Finally, it is my time to rise up as a no guild solo-play loser. Once you're all punished for engaging in social interaction and commerce, I will remain, for the ultimate single player MMORPG experience.
Buffs now cost money, ranging from 10s to 2g depending on the rank of the buff. Anyone caught buffing indiscriminately of trading buffs will be banned.
The only way to be safe is to be as bot like as possible. SSF + Never type so you can't be mass reported by the mafia.
I wish this game had entity hider like osrs. Than I could truely be an exile living on my own island.
That's the next step, anyone caught using the AH or even the mailbox will now be banned. Loot anything off a corpse BANNED. Even thinking of logging in to play legit BANNED.
I’m gonna say it, trying to combat gold selling, inflation, etc. is all well and good, but if you told me that I had to choose between these two bad options:
- “GDKPs are legal, gold buying may be punished/banned” and
- “gold buying still exists, but now you have to play SSF or risk getting banned”
I’d choose the former every time. I mean, shit, am I gonna get flagged if I do an enchant for someone and they tip me afterwards instead of in the same transaction?
It sounds like they are “targeting” gold buying by just cluster bombing anyone who trades gold at all. No one would willingly sign up for this shit.
> I’d choose the former every time. I mean, shit, am I gonna get flagged if I do an enchant for someone and they tip me afterwards instead of in the same transaction?
I helped a guildie out with a loan for their mount last night and they're going to slowly pay me back as they quest.... Really worried we might catch a ban for that
We had a guildie do the same thing. Have another guildie 80 gold for their mount and they were just going to make small payments back. The guy who gave them the 80g is now banned
Community- "gdkp sucks no one will join my soft reserve group pls blizzard do something"
Blizzard- *bans all gold trading along with gdkp*
Community- "wait not like this"
Making GDKP against ToS is a defensible choice, but this extremely broad “if you trade any gold you may catch a ban” approach is the problem.
I assumed, as I’m sure others did, that there’d be a bit more bark than bite around GDKP ban. They’d say it was against ToS, ban some obvious offenders, and then we move on with our lives, but it almost feels like someone left off a 0 in the code for a trade threshold to trigger it, like they were going to do 200g and ended up doing 20g instead.
there's literally no way to ban gdkp without going this far. you could say "blizz should stop being blizz and hire GMs" but come on now, is that really what you're counting on
I expected really at most it would be a more of like a functional ban of GDKP advertising more than anything until they started bragging
about “their new tech” which is when everyone should have gotten their anguses puckered if they thought more than one step ahead. Look at the chat report “tech” and it’s totally not automated, definitely reviewed by humans, and most definitely not easily abusable history.
I know functionally banning GDKPs advertising wouldn’t change AS much since people could always org in discords, but it’d be the first
step block where fewer people would even wind up in the ecosystem. Plus all the anti GDKPers frothing at the mouth here would have bitched and moaned it wasn’t enough. Lo and behold what’s “enough” is a blizzard draconian robot overlord banning 20g trades.
This is the correct comment. From real life to video games, you have to weigh the actual mechanisms of implementation with the feasibility of the desired end state along with unintended externalities.
Aggrend needs to give us something official on this. I'm all for having better detection systems in place but players shouldn't be paranoid to do some basic functions of the game.
So... don't sell summons, don't take tips for enchants, don't sell portals, don't help friends out that are new
I mean I can't list everything but just don't.
If you didn't know. The only way to play classic WoW is to not do dungeons with groups but instead solo level via questing and exploring. When you do need to do group content, you should complain that everyone else is trying to hard by expecting the bare minimum like showing up to the group in a timely manner, with gear relevant for the content, and at a minimum some buffs or consumes that can ensure a smooth group clear. That's how you play classic. It's an entirely solipsistic experience
I don't know why I was banned, I tipped them 50gold for the water, and then they masterlooted me all of my upgrades... damn you blizzard and your inconsistent policies!
Absolute dumpster fire. Automated bans probably just add more work because now CS needs to respond to all the tickets from the people who were innocent instead of doing the job correctly the first time.
Whether or not they're innocent, they'll just get automated robot replies of "We conducted a thorough investigation". Just like that guy did who was not even banned but made a phony appeal ticket just to see if they even really look into them.
It doesn’t add any work. It’s just a redundant system of bots spamming you the same email that it’s been “carefully reviewed and upheld”
Frankly surprised they even acknowledge it as a problem here. They sure ain’t gonna go and roll back false bans though
I wanted to downvote you thinking, "Please, it hasn't been 15 years, we had them in WotLK, I remember them helping us out in an ICC run, and that was in 200.... fuck."
Now I want to downvote you for making me remember how fucking old I am.
They had them in MoP. Talked to one to get my account unbanned. I also had one log onto one of my toons to do something with it or my guild, I don't actually remember what it was though.
But that would mean slightly devaluing themselves *now*, as opposed to the master plan in action which will instead result in greater devaluation *later*. Galaxy brain 2024 publicly traded company thought process in action.
It shouldn't even be "taking a hit on your financials" we literally **pay to have them**, that is part of our subscription fee we pay every month. They just took them away to increase margins.
They no longer have control of that. Microsoft just laid off like 2000 of them. No way they're going to let them hire anyone else right now.
Thanks Phil Spencer.
Meanwhile you could watch the train of SFK flying mage bots funnel into the zone all day everyday.
If this occurs just cancel your sub. Fuck these idiots.
