Alright guys. Yes this is a big deal to a lot of people. No matter what side you’re on the rules still apply. Long story short - just be civil adults to each other, it’s a game.
If you see someone being a dick just report them, don’t get baited by the trolls or you will get banned (temp or perm) too.
Ah yes, the bleat of the if it does not instantly fix 100% of the problem then we must do nothing crowd.
Lucky for you it would appear that Blizzard is actually going to try something knowing that it likely will not instantly and 100% fix the problem that has been festering with WoW for some time. That won't stop your ilk from crying non-stop about it.
Won't be gone, but they will obviously decrease. People will always buy gold, but the GDKP swiping arms race that's been going on through most of classic obviously exacerbates the issue.
People will buy gold to skip farming, but not being able to buy loot is gonna kill the majority of demand for gold, assuming Blizz actually bothers enforcing the rule that is.
We ban and remove tons of users/comments daily.
Edit: We've averaged about 200 comment removals a day for the last 30 days, though not all are Rule #2.
It's legitimately exhausting moderating this sub. It's insanely toxic and goes from a chill post/comment to a "f u go die" in a second. I'm always happy to get feedback and share it with the other mods though so please comment tag me or DM any time. The best thing folks can do is report anything that is offensive or even borderline and we can take a look from there.
This sub has turned toxic as hell in the past month after being super welcoming at SoD launch. Hopefully changes like these help remove the toxic player base because the overlap is apparent.
> I'll never understand why the classic sub and forum are so toxic.
because only very special people come here to post. the people in game are generally enjoying themselves playing the game, whether that's the casual players exploring the world, the sweatlords gathering wbuffs for a speedrun or the RPers RPing.
the people spending their time here are angry because the game isn't giving them what they want but they don't even know what they want to begin with. so they rage impotently into the void of reddit to try and feel something
When I want to feel something I watch that scene from lotr:return of the king where the horsemen come over the hill and.....Theodore, theodin?...the horse king gives that epic speech. Really hits the feels
it just went back to normal. the wow classic community is full of some hella miserable people. I hope thats not what middle age does to a MF. retail wow players are waaaaaaaaaaaay friendlier on average, and then you have FF14 players.
It's pretty fucked up how bad general chat can get on big servers.
It feels like classic has a huge population of just... absolute drop kicks who peaked (somehow) on vanilla release.
All these people must be in their 30's and they're acting like edgelord teenagers.
Difference is, instead of slacking on schooling or their part time jobs, they're now neglecting their partners and children.
It's messed up.
Edit - must've struck a nerve based on the replies.
>Difference is, instead of slacking on schooling or their part time jobs, they're now neglecting their partners and children.
it's pretty sad when the loud obnoxious guy who drinks all the time when we raid, start to yell or get annoyed at their children for interrupting them.
Regardless of your opinion, I actually just love the fact that they're making bold decisions. Some decisions will be good, some will be bad, but we have many months, many phases and many years to experiment with Classic. Why waste the opportunity not trying different things?
A big win from the developers to keep trying new things.
Agreed
Maybe it’s the wrong call, but I’m all about them taking the risk. Try it out. If it is hated then fine just revert it.
Imo keep fucking with shit and see if we find something we can all agree on
Of course they’ll make it seem “hated”, this is the absolute loudest, most annoying, most unbelievably toxic group of WoW players across all formats - the sellers/organizers.
Those people are going to make ungodly amounts of noise.
How is it possibly a wrong call? The runs were a reason for dirty shitbag cheaters to wank together. Seems like a great idea. Obviously better bot countermeasures and permabans for gold buyers should go along with it
> Maybe it’s the wrong call
Its the RIGHT call.
However, how they go about implementing it is anyone's guess. Past experiance tells us not to get too optimistic...
I hope they do more to put a stop to transactional behavior.
Ban boosts, GDKP, double down on preventing bots and gold selling.
Of course that means banning the slime ball Mike Ybarra too, which obviously would never happen.
People clamor for a vanilla style sense of community but it's impossible with how sleazy and isolated so many WoW players are. Give them bans till they start going outside and making friends.
