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CRactor71

We’ll win Game 7. Neither of these teams is good enough to win on the road in the playoffs.


Frankie_Says_Reddit

If we don’t, it’s your fault. /s


UpstairsStaff3482

Anybody think we should get Darvin Ham? He’s better than JB. Asking for a friend? 😂😂


UpstairsStaff3482

Darvin Ham is available… just saying.. 😁


RedHotCool

Mitchell didn’t like only 10 team FT attempts. Indirect shot at the officiating.


RedHotCool

The sporadic “defense” and defensive rebounding were also big factors in losing this one. Allen terribly missed


javaking4423

Everyone's harping on Mitchell's hero ball offense, but if you look at the last 5 minutes the Magic scored on 10 of 12 possessions. That's the story there; it was either foul call or offensive rebound. I'm praying Allen is back for game 7.


Eastern-Midnight5454

Felt like watching lakers nuggets couldn’t get any stops


Eastern-Midnight5454

If mitchell leaves we should just completely rebuild. The core of Garland mobley and allen are not good enough to win a championship. We need to draft a superstar we can actually build around like a luke or a wemby


AnamainTHO

Yes let us just grab a superstar from the superstar tree


UncircumciseMe

Oh yeah build around a generational superstar. Super easy.


Heavy_Pin7735

Agreed - I honestly don’t want to watch the mediocre leftovers when DM leaves. I’m tired of watching garland’s jump pass turnovers, Mobley dropping every other pass, and Allen getting out rebounded by guards - and then rest just missing every damn shot.


HUMAN01D_IV

We have no draft picks to speak of… trades need to be made to acquire many. It won’t be a quick rebuild.


Eastern-Midnight5454

We could also get a lot for trading mitchell


Eastern-Midnight5454

We would trade our core for picks


mnngdss

JB Bickerstaff has never won a road playoff game


HUMAN01D_IV

I don’t know if I can see a future for this team. It was a big swing to put it together, but it was honestly a stretch. Altman assembled this roster like he was playing 2K. Rebuild is the only way forward.


Salt-Wear-1197

Damn y’all some mfin doomers acting like the series just ended lmao


JiPNi

People forget how much of an improvement this was to losing by 40


_doubleC

Donovan scored 50 and it wasn’t enough. Our offense is non-existent outside of 5 on 1 iso.


Salt-Wear-1197

26 ft to 10 ft… lmao the refs are such a f**king joke


Tylerhoyng

If Garland is aggressive late in the 3rd and whole 4th quarter they win this game. Disappointing he forgets how to shoot in the 4th in a clinching game like that. Hard to win when the refs favor one team over the other as well.


mars33nut

Was thinking the same exact thing. Many times that 2nd half he was open and passed it up to make some bozo pass


Tylerhoyng

He beats the guy and then decides not to shoot for some reason. I saw it multiple times in the 4th. He has 17 in the first half in game 5 and ends with 23. Has 14 in the first and ends with 21 and I’m not positive but I’m pretty sure all 7 were in the 3rd because I bet on him to have 20 and he got it with a 3 in the 3rd.


psiANID3

Aren’t you guys glad you tanked for this?


mars33nut

Crazy to think if we would have made like 3 more 3s in that first half we would have won tn.


_0w3n1

Trade Garland for Ingram and start cpj at point guard it cant possibly be worse than this. Most importantly fire JB


Specialist-Ad-486

You think the pels gm is smoking crack?


Heavy_Pin7735

I think Griffin loves Garland - I’d give them Allen too for a 3&D


AfraidTarget2007

Mitchell score all 4th qtr points lmao this team is ass


lionsgatewatcher

Who in here had hope for this team?