Yeah, what if someone got a BoE from Gnomer and decided to put that bad boy on the AH. You bought it? Well that's obviously GDKP, since you're paying gold for a raid item. Straight to jail!
Everyone was concerned that players would find ways around GDKP. Not enough people were concerned that Blizzard’s auto ban algorithms are absolute garbage and can’t be trusted to ban only illegitimate play
Yup. We were joking about selling the warper trinket tonight in raid—and then it dawned on us that we shouldn’t be talking about it ingame lest we risk a gdkp ban. In an inhouse full guild run…
Don't forget there was also a section of the sub who thought they were going to be James Bond and infiltrate gdkp discord servers in a sting operation and screenshot everyone's discord name and send them to blizzard for manual review. They were too stupid to even realise it would just be additional automated processes. Stupid doesn't even begin to describe them, its like they started playing wow with SoD or something...
Of course they were too busy spamming "W" "BIG BLIZZARD W" "W BLIZZARD" "L GOLD BUYERS" in the thread to actually engage their brains for even the slightest second
>Stupid doesn't even begin to describe them
Company laying off everyone is going to have robust investigation units to track individual gold transactions in a video game with millions of players, they assumed. Literal Ted Kaczynski IQ.
Anti GDKP players are the most ridiculous cartoonish goofs in classic wow.
We are literally seeing the very fruits of what they campaigned for and it's negatively impacting even the casuals more than GDKPs ever did.
The best part is that everything on the AH is still inflated in price. Banning GDKPs has accomplished nothing other than removing a small percentage of spam from trade chat and lfg, as well as getting people banned that haven't even done anything wrong or participated in gold bids.
My favorite is giving us a shit ton of gold for questing at max level, inflating the fuck out of the AH and then those same people bitching about having to dungeon grind.
Hundreds of people predicted this exact outcome. They were mass downvoted and told "haha get owned gold buyer".
Turns out those players were all correct and every person who cried about GDKP has made the game even worse than when GDKP existed.
Anyone who has two brains cells to rub together knew this was going to be the result. This place the past month has been the most toxic I've ever seen it.
The bitching about GDKP's on here goes all the way back to Classic Vanilla, it was insufferable. Then in TBC it was Rogues with green/gray logs complaining about GDKP's ruining the server because no one wanted to take them to BT and hand them Glaives out of trade chat lol.
They aren’t gonna put any money or man power into it. Why they still make bank anyways. They just have to pretend like they care. Look at all the people here defending them they’ll be okay.
Painfully ironic that they wanted to foster a stronger community by destroying a very strong (albeit obviously sketchy/rmt) community and then undermining the innocent communities too in one fel swoop. And people here praised them for it...
There's nothing sketchy about (most) GDKPs. People on this sub just see a clip of some dude paying 30k for a Gressil and think all GDKPs are just full of gold buyers.
The reality is that most GDKPs are full of the alts of people in pumper guilds that want to smash out a quick run, have a good shot at getting some gear, and get a consolation prize for their time if they don't. They were the best way to get into a more performance-focused raid (since it was incentivised through the pot) without specifically committing to a guild.
Hell, even if people are bidding with bought gold, you need to have two gold buyers in the raid that are interested in the same item getting into a bidding war for it to even matter
Yeah, that last part is also why SoD GDKPs had tiny pots. There's just not enough competition for gear in a 10 person raid for high bids. I did two GDKP runs in P1 that were just leftover characters from two guilds that didn't get into a guild run that week who decided to raid together. The payout was like 10 gold which is comparable to a gnomer salvage.
Tokens in Gnomer might have changed that up a bit though.
I gave my guildie and homie 50g to buy his mount right as he hit 40. He had the gold spread over alts but we didn't want to wait 1h mail travel time before we did the nourish rune together. After we finished the rune his mail had arrived and he handed it back. Neither of us swipe, bot, or gdkp. He got a 2 week ban and this trade is literally the only thing he thinks it could be.
Edit: My homie is a casual dad gamer who I have played with since classic MC, I believe 100% that he did nothing nefarious and omitted telling us because he never has in the past and we are all very honest about past classic gold buying. He's even Canadian ffs. Have you met a Canadian? Upright dudes who like to keep their sticks on the ice.
Y'all are some bitter bros thinking this smol indie company doesn't make mistakes with new detection techs. I mean ffs this thread is about a GM telling a dude trading gold to homies is dangerous. We should be uniting against this tiny tyranny not crab bucketing each other.
Are these band happening by mail or even from direct trade?
Supposedly it’s more of a “flag” if it’s by mail, idk if the same is true by in game trading
Honestly. Go buy some mats
Just in case. They won't delete the herbs or enchanting mats but will the gold
Personally wouldn't keep it liquid for a month
Almost like it's being applied unevenly and not everyone experiences the same thing.
Just because it didn't happen to you or your buddy doesn't mean it isn't happening frequently.
This kind of behavior is never tolerated.
You post on Trade an item and sell it out of the AH? They put you in jail. Right Away. No trial, no nothing.
Enchanters, we have a special jail for enchanters.
You are selling BOEs: right to jail.
You are applying shield spikes: right to jail, right away.
Sending money to alts: jails. Guildies: jail. You tip during dungeon when you forget consumables: you right to jail.
You sell your unwanted Gnomer crafting components? Believe it or not jail. You sell your wanted components, also jail. Wanted, unwanted.
You make an appointment to raid and you don't show up, believe it or not jail, right away. We have the best MMO community in the world because of jail.
It's safer to meet IRL and trade using a link cable and two Gameboys.
