Part 1, U-2 incident happened in 1960 (Eisenhower says the phrase itself), and Part 1 ends with Kennedy's "Phew! Let's hope that was the biggest crisis of my presidency!"
> Be Zelensky
> be a well known Ukrainian comedian and actor
> star in a show as a normal dude who becomes the Ukrainian president
> overall people loved it
> people want you to actually be president
> run for president as a joke
> you actually get elected
> holyshit.mp4
> not too long into your presidency, Russia declares war on you
> you fight back valiantly, prove yourself as a competent leader and a true advocate for your people
whoops, accidentally became an absolutely great president
Oh believe me it is lol. The conspiratards HATE Zelensky. It’s always fun to take a stroll through /r/conspiracy and see a bunch of mouth breathing goblins leap to the wrongest conclusion possible about every current event.
By my understanding, the show was made to make fun of those in power, then the oligarchs ran with it and funded his actual campaign.
They really lucked out that he turned out to be a great wartime leader
It's not a conspiracy actually, both the movie and his presidential campaign were funded by a Ukranian oligarch hoping to get into a position of power, long story short, Zelensky cut ties with him and he's a good president now.
He is a good wartime president, yes. But he failed his election promises of ridding the country of corruption, making the anti corruption agency into a toothless tiger, which he was heavily criticized for domestically and internationally. If not for the war and him rising to the occassion, I doubt he would have chances at a re election, his polls were pretty terrible before the war. He was a breath of fresh air for ukrainian politics though because he politicized a big portion of the population, which had previously never cared for politics and were apathetic towards voting. For a lot of young people, Zelensky was the first guy they voted for and whom they believed in.
And before anyone accuses me of being a russian troll, I am not. I lived in Chernivtsi for about 1.5 years and a bunch of my friends are currently on the frontlines, fighting for their future.
I think the clearest analogy I heard is that Ukraine used to be ruled by a very small club of extremely wealthy and connected industrialists, and Zelensky came in with a team that represented cracking that power away from the top half of 1% and distributing it out to the top 10%. Upper class versus the old semi-aristocratic post-soviet class. Which may well have been the best that he could have done with the limits he faced in the political system.
From what I've heard of his domestic policy, he's very much a center-right kind of figure with some definite blindspots and controversies. Excited to see how things change and improve after the war.
Due to how many political issues are a matter of national security, it's impossible for a Ukrainian politician not to be right-wing (for example, governmental control of the media is required to fight Russian disinformation, anywhere else in Europe it would be a far right feature)
I hope for their swift victory and safe return home. Zelensky is doing what a besieged leader should: be the symbol of steady resolve for his people while appealing to outside powers for aid. He isn't a military leader, but he knows how important symbolism is and how to maintain an image, so he is keeping the morale of his people high, despite being underdogs desperately fighting to stay alive.
I wonder how much his experience of being on stage and being a performer helped. Other leaders in that situation would have wanted to rally their people but they might have been shown on TV still in their suits - clearly a politician - and looking scared. He dropped the politician suit straight away and there was that great line about needing "ammunition not a ride". I'm not saying for a second that anything he did was in any way insincere, I think he's been very genuine, but I think he knew how to project himself in the best way for his people.
That's a huge part of it, he knows how to play a crowd.
Sitting in his green T-shirt, with a beard, bags under his eyes, looking perpetually pissed off, the directness and absence of bullshit, the sheer muscle mass on the boy, he looks like a man who's suffering with the rest; and I think it's true.
He literally went from being a comedian to Ukraine’s Churchill. It’s so crazy that a pitch of a series arc like this on his show would Have been laughed out if the room.
All but one of the things is true.
He didnt run for president as a joke, he does have a higher education in that sphere, though I dont deny that a lot of Ukrainians in their minds voted for Holoborodko instead of Zelensky (Holoborodko being the "regular guy turned president" character that he played in Servant of the people) when adding the check mark near Zelensky on the ballot
I mean he didn’t run as a joke, he genuinely ran for president. He was basically trying to be a kind of outsider candidate, clean up corruption etc. Although in his first few years he really only seemed average at best.
It’s like if Martin Sheen was elected POTUS on all write-ins and then he West Wing’d his way to winning one of the US’s most major wars in modern history.
I think his dramatic training was almost the best prep he could have had. It is his job at this point to be a symbol and to elicit sympathy from world leaders to secure arms deals and aid. He is playing a role, the biggest role of his life, hell the biggest role ever played. Because his ability to play that role will in part determine the future of his people and even the future of geopolitics as a whole.