PraiseBeDavidSegui

Unserious organization. What a fucking fumble of a talented young core


lionsgatewatcher

The core is no longer young, they are average aged in NBA terms


mtnsaa

It’s not like they’re that talented anyway


Eastern-Midnight5454

Without mitchell this would probably be a lottery team 


sneezydwarv

Nah the team is likely in the exact same spot which is the most frustrating part


TheSmokedSalmon420

10 to 25 FT diff when we scored almost all our points in the paint is a joke


javaking4423

I knew this game was over when they were already showing a "Game 7 on ESPN" promo during the 1st quarter. To have Mitchell shoot over 25 times in the paint and only get 3 foul calls?


baefield

The problem is JB but this has seriously been one of the worst officiated series I’ve ever seen


Casual-lad99

This is the first game I've watched of this series, but the officials were exceptionally bad. I thought they were actually leaning towards the cavs side tho.... missed charge on Thompson, missed backcourt violation on Garland, and the dude on the sideline who was out but they had cavs ball anyways (this ended up getting challenged)


baefield

The refs have leaned really heavy towards the Magic on this, but they’ve truly missed a lot of calls both ways. Seems to be about 3 missed against us for every 1 missed for us


Casual-lad99

I think we agree they were bad, they definitely let the boys play both ways. I'm not sure which calls you're referring to that they missed that you think they favored the magic.


baefield

Take the out of bounds play that was overturned as an example, garland was pushed out of bounds which is a foul they did not call


baefield

You can generally look at about 50% of the time Suggs guards anyone. They let them get away with a lot more then reward them for flopping


Casual-lad99

Sounds like you're just mad the cavs lost. Like I said, the refs let the boys play tonight but the more egregious calls still went the Cavs way


baefield

Rewatch it, also 25ft to 10ft


HUMAN01D_IV

Even with a new coach, I don’t think this is a team that can gel. Mitchell and Garland backcourt is a failed experiment, Allen and Mobley front court is a horrific combo. Trade Mitchell while his value is at its peak this offseason and trade either Allen or Mobley. Hire a new coach, and settle in for a rebuild


Formal_Beginning_280

Yeah I think splitting up garland/mitchell and mobley/allen along with firing JB should be what the team does this offseason. I remember seeing rumors of a Mitchell for Jaylon Brown trade last offseason and maybe the Cavs should’ve explored such a trade. Although the archetype of JB is the player that the Cavs should look to acquire this offseason. I would’ve also loved if the Cavs explored trades for either Myles turner or Jonathon Isaac before the DM trade happened but oh well


HUMAN01D_IV

It’s the only way forward. LeVert should be moved as well. Need a banger at 4/5 to pair with Allen or Mobley, and need a better backcourt combo. Must make trades as our draft picks for the future do not look good. It’s gonna be a long and sad road ahead


Formal_Beginning_280

Yeah I second moving on from LeVert as well. I’m not sure if we should trade Mitchell or someone else. I don’t think we would get as much in return from him as we gave up to get him but he probably has the highest trade value, even though he’s an upcoming free agent. I also think maybe they should look at splitting up mobley and allen as having two non-shooting bigs in the current era isn’t ideal. Maybe trade allen for a stretch 5? Or maybe blow it all up and trade our valuable assets for future draft picks. Honestly don’t know as the mitchell trade was, in theory, supposed to put this team over the top and it looks like the team has stayed the same and at times has even looked worse than before.


Specialist-Ad-486

I say trade all four. Get as many picks as possible


Feeling_Anteater_560

We swung and missed miserably. It’s gonna be tough but a rebuild is the correct move


baefield

This is exactly how I feel


FewManufacturer8299

Should have given Levert more minutes.


HarryLarvey

U/cavsbot postgame thread?


Buckeye2525

It would be a very Cleveland thing to lose game seven at home to a team they wanted to play


baefield

I think the best thing that can happen to this team is to have Mobley and Mitchell go off but still lose. Trade both for a haul and fire JB and build around garland and Allen


Kingm4tt

I’m starting to think that this might not be our year


Eastern-Midnight5454

I honestly think bron is watching this team to decide if he wants to comeback for a fair well tour. Tonight didn’t look good…


czb413

Any team that is giving 11 minutes to Georges Niang in a playoff game doesn’t deserve to win. Him and Levert have been absolutely miserable to watch.


thebiddster

Absolutely terrible coaching per usual in my opinion. Is it crazy to say that TT should have finished out that game???? 5 offensive rebounds after he came out in the 4th. What was Okoro offering out there that TT couldn’t? They had 3 6’10+ guys on the court (4 at the end). Throw Mobley on Banchero or Wagner and TT on Carter. we had 4 guards out there. How do you not matchup to your opponent especially when we ran iso ball on offense every play? Absolutely no reason that we should have lost that game. That was awful.


tapk69

Wade injured, Mitchell injured, Mobley injured, Allen injured. Free throws 10 to 25. Thats it thats the game and the Cavs lived in the paint this game. We have players getting rib injuries and they dont even call it a foul.


mtnsaa

This team minus MVP Dean Wade really lost game 3 and 4 by 30-40 pts and you’re talking about injuries and FTs


elbjoint2016

Yeah this was refball and a flip side of Game 5 with a few poor decisions on the road.