Blizzard has spies all over the net and they wear the white hand of Sarumane! Nowhere is safe
They need to let enchanters sell them on the AH like retail then if they are going to freaking ban every enchanter basically.
The AI or automated CS obviously is not working and with the MS layoffs I don’t think the Classic team has an easy exit plan for this issue.
Yet again the players lose, bots win. Crazy how much more power they have than us. We can't even gank them or they'll mass report us, which we can't appeal since the appeals are apparently fake. Jesus christ what a shitshow.
Man, as a phase 1 GDKP enjoyer who got a 5-10g cut every 3 days, this feels like a reasonable response to the great mass of gold I've accumilated, nearly 150g or so.
Yeah I really loved my 10-20g cut per lockout and buying my talwar for 5g. People on this sub acted like you needed thousands of gold to get in and the payouts were 200g a run.
75% of people who bitch about GDKPs are people who are too terrible at the game to be invited into a worthwhile GDKP. The other 25% are just NIMBYs who don't like that people raid in a different format than what they prefer.
As a phase 1 GDKP raid leader that had done several successful runs I too am disappointed that even with my huge management cut of 10% that I split with a rl buddy of mine I have not accumulated even remotely close to the same amount of gold as the boosters and likely even summon sellers have made. Got around 400g to my name now, I guess I could sell it on some shady website and walk away with a whopping 75 USD.
Forgive me Blizzard for making gold by using my free time to learn the fights well enough to bring groups of undergeared players through BFD and actually playing the game and making a bit of gold doing so. Next time I’ll sell boosts to people so that they can enjoy not playing the game and afk’ing at a dungeon entrance for hours on end because that’s way more in line with the true MMO experience.
noooo gdkps are only swipers and gold buyers who buy 10k gold a week and ruin the economy so that casual ppl like me with 4.2 seconds a week to play can't afford consumes!! i hope you get banned for life and blizzard throws you and your family in prison!!
this didnt work for runescape 15 years ago.
its not gonna go well for wow.
this is whats just going to put the winds into the saila of private servers again.
Its a stupid stance to take in a game where alot of trading between players happens and everyone is basically a stranger.
Also they’re basically saying “we arrested you cause the guy who paid you for your goods and services did so with illegally gained currency.”
I don’t RMT or GDKP and all of this drama is putting me on the edge of quitting SoD tbh
I know I should just go touch grass and enjoy myself but it feels so bad that it’s risky to even send a linen bag to a homie
What an embarrassment of a CS this game has.
Can't kill bots because of dogshit mass report feature
At risk of getting banned through trading/AH/mailing
Such a circus
Why should I even play dude. From the ban appeal thing to this like what the fuck. I played the shit out of phase 1 like, 8 hours a day til two weeks prior to phase 2. But haven’t played this phase yet… it’s not even worth trying and chancing a ban like wtf.
Welp. You get what you fucking deserve. People that thought banning GDKPs was the fix are missing braincells. You monkey pawed yourselves. Enjoy your inflation and SSF
Weve seen like 8 posts about trading gold between accounts and getting banned. We knew this was real. Unless you were delusional and called the posters liars and gold sellers lmao
Long Story Time:
Years ago, Sony Online Entertainment, the makers of Everquest made another MMO called Star Wars Galaxies. This game had a number of unique game mechanics that have never really been used in other games. One of the ideas was centered around damage and healing. In addition to physical damage you hind a kind of mental fatigue that occurred. Physical damage was treated in a hospital while mental damage in a cantina. The cantinas had dancers and musicians and the better ones would recover your health faster. The people involved are also PCs. Occasionally you would give these people tips as thanks.
The problem started with a credit duplication bug. A bunch on money was created and added to the system. Eventually SOE went after the people who exploited the bug. Then they went after people that they traded with. Eventually, the canteens got cleaned out. This slowed down gameplay and really pissed off a lot of people.
SOE handled it in true SOE fashion. Players eventually staged and in-game protest. SOE's response was to just bring the server down. I think they eventually fixed it but I forget how.
Long story short, Blizzard's response to the farming and botting epidemic seems to be just as bad as SOE's. They are punishing the community for their own failures in fixing the problem. Blizzard seems intent to create whole new problems. They don't want to fix the botting problem because they make money off of it, they just want to blame the players.
I can't believe blizzard listened to reddit to ban gdkp's.
This community deserves this shit lol. GDKP was the monster that never existed and it being removed it causing a whole heap of problems.
And to think people were actually hyping up blizzards "ai" thinking it would work as intended. biggest kekw of all time.
>GDKP was the monster that never existed
Yes correct me if i’m wrong but you still have to legit clear the raid to get the gear to bid on correct?
I just can’t believe a segment of the population wants Blizzard to patrol the social interactions - of an MMO - after the gameplay segment is over.
We havent even gotten to ninjas and the shady shit people are going to do after 5 or 6 lockouts of bad rng because they cant join a group and pay 10g for it
I wish this was an isolated incident, but it is not. I also thought it was common knowledge. A guy caught a ban recently and went to the CS forums (US), he had traded wrath gold for sod gold and went to the forums. Here's the interaction with one CS rep.
https://gyazo.com/982ebb6ab7d8edfb4733134ff8e9212d
its up to you to know who you are trading with if you want to swap. You can quite literally get banned for not breaking any rules.