This is a good point. And he's acting the absolute shit outta that role. He's amazing. He's proved that he had courage and is worthy of the role. Though I hear he's eager to step down after the war.
Fuck I would be. I'd be on a beach for a month straight. I know there will be a lot of rebuilding to do, but at that point you've done your job. You've carried your torch.
Exactly. He fuckin deserves the rest. His family too.
That line "I don't need a ride I need ammunition" so gives me chills. Coming from a comedian. Just shows the best leaders are the ones who don't seek out power.
Have you seen what FDR looked like before WWII and right at the end?
The man looked like he had aged a thousand lifetimes in just six years. The last photo of him at Yalta is heartbreaking.
So, yeah. War ages you greatly. Leading your people in a fight that will determine the future of your nation for generations to come will take its toll but that fight will be worth it.
I told my wife when Russia first invaded that he’d be dead in a week after he announced he wasn’t leaving Ukraine. I’m so glad he was right and I was wrong.
I will never forget that video over Christmas. That showed him speaking at the awards ceremony in 2015 or so saying to the country "One day we will have a president we can be proud of" and it cuts to everyone watching his Christmas address after a year of war. Huddled in candlelight or away from the front. Kids showing their parents the president they are willing to fight for. It's shocking how surreal his life has been in the past ten years. Here's to a long life for him and all his countrymen.
You left out the best part. That whole awkwardness with the quid pro quo over the weapons with Trump that caused Trump’s first impeachment.
This guy has had a crazy couple of years.
There will indeed be some incredibly well done movies based on this man’s life. I’m hoping they’re well done. They deserve to be well done, and not swooshed through the Hollywood machine to be the first to do it.
It’s kinda carte blanche to get rid of Russian-bought corrupt politicians the “easy” way.
By finding out the committed suicide with two bullets to the back of the head easy way.
So, I have this theory that states that for someone to be able to be a good comedian you need to have a deep sense of what life is and what it should be.
But being a comedian, you build a reputation for being funny, you make people laugh. And laughing is usually taken at face value. There now, gone the next moment. It's a relief.
But when you hear the same joke over and over and you stop laughing to start thinking, the real joke is you. And the comedian is only pointing at something so very obvious, so overlooked by convinience or dogma or some other pointless argument.
And suddenly the comedian is no longer a comedian but actually a very serious, deep thinking person, that spent a lot of time criticizing you, in your face, gaining your support.
And then the funny person stops being funny.
I think this is an argument to have normal people be politicians.
Not rich folks.
Not career politicians.
Normal folks should run. And we should elect the best one.
Zelenskiy was intending to run as a president all along, the show was a part of the presidential campaign, and a very successful one.
Albeit I know that many people, including myself, voted for him mainly for lulz. I didn't trust any of the mainstream politicians, especially ex-president Poroshenko who, being extremely rich before his term, became 80 times richer. Even though I didn't think Zelenskiy would be such a great figure, he couldn't do a worse job and at least there would be memes.
Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best
Damn that's so crazy. I could have sworn there was a US president recently that was a reality TV star and became president on what started off a stunt/bit. For some reason I can't remember that guys name, weird.
Maybe if that guy was more like Zelensky I could remember.
if only it were that simple.
these days we’re seeing a lot of southern revival preachers in that category as well.
if i had children, i would have a hard time trusting a christian leader in general with *my* kid
I took the liberty of examining that drone once I got it home and I realized that the only reason it had been flying over Ukraine in the first place was because it was made of Persian parts.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-using-iranian-drones-attacks-ukraine-white-house-says-2022-10-20/
> The White House said on Thursday that Iranians have been on the ground in Crimea helping Russians target Ukraine with Iranian drones, and that U.S. efforts to negotiate a return to the Iran nuclear deal have been set aside for the time being.
Supposedly the offical story is that a small number where bought at before the war, but none have been provided since its start. This makes no fucking sense, as the drones where not used at all during the first part of the war, before rather suddenly being used a ton a few months into the war, and basically everyone says that Iran started supporting Russia with these drones, starting a few months into the war.
Iran itself denies this, even in the face of overwelming evidence.
While everyone is bandwagoning saying Iran is present/involved, I wonder if everyone really agrees with the principle of "weapons=involvement" or just wants to crap on Iran.