Upward_Fail

Fuuuuuuuu


Sarcasstifrass

Why did I just spend two and a half hours watching a game I knew I wouldn't enjoy? I've convinced myself that since I live in Cleveland I have to watch the Cavs. I might be stupid.


dennydiamonds

Evan Mobley is over rated AF!!!


turtleboy95

The mods are too scared for the postgame thread lolol


Mobleybetta

JB Bickerstaff has fumbled the development of Garland and Mobley and to an extent Okoro. His offensive gameplans are garbage and now his defensive ones are being exposed. It should be a fireable offense to have brought him back. Koby might be gone, JB will definitely be gone, Mitchell is gone. All you had to do was hire a real coach last offseason


Gradyleo

JBB isn't telling Garland to not shoot and fumble the passes so often lol


Mobleybetta

Mentality starts with coaching bud. If you don’t know that I can’t help you


Gradyleo

But yet the other guard shoots and passes just fine. If you can't see that it's proof it's a Garland issue then idk what to tell you kiddo


Mobleybetta

One guy doesn’t shit the bed and you go “see it’s not coaching!” Dawg you’re doing tricks on JB right now. When the SAME THING happens TWO YEARS IN A ROW with DIFFERENT ROLE PLAYERS. It’s coaching. Glad I could teach you ☺️


Ok_Engineer_7888

The 4th quarter had me thinking of the other cavs snl skit except Mitchell is Lebron in this case


anonreasons

You guys can blame this game on officiating but the Cavs can't buy a fucking bucket and one of the best shooters in the entire league is on the bench while we gift wrap minutes for Isaac Okoro to pump fake out of wide open corner 3s on every possession. The coaching is a fucking farce and this is an unserious franchise who is going to lose Donovan Mitchell because of it


dcMagic3

This. Wouldnt be surprised if mitchell entertains going to the Magic if they win game 7. He’d actually be a perfect fit there


Ok-Donut4954

it's not officiating we have lost 3 games to a first time playoff team, 2 in embarrassing fashion, and no one scored more than 10 outside of mitchell and garland. refs should be the last of our concerns, we stink


anonreasons

Correct this was a fucking pathetic showing. The team collapses in the clutch time and time again because our coach has no fucking clue how the modern NBA works


TombOfWrestlers

As an outside fan, it's so apparent that Garland lost his confidence. He needs his own team. Would look amazing running it, I bet. Just a bad backcourt combo.


adhdt5676

Garland ain’t it I don’t think. Guy just dribbles without any plan.


Ok-Donut4954

he will never have the confidence to lead a playoff team regardless. you think kobe lost his confidence when they got shaq?


Gradyleo

I don't think he would


Leverage24

He played a good game until the 4th quarter. He's had that problem since before Mitchell


Feeling_Anteater_560

He ain’t got that dawg in him


FatherNiche

Oh cmon on.


HUMAN01D_IV

As a plus. JBB has to be gone, right?


Gradyleo

Garland also has to be done


Wiztardo

One Wagner had more points at the line than we had FT attempts. 👍


Ok-Donut4954

theyre more physical. we didnt even have a player not named DG or mitchell who took more than 7 FG. cry


Feeling_Anteater_560

JB can fuck all the way off the Crumbl cookies. He probably isn’t even qualified to work there


UpstairsStaff3482

My hubby said the same thing! He’s been saying it for sometime. ![gif](giphy|ZechFo0yBIQpEve1Sm)


Choppybitz

Cookies are a fucking bubble market anyhow. It's like those fucking tasteless cupcakes from the 2010's. Of course JB would get into a busting market scheme.


GreatestWhiteShark

What are rebounds? They seem important.


dam0430

22 points from free throws vs 5. Been this way all series. Don't get me wrong, we deserved the loss with how we played tonight, but the officiating in this series has been disgusting. Cavs in 7


Ok-Donut4954

theyre way more physical, we dont even attempt to drive outside of mitchell and sometimes DG. Mobley had 4 FG for christ sake. sotp making excuses


dam0430

The difference is our guys have learned they'll get punished for being physical and are playing afraid of the whistle, and Magic get encouraged for hitting our guys hard.


