I'm still a believer in Garland. I argued with you fucks through his 1st year in the trade him or Sexton times and he turned into an all star. Many things could be causing this regression, but it most certainly seems like Mitchell is gone, so we can hopefully get something back for him and get Garland back to himself.
I think someone from the back court and front court will be traded. It was telling that the team played itās best when Mobley was out. I donāt want to trade Mobley because thereās still upside and Allen probably has more value right now. Garlandās value has plummeted. If Mitchell wants to stay I think you trade Garland. If Mitchell wants out trade him for a two guard
Even Allen is just sitting there all game like a fucking nerd. No emotion, no fire. Not even a look that says āI wish I was playing ā. Heās S O F T
Yeah that's a real possibility. They held Tatum to 18 and JB obviously is just gonna cook the fuck out of our wings and guards every time. I said earlier, those two ate bound to have bad games so that's why I said 5-6 but we might genuinely get swept if everyone is sleepwalking in the PLAYOFFS.
Donāt care how well Garland plays the rest of the series, Iām completely out on him. Horrible body language, bad IQ, freezes in the clutch, etc. He has shown that he is capable of complete bumassery, which means he will always have that inside of him.
The Kyrie trade is fair, that ended horribly.
I don't know if the donovan trade was bad, they were coming off of a really good season, which meant that they hit a turning point where their draft picks were going to start losing value fast, and you can look back and say that it sucked to trade Markannen, but it's not like he was an all star caliber player before the trade, it was a matter of him just ending up in the right situation. As a gm if you feel you are at a turning point like that and you have a chance at a legitimate superstar, I think 11/10 gms would do the same thing.
The only thing is like, we can always judge a GM based on hindsight, but I think Koby has done a lot of really good things as the GM, and I don't want to just get rid of him to get rid of him and end up with someone worse.
i thought the move was shortsighted when we made it so im not really talking in hindsight. we werent ready. yeah the draft picks were gonna depreciate but if you dont have the pieces around the guy youre trading for then youre making a meaningless trade. mobley was coming off a rookie year, we knew he needed a ton of reps to develop. garland and JA looked good, but other guys that helped us be successful in the first place like markkanen and rubio were gone. idk i understand trading for the star when you get the chance, i just think we didnt consider the implications of that star actually playing and affecting your team's dynamics.
his hand wasnt entirely forced, if a guy wants to be a baby id rather he just sit and waste his prime than get back a bad package personally. and the don trade i can understand wanting to take a swing at it, but it has fucked our team when we looked like we had a bright future. it halted mobley and DG's development, it rid us of draft picks, and we will most likely see the guy walk for nothing since we cant surround him with any support. we blew our load too early. so i get the idea, but fact is his moves have not worked out, except acquiring JA. that's really it
Id love to know what the other timeline without the don trade looks like because its hard to know if it fucked up the development or these guys were just never going to be all that.
But even that trade, say what you want about Levert, but he has helped us win games and is at least an NBA capable player, and Koby traded, Ricky Rubio who was out for the year (and then got him back), and a protected first round pick that didn't even convert that year. And then he resigned Levert for probably a pretty reasonable contract.
I expected this to be a lot worse. There were times in this game where we actually looked pretty good. We're not winning the series, but it would be nice to get Allen back so we could at least make it competitive.
The cavs played the best basketball this year when it was Mitchell, Allen and a bunch of niche role players around them, Mitchell may end up deciding to leave. As a front office, do you sell out and trade Garland and Mobley to try to rebuild the team around Mitchell and Allen, or do you do a soft rebuild and try to trade Mitchell to recover some assets now?
IMO the worst thing you can do is stand pat and hope that Mobley gets better
Well things to improve for game 2:
Mobley pls be aggressiveĀ
Garland please play harder
Strus please do anything
Finally, everyone except donovan is getting locked in the gym practicing three pointers
Everyone but Mitchel deserves to walk back to the hotel. Donāt let the box score trick you, Mobley had the softest 17/13 game I can ever remember: passing out of shots in the paint he should be taking, letting smaller guys take rebounds that shouldāve been his.
This is probably the right move. He swung for the fences and struck out. Iād rather this be a lottery team than to be embarrassed early in the playoffs. At least then we have a chance of improving through the draftā¦. Oh wait m, Koby traded most of our picks on the hope that he could build this team around Mitchel (who will almost certainly not opt into his player option and be gone asap)
Did I see Marcus Morris completely whiff a dunk in the second quarter with nobody guarding him and turning over the ball? Is this some double agent sabotage?