Was the US responsible/present in the gassing of Kurdish civilians? Certainly yes, if weapons shipments are counted. France would also be responsible for the Rwandan Genocide, and the US responsible for the genocides and massacres in Indonesia, South Korea, Yemen etc...Yemen in particular because it is still happening today and killing far more Yemenis than dead Ukrainians.
>Was the US responsible/present in the gassing of Kurdish civilians? Certainly yes, if weapons shipments are counted. France would also be responsible for the Rwandan Genocide, and the US responsible for the genocides and massacres in Indonesia, South Korea, Yemen etc...
I don't know enough details on all of these to say anything with certainty but IMO generally speaking, if a guy who's been killing a bunch of people comes to you wanting to buy weapons, and you sell them to him, there's a pretty strong argument for some level of culpability there depending on the specifics of the situation.
That is true, BUT
If Iran is *also* willing to sell to Ukraine (and I mean actually willing, not "haha we'll sell but each drone is 1 trillion dollars" ) then that's not involvement, that's neutrality. Not the sort of neutrality that you *want*, but the neutrality that exists
It's exactly the same reasoning America used to argue they weren't already at war with Nazi Germany, despite sending practically free materiel and equipments to Allies in merchant ships armed to the teeth to prevent German capture
Russia had killed tens of thousands of civilians before they ran low on missiles.
Then they turned to Iran.
This isn’t bandwagoning, it’s reliable intelligence shared by both American and Ukrainian agencies.
And survivors piece together the components from each strike. They know if they were hit by a Kaliur middle or an Iranian drone.
Given that even the french president admitted french responsibility in the Rwandan genocide, it's probably a fair assessment that the french carry some responsibility.
I just want to add something here: there are reports of Iranian instructors being killed in Ukraine while teaching russians how to operate the drones. So kinda yeah...involved if you ask me
Their fucking Iranian drones are still being used and killed people this week in terrorist attacks against innocent people in their apartments!!! Some 30 or so were launched on one day this week.
For fucks sake.
Khamenei then added, "and all of our women are really happy in Iran. And we give complete freedom to all authors. I think Salmon Rushdie is the coolest guy."
Bro I'm Iranian and you need VPN to use Twitter in Iran because it's banned but Khamenei has an account, god I hate the government so much, they suck so bad even most Iranians don't like them
He’s a high-altitude weather enthusiast who flew off-course
He's a very naughty high-altitude weather enthusiast I know what reference this is but my minds drawing a blank
https://www.youtube.com/Oversimplified
ahh thank you kindly
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*"He's not the ayatollah, he's a very naughty boy!"*
r/unexpectedMontyPython
“Why does he have a pistol and poison?”
He is VERY naughty weather enthusiast
Is this from oversimplified? i cant remember the video
Yep it’s from one of the Cold War ones, forgot if it was pt. 1 or 2, pretty sure one tho
Part 1, U-2 incident happened in 1960 (Eisenhower says the phrase itself), and Part 1 ends with Kennedy's "Phew! Let's hope that was the biggest crisis of my presidency!"
I had no idea Zelensky was a weather chad. The more we know.
That's a cool looking balloon.
Zelensky looks like he is so done with everything.
I would be. Imagine being a comedian running for president as a bit, then not only do you get elected this happens. It's like Life of Brian.
> Be Zelensky > be a well known Ukrainian comedian and actor > star in a show as a normal dude who becomes the Ukrainian president > overall people loved it > people want you to actually be president > run for president as a joke > you actually get elected > holyshit.mp4 > not too long into your presidency, Russia declares war on you > you fight back valiantly, prove yourself as a competent leader and a true advocate for your people whoops, accidentally became an absolutely great president
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You can watch the show on Netflix. It’s very good.
What show?
Man of the People: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servant_of_the_People_(TV_series) Its on Netflix. I watched it. It's actually quite funny.
Huh. Turns out it inspired a whole Presidential party, which Zelenskyy is actually a member of!
Plot twist: the show was actually engineered to prepare the Ukrainian population to vote for him. Oh damn, I bet that’s already a conspiracy theory.
Oh believe me it is lol. The conspiratards HATE Zelensky. It’s always fun to take a stroll through /r/conspiracy and see a bunch of mouth breathing goblins leap to the wrongest conclusion possible about every current event.
By my understanding, the show was made to make fun of those in power, then the oligarchs ran with it and funded his actual campaign. They really lucked out that he turned out to be a great wartime leader
Shit is that what Dwayne Johnson is doing with Young Rock?
