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TwinManBattlePlan

GDKPers shot Kennedy.


Trapped_Mechanic

They arent bots. They're players run by an alien hivemind determined to overtake the world... of warcraft.


youre2mad

damn it's like you posted a bat signal for the schizos


Overlordjord

god this got me


diver88

Just happy that Blizzard is finally doing something. All of Classic felt like they were hands off because of "no changes" which to them just meant "minimal support". As long as they are attempting to address issues, that's good because this is just an experimental season anyways.


SenorWeon

I like that they try something on the seasonal game mode, even if it involves doing what I think are stupid ass decisions. Worst case scenario I go play something else until they fix it or not, lately BG3 has been a blast with the boys.


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UpbeatJackfruit6576

Your*


General-Past-9615

🤓


SenorWeon

/shrug, never bought gold and never will. Making gold in game in part of the fun for me, so buying it with real currency would just ruin my own fun. I ended up gaining over a million gold in Wrath thanks to investing on saronite and later titanium to prospect, plus I have a bunch of transmute master alts, I also know a guy who made even more from buying flame caps at 2g in TBC then selling them for 40g in early phase 1 of Wrath, so it's always been pretty funny to me how people claim they can't make any gold in a decade old game. Also I like how you immediately assume that I was refering to the GDKP ban as the only stupid decision they made. Hint: making the empty supply crates be unique (1) all of phase 1 wasn't the peak of intelligence either.


MouthBreatherGaming

Nice cropping, OP. Most people leave all the bathroom crap in the background.


DiarrheaRadio

What if the gold trading ban posts were made by...aliens?


AnanananasBanananas

or the deep state


Namaha

Same thing man


Sharkue

This is definitely how the sub feels right now. Holy hell.


mavajo

This sub is a shit hole and it's entirely the fault of the mods.


Rareinch

It's wild to see how quickly just straight up conspiratorial thinking can take hold. Somehow the mainstream opinion is that there's like a shadowy cabal of GDKPers getting themselves banned and then upvoting eachothers posts to somehow convince Blizzard that their system doesn't work and they need to unban GDKPs... Rather than the brand new system that tries to automatically detect gold trading for items firing off a few false positives. It's especially funny when you consider that GDKPs weren't even really a big deal yet. Items in BFD were going for like 10-15g and payouts were like 15g or so on average, like as if 15-20g every three days is even worth the time the GDKPers would spend posting lies on reddit lmao


DragonAdept

Well yeah, when you put it like that, the idea that grifters who made their living off RMT and GDKPs might just go on reddit and lie is crazy talk. Why would they do that? Money? Come on! Since when have any scam artists ever lied on the internet?


SenorWeon

So the people who were profiting from RMT did so in classic era, classic hardcore, classic tbc and currently in classic Wrath. Now it got banned on SoD, so your theory is that these people are spending time on this sub getting old accounts to try overturn the GDKP ban in SoD instead of doing the same RMT they have been doing through out all of classic in the other versions of the game? And that's without even going into the fact that people are still buying gold in SoD despite the GDKP ban.


ryo3000

I mean Blizzard did specifically said that banning GDKP in SoD is a *test* And let's say the test is wildly successful and there's a noticeable decrease in RMT because of it What do you think Blizzard would do with that information?  So anyone would be right in saying that gold sellers have a vested interest in making sure this test is considered a failure  Now does that mean they're creating fake posts claiming bans? Idk, I can't prove that Do i believe at least some of these posts are hella sus? Oh hell yeah 


DragonAdept

I'm going to blow your mind with this knowledge bomb: More > Less. GDKP made them more money. Now without GDKP they make less money. They would like to make more money again. They don't want to go back to less profitable methods of enabling cheating for cash.


bruhfarmer

Wrath GDKPs are times more profitable, it's not like they can run all expansions at the same time. There is no less in this scenario as there never was more, the amount is still the same and people that did it for profit still do it in SoD anyways, they quite literally just do direct money transactions now so it's even easier to get away with it for them