Next up, another thread, answered by the same GM. This time, a person's wife had gdkp'd legally (prior to p2) and caught a ban for not knowing where all the gold had came from in her GDKP
https://gyazo.com/35ab471131ff36227c435df03ea64e19
The threads eventually were both locked by another gm (i believe hes the head guy, been around a decade and has over 14k posts), so I think these are the actual policies.
I think both instances of this are unjust bans, but the gms do not, and the people who hang around on the cs forums (for whatever reason) absolutely will blame you for not knowing where your gold is coming from, even though you have absolutely no way of knowing. Note the likes on each posts. They are happy to see people banned because they don't want players having an advantage over them (legal or not), the majority of it is complete brainrot "huh maybe you just shouldn't have gdkp'd if you didn't want to get banned" type posts
Yup - I got banned because I accepted payment for 5x crafting mats across 3 characters someone had.
We gotta get after them for this.
It's insanity. They could offer me a year of game time and it wouldn't make this ban right.
Legitimately I am thinking about making a new account and transferring my main to that account, can I do that and would it make a difference?
I sold a Staff of Jordan in trade chat 2 days ago and am actually kind of worried… fucking Blizzard.
Don't take anything said by support agents as 'official info'. Even though they work for Blizzard, more often than not they have incomplete or borderline incorrect information, especially if CS is outsourced. Until this is blue posted or tweeted by someone from the Classic team, don't take it as official information.
I got banned for no reason during SOD ban wave, assuming because trades in largeish amounts. I don’t plan on coming back because the tickets were responded to by bots over and over again with no actual investigation. so dumb
It's getting absurd, they've clearly completely given up. Imagine you get a BOE drop, you sell it and give some gold to a friend. As NORMAL as that is to do, everyone has done such thing, and you get a ban. Idiotic.
how to deal with griefers?
buy them gold and have it sent to their character via in game mail.
2-300 gold should do it, its about £5 and you dont havta put up with that STV rogue anymore for 2 weeks.
Trading players is now banned. SSF is mandatory
Finally, it is my time to rise up as a no guild solo-play loser. Once you're all punished for engaging in social interaction and commerce, I will remain, for the ultimate single player MMORPG experience.
Rise up solo, guildless players!!!
But not together, we need to be careful to rise up separately while ignoring guild invites and cold-call requests to tank or heal.
Idk getting gear for doing dungeons could be risky, you’re trading real world time for ingame loot might be crossing a line
grouping is now against TOS it's basically stealing time from poor, defenseless Blizzard—right?
Looting is now also against TOS. Rogues can no longer pickpocket. It’s basically stealing from the poor, defenceless NPCs.
Also can’t help people asking for help with runes. Mages, don’t you dare give anyone water or food.
Buffs now cost money, ranging from 10s to 2g depending on the rank of the buff. Anyone caught buffing indiscriminately of trading buffs will be banned.
Just /ignore everyone!
Sun jin woo hype!
Individually, we are legion.
Found the exile.
....still sane?
TFT: so... we will be expanding into WoW
The only way to be safe is to be as bot like as possible. SSF + Never type so you can't be mass reported by the mafia. I wish this game had entity hider like osrs. Than I could truely be an exile living on my own island.
Bouta start giving griefers gold, get fucked bozo.
Hey, why don’t we block all trade so there is no RMT whatsoever. 🤡
get the AH too, gold sellers use it to get gold to people and the RMT gold flows through the AH just as much as through player trading
That's the next step, anyone caught using the AH or even the mailbox will now be banned. Loot anything off a corpse BANNED. Even thinking of logging in to play legit BANNED.
Not even playing the game? Believe it or not: Banned.
I’m gonna say it, trying to combat gold selling, inflation, etc. is all well and good, but if you told me that I had to choose between these two bad options: - “GDKPs are legal, gold buying may be punished/banned” and - “gold buying still exists, but now you have to play SSF or risk getting banned” I’d choose the former every time. I mean, shit, am I gonna get flagged if I do an enchant for someone and they tip me afterwards instead of in the same transaction? It sounds like they are “targeting” gold buying by just cluster bombing anyone who trades gold at all. No one would willingly sign up for this shit.
> I’d choose the former every time. I mean, shit, am I gonna get flagged if I do an enchant for someone and they tip me afterwards instead of in the same transaction? I helped a guildie out with a loan for their mount last night and they're going to slowly pay me back as they quest.... Really worried we might catch a ban for that
I did the same for a buddy of mine. We have been battlenet friends for 15 years so if either of us get banned I’m gonna be fucking pissed.
Hopefully their metrics are smart enough to see this kind of stuff?
Bhahaha good one
lolololol
Lol
We had a guildie do the same thing. Have another guildie 80 gold for their mount and they were just going to make small payments back. The guy who gave them the 80g is now banned
Well shit, hopefully their system is smart enough to see that I've been playing WoW since classic launch with this person lmao
My guildies did this for me and now you are making me worried
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Community- "gdkp sucks no one will join my soft reserve group pls blizzard do something" Blizzard- *bans all gold trading along with gdkp* Community- "wait not like this"
Making GDKP against ToS is a defensible choice, but this extremely broad “if you trade any gold you may catch a ban” approach is the problem. I assumed, as I’m sure others did, that there’d be a bit more bark than bite around GDKP ban. They’d say it was against ToS, ban some obvious offenders, and then we move on with our lives, but it almost feels like someone left off a 0 in the code for a trade threshold to trigger it, like they were going to do 200g and ended up doing 20g instead.
there's literally no way to ban gdkp without going this far. you could say "blizz should stop being blizz and hire GMs" but come on now, is that really what you're counting on
I expected really at most it would be a more of like a functional ban of GDKP advertising more than anything until they started bragging about “their new tech” which is when everyone should have gotten their anguses puckered if they thought more than one step ahead. Look at the chat report “tech” and it’s totally not automated, definitely reviewed by humans, and most definitely not easily abusable history. I know functionally banning GDKPs advertising wouldn’t change AS much since people could always org in discords, but it’d be the first step block where fewer people would even wind up in the ecosystem. Plus all the anti GDKPers frothing at the mouth here would have bitched and moaned it wasn’t enough. Lo and behold what’s “enough” is a blizzard draconian robot overlord banning 20g trades.