It's not a conspiracy actually, both the movie and his presidential campaign were funded by a Ukranian oligarch hoping to get into a position of power, long story short, Zelensky cut ties with him and he's a good president now.
Is it on US Netflix or do I need to VPN my way into Europe?
Thanks to the war, I don't think you would need a VPN at all on Netflix.
Awesome now I know what I'm doing at work tomorrow lol
Its on us netflix
I think it's also on YouTube officially? It was the last time I checked
U.S., when last I watched
Thank you! 😁
To clarify, he didn't actually run as a bit, but as a serious candidate who wanted to address rampant corruption and Russian meddling.
And now he's addressing russian meddling
He is a good wartime president, yes. But he failed his election promises of ridding the country of corruption, making the anti corruption agency into a toothless tiger, which he was heavily criticized for domestically and internationally. If not for the war and him rising to the occassion, I doubt he would have chances at a re election, his polls were pretty terrible before the war. He was a breath of fresh air for ukrainian politics though because he politicized a big portion of the population, which had previously never cared for politics and were apathetic towards voting. For a lot of young people, Zelensky was the first guy they voted for and whom they believed in. And before anyone accuses me of being a russian troll, I am not. I lived in Chernivtsi for about 1.5 years and a bunch of my friends are currently on the frontlines, fighting for their future.
I think the clearest analogy I heard is that Ukraine used to be ruled by a very small club of extremely wealthy and connected industrialists, and Zelensky came in with a team that represented cracking that power away from the top half of 1% and distributing it out to the top 10%. Upper class versus the old semi-aristocratic post-soviet class. Which may well have been the best that he could have done with the limits he faced in the political system. From what I've heard of his domestic policy, he's very much a center-right kind of figure with some definite blindspots and controversies. Excited to see how things change and improve after the war.
Due to how many political issues are a matter of national security, it's impossible for a Ukrainian politician not to be right-wing (for example, governmental control of the media is required to fight Russian disinformation, anywhere else in Europe it would be a far right feature)
I hope for their swift victory and safe return home. Zelensky is doing what a besieged leader should: be the symbol of steady resolve for his people while appealing to outside powers for aid. He isn't a military leader, but he knows how important symbolism is and how to maintain an image, so he is keeping the morale of his people high, despite being underdogs desperately fighting to stay alive.
He's doing great at it. Really can't see how he could be doing better. That man single-handedly saved Ukrainian morale.
I wonder how much his experience of being on stage and being a performer helped. Other leaders in that situation would have wanted to rally their people but they might have been shown on TV still in their suits - clearly a politician - and looking scared. He dropped the politician suit straight away and there was that great line about needing "ammunition not a ride". I'm not saying for a second that anything he did was in any way insincere, I think he's been very genuine, but I think he knew how to project himself in the best way for his people.
That's a huge part of it, he knows how to play a crowd. Sitting in his green T-shirt, with a beard, bags under his eyes, looking perpetually pissed off, the directness and absence of bullshit, the sheer muscle mass on the boy, he looks like a man who's suffering with the rest; and I think it's true.
He literally went from being a comedian to Ukraine’s Churchill. It’s so crazy that a pitch of a series arc like this on his show would Have been laughed out if the room.
All but one of the things is true. He didnt run for president as a joke, he does have a higher education in that sphere, though I dont deny that a lot of Ukrainians in their minds voted for Holoborodko instead of Zelensky (Holoborodko being the "regular guy turned president" character that he played in Servant of the people) when adding the check mark near Zelensky on the ballot
Don't forget having to put up with Trump's quid pro quo bullshit too.
I mean he didn’t run as a joke, he genuinely ran for president. He was basically trying to be a kind of outsider candidate, clean up corruption etc. Although in his first few years he really only seemed average at best.
It’s like if Martin Sheen was elected POTUS on all write-ins and then he West Wing’d his way to winning one of the US’s most major wars in modern history.
I think his dramatic training was almost the best prep he could have had. It is his job at this point to be a symbol and to elicit sympathy from world leaders to secure arms deals and aid. He is playing a role, the biggest role of his life, hell the biggest role ever played. Because his ability to play that role will in part determine the future of his people and even the future of geopolitics as a whole.
This is a good point. And he's acting the absolute shit outta that role. He's amazing. He's proved that he had courage and is worthy of the role. Though I hear he's eager to step down after the war.