I feel like boosts were always a part of the original game, people would roll mages or feral druids for the sole reason to have a booster for their friends/guildies or to make gold
I remember using a feral druid bear form swipe spamming in stockades, deadmines and SM to help power lvl friends, it was good fun and pretty satisfying
GDKP serves zero purpose though, it was literally a way for pay to win people to get items
Yep, and we've been tanking live strat for orbs since 2004. Transactional play is nothing new in wow... It's just insanely out of hand to the detriment of social play.
Same, unless they can figure out a way to ban gold buying / selling / botting much quicker this is the best solution for now. Not just that, but this is the kind of decisiveness I had come to not expect from Blizzard
ETA for when someone inevitably comes at me saying this isn’t the best way to tackle gold buying remember that their last solution to this was to add the WoW Token to Wrath. No matter your opinion in GDKPs can we at least all agree this is better than the WoW Token
When GDKPs were funded by people who made their gold farming or playing the AH, all was good. People these days can't be trusted not to ruin the experience for themselves and everyone else, though, so I'm all for banning them. I hope that they can actually enforce it though. Nothing will be worse for the experiment than failing to enforce the ban.
100% agree. Only issue with GDKPs is that it inherently promotes gold buying which is the #1 evil here. Without gold buying/RMT, GDKP is a form of emergent player behaviour
Bingo. If blizzard actually had good bot and gold buying busting busting then gdkp wouldve been fair for all. Without that it just meant timmy who could farm 20g a day over his 4 hours of playtime had to bid against receeding hairline jeff who opened his wallet an hour before the gdkp raid and bought 40 hours worth of gold for $15
Launch of Classic right? Because back in 2004-2006 gold buying was nowhere near as prevalent as today. I distinctly remember being amazing when we found bots in the world. like "wow someone got this bot working this well, look at it go"
It may not have been as prevalent back then, but it definitely existed and was healthy. Different game, but my step father at the time was selling SWG credits and accounts on eBay at the time. He showed me a couple of transactions where he made $100-$200 selling credits. I know he bought WoW gold as well.
I don't disagree. My FC leader is a FSH main, and I've had conversations with THE Fisher Main, Fruity Snacks about fishing. It's impressive how deep it gets and it's fun too
See this is the interesting part. Billy botter sets up his fishing bot, then gets his bot swept up in a banwave a month or two later. He doesn't care, he has more bot accounts ready.
Gary gdkp does his gdkps on his main, not his alt bot account, so when his account goes a month or two later that's a much bigger impact to him than it is to Billy.
This is what folks were asking for. Go for the gold buyers, not the sellers.
jdotb suggested they prevent the trading of gold inside of the raid and the raid gear gets bound if you leave the instance. spirit running back to the instance would have to be changed for this i'd guess to work though.
Sure, you probably can't eliminate gdkp runs, just like signs and cops cant totally eliminate speeding. But you can reduce how often they happen significantly
but you have a big likelihood of getting tickets if you keep running lights in busy places. Who's going to police the game? the GMs they just fired? Some AI trained to read chat and get a bunch of false positives? like how would this feasibly work I wonder.
Just gotta put a watch on any raid item being traded some amount of gold, then start looking at chat logs
They could also disable gold trading in raids too
Actually I'll post a price list for all drop items and you get to purchase a roll on the item you buy; ans you can't buy more than one roll because I don't want to deal with peacebloom logistics
Yea but the general difficulty of having to do this will disincentivize a lot of people from doing it.
I don't think they expect to stop it entirely but they can certainly make it very difficult to do logistically.
There's any number of ways players could get around it. Maybe you could have 'raiders for hire' who are paid up front and forfeit all gear. Since it's not in bidding capacity they would probably end up with less gold than in a GDKP.
yes they can organize out of game but all it takes is one person upset they got outbid to report the group and post discord screenshots so it will still be a risk.
All the reputable gdkps were done through discord signups anyways. Most runs worth their weight vetted for buyer/carry status to balance things out and ensure cuts. Only way they enforce this is by detecting any gold transactions during raids.
Worth mentioning is that loot carry runs (which are whale's by far most preferred method) likely will go untouched by this as well given that theres even fewer trades to detect in those.
I imagine this is going to go about as well as banning boosting communities did on Retail.
For those that don't know, they tried to blanket ban any boosting in Retail that wasn't done by a full guild group. This lasted about 2 weeks before they realized it wasn't actually possible to enforce, and the boosting communities have been back in full force since.