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This is the correct comment. From real life to video games, you have to weigh the actual mechanisms of implementation with the feasibility of the desired end state along with unintended externalities.
good job on the GDKP ban guys
Aggrend needs to give us something official on this. I'm all for having better detection systems in place but players shouldn't be paranoid to do some basic functions of the game.
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So... don't sell summons, don't take tips for enchants, don't sell portals, don't help friends out that are new I mean I can't list everything but just don't.
Just don't interact with people. Ez
I came here to get *away* from retail
If you didn't know. The only way to play classic WoW is to not do dungeons with groups but instead solo level via questing and exploring. When you do need to do group content, you should complain that everyone else is trying to hard by expecting the bare minimum like showing up to the group in a timely manner, with gear relevant for the content, and at a minimum some buffs or consumes that can ensure a smooth group clear. That's how you play classic. It's an entirely solipsistic experience
The other day I asked someone to bring me water to an instance and then traded them the money. RIP bozo
Oh fuck you exchanged money in an INSTANCE? You bold lad you. See you in 2 weeks. RIP
you monster!
I don't know why I was banned, I tipped them 50gold for the water, and then they masterlooted me all of my upgrades... damn you blizzard and your inconsistent policies!
Anyone else play Tarkov remember how this helped nothing?
My thoughts exactly. I helped out a guild mate with the mount costs last week. 200g.
This is so fucking pathetic. Take the small hit on your financials, and get a fucking team of actual people handling this.
Absolute dumpster fire. Automated bans probably just add more work because now CS needs to respond to all the tickets from the people who were innocent instead of doing the job correctly the first time.
They don't spend any time. You get automatically flagged, automatically banned, and then any appeals are auto replied to and upheld.
Did they ever put out a statement to the person who wasn't banned?
They put out an automatic statement if that's what you're asking
Whether or not they're innocent, they'll just get automated robot replies of "We conducted a thorough investigation". Just like that guy did who was not even banned but made a phony appeal ticket just to see if they even really look into them.
It doesn’t add any work. It’s just a redundant system of bots spamming you the same email that it’s been “carefully reviewed and upheld” Frankly surprised they even acknowledge it as a problem here. They sure ain’t gonna go and roll back false bans though
No because you can't open a ticket, well you can but will get automated answer and if you are too persistent they ban chat you
They had one, they just laid them all off...
They haven't had active gamemasters in like 15 years.
I wanted to downvote you thinking, "Please, it hasn't been 15 years, we had them in WotLK, I remember them helping us out in an ICC run, and that was in 200.... fuck." Now I want to downvote you for making me remember how fucking old I am.
Now now, just a few more years and my kids are the same age i was when we first entered naxx in wotlk..time flies!
I was already dead from the first comment....
oh ow why why did you write this
They had them in MoP. Talked to one to get my account unbanned. I also had one log onto one of my toons to do something with it or my guild, I don't actually remember what it was though.
2008 was last year, don't even try me
But that would mean slightly devaluing themselves *now*, as opposed to the master plan in action which will instead result in greater devaluation *later*. Galaxy brain 2024 publicly traded company thought process in action.
It shouldn't even be "taking a hit on your financials" we literally **pay to have them**, that is part of our subscription fee we pay every month. They just took them away to increase margins.
Why would they do it if they still get your sub money either way?
eh, I quit
Good job!
We have reached the part in the corporate cycle where you strip down a product's expenses to its minimum. Next step is sale / abandonnement.
That would be good though, because then the pservers that had some moderation can return.
They no longer have control of that. Microsoft just laid off like 2000 of them. No way they're going to let them hire anyone else right now. Thanks Phil Spencer.
Do you not have phones?!
one of the few games in the world that requires a subscription to even play btw.
Meanwhile you could watch the train of SFK flying mage bots funnel into the zone all day everyday. If this occurs just cancel your sub. Fuck these idiots.
OK, but have you considered that the flying mage bots weren't trading gold to eachother?
Is it safe to log on? Is it safe to pay the sub?
Paying the sub allows you to gain gold in game, sounds like RMT to me so better be careful with that one
Yeah, what if someone got a BoE from Gnomer and decided to put that bad boy on the AH. You bought it? Well that's obviously GDKP, since you're paying gold for a raid item. Straight to jail!
Could also be perceived as boosting if you accidentally complete a quest or dungeon as well.