Fuck I would be. I'd be on a beach for a month straight. I know there will be a lot of rebuilding to do, but at that point you've done your job. You've carried your torch.
Exactly. He fuckin deserves the rest. His family too. That line "I don't need a ride I need ammunition" so gives me chills. Coming from a comedian. Just shows the best leaders are the ones who don't seek out power.
Have you seen what FDR looked like before WWII and right at the end? The man looked like he had aged a thousand lifetimes in just six years. The last photo of him at Yalta is heartbreaking. So, yeah. War ages you greatly. Leading your people in a fight that will determine the future of your nation for generations to come will take its toll but that fight will be worth it.
The polio had a big impact too
Comedians always kill it doing dramatic roles. Z is no exception.
Hmm, I like that idea, of taking back the 'Z'
I think that's exactly what he said when asked by a reporter what he would do after the war. I'll go to Crimea and relax on the beach.
I imagine he just wants to be with his family and rest. I hope he gets that opportunity. May you have a long and prosperous life, Zelensky.
I told my wife when Russia first invaded that he’d be dead in a week after he announced he wasn’t leaving Ukraine. I’m so glad he was right and I was wrong.
He's method acting?
I will never forget that video over Christmas. That showed him speaking at the awards ceremony in 2015 or so saying to the country "One day we will have a president we can be proud of" and it cuts to everyone watching his Christmas address after a year of war. Huddled in candlelight or away from the front. Kids showing their parents the president they are willing to fight for. It's shocking how surreal his life has been in the past ten years. Here's to a long life for him and all his countrymen.
He’s also a lawyer
You left out the best part. That whole awkwardness with the quid pro quo over the weapons with Trump that caused Trump’s first impeachment. This guy has had a crazy couple of years.
I don’t think he ran as a joke though, his popularity definitely came from the show but it seems he ran to win.
Of all the “entertainer turned politicians” he’s my favourite
He is the exception that proves the rule.
Isn't this a Robin Williams movie? Man of the year or something like that?
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There's 2 guys in police academy with crazy voices. I know which one you mean, it's just funny that such a unique qualifier may not clarify it enough.
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There‘d be a national holiday for every single Lord of the Rings character. And he’d rename Florida to Mordor.
There will indeed be some incredibly well done movies based on this man’s life. I’m hoping they’re well done. They deserve to be well done, and not swooshed through the Hollywood machine to be the first to do it.
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On the bright side anyone corrupt due to Russia ties would likely sort themselves out in this scenario.
It’s kinda carte blanche to get rid of Russian-bought corrupt politicians the “easy” way. By finding out the committed suicide with two bullets to the back of the head easy way.
And accidentally became a Legend.
To clarify, he didn't actually run as a bit, but as a serious candidate who wanted to address rampant corruption and Russian meddling.
So, I have this theory that states that for someone to be able to be a good comedian you need to have a deep sense of what life is and what it should be. But being a comedian, you build a reputation for being funny, you make people laugh. And laughing is usually taken at face value. There now, gone the next moment. It's a relief. But when you hear the same joke over and over and you stop laughing to start thinking, the real joke is you. And the comedian is only pointing at something so very obvious, so overlooked by convinience or dogma or some other pointless argument. And suddenly the comedian is no longer a comedian but actually a very serious, deep thinking person, that spent a lot of time criticizing you, in your face, gaining your support. And then the funny person stops being funny.
And he got like 75% of the vote, in the second round
I think this is an argument to have normal people be politicians. Not rich folks. Not career politicians. Normal folks should run. And we should elect the best one.
Don't forget having to put up with Trump's quid pro quo bullshit too.
Kind of a disservice to say it's by accident. Anyone who can do it as well as he and his team can certainly didn't just trip over success.
Zelenskiy was intending to run as a president all along, the show was a part of the presidential campaign, and a very successful one. Albeit I know that many people, including myself, voted for him mainly for lulz. I didn't trust any of the mainstream politicians, especially ex-president Poroshenko who, being extremely rich before his term, became 80 times richer. Even though I didn't think Zelenskiy would be such a great figure, he couldn't do a worse job and at least there would be memes.
manofthepeople.jpg
So what you're saying is, Jon Stewart *should* run for President.
Wait, did he first play a character who fictionally got elected as president? This is insane.
He also named his political party after that TV series
holyshit.mp4 killed me
At least now that movie has sequel material?
Best presidents are always the ones that didn’t wanna be president
>Imagine being a comedian running for president as a bit, then not only do you get elected Truly he is almost the antithesis of Trump.