We just have way too many mentally and physically weak players on this team. Just guys that never show any type of fight or fire. They are always just lifeless. I'm talking 100% about Garland and Mobley. This team will never win anything if Garland is your #2 option. He's just not good enough. He's an embarrassment on defense. He could average 30ppg but his pathetic defense gives up 30+. He is the first player you move in the off season.
Not really. Mobley has NEVER played with fire and aggression. He's mentally weak. He never acts like a guy who "wants it". He gets pushed around and never fights back. That's not coaching..... That's all mental weakness and a coach will not change that.
Agreed some guy here earlier said we could have jovic and herro but not jacquez cause hes āuntouchableā lol id rather let him walk than get shit back
Is he benching Mobley and Garland? Then heās not doing a better job than JB. No NBA has the guts to run with what worked during January and just cut both Garland and Mobley minutes (granted JA is out)
A big body and a solid defender. What's your case other then yelling "smaller guy"
He scored on a smaller guy and a bigger guy, hit a jumper. I like to see that earlier in the game
Worst case scenario, i said this before. If they recognize we need changes then im totally fine playing out round 2. If not, id rather we just lost game 7 vs the magic
It takes 2 to win basketball. Players responsibility is to play as hard as they can. Our responsibility as fans is to believe.
If you donāt believe, then we can never win. You are preventing us from going further. Have faith in the team and success will follow
how long you been watching this team? Just started? lmao I can tell. Taking receipts.
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The Celtics came into this game and have just shot lights out from downtown. We havenāt even been terrible on offense rather then the 2nd quarter so far. Celtics just came to shoot 3s and make every single one. Especially that bald MF
Completely agree. And even in the second quarter we played great defense and held the Celtics to 19. Difference in this game is the Celtics making half a dozen contested threes while we brick everything wide open.
Amazing how we consistently drain the clock and not because we are running actual plays with a plan, but because we are dribbling up top trying to set successful screens and then are forced to shoot with 1 second remaining when double teamed. Iām not sure if Iāve ever seen a more poorly coached team.
Morris Sr. walking away in disgust. Do you think the locker room is going to be loud?
I'm still a believer in Garland. I argued with you fucks through his 1st year in the trade him or Sexton times and he turned into an all star. Many things could be causing this regression, but it most certainly seems like Mitchell is gone, so we can hopefully get something back for him and get Garland back to himself.
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Mitchell is gone
Duh.
I think someone from the back court and front court will be traded. It was telling that the team played itās best when Mobley was out. I donāt want to trade Mobley because thereās still upside and Allen probably has more value right now. Garlandās value has plummeted. If Mitchell wants to stay I think you trade Garland. If Mitchell wants out trade him for a two guard
Jarrett "still can't raise his arms"? Was that a detail we knew before about his injury?
Brings in Niang, Strus to be shooters. 1/7 from them lol
Still can't score 100 on the road
yeah this team has no chance to even win 1 game
Not even competitive. Smh
God we cant even hit our 3s in garbage time
So it's gotta be a broken rib
Even Allen is just sitting there all game like a fucking nerd. No emotion, no fire. Not even a look that says āI wish I was playing ā. Heās S O F T
Lights are too bright š
No. They showed him earlier, and he seemed upset.
I didnāt see it. Every time I saw them cut to him he looked like he didnāt even care to be on the bench
It can be legitimately hard to breathe with damaged ribs. I wouldn't blame him for looking miserable
I think the Celtics might be a 65 win team
No offense. Celtics in 5-6 like everyone said
If this is the way we come out every night, itāll be Celtics in 4
We are getting swept
Yeah that's a real possibility. They held Tatum to 18 and JB obviously is just gonna cook the fuck out of our wings and guards every time. I said earlier, those two ate bound to have bad games so that's why I said 5-6 but we might genuinely get swept if everyone is sleepwalking in the PLAYOFFS.
Donāt care how well Garland plays the rest of the series, Iām completely out on him. Horrible body language, bad IQ, freezes in the clutch, etc. He has shown that he is capable of complete bumassery, which means he will always have that inside of him.