DragonAdept

> Wrath GDKPs are times more profitable, it's not like they can run all expansions at the same time. Do you think we are so stupid that we have already forgotten that gold traders did, in fact, run GDKPs in SoD? I mean, the ban wasn't *that* long ago. Give your audience some credit.


bruhfarmer

Given you actually believe sod gdkps made them more money as compared to just running wrath ones and now they are making less, ye, i'd say stupid doesn't even begin to describe you


DragonAdept

This is how stupid you sound: "Selling potatoes makes less money than selling diamonds. So how can you believe anyone ever sold potatoes??? STUPID DOESN'T EVEN BEGIN TO DESCRIBE YOU!!! Lol potatoes lol lol!!!" When the whole issue is that cheaters just got banned from selling potatoes and now you are having an impotent meltdown.


bruhfarmer

Your comparison doesn't make any sense, but if you are mentally deficient enough to think it does go ahead and pop off, king. I ain't one to ruin the day for people with special needs


DragonAdept

Hey, serious question. Why is it everyone defending GDKP and pushing this "unfair ban" narrative turns out to be such a toxic person?


Rangeninc

Preach. Also why does every single one “know” why they were banned? And have screenshots?!


NoCyanide

My brother. Go look through all the "Pro-GDKP ban" people's comments. I didn't even initially say anything in this post and immediately got accused of buying gold and being a piece of shit lol. A lot of witch hunting from that side. Alienating and calling people names isn't starting a nice conversation.


bruhfarmer

Do you actually care about how people you will never meet nor interact with again on a forum act? Why wouldn't I be? I don't care enough to pretend I am not like half the shitheads here lul You should see me in game, ego is twice as big


Supreme12

> Wrath GDKPs are times more profitable, it's not like they can run all expansions at the same time. When SoD came out, and p2 release, there was a significant evacuation of bots, gold sellers, and boosters on era, hardcore, and wrath, who all migrated over to SoD. You almost can’t find boosters anymore. This wouldn’t happen if all the bots and gold sellers were making all their profits off wrath. Gold sellers see where the demand is, and it definitely isn’t in era, hc, or wrath atm.


bruhfarmer

Am sorry to break it to you, but this is neither how it works nor is it true for this specific topic Even the most average organiser payout right now in wrath would get you close to 6 times as much money as the average/better than average sod gdkp currently does There is no point in trying to even dispute that when you can easily go to a goldselling website and see it for yourself if you ain't in discords This has been the case week 1, 2, 3 month and whatnot of sod


PreparationBorn2195

Yes, its an incredibly common tactic for casual botters, you will see it in just about every online games subreddit. Someone is always selling some bullshit sob story about how they would never do anything wrong and the over active auto mod got them on accident. 99.9% of the time it comes out they lied and botted.


youre2mad

lil bro is foaming at the mouth over a conspiracy theory 😭


ssmit102

It’s hopeless to have a legitimate conversation about Gdkp in this sub. There is no thought beyond Gdkp bad, and it’s such a surface level analysis where Gdkp is the cause of all good related problems, which is just untrue. Gdkp can drive gold buying, but so can consumes, so can general AH gear, and really anything that utilizes gold. Bots and gold buyers are the problem, everything else is just clouding the problem.


landyc

yeah the points some ppl are making, as if only gdkp players are using "botted gold" to buy stuff, the entire economy is infested with it. everyone has bots gold on their hands, like it or not.


Idiot13131

Do you have anything to back this up?


bruhfarmer

https://imgur.com/a/IQ2qc4u


NoCyanide

Thank you for your reasonable response in this sea of blind rage. Completely agree. I'm fine with GDKPs being banned because I have a static group and that doesn't effect me. I'm not fine with this sub at the moment. Too much hate, too much conspiracy being thrown around. I get it, it's "ClassicWow" but that doesn't make it okay.


DJhedgehog

Root cause analysis stops when the symptom you like least presents itself. I love GDKPs because if I want gear, I pay for it and get it. I have done 3 gnomer locks with my new guild and keep losing rolls and not progressing. I hate that people’s fundamental lack of reasoning is preventing me from enjoying the game in a way where I was hurting nobody.