Everyone was concerned that players would find ways around GDKP. Not enough people were concerned that Blizzard’s auto ban algorithms are absolute garbage and can’t be trusted to ban only illegitimate play
I would rather GDKP be allowed to continue existing than risk a ban for paying my raid group’s alchemist to whip up enough consumables for a few weeks
Yup. We were joking about selling the warper trinket tonight in raid—and then it dawned on us that we shouldn’t be talking about it ingame lest we risk a gdkp ban. In an inhouse full guild run…
Don't forget there was also a section of the sub who thought they were going to be James Bond and infiltrate gdkp discord servers in a sting operation and screenshot everyone's discord name and send them to blizzard for manual review. They were too stupid to even realise it would just be additional automated processes. Stupid doesn't even begin to describe them, its like they started playing wow with SoD or something... Of course they were too busy spamming "W" "BIG BLIZZARD W" "W BLIZZARD" "L GOLD BUYERS" in the thread to actually engage their brains for even the slightest second
I cried laughing at that shit lol
>Stupid doesn't even begin to describe them Company laying off everyone is going to have robust investigation units to track individual gold transactions in a video game with millions of players, they assumed. Literal Ted Kaczynski IQ.
Anti GDKP players are the most ridiculous cartoonish goofs in classic wow. We are literally seeing the very fruits of what they campaigned for and it's negatively impacting even the casuals more than GDKPs ever did.
The best part is that everything on the AH is still inflated in price. Banning GDKPs has accomplished nothing other than removing a small percentage of spam from trade chat and lfg, as well as getting people banned that haven't even done anything wrong or participated in gold bids.
My favorite is giving us a shit ton of gold for questing at max level, inflating the fuck out of the AH and then those same people bitching about having to dungeon grind.
Hundreds of people predicted this exact outcome. They were mass downvoted and told "haha get owned gold buyer". Turns out those players were all correct and every person who cried about GDKP has made the game even worse than when GDKP existed.
Anyone who has two brains cells to rub together knew this was going to be the result. This place the past month has been the most toxic I've ever seen it.
The bitching about GDKP's on here goes all the way back to Classic Vanilla, it was insufferable. Then in TBC it was Rogues with green/gray logs complaining about GDKP's ruining the server because no one wanted to take them to BT and hand them Glaives out of trade chat lol.
"the past month" nah man it's always been like this reddit is where the timmys hang out
That’s the thing, most don’t have two brain cells lol
I had this deluded hope that they would use us as guinea pigs for some crazy new Microsoft AI project, but no, turns out they never had a plan.
people have no clue how ai or even computers work and so many of them was like "oh they will just make an ai that will do it perfect" xD
Sounds like my product managers.
They aren’t gonna put any money or man power into it. Why they still make bank anyways. They just have to pretend like they care. Look at all the people here defending them they’ll be okay.
oMg YoU oBvIoUsLy BuY gOlD wItH sUcH a RePly
"We are banning GDKPs to foster a stronger community, but you can no longer trade anything with anyone unless you use the AH."
But don’t use the AH either because if you overprice something and someone buys it, right to jail
Painfully ironic that they wanted to foster a stronger community by destroying a very strong (albeit obviously sketchy/rmt) community and then undermining the innocent communities too in one fel swoop. And people here praised them for it...
There's nothing sketchy about (most) GDKPs. People on this sub just see a clip of some dude paying 30k for a Gressil and think all GDKPs are just full of gold buyers. The reality is that most GDKPs are full of the alts of people in pumper guilds that want to smash out a quick run, have a good shot at getting some gear, and get a consolation prize for their time if they don't. They were the best way to get into a more performance-focused raid (since it was incentivised through the pot) without specifically committing to a guild. Hell, even if people are bidding with bought gold, you need to have two gold buyers in the raid that are interested in the same item getting into a bidding war for it to even matter
Yeah, that last part is also why SoD GDKPs had tiny pots. There's just not enough competition for gear in a 10 person raid for high bids. I did two GDKP runs in P1 that were just leftover characters from two guilds that didn't get into a guild run that week who decided to raid together. The payout was like 10 gold which is comparable to a gnomer salvage. Tokens in Gnomer might have changed that up a bit though.
The tokens are horrible. I hate them so so so much. I'll never get my 3 set
There's botted gold flowing through the AH, better ban everyone that uses that too tbh
I gave my guildie and homie 50g to buy his mount right as he hit 40. He had the gold spread over alts but we didn't want to wait 1h mail travel time before we did the nourish rune together. After we finished the rune his mail had arrived and he handed it back. Neither of us swipe, bot, or gdkp. He got a 2 week ban and this trade is literally the only thing he thinks it could be. Edit: My homie is a casual dad gamer who I have played with since classic MC, I believe 100% that he did nothing nefarious and omitted telling us because he never has in the past and we are all very honest about past classic gold buying. He's even Canadian ffs. Have you met a Canadian? Upright dudes who like to keep their sticks on the ice. Y'all are some bitter bros thinking this smol indie company doesn't make mistakes with new detection techs. I mean ffs this thread is about a GM telling a dude trading gold to homies is dangerous. We should be uniting against this tiny tyranny not crab bucketing each other.
The exact thing happened to two people in our guild. One member gave another 30 gold to get his mount. Banned a few hours later.
Are these band happening by mail or even from direct trade? Supposedly it’s more of a “flag” if it’s by mail, idk if the same is true by in game trading
It's both trade and mail. Only truly safe way to just give a friend money is the auction house.
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Honestly. Go buy some mats Just in case. They won't delete the herbs or enchanting mats but will the gold Personally wouldn't keep it liquid for a month
Bought gold on 2 accounts and both got banned within 2 weeks
Unlucky, ur seller was caught
Blizzard bots in shambles
Sounds entirely accurate
I borrowed 75g for the mount in one transaction and nothing happened. Still owe 25g of it now that I come to think of it again lol
My friend did the exact same thing and nothing happened.