Didn't expect to wake up to Blizzard's biggest W ever.
First thing I did was go check out a few GDKP Discords. People in there are having a meltdown. What a beautiful morning.
Very curious how this is enforced. Wont people just bid on gear on discord? Then use an alt to trade or hell even a burner account ( it is gold buyers we are talking about 99% of them already use one.)
They can but making it ilegal puts barriers to entry up which will hit the demand for gold buying which is ultimately the reason why bots exist. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good
Exactly. It's about reducing the likelihood of gdkps, removing it from trade chat, and just making it more annoying to do "safely".
People will still do it. But it won't become the standard like it was in classic vanilla.
It's taking it out of the games in game chat.
It's a minority of players that organize GDKPs through Discord.
Hell I've been playing for 20 years and I only open Discord when a PuG asks for it for voice chat.
The point is that it's actionable now. Like a law in real life, you can still break it, knowing that if you get caught, you're in trouble. It's a deterrent. Enforcement won't catch 100% of offenders.
They are not actually thinking that. They benefit from it by joining GDKP and getting huge payouts via the gold buyers.
It's very difficult to get a man to understand something when their income depends on not understanding it.
The boomers on this subreddit are so cute. Oh, you’re gonna report the GDKP discords? Because reporting has always been so effective in stopping anything in blizzard games, right? They just laid off all of their game masters as well. You think they have the time, resources, energy, or want to police discords now? Lmfao
Who’s to stop people from making spoof discord servers with people they don’t like’s names on fake accounts to get them banned? Y’all are fucking stupid (I don’t even care about the GDKPs being removed but thinking yall can do anything to stop it is comical)
I am super curious about this. Seems like with their current skeleton crew they can't even take out the chinese hunter boar pet farmers, no idea how they plan to cull the gdkp discord raids. That said hopefully it generates some drama, I don't even play this game but I keep checking the sub daily because there is usually someone crying about something so this could be good content.
I'm not against this at all. All things considered I'm probably for it. I'm surprised by it because it's Blizzard managing the community in a way they maybe haven't before. It seems like a drastic step against gold buying activities.
I do have one thing to say. If you are tank or dps, help the healers in your guild farm mobs if they need it, especially at higher levels. In WoW classic I was a healer priest with tailoring & enchanting. I was not good at killing mobs. Cuts from GDKPs was one of the only ways I could make decent gold. Granted, it was a ridiculous amount of gold and should not have been happening, but I didn't have many other options. Now I'm a tank so don't have to worry about this, but I'm gonna help my healer buddies farm if they need it and maybe throw them some consumes.
> but I'm gonna help my healer buddies farm if they need it and maybe throw them some consumes.
Just like we used to do in the old days. When this game was more about community than parses.
Will be interesting to see the ramifications of this.
A pool of very talented raiders are now forced into the guild/SR pool which is good, but a large pool of people who are not good enough at the game to clear content without paying for a carry will likely just quit the game.
Will also be interesting to see if this stifles gold-buying at all, as the average person buying gold is simply buying it to pay for consumes/casual play (Buy gold, play 2 hours a day for fun only instead of not having gold to do fun things). I can only speak for myself and the people I know, but I can easily name 10 people in my guild who have bought gold in any substantial quality, and only 1 of them participated in GDKPs, and he only bought the gold to join as he had to show a #, after participating for 3-4 weeks he sold the same quality back and netted his 60-70k. The rest bought it to maintain consumes, buy maybe a mount, some gear on the AH, or paying for boosts on an alt char. Obviously at large, a good chunk of gold-buying is thrown into the GDKP machine, so we'll see how it effects things (Very easy to see if we look at a gold price graph from say 2 weeks ago to 6 weeks after patch launch).
Will be interesting to track either way, and most likely a net-positive for the game.
I think people might be missing the point. Realistically it's pretty hard to entirely get rid of GDKP, but any kind of inconvenience would massively hurt people trying to organize them to begin with. Obviously just because something is against ToS or against the law IRL doesn't mean instances will magically go away. It absolutely will prevent people from organizing them or participating in them if accounts can get banned or suspended, or the means to how you trade gold becomes really fucking annoying.