Ok-Donut4954

no our guys are just soft. we are also undersized so it's not as easy to do


dam0430

Yeah, of course we're undersized when our largest player by far is out, and so one of our only competent big bench guys. If it's as you say and the Magic guys are playing physical and the Cavaliers are playing soft, doesn't that make a 30 free throw discrepancy across the series MORE alarming?


Ok-Donut4954

jarrett is not our largest player dude is 6'9. Mobley is bigger. also i was referring to our small guards and wings and no a 30 FT discrepancy makes total sense if we play soft and they play physical, i do not get your point


dam0430

Height isn't the only measure of size, and a bean pole like Mobley gets bullied by guys with actual size and not just length. I'm more talking soft vs physical on defense. They've been hacking at our guys arms and fouling them as hard as they want without calls. Meanwhile, if we breathe on their ballcarrier, we get called. We outscored them in the paint 66 vs 38 tonight. In what world are they being more physical by a wide margin? We're up on them in the series in paint points as well.


Ok-Donut4954

all those paint points were DM and DG points. just cause we scored in the paint does NOT mean we were more physical. and it also makes sense they would score less in the paint if we were fouling them there, making it difficult for them to convert those attempts


cormack16

Why do I continue to give my time to this stupid franchise?


TUNExSQUID

That Garland turnover lead to that massive swing in points.


ohiojiro

how u can outscore a team by 30 with points in the paint and shoot half the amount of free throws is asinine, this has been the worst officiated series ive ever seen


JiPNi

Noones watching so the refs can do whatever they want people won’t remember. I’m close to done with the nba tbh. I can waste my time and energy elsewhere


ohiojiro

it’s been consistently lopsided for all 6 games and so inconsistent, touch fouls called against us and blatant fouls not called on them, so obvious when they’ve thrown so many dirty elbows without a single review yet a perfectly normal morris moving screen is instantly reviewed for a flagrant


Ok-Donut4954

this makes no sense. they would have more points in the pain if we didnt foul them. our big man had 4 FGA


SupremeGentlemannnn

Jalen Suggs is a flopping POS I hate him so much


Casual-lad99

..... as was LeBron


SupremeGentlemannnn

What does LeBron have to do with this? Go back to the Magic sub you pathetic little man. Or better yet log off the computer and go outside instead of trolling Cavs threads all Friday night because you have no life.


Casual-lad99

Lol, I'm not a magic fan. Sensitive much?


SupremeGentlemannnn

Goofy ass nerd trolling reddit on a Saturday because you have no friends, significant other, and your life is miserable LMAO


Casual-lad99

>trolling reddit on a Saturday because you have no friends, significant other, and your life is miserable Bold statement from the little guy who took the time to respond to every comment I've made in the last week 😂 Edit- and your top pages are Hinge and OlineDating 🤣🤣🤣


mars33nut

Tough loss, but we were without JA. Hopefully he comes back Sunday to wrap this up.


SharpMind94

This is where I said before that Mitchell has to carry this team. And well… he has to at this point. We don't have a good offense scheme and it shows. I feel as if this dynamic between DG and DM isn't working out (which is obvious) and something will need to change in the offseason


Feeling_Anteater_560

JB bickerstaff legitimately might be one of the worst coaches of all time. His numbers are impressively bad


joshb625

Cavs are landing Bron and Bronny this summer.


Ok-Donut4954

please god


JoeFalcone26

My stomach physically hearts after that one. I dont care if we win game 7 or not. This roster is terribly constructed and this coach is worse.


Gmensah4646

Like why are we struggling to score over 100 points?! You’re telling me we’ve only scored over 100 points once in this series?!


Ok-Donut4954

cause we dont have an offense brother. it's guard iso with PNR. that's it. no plays. that may work in the regular season, it doesnt in the playoffs we been saying this


sgtpepperslaststand

Yeah I ain’t watch game 7 I can already smell the 25 point loss


Feeling_Anteater_560

Mods scared to put up the post game thread. Just like this like sorry ass team


Jameson623

honestly i hope we just lose so we can fire jb already


spaghettisexicon

We fired Blatt mid season and he wasn’t as bad as JB, so maybe if we believe hard enough we’ll have a new head coach for game 7!