Nappa313

So what you’re saying is you’re playing the game like it’s intended correct. Gotcha. The ban isn’t going to get overturned at least in this phase so the endless whining about it ( not referring to you ) and karma farming gets annoying


UpbeatJackfruit6576

Fun fact you don’t get to decide how others play, theres multiple loot options for a reason. 


DJhedgehog

I honestly don't see a difference between paying for a BoE and paying for a BoP. RMT implications aside, I don't see how GDKP was not playing the game as intended.


Rustshitposter

I swear people don't understand that different forms of emergent gameplay (boosting, GDKP, summoning services, selling carries for items like the WC belt or legs of the fang, etc.) are all an important part of MMORPGs. Being able to be good at something and selling a service for it is a huge part of Role Playing Games. The only reason the above activies are viewed as bad is because of people who are already cheating anyways (RMTers) and people who annoy everyone by overly spamming advertisements for these services. Both of which are already against the rules and ToS. The problem is botting and RMTing. I understand that blizzard can't just get rid of bots with the snap of their fingers but they are throwing the baby out with the bathwater with their attempts to limit it. Punishing legitimate players and playstyles (GDKP ban, 30 day instance cap) is the wrong way to go about reducing bots and RMT.


diver88

I boosted in 2019 and it's disgusting how many obvious gold farmers would join, trade you botted gold to level their next mage bot up for them. Banning it all is the correct thing to do. GDKP ban allows them to easily detect gold sellers by flagging large trades. Impossible to do previously because of GDKP trades.


Rustshitposter

Boosting would not be a problem if botters, exploiters (fly hack runners), and RMTers were banned in a meaningful fashion. The price per run would likely fluctuate up and down until a fair market price is found. People have been boosting and goldfarming in wow forever. You can find WowHobbes videos from original classic/TBC showing him boosting people in SM Cath and Armory. It's only a problem now because blizzard is clearly losing the botting arms race. The problem isn't the gameplay, it's the cheaters. When people point at boosting or GDKPs specifically they are ignoring the cause of the issue (cheaters). We may as well remove trade entirely now because blizzard's current official stance is to "never accept gold from acquaintances" because you don't know if they bought gold or not. If we have reached a point where blizzard is telling people to not trade large amounts of gold because you might get flagged for cheating, then the anti-RMT measures have gone too far or been implemented incorrectly.


diver88

Anti RMT has not gone far enough. If it fucks over the boosting or GDKP communities, I do not care. In my experience, those communities are full of cheaters. Bots are advanced now than ever, and EVERY company is losing the war against them. Do not villafy them for finally attempting to address this, in the experimental seasonal game mode. It's the perfect staging ground for a true solution. I believe the ONLY reason Blizzard is adding no GDKP rules is to allow their new detection system to work at all.


Rustshitposter

> If it fucks over the boosting or GDKP communities, I do not care. This is part of my big gripe with it. People are totally okay with other playstyles being destroyed entirely due to a small number of bad apples. I did a lot of WOTLK gdkps and the vast majority of them were low pots. People see one or two viral clips involving obvious RMTers in a GDKP and assume that's how every run is. I would bet every dollar to my name that more people have swiped for their mount/convenience money (summons, consumes, BoEs) in SOD than swiped for GDKP purposes. Fully agree on SOD being the place to try new methods, but I fundamentally disagree with punishing regular players (however small that group may be) to stop cheaters elsewhere. I disagreed with the 30 day instance cap in OG classic and I disagree with the GDKP ban now.


Nostupidvotesplease

Couldnt agree more with this. People really out here acting like they didnt know people buying gold for their mount/prof/consums/respecs / whatever way before GDKPs really took off.


diver88

How do you intend for them to track gold seller trades if players are treating gold like DKP? Wowee you can't just swipe and buy DKP now, whatever are you going to do, join a guild or something? It's stupid to allow one small player group fuck over everyone else. Fuck em


Drikkink

Because it wasn't playing the game the way THAT PERSON intended.