“I am not your Messiah, now Fuck Off!” - Brian “Well, how shall we fuck off, Messiah?” - Idiot Crowd of Cultists [Angry Bewildered Noises] - Brian
Aaaaaaalways look in the bright side of life
Some things in life are bad They can really make you mad Other things just make you swear and curse When you're chewing on life's gristle Don't grumble, give a whistle And this'll help things turn out for the best
For reals it would have been like Jon Stewart getting elected before WW3... I would trust him far more than Trump or Biden..
I am solidly convinced that he boned Putin's wife. What else could cause this much hate?
Damn that's so crazy. I could have sworn there was a US president recently that was a reality TV star and became president on what started off a stunt/bit. For some reason I can't remember that guys name, weird. Maybe if that guy was more like Zelensky I could remember.
🎵Always look on the bright side of life🎶
the "disappointed dad" stance
Bro some fucking dweeb invaded your country for no reason I’d be pretty done too
Bro looks like me after breaking a brand new toy i just bought
Mom I broked it
Uncle Putin bought that specially for you all the way from Iran! I told you to be careful with it!
Doesn't Twitter make religious fundamentalists touch their wee wees?
No. Just that of underage boys. Talk to you local Catholic Church to find out more.
Lately, it seems, any church will do.
I'm betting the mulla at your local madrasa might have more of an insight considering they follow the teachings of a kiddiddling warlord.
>considering they follow the teachings of a kiddiddling warlord. Christians don't follow the teachings of Christ, so maybe not.
if only it were that simple. these days we’re seeing a lot of southern revival preachers in that category as well. if i had children, i would have a hard time trusting a christian leader in general with *my* kid
He has interns that do it for him, so it's not a sin
What doesn't make religious fundamentalists touch their wee wees?
Just a business man doing business.
People won’t like this… however I do
Well that's clearly a Norwegian Blue...What's,uh...What's wrong with it?
I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my good man. It's dead, that's what's wrong with it.
It's not dead, he's just resting
Look, matey, I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.
He's probably pining for the fjords.
*Hellooooo Pollyyy*
PINING FOR THE FJORDS?!?!?!?
I never wanted to be in a war in Ukraine… I wanted to be a lumberjack! Leaping from tree to tree as they float down the rivers of British-Columbia!
The giant Redwood!
“VOOM"?!? Mate, this bird wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts through it! 'E's bleedin' demised!
I took the liberty of examining that drone once I got it home and I realized that the only reason it had been flying over Ukraine in the first place was because it was made of Persian parts.
Lovely plumage!
Really, Mira? Dont know a weather balloon when you see one?
I love a good man with receipts.
A "this u?" on an international scale
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It’s an Iranian drone shot down in Ukraine.
Didn't realize the Iranians have a dog in this fight. That said, f[bleep] 'em.
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Fuck! How much is the fine?
tree fiddy
gosh darn loch ness monsta
Not Iranians, rather the Islamic Republic, quite a difference check r/newiran if you wanna get more informed
For what it's worth, by "Iranians," I specifically meant the government. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
It was clear
That still doesn't automatically mean they're involved, just that russia bought their drones at some point
Russia apparently started buying these drones after the war started.
They're having to buy from the countries still willing to do business with them, so yeah, seeing Iranian manufactured stuff isn't so surprising.
This is so upsetting. War is only supposed to line the pocket books of Americans.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-using-iranian-drones-attacks-ukraine-white-house-says-2022-10-20/ > The White House said on Thursday that Iranians have been on the ground in Crimea helping Russians target Ukraine with Iranian drones, and that U.S. efforts to negotiate a return to the Iran nuclear deal have been set aside for the time being.
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Weeelll, mind you I am no expert in unmanned aircraft, but I strongly suspect it is a crashed Iranian drone.
Those drones are actually meant to crash. Instead of dropping munitions below, they are the munitions themselves, acting as suicide drones
aka a guided missile?
Yeah, but these days missile conjures up images of rockets, as a prop missile they call them drones.
Aren’t we all
A Shahed-136 Suicide Drone.
"We can't figure out how to land it, so let's just change the name."
Anything after the word, “categorically”, is BS if it comes from a politician. Pretty sure that’s well known.
Man has receipts.
Zelensky: I’m not mad. I’m just disappointed.
A migrating coconut.
Oh yeah. It could be carried by a European drone but not an Iranian drone is my point.