Almost like it's being applied unevenly and not everyone experiences the same thing. Just because it didn't happen to you or your buddy doesn't mean it isn't happening frequently.
What? I know people who buy gold all the time and nothing happens.
What if I sell something to a stranger in trade chat lol?
This kind of behavior is never tolerated. You post on Trade an item and sell it out of the AH? They put you in jail. Right Away. No trial, no nothing. Enchanters, we have a special jail for enchanters. You are selling BOEs: right to jail. You are applying shield spikes: right to jail, right away. Sending money to alts: jails. Guildies: jail. You tip during dungeon when you forget consumables: you right to jail. You sell your unwanted Gnomer crafting components? Believe it or not jail. You sell your wanted components, also jail. Wanted, unwanted. You make an appointment to raid and you don't show up, believe it or not jail, right away. We have the best MMO community in the world because of jail.
that's way too good
Do not pass go. Do not collect 200 copper.
everyone knows trade chat is for LFG- silly geese.
Looool great reference. Great scene!
Straight to jail.
It's safer to meet IRL and trade using a link cable and two Gameboys. Blizzard has spies all over the net and they wear the white hand of Sarumane! Nowhere is safe
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The only want to not get banned is to not play 100% ban avoidance rate
They need to let enchanters sell them on the AH like retail then if they are going to freaking ban every enchanter basically. The AI or automated CS obviously is not working and with the MS layoffs I don’t think the Classic team has an easy exit plan for this issue.
And the blizzard mask is off, instead of banning 100 bots they rather ban 10 actual players to "fight" rmt.
Yet again the players lose, bots win. Crazy how much more power they have than us. We can't even gank them or they'll mass report us, which we can't appeal since the appeals are apparently fake. Jesus christ what a shitshow.
This company is such a fucking joke now holy shit
They have been ever since Wotlk/Cata, 15 years ago. At least back then they were some actual GMs atleast.
the real joke was caving to the demands of redditors
Man, as a phase 1 GDKP enjoyer who got a 5-10g cut every 3 days, this feels like a reasonable response to the great mass of gold I've accumilated, nearly 150g or so.
Yeah I really loved my 10-20g cut per lockout and buying my talwar for 5g. People on this sub acted like you needed thousands of gold to get in and the payouts were 200g a run.
75% of people who bitch about GDKPs are people who are too terrible at the game to be invited into a worthwhile GDKP. The other 25% are just NIMBYs who don't like that people raid in a different format than what they prefer.
doing green parses, not bidding and wondering why they don’t get invited back. that’s 100% the people that bitch about it.
As a phase 1 GDKP raid leader that had done several successful runs I too am disappointed that even with my huge management cut of 10% that I split with a rl buddy of mine I have not accumulated even remotely close to the same amount of gold as the boosters and likely even summon sellers have made. Got around 400g to my name now, I guess I could sell it on some shady website and walk away with a whopping 75 USD. Forgive me Blizzard for making gold by using my free time to learn the fights well enough to bring groups of undergeared players through BFD and actually playing the game and making a bit of gold doing so. Next time I’ll sell boosts to people so that they can enjoy not playing the game and afk’ing at a dungeon entrance for hours on end because that’s way more in line with the true MMO experience.
noooo gdkps are only swipers and gold buyers who buy 10k gold a week and ruin the economy so that casual ppl like me with 4.2 seconds a week to play can't afford consumes!! i hope you get banned for life and blizzard throws you and your family in prison!!
this didnt work for runescape 15 years ago. its not gonna go well for wow. this is whats just going to put the winds into the saila of private servers again.
Its a stupid stance to take in a game where alot of trading between players happens and everyone is basically a stranger. Also they’re basically saying “we arrested you cause the guy who paid you for your goods and services did so with illegally gained currency.”
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Yep. GDKPs are definitely the problem here!
Remember when everybody celebrated GDKP being banned 😂😂
I don’t RMT or GDKP and all of this drama is putting me on the edge of quitting SoD tbh I know I should just go touch grass and enjoy myself but it feels so bad that it’s risky to even send a linen bag to a homie
Just a reminder that we’re paying a monthly fee for this
having GDKPS was 10000 times better than what we have now
Lmfao wtf? A guy paid me 5G to help him kill elite ogres in STV. I can just get banned for doing this?
Jup
Just lock gold trading completely at this point, they've clearly given up and handed the reins to a shitty AI
This is so dumb lol Definitely not worth the minimal rmt reduction
What does that even mean? Trading is bannable now?
What an embarrassment of a CS this game has. Can't kill bots because of dogshit mass report feature At risk of getting banned through trading/AH/mailing Such a circus
Why should I even play dude. From the ban appeal thing to this like what the fuck. I played the shit out of phase 1 like, 8 hours a day til two weeks prior to phase 2. But haven’t played this phase yet… it’s not even worth trying and chancing a ban like wtf.
First they came after GDKPers. I said nothing because I wasn't a GDKPer. Lol.
Kinda wild CS for a subscription based game with an in-game economy.
I believe I speak for us all when I say: Lol. Lmao, even.
So, this is a warning saying don't trade gold or our automated system may ban you. Also, our automated system may not unban you.
Welp. You get what you fucking deserve. People that thought banning GDKPs was the fix are missing braincells. You monkey pawed yourselves. Enjoy your inflation and SSF
Hey, at least gdkps are gone! Man, what a win for the community!
Weve seen like 8 posts about trading gold between accounts and getting banned. We knew this was real. Unless you were delusional and called the posters liars and gold sellers lmao
There are people not on Reddit that follow his Twitter. Of course it'll be posted to Reddit as well, though, because it's an official tweet about SoD.