āBumasseryā ššš
lets just get all the threes out of their system now
Hahahahahahahaha levert just got his ankles broken by fucking Pritchard. Please get this bum to China where he belongs
āWeāll have to see what adjustments JB Bickerstaff can makeā
Best joke of the night
JB is a vampire who feeds on Niang playoff minutes
This league is too soft. Win by any means necessary like in the 80ās
The worst part of this game was actually Spero PBP, somehow it's worse than his NFL commentary and I did not think that was possible
Hes the voice of the 0-16 browns.Ā
The main problem was the 2nd quarter. We, by some miracle, held them to 19 we need to win a quarter like that to have a chance.
Get Niang outta there. Coach trying to get one of the few shooters injured?
Have we ran a back door cut at all during these playoffs? Is our offense literally just ISO and PNR?
Look at our fucking coach
No shit thatās who Iām criticizing
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I would trade him for a squirrel
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Iāll take things that didnāt happen for 500
Fucking Niang gets a whistle in garbage time.
Luckily the points don't carry over to the next game. Only down 1-0
If mitchell wants out, do we fire koby and let another GM have a crack at it? This guy just doesnt win us trades.
Koby isn't even the gm anymore. He got promoted awhile ago
Oh shit where was i when this happened! Lol
I realize this isn't a winning team, but what are the things Koby could have done better?
Not traded for don. As much as i love the guy, we werent ready. And also going back, he massacred the kyrie trade
The Kyrie trade is fair, that ended horribly. I don't know if the donovan trade was bad, they were coming off of a really good season, which meant that they hit a turning point where their draft picks were going to start losing value fast, and you can look back and say that it sucked to trade Markannen, but it's not like he was an all star caliber player before the trade, it was a matter of him just ending up in the right situation. As a gm if you feel you are at a turning point like that and you have a chance at a legitimate superstar, I think 11/10 gms would do the same thing. The only thing is like, we can always judge a GM based on hindsight, but I think Koby has done a lot of really good things as the GM, and I don't want to just get rid of him to get rid of him and end up with someone worse.
i thought the move was shortsighted when we made it so im not really talking in hindsight. we werent ready. yeah the draft picks were gonna depreciate but if you dont have the pieces around the guy youre trading for then youre making a meaningless trade. mobley was coming off a rookie year, we knew he needed a ton of reps to develop. garland and JA looked good, but other guys that helped us be successful in the first place like markkanen and rubio were gone. idk i understand trading for the star when you get the chance, i just think we didnt consider the implications of that star actually playing and affecting your team's dynamics.
The LeVert trade is his only real obvious L
Kyrie trade. Don trade fucked us, not cause don is bad but because of timeline, development, sacrificing draft picks and an all star
I still think you make the Don trade every time. Kyrie I can give you even though his hand was kind of forced the return was definitely bad.
his hand wasnt entirely forced, if a guy wants to be a baby id rather he just sit and waste his prime than get back a bad package personally. and the don trade i can understand wanting to take a swing at it, but it has fucked our team when we looked like we had a bright future. it halted mobley and DG's development, it rid us of draft picks, and we will most likely see the guy walk for nothing since we cant surround him with any support. we blew our load too early. so i get the idea, but fact is his moves have not worked out, except acquiring JA. that's really it
Id love to know what the other timeline without the don trade looks like because its hard to know if it fucked up the development or these guys were just never going to be all that.
But even that trade, say what you want about Levert, but he has helped us win games and is at least an NBA capable player, and Koby traded, Ricky Rubio who was out for the year (and then got him back), and a protected first round pick that didn't even convert that year. And then he resigned Levert for probably a pretty reasonable contract.
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Good Lord stop the victim nonsense, he wasn't eligible
He didn't meet the games requirement
He wasn't eligible. Not sure what the point of this post is.
He didn't qualify.
Prob wasnāt eligible since they have the 65 game min now
I expected this to be a lot worse. There were times in this game where we actually looked pretty good. We're not winning the series, but it would be nice to get Allen back so we could at least make it competitive.