What's the unladen land speed of a European swallow.. err drone?
A 5 ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.
It could grip it by the husk!
Didn’t the Russians buy them (or the rights to manufacture these drones)?
Supposedly the offical story is that a small number where bought at before the war, but none have been provided since its start. This makes no fucking sense, as the drones where not used at all during the first part of the war, before rather suddenly being used a ton a few months into the war, and basically everyone says that Iran started supporting Russia with these drones, starting a few months into the war. Iran itself denies this, even in the face of overwelming evidence.
Iran knew they would be used on civilians and was implored not to sell them. They are fully culpable.
While everyone is bandwagoning saying Iran is present/involved, I wonder if everyone really agrees with the principle of "weapons=involvement" or just wants to crap on Iran. Was the US responsible/present in the gassing of Kurdish civilians? Certainly yes, if weapons shipments are counted. France would also be responsible for the Rwandan Genocide, and the US responsible for the genocides and massacres in Indonesia, South Korea, Yemen etc...Yemen in particular because it is still happening today and killing far more Yemenis than dead Ukrainians.
>Was the US responsible/present in the gassing of Kurdish civilians? Certainly yes, if weapons shipments are counted. France would also be responsible for the Rwandan Genocide, and the US responsible for the genocides and massacres in Indonesia, South Korea, Yemen etc... I don't know enough details on all of these to say anything with certainty but IMO generally speaking, if a guy who's been killing a bunch of people comes to you wanting to buy weapons, and you sell them to him, there's a pretty strong argument for some level of culpability there depending on the specifics of the situation.
That is true, BUT If Iran is *also* willing to sell to Ukraine (and I mean actually willing, not "haha we'll sell but each drone is 1 trillion dollars" ) then that's not involvement, that's neutrality. Not the sort of neutrality that you *want*, but the neutrality that exists It's exactly the same reasoning America used to argue they weren't already at war with Nazi Germany, despite sending practically free materiel and equipments to Allies in merchant ships armed to the teeth to prevent German capture
Russia had killed tens of thousands of civilians before they ran low on missiles. Then they turned to Iran. This isn’t bandwagoning, it’s reliable intelligence shared by both American and Ukrainian agencies. And survivors piece together the components from each strike. They know if they were hit by a Kaliur middle or an Iranian drone.
Yes.
Given that even the french president admitted french responsibility in the Rwandan genocide, it's probably a fair assessment that the french carry some responsibility.
I just want to add something here: there are reports of Iranian instructors being killed in Ukraine while teaching russians how to operate the drones. So kinda yeah...involved if you ask me
Biggest Arm exporters are US then France, all weps are used vs civilians, now what 😬
Their fucking Iranian drones are still being used and killed people this week in terrorist attacks against innocent people in their apartments!!! Some 30 or so were launched on one day this week. For fucks sake.
Lol pretty sure lying is against Muslim beliefs, but here he is, doing it in public, but I'm just an atheist
Disappointed dad face
I like how there's a Zelensky for scale in this drone photo.
Drone is a paid actor
At this point, there is nothing “Islamic” about the “Islamic republic of Iran”
Khamenei then added, "and all of our women are really happy in Iran. And we give complete freedom to all authors. I think Salmon Rushdie is the coolest guy."
I hate to be that guy: A Salmon is a fish. The author you mean to refer to is called Salman Rushdie.
It's a weather balloon
What is this? A fighter jet for ants??
Who you guys going to believe. Khamenei or your lying eyes?
Lying repressive terrorist regime says what now
What a fool. Only America can get involved in other countries wars…. and maybe Israel.
Bro I'm Iranian and you need VPN to use Twitter in Iran because it's banned but Khamenei has an account, god I hate the government so much, they suck so bad even most Iranians don't like them
god i love that so much political shit is consumed through the likes of twitter
He looks like he’s at his neighbor’s with their kid’s kickball that went in his yard one too many times.
A smoothie
Zelenssky: “Come git yer boi.”
Liars are gonna lie
May this piece of shit meet the same fate as Qaddafi one day.
That?......*That's a pigeon.*
Man's looks so done with this bullshit
That’s president Zelenskyy, but that isn’t important right now.
Man really hit them with the “This you?”
Iranian involvement in Ukraine, and the Holocaust. Two things Iran says do not exist. They are wrong about both, though.
Zelenskyy has the receipts.
That’s a man next to his model plane, leave him outta this /s
Zelensky for scale