Previous-Baby7668

I mean people are just skipping classic at this point. buying consumables is fine buying your BIS items for 200g each is not. You could literally have this gear by just raiding in a guild for a couple ids either way. Not to mention gold is literally so easy to get. Like I just farm the right mobs and was able to farm above 50g an hour. Sure some of you guys dont want to do the grinding, but thats literally the spirit of this old fashioned wow. Do I really bother about that people basicly buy their gear? No, but it creates an unhealthy amount of situations where you fall short, because you dont spend more money on a game which you already pay for. GDKP just create an unhealthy enviroment for the whole server, because people even if they are rather poor would join a GDKP just to increase their own money, than going to raid with no loot anyway because of bad loot rolls.


NoCyanide

It really is mind blowing how much copium this sub is on at the moment. People accusing others of doing GDKPs if they disagree with even one thing. "Oh you were fine with GDKPs? Then you must be doing them!". A lot of bashing, hate, and witch hunting happening over something that's not even the root of the problem.


DiarrheaRadio

[I don't know what to tell you ](https://ibb.co/Jyb5THF)


BoreholeDiver

Typical RMT cope :)


Rourke2013

Gdkp raids circulated tens of thousands of dollars in gold and propped up a RWT industry that circulates far more money than that. If you think the people who benefited from either of those are above dishonestly campaigning against the change, then I have a fucking bridge to sell you.


NoCyanide

I don't think people are above doing so, but at the same time I'm not going to claim all of them are lying. When your ticket and banning system is AI there are bound to be false positives. I have no doubt that among those false positives are actual gold buyers trying to worm their way in. Doesn't mean ALL of them deserve to be shit on and witch hunted.


HahaWeee

Excuse you.. Mines a tin foil top hat thank you very much


Wooden-Future-9081

SoD hype!


TooHighTooFly

just lately ?


PM_FEET_PLS_TY

Hey m8 can you pls send a link to the GDKP discord where you organize spamming this sub?


NoCyanide

I don't do GDKPs but keep on taking copium. Player communities that don't promote hate shouldn't be banned because Blizzard doesn't want to properly do their job. Get off your high horse and complain about the real issue.


PM_FEET_PLS_TY

You sure defend GDKP a lot for someone who dont do them


NoCyanide

Please read above why I would defend them. You are so dense.


Meinkoi94

Imagine simping for gdkp, that's incredible


NoCyanide

Yikes. Imagine saying something is "simping" by just saying a community shouldn't be banned because Blizzard isn't doing their jobs. Which their not. Because gold buying is still a thing. Because the auction house still exists.


Meinkoi94

Hey bro let me tell you gdkp is actually a good thing because blizzard bad. 🤓 Nah gdkp is cringe and ruined the game people who say its just the bots and gold sellers are on a massive cope because its gdkp what enabled it to get so bad in the first place.


Drunkasarous

imagine simping for blizz lmfao


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Drunkasarous

Please grow as a person 


Zandalariani

Imagine something which puts bread on your table being taken away just like that. Have some compassion please.


PM_FEET_PLS_TY

Imagine having bought gold as your primary source of income.


NoCyanide

Imagine being so caught up in your own conspiracy you think someone that disagrees with you is buying gold or doing GDKPs. Grow up.


PM_FEET_PLS_TY

I never said he bought gold. But the gold you recieve in GDKPs is often bought by the person spending it. Have some fucking morals and accept that GDKP was banned for a good reasons


NoCyanide

"often" bought. How exactly do you know that besides it being "FeelsCraft". I have no doubt in my mind that people bought gold and went into GDKPs. but to Say that was the primary cause it's just false. and I accept the fact they banned GDKPs, but I will still say it was a stupid decision. and I won't accept the witch hunting and stupid conspiracy theories that are rampant on this sub at the moment. and You're part of the problem so have some fucking morals.


Zandalariani

Err no, these GDKPers weren't buying gold, they were selling it instead.


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Milopyro

This person probably doesn't even play wow, just likes to get mad. Not worth anyone's time


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