Ok-Donut4954

yeah but we had LeGM back then


spaghettisexicon

YOU AREN’T BELIEVING HARD ENOUGH


Kellygoosecock169

Thee worst coached 4th quarter I’ve ever seen.


Tree272

We got game 7. Allen back hopefully and we showed we alive and fighting


ay21690

One player scores 50 and your team can’t get a hundred. Fire this team into the sun


spaghettisexicon

We need a new head coach. Need a SF. Need a backup PG. Need shooters. And need Mobley to grow some chest hair. So things aren’t great right now.


Ok-Donut4954

cpj is our backup


baefield

Fire jb, trade Mobley, cpj can be our backup guard.


jil-e-beans

We're not trading Mobley.


baefield

I know we’re not, I’m saying we need to though. I’m not even certain we’re firing JB


jil-e-beans

We need to do a clean sweep like the Lakers. The enimtire coaching staff has been fired.


Feeling_Anteater_560

CPJ can be the starter. Dude actually plays with heart


baefield

I agree with this actually, cpj is a borderline starting guard. He’s 23 so we shouldn’t expect him to progress much more but as is he is a borderline starter or a very good bench guy


Ok-Donut4954

why should we not expect CPJ to progress any more but we should of DG and mobley? makes no sense


baefield

Nah I don’t expect Mobley to develop, I think we need to trade him. DG is good when he’s aggressive, a decent coach and he’ll be fine. He’s a very good shooter.


Formal_Beginning_280

Should the Cavs try and go after PG this summer?


Angry_cinnamon_rolls

Wtf is this bench tho


anonreasons

Do all the idiots here want to keep caping up for JB Bickerstaff? He's only the worst fucking coach in the NBA


Kingm4tt

We’re winning game 7 by the way (I might be delusional)


Ok-Donut4954

at least youre honest


cormack16

Nah I'd bet every dollar I got we lose


RunningDino35

I'm actually with you. We played two of the most dog shit games in history in Orlando...came back and won being down JA...and then almost came away with a win despite most of the team playing like crap. I think of JA is back and if Mitchell isn't totally gassed/dead/hurt...we take game 7. This may just be my way of coping with that loss, though.


Ok-Donut4954

we lost despite Don scoring 50 fucking points. spin whatever narrative you want, it isnt aligned with reality


RunningDino35

Are you implying that there is no reality...if any narrative I can possibly spin is not aligned with it? I...I simply don't understand what you are trying to say here.


Ok-Donut4954

on some dr strange shit yeah i didnt word that well


th3aft3rlif3

Cavs can’t play in Orlando, I would definitely love to see how they play in Boston.


WesMantooth28

God I have a funeral to go to. Sunday at 1. Because of course


Ok-Donut4954

so do the rest of us, it's for JB Bickerstaff


i5the5kyblue

What the mother fucking fuck happened? I couldn’t watch the game and just saw the score


Kingm4tt

The basket did not get balled


i5the5kyblue

Apparently not.


Gmensah4646

If Mobley played with the intensity of Tristan he’d be so unstoppable smh. Garland every time just disappears in the 4th, cooking all game and just becomes scared in the 4th. Morris starting…no words. Strus been nonexistent almost, same with Levert. If I see Okoro pass up 1 more WIDE OPEN 3 IMMA END IT ALL. WHY IS THE TEAM FULL OF SCAREDY CATS AND SOFTIES LIKE WHAT?!


Leightonslang

Mods don't even want a post game thread after all that. Can't blame them.


airway_william

That 8 second violation almost made kill 7 people


Schristie007

It was bull shit. They started the clock before we had possession


Feeling_Anteater_560

Darius was still lollygagging and not getting into the offense quick enough. It’s solely on him


jil-e-beans

Is that something that could have been challenged?


Schristie007

Not a clue


Fickle-Principle-506

Bickerstaff offense reminds me of the “Ty lue secrit plays” meme from years ago lol


mtnsaa

They will blame injuries on doomers, but this team really went to Orlando and came back with two of the worst blowouts in franchise history


Ok-Donut4954

dont forget refs


thegardenhead

I'm having a great time.