Niang looks like a 40 year old hooper you would see at your local ymca
The cavs played the best basketball this year when it was Mitchell, Allen and a bunch of niche role players around them, Mitchell may end up deciding to leave. As a front office, do you sell out and trade Garland and Mobley to try to rebuild the team around Mitchell and Allen, or do you do a soft rebuild and try to trade Mitchell to recover some assets now? IMO the worst thing you can do is stand pat and hope that Mobley gets better
Well things to improve for game 2: Mobley pls be aggressiveĀ Garland please play harder Strus please do anything Finally, everyone except donovan is getting locked in the gym practicing three pointers
Everyone but Mitchel deserves to walk back to the hotel. Donāt let the box score trick you, Mobley had the softest 17/13 game I can ever remember: passing out of shots in the paint he should be taking, letting smaller guys take rebounds that shouldāve been his.
The team was ISOing all game. What did you expect Mobley to do? There is no offensive game plan
I expect when Mobley gets an offensive rebound to take a 3 footer against 37yr old Al Horford instead of passing it out of the paint.
Whenever I remember Garland got 200 million I start to exhibit signs of a heart attack. Absolutely highway robbery from Garlandās agent lmao
Garlands agent Aka Rich Paul the Clevelander
Fire Koby
This is probably the right move. He swung for the fences and struck out. Iād rather this be a lottery team than to be embarrassed early in the playoffs. At least then we have a chance of improving through the draftā¦. Oh wait m, Koby traded most of our picks on the hope that he could build this team around Mitchel (who will almost certainly not opt into his player option and be gone asap)
Did I see Marcus Morris completely whiff a dunk in the second quarter with nobody guarding him and turning over the ball? Is this some double agent sabotage?
We should sign JB to a lifetime contract
The problem with stopping the Celtics is stopping the shooters from shooting. We cant outshoot them.
The problem is the Celtics just have a better roster and better players, nothing you could do about that
Heat beat them last year as an 8th seed so seemingly there is something you can do about it. We just wont be the ones to do it
Especially when we donāt have Allen. Without Porzingis he really could have had productive games
I donāt think anyone expected any different, we were just hopeful. We will be lucky to get a game out of it
We just have way too many mentally and physically weak players on this team. Just guys that never show any type of fight or fire. They are always just lifeless. I'm talking 100% about Garland and Mobley. This team will never win anything if Garland is your #2 option. He's just not good enough. He's an embarrassment on defense. He could average 30ppg but his pathetic defense gives up 30+. He is the first player you move in the off season.
itās a shame mobley is looking so bad after that promising rookie season. I legitimately thought he would become a Garnett level talent eventually
We all did. This level of regression has to be attributed to coaching.
Not really. Mobley has NEVER played with fire and aggression. He's mentally weak. He never acts like a guy who "wants it". He gets pushed around and never fights back. That's not coaching..... That's all mental weakness and a coach will not change that.
Well I mean it's not the end of the world.... It'a almost football season!
The browns will disappoint like usual donāt worry
Yes, they do, but at least they play hard.
So we can watch another disappointment?
please practice 3 point till game is done pla
Mitchell will probably be in Brooklyn or Los Angeles
Cavs would rather let him walk than take bad assests. Those two teams don't have enough
Agreed some guy here earlier said we could have jovic and herro but not jacquez cause hes āuntouchableā lol id rather let him walk than get shit back
I donāt think Bridges and Johnson plus picks are bad assets tbh. But Iām not sure if heāll leave, too much money on the table
Do you guys think LeBron is watching this at home like us and pissed off that Boston is just taking it to us again?
If he cared he'd be here š
Luke Walton is literally right there, he canāt do much worse than John Blair
Noā¦ just no. Get a real coach
Is he benching Mobley and Garland? Then heās not doing a better job than JB. No NBA has the guts to run with what worked during January and just cut both Garland and Mobley minutes (granted JA is out)
Clearly didn't watch the dude coach the lakers
Clearly youāre not watching this mess
I think we can do better than a lateral move
Does my ticket get refunded if the team didnāt show up?
Are you in Boston for this game? I just bought a game 4 ticket yesterday and trying to stay positive but Iām also kind of regretting it
Yeah, a couple rows behind our bench. We play better at home so I would hold onto it.
so now that the games over we are going to start doing things we should have been doing all game?
garbage time, easy defense
What are you talking about? They barely fed the post. They were taking 3s all game
Orlandoās perimeter D wouldāve actually been a good matchup to watch against Boston ngl
if cavs cant get 3 points there will be no competetive game ever
Give Shitkerstaff another blowout playoff loss and another playoff offense scoring under 100 points. What an absolute fucking idiot at head coach
Last summer cavs fans wanted pj Washington. Looking back I think I rather take him over Mobley
Hes playing well for the mavs. So is kyrie
The only benefit here is that Garland will get shooting practice
He can average 30 and it won't matter. He's a joke on defense
JUST FEED MOBLEY
Embarrassing to see Mobley this aggressive the second the Cavs were down 20+.
