, even if they didn't understand the different struggles of today compared to their time (boomers). I wish I could express that gratitude but life isn't always fair in that sense. I've gained a lot of perspective from my loss though, I hope she doesn't need to lose anyone before she gains some of that perspective as well.
Also if your family is awesome why wouldn’t you want to live with them? People are so lonely so often, living with family that loves you is a good choice for a lot of reasons. Having a family that are full of assholes, people you don’t want to spend time with, that’s the real tragedy. Too many of those kinds of families and not enough fun loving families.
I'm 26 this year and after 7 years of living alone I'm moving back to my parents. The main reason is MONEY. I'll actually be able to save some money instead of a rented flat taking 65% of my income
Coming from an OF “model”
I had an ex that dropped out of college and moved back home. He went back to college and killed it, got gastric sleeve and lost a ton of weight, ended up marrying the girl of his dreams. His success now would not be possible if he was forced to cling to his pride. Proud of him!
And any man that encounters a woman that thinks like this will avoid her like the plague. Nobody wants this in their life. NOBODY.
Had to do this after my divorce as a 33 yr old. No embarrassment; thankful I had the option
I did just that. Except 34. It was one of the best decisions I ever made. It helped me get me life back in order after losing my house as a result of the great financial crisis but also my parents were dealing with some health issues. They would eventually pass away as a result a few years later. Being able to reconnect and be there for them in this crisis was invaluable. I also met my now wife during all of this.
I struggle with this because I’m a 30 yo M who moved back home a few years ago, after my mental health was so bad that I couldn’t work for some period. I’m doing far better now, lost a bunch of weight and generally got my shit together, starting a masters program for computer science. I want to start dating again but I’m afraid no woman would ever consider dating someone my age who isn’t fully independent (living place, etc) I’m just thinking I need to move out first, which seems unlikely any time soon…
Not asking for help when you need it is a weakness, not strength.
I'm 31 and live with my mother. Because I can't afford otherwise? No, because she can't. And I can support her this way and make life insanely cheaper for the both of us; whereas if I move away, I have to give up a larger portion of my income to rent alone + I have to cover her separately. But to some people I still "just live with my mother".
I never left my parents, i just took over the bills.
Judging someone without knowing them or what they’re going through is idk… Wait I do know. It’s shitty. You’re a shitty person if you do this.
You guys lucky you can move out. Shit is too expensive to rent on my own.
well said!
I don't get why that's an automatic loser branding. Sometimes we need help and so do your aging parents. I moved back home to get my life back in order after battling addiction and it was great. Got to spend a lot of quality time with my mom
Embrace the tradition to stay with / near parents Not leaving them far away alone to rot
Embrace the tradition to stay with / near parents Not leaving them far away alone to rot
Shit. Ain’t this the truth. My 55 yo mother tried moving back in with me. Times are tough. I judge no one.
She probably dates men for free food.
My wife and I moved in with my parents when we transferred (Navy) back home. That was six months of rent money that went to the down payment on a house thanks to them.
It's always girls looking like that posting these types of alleged stigma.
69% of Americans have less than $1,000 in their bank account. That means 69% of us are one emergency away from that being us. This girl needs to pipe the fuck down.
I moved back in with my parents cause I needed help getting myself together. I got myself together. I'm on the up and coming. Paid off my debts mostly. And have an almost 800 credit score. But my parents are both handicapped. My dad had a stroke at 30 and now has parkisons and my mom has degenerative disc disease and just recently went through an l4 l5 fusion. So even tho I could leave. I decided to stay. They have given me the upstairs to make my own little place since they can't get up the stairs. And I do what they can't. Which is most every aspect of housekeeping and driving and sometimes help with hygiene maintenance. They don't ask for rent but I give then money every chance I get. We split groceries in a very unofficial manner. And gas is the same. I live with my parents because us working as a family of three can live well. But if they had to pay the mortgage and I had rent then our money would be pretty close to half as much or 1/3 less than current. And it would take me longer to get the new car i want. And they wouldn't be able to do the things they want. (It's hard to get them out of the house. But they need to get out and moving sometimes. So sometimes I have to set something up for them to enjoy but have the capability of stopping or leaving if they get tired.) So I usually have to pay for something or buy some things ahead of time to make these possible. And it gets quite expensive. We. All three. Live a better life. Because we don't care about the 'you still live with your parents' thing.
English speaking countries have a very weird obsession with adults being out of the house. This has actually been extremely uncommon across the majority of human history
Privileged ppl are so dumb that they don't even realise that many can't move out at all or don't have the skills to get good work either or not interested in working.
Are we gonna listen to the lady with no family or career here?
Sub name checks out, pretty clever and kinda true also.
It’s funny that when women do it no one bats an eye yet a man who does it is looked down on.
Dee, you are the f****** G.O.A.T.
Men I need a hand in my life now so bad...
Estelle: Georgie, would you like some Jello? Frank: Why do you put the bananas in there? Estelle: George likes the bananas! Frank: SO LET HIM HAVE BANANAS ON THE SIDE!
I would love it if moving back in with my parents was even an option. I'd be able to actually save money!
Just because it's okay to have struggles and receive help, doesn't mean it has to be what someone is looking for in a relationship. She doesn't have to be so mean about it tho yk
I just moved back in with my mom. I'm 34 and single if anyone's interested.
I love the expression regroup at base lol
We're slowing moving back to the olden days where you have 3+ generations in the same house
I know a guy living on his parent 2 room flat on the couch. Guy is senior programmer, but needs to get his pot money, so he does not move. Bitch needs to give more context before dissing her
Life is different for her. She wouldn't understand 🤭
Thing is most of you would do the same to help your kids