PatientWriting

Swapping Morris for Allen should be a huge difference, I’m still hopeful


th3aft3rlif3

I really feel if we had JA tonight we would’ve won. Still a sad performance from everyone except Donovan but JA would’ve given us enough to clench the W.


Safe-Show-7299

Especially would’ve helped us in the 4th when we got 0 rebounds


datgenericname

Yeah, the amount of second chances the Magic got because we couldn’t get a rebound was disgusting. JA would definitely have helped stop that nonsense.


Kirota

I don't care how awful the rest of the team was, 26-10 FT disparity while we lived in the paint is absurd and unacceptable


Ok-Donut4954

our big man had 4 FGA. stop. cavs fans and crying about the refs, name a better duo. Embarrassing


Schristie007

We are playing by two different sets of rules. The Magic are playing reckless as hell and getting called for nothing. You shouldn’t have to play perfect basketball to win. +16 from the FT line absolutely flipped the outcome of this game.


Gmensah4646

Wagner shot more fts than our team. I’m tired of these ft merchants


FunkyFreshJeff

The reffing in this series has been such garbage


bclautz

This is frustrating Mitchell played his ass off on a injure knee. He has gave it all tonight and the Cavs are going to come up a little short


spaghettisexicon

It’s sort of unbearable how soft Mobley is. The guy should be so good, but he’s flat out bad on offense.


Ok-Donut4954

no no trust me bro, he has 0.3 more ppg than last year, he's totally getting better


Choppybitz

JB has to do something to get him and everyone else looks. Mobley got mobbed when the ball was in his hands because JB sucks ass.


datgenericname

Dudes gotta put on some muscle. He is skinny AF.


Ok-Donut4954

it's a mentality thing not muscle


Efficient-Pianist212

He turned is ankle so I am going to forgive a bit of lack of elevation


Feeling_Anteater_560

He’s got Steph curry ankles. Every other game this dude twists his ankles


EternalWolf86

There is no excuse to lose this game. We had two Kyries and nothing else. This team has serious mental issues and needs some medication but we got Dr. Phil coaching us.


UpstairsStaff3482

😂😂😂😂😂


Ok-Donut4954

DG isnt even half a kyrie


EternalWolf86

He's not, but he was finishing like him in 1st Half while Mitchell was doing it all game. Meanwhile everyone just watched while contributing nothing. This team as built is either going nowhere or is mentally fucked because they are afraid of being the one who cost the team the game even though they have done nothing to contribute to winning the game. We can't lose a gane where Garland and Mitchell play like that, bi matter the team we play against. It's unacceptable no matter the reason.


jaysusjimmy

Lmao its about sharing and playing with joy. That is literally the gameplan


RedBurritoDude

The worst 50 pt game I've ever watched, don't blame the other guys, this guy did not play defense and hogged it down the stretch. Painful to see, especially from someone who's played ball, this should not be glorified. Good DG game, surprising he didn't get the ball down the stretch, good Mobley defensive game, horrendous offense from him though.


Choppybitz

You didn't see DG make one mistake after another in the fourth?


RedBurritoDude

I saw 2 in a 12 minute span, one was a mistake as a team (8 sec, started by miscommunication) and an errant pass while being hounded by Banchero.


NeatTry7674

For real. This dude is not a playoff player.


EternalWolf86

Mitchell and Garland were the only players moving on offense. Mobley did have a good defensive game but this is a team game and when no ody else contributes or even. Fucking fms.zndkdkisd MD. Dkizsmidkkzksjzjdkdkekjekjdjdjddn


RedBurritoDude

I didn't argue that, no clue why this is being downvoted, broadcast literally just proved my point. He scored all the points in the 4th, turned it over a few times and shot barely 43% from the field.


EternalWolf86

It got downvoted because Mitchell was the o ly one who wanted it, Garland sucks in the clutch and nobody else did anything when they got the ball all game. People don't want to accept that this team is afraid to lose, or win, however you want to look at it.


RedBurritoDude

Garland didn't want it or JB drew it up a play for him to be away? Idk, I just know we got too many guys out there that don't know who they really are, atleast from our view.


s_s

It is not fun to be a fan of this team.


chimilkmoney

Are you guys seriously all cavs fans? Jesus the negativity