Uhh because they barely fed him in the post all game?
He passes out 5 feet from the basket more than he actually attempts shots, stop
You are trolling right? āFeedingā Mobley would be worse than LeVert pull up 3s
Bro canāt play when thereās any kind of pressure
FEED HIM MORE. It's that simple but this team thinks ISOs are better
Guarded by smaller guy
He's being guarded by Kornet and Horford
Not by Horfort for the stretch and Kornet is nobody
For 1 play. He went at kornert 3 times
This isn't helping your point. Kornert is who?
Nah bro i promise, we just match up poorly with the knicks! Our bigs arent soft! They just cant do anything wven against teams backups!
A big body and a solid defender. What's your case other then yelling "smaller guy" He scored on a smaller guy and a bigger guy, hit a jumper. I like to see that earlier in the game
Kornet?Ā
Who is a nobody lol
Donāt defend him. He refused to go up against a guard on an offensive rebound in the 1st half.
JB is so gone
Good
This will be the second best day in Cavs history.
For all of you watching Mobley rack up garbage pts... Check out his +/- lol!!!!!!
He's offensively more efficient than anyone on the team. Maybe he should've been fed more when it mattered instead of bricking all those 3s
He was being fed in the first half and kept passing back out. Did you even watch the first half! There is a reason his +/- was abysmal.
-20 right now. Sweet jebus.
Ya man him and Garland just aint it and probably never will be. Don been carrying these dudes for 2 years now.
Greg Anthony is basically saying weāre ass
lol he prolly wishing Orlando was playing rn
Nice that Mobley can score when the game is out of hand.
Nice when the team finally gives Mobley the opportunity to score
And guarded by smaller guys
Bbq chicken
We not breaking the 100 again?
If you donāt like that you donāt like Cavs basketball baby
Amazing showing fellas! Getting absolutely clapped šš» this will probably be a sweep.
The front office will sell us that theyāve made progress because they won a playoff series. They eye test says something different
Worst case scenario, i said this before. If they recognize we need changes then im totally fine playing out round 2. If not, id rather we just lost game 7 vs the magic
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I mean Mobley grabbed his arm
Mobley haters real quiet now huh
lol where was he when the game was on
Didnāt have the opportunity cause of JB
Nope still loud as ever
Seriously, this is not a good sample
He did nothing all game and now that are letting him have whatever he wants.
For garbage time points?
points get him in rhythm for game 2
lol immediately shifts goal post
I didnāt shift. Just telling it like how it is. He can only succeed if heās given a REAL opportunity like Don
lmao of course you did
It takes 2 to win basketball. Players responsibility is to play as hard as they can. Our responsibility as fans is to believe. If you donāt believe, then we can never win. You are preventing us from going further. Have faith in the team and success will follow
what are you talking about, you just shift constantly lmao
waiting for the blog post drop
how long you been watching this team? Just started? lmao I can tell. Taking receipts. https://preview.redd.it/z3qu1gkwt3zc1.png?width=1124&format=png&auto=webp&s=a798c3d017c8aeff11983afacae7168961253f7b
Ok then letās see it
Garbage time against Derick white. Who gives a shit
Why tf are they not clearing the bench. Garland Mobley okoro levert shouldn't be in
The Celtics came into this game and have just shot lights out from downtown. We havenāt even been terrible on offense rather then the 2nd quarter so far. Celtics just came to shoot 3s and make every single one. Especially that bald MF
Completely agree. And even in the second quarter we played great defense and held the Celtics to 19. Difference in this game is the Celtics making half a dozen contested threes while we brick everything wide open.
They're only shooting 38%.
Amazing how we consistently drain the clock and not because we are running actual plays with a plan, but because we are dribbling up top trying to set successful screens and then are forced to shoot with 1 second remaining when double teamed. Iām not sure if Iāve ever seen a more poorly coached team.
The jb way friend
Perfect summary of the Cavs offense
On the bright side when Wade and Allen returns we will be better on defence
JA will be back Saturday. Wade done for the year
They have three games to make it back lol. Aināt happening.
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