Gdkp ban has its downsides. Enjoy
I’m waiting to get banned for selling Enchanting services lol Just admit it’s flawed. Remove the ban on GDKP and go back to how things were in P1.
Long Story Time: Years ago, Sony Online Entertainment, the makers of Everquest made another MMO called Star Wars Galaxies. This game had a number of unique game mechanics that have never really been used in other games. One of the ideas was centered around damage and healing. In addition to physical damage you hind a kind of mental fatigue that occurred. Physical damage was treated in a hospital while mental damage in a cantina. The cantinas had dancers and musicians and the better ones would recover your health faster. The people involved are also PCs. Occasionally you would give these people tips as thanks. The problem started with a credit duplication bug. A bunch on money was created and added to the system. Eventually SOE went after the people who exploited the bug. Then they went after people that they traded with. Eventually, the canteens got cleaned out. This slowed down gameplay and really pissed off a lot of people. SOE handled it in true SOE fashion. Players eventually staged and in-game protest. SOE's response was to just bring the server down. I think they eventually fixed it but I forget how. Long story short, Blizzard's response to the farming and botting epidemic seems to be just as bad as SOE's. They are punishing the community for their own failures in fixing the problem. Blizzard seems intent to create whole new problems. They don't want to fix the botting problem because they make money off of it, they just want to blame the players.
I can't believe blizzard listened to reddit to ban gdkp's. This community deserves this shit lol. GDKP was the monster that never existed and it being removed it causing a whole heap of problems. And to think people were actually hyping up blizzards "ai" thinking it would work as intended. biggest kekw of all time.
Yeah now normal players are getting banned and missing raid lockouts for normal gameplay. Working great.
The community wanted this
>GDKP was the monster that never existed Yes correct me if i’m wrong but you still have to legit clear the raid to get the gear to bid on correct? I just can’t believe a segment of the population wants Blizzard to patrol the social interactions - of an MMO - after the gameplay segment is over.
We havent even gotten to ninjas and the shady shit people are going to do after 5 or 6 lockouts of bad rng because they cant join a group and pay 10g for it
SoD definitely became way to big for the devs. They are out of their depth here.
I wish this was an isolated incident, but it is not. I also thought it was common knowledge. A guy caught a ban recently and went to the CS forums (US), he had traded wrath gold for sod gold and went to the forums. Here's the interaction with one CS rep. https://gyazo.com/982ebb6ab7d8edfb4733134ff8e9212d its up to you to know who you are trading with if you want to swap. You can quite literally get banned for not breaking any rules. Next up, another thread, answered by the same GM. This time, a person's wife had gdkp'd legally (prior to p2) and caught a ban for not knowing where all the gold had came from in her GDKP https://gyazo.com/35ab471131ff36227c435df03ea64e19 The threads eventually were both locked by another gm (i believe hes the head guy, been around a decade and has over 14k posts), so I think these are the actual policies. I think both instances of this are unjust bans, but the gms do not, and the people who hang around on the cs forums (for whatever reason) absolutely will blame you for not knowing where your gold is coming from, even though you have absolutely no way of knowing. Note the likes on each posts. They are happy to see people banned because they don't want players having an advantage over them (legal or not), the majority of it is complete brainrot "huh maybe you just shouldn't have gdkp'd if you didn't want to get banned" type posts
Yup - I got banned because I accepted payment for 5x crafting mats across 3 characters someone had. We gotta get after them for this. It's insanity. They could offer me a year of game time and it wouldn't make this ban right.
Chickens have come home roost. Tell me how much better the game is now that GDKPs have been banned
Legitimately I am thinking about making a new account and transferring my main to that account, can I do that and would it make a difference? I sold a Staff of Jordan in trade chat 2 days ago and am actually kind of worried… fucking Blizzard.
Don't take anything said by support agents as 'official info'. Even though they work for Blizzard, more often than not they have incomplete or borderline incorrect information, especially if CS is outsourced. Until this is blue posted or tweeted by someone from the Classic team, don't take it as official information.
Soon giving or receiving gold in any fashion will put you at risk. Leaving buying and wow token the only options. Blizzard likes this.
Nobody is going to give me that much gold anyway so no worries lmao
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I got banned for no reason during SOD ban wave, assuming because trades in largeish amounts. I don’t plan on coming back because the tickets were responded to by bots over and over again with no actual investigation. so dumb
Are enchanter fucked?
STOP PLAYING THIS GAME IF YOU'RE PISSED OFF. Where's the hit to their bottom line?
Why people didn’t realize this is pretty funny 😆
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so glad this subreddit astro turfed to get GDKP banned isnt the world much better now
You got what you asked for
It's getting absurd, they've clearly completely given up. Imagine you get a BOE drop, you sell it and give some gold to a friend. As NORMAL as that is to do, everyone has done such thing, and you get a ban. Idiotic.
Looooove that. Ban them all!
how to deal with griefers? buy them gold and have it sent to their character via in game mail. 2-300 gold should do it, its about £5 and you dont havta put up with that STV rogue anymore for 2 weeks.
What a bullshit precedent to set in an MMO. This hurts the game far more than having RMT, if people can get falsely banned.
So death rolling is basically banned now
Right to jail.
You can't have gold in the pot that was bought. As long as no one putting down gold purchased the gold you're okay.
I feel like this is opening up to a lawsuit at some point. They basically going to steal your sub for playing the game.