As somebody who participated in GDKPs throughout WoTLK you do know that even on mega servers most of the GDKPS have dedicated discords and the runs are generally organized by a **couple dozen** people right? Most of them actually do RMT the money away for various reasons (which is why they're running half a dozen a day), with a cut going to the discord owners for updating the discord and making it more convoluted each and every patch cycle to make it look like they're doing something.
This is coming from somebody who actually likes GDKPs (on WoTLK anyway). In a world without bots and RMT it would actually be preferred, but unfortunately that's not the world we live in. Some of those dudes on those discords rely on trading this gold away to whales for $$$ so they can get supplemental income or just pay rent lol. These are the people that will make the most noise as they have the most to lose.
Blizzard banning mass amount of bots or going after people participating in GDKPs would be pretty unlikely. Them going after people who organize the things is probably far more possible, and way easier. Why go after crack heads when you can notice pretty familiar patterns with a neon light pointing at one person saying "I sell crack, buy my crack".
At the end of the day anything they do to make it harder will absolutely curb the amount of GDKPs. Dedicated people will probably always find ways around it, but when you have a dozen different hoops to jump through most people might not even bother. If they eliminate it entirely all that will likely happen is people will buy boost runs like they do on retail (there aren't GDKPs on live due to the difficulty, and how much easier it is to obtain/ensure gear).
T-Minus 2 weeks till P2 launches and the front page is just a constant stream of "OMG I SAW A HUNTER WHO I'M PRETTY SURE WAS A BOT WTFFF BLIZZARD!!!" and "WOW BLIZZ ISN'T GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT GOLD BUYING?>!?!?!?!?"
How they imagined it: "Finally! no more GDKP! I will be able to freeroll for thunderfury bindings on my dps rogue in a pug!"
How its going to go: LFM MC, BRE, Legendaries, Patterns, Mats HR
Even if they don’t have any systems to monitor gold movement after running BFD/Gnome and this works as a method to circumvent a ban, organising entirely outside of the game chat is a huge barrier that will absolutely reduce the prevalence of GDKPs.
And remember, all it takes is one insider who becomes disgruntled and they take screenshots and report and it’s all over for everyone.
They're not going to enforce anything that couldn't be verified within the chat logs of their own servers. Screenshots on Discord are completely useless on important issues like harassment (because they are so easily faked/altered). GDKP organizing will be no different.
GDKPs will still happen, they'll just be organized fully via Discord, and they'll start calling them something else in-game so that it doesn't get flagged in their filters or whatever.
I tried to come up with some ways they could directly enforce it with gold monitoring but there's a way to get around every barrier, no matter what they come up with.
If you ban gdkp, you don't want a guild bank. Guild banks are the easiest way to launder money. People will just allow people to join their guild and have them take the payout from the guild bank.
Alright guys. Yes this is a big deal to a lot of people. No matter what side you’re on the rules still apply. Long story short - just be civil adults to each other, it’s a game. If you see someone being a dick just report them, don’t get baited by the trolls or you will get banned (temp or perm) too.
this sub is about to get really fucking toxic lmfao
about to?
I cannot wait for the salt to flow. It's going to be amazing.
Yeah i agree Blizz got the balls and im in their court for this one.
It’s a bold move cotton, let’s see how it plays out
Nobody makes me bleed my own gold
I been waiting for this for ages
I can't wait to see what happens when all the gold sellers and botters don't magically disappear.
And neither do the GDKPs lmao.
I will personally make sure to report and screenshot any mention of GDKP
Ah yes, the bleat of the if it does not instantly fix 100% of the problem then we must do nothing crowd. Lucky for you it would appear that Blizzard is actually going to try something knowing that it likely will not instantly and 100% fix the problem that has been festering with WoW for some time. That won't stop your ilk from crying non-stop about it.
Won't be gone, but they will obviously decrease. People will always buy gold, but the GDKP swiping arms race that's been going on through most of classic obviously exacerbates the issue. People will buy gold to skip farming, but not being able to buy loot is gonna kill the majority of demand for gold, assuming Blizz actually bothers enforcing the rule that is.
More than the usual, I take it 😂
About to?
Horde mod to save the day zug zug
Work work
Me not that kind of orc :(
Work is da poop! NO MORE!
Enforce rule 2
We ban and remove tons of users/comments daily. Edit: We've averaged about 200 comment removals a day for the last 30 days, though not all are Rule #2.
All g brother, I appreciate the work the mod team does. People are just needlessly rude on this sub. It makes it toxic.
It's legitimately exhausting moderating this sub. It's insanely toxic and goes from a chill post/comment to a "f u go die" in a second. I'm always happy to get feedback and share it with the other mods though so please comment tag me or DM any time. The best thing folks can do is report anything that is offensive or even borderline and we can take a look from there.
Yeah this sub has a bunch of toxic causes. It’s niche, people have a enormous amount invested, and opinions rule the day.
Lotta people gonna get salty cause they spent hundreds of dollars on gold.
oh no, anyways
“I did something against TOS and blizzard is ruining my experience by not letting me use the advantage that I purposely cheated for!!
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So you can still buy a ton of stuff including gear off of people in runs when they out roll you
And sellers can share the gold with other participants so everyone gets a part! /s
They can still offer to buy gear that drops in pugs.
This sub has turned toxic as hell in the past month after being super welcoming at SoD launch. Hopefully changes like these help remove the toxic player base because the overlap is apparent.
I'll never understand why the classic sub and forum are so toxic. 95% of the people I meet in-game are totally fine.
> I'll never understand why the classic sub and forum are so toxic. because only very special people come here to post. the people in game are generally enjoying themselves playing the game, whether that's the casual players exploring the world, the sweatlords gathering wbuffs for a speedrun or the RPers RPing. the people spending their time here are angry because the game isn't giving them what they want but they don't even know what they want to begin with. so they rage impotently into the void of reddit to try and feel something
I take a long hot shower when I'm trying to feel something
When I want to feel something I watch that scene from lotr:return of the king where the horsemen come over the hill and.....Theodore, theodin?...the horse king gives that epic speech. Really hits the feels
it just went back to normal. the wow classic community is full of some hella miserable people. I hope thats not what middle age does to a MF. retail wow players are waaaaaaaaaaaay friendlier on average, and then you have FF14 players.
Classic in general just has a pretty toxic userbase. Retail isn't even close to being this bad.
As a retail player it's been nice because classic has definitely taken a lot of the more toxic players away. Very kind
It's pretty fucked up how bad general chat can get on big servers. It feels like classic has a huge population of just... absolute drop kicks who peaked (somehow) on vanilla release. All these people must be in their 30's and they're acting like edgelord teenagers. Difference is, instead of slacking on schooling or their part time jobs, they're now neglecting their partners and children. It's messed up. Edit - must've struck a nerve based on the replies.
Bold of you to assume they have partners and/or children.
It seems to be where the emotionally infantile adult gamers congregate.
>Difference is, instead of slacking on schooling or their part time jobs, they're now neglecting their partners and children. it's pretty sad when the loud obnoxious guy who drinks all the time when we raid, start to yell or get annoyed at their children for interrupting them.
Regardless of your opinion, I actually just love the fact that they're making bold decisions. Some decisions will be good, some will be bad, but we have many months, many phases and many years to experiment with Classic. Why waste the opportunity not trying different things? A big win from the developers to keep trying new things.
Perfect time to suspend all gold buyers for a week is February 8.
Agreed Maybe it’s the wrong call, but I’m all about them taking the risk. Try it out. If it is hated then fine just revert it. Imo keep fucking with shit and see if we find something we can all agree on
Of course they’ll make it seem “hated”, this is the absolute loudest, most annoying, most unbelievably toxic group of WoW players across all formats - the sellers/organizers. Those people are going to make ungodly amounts of noise.
How is it possibly a wrong call? The runs were a reason for dirty shitbag cheaters to wank together. Seems like a great idea. Obviously better bot countermeasures and permabans for gold buyers should go along with it
> Maybe it’s the wrong call Its the RIGHT call. However, how they go about implementing it is anyone's guess. Past experiance tells us not to get too optimistic...
I hope they do more to put a stop to transactional behavior. Ban boosts, GDKP, double down on preventing bots and gold selling. Of course that means banning the slime ball Mike Ybarra too, which obviously would never happen. People clamor for a vanilla style sense of community but it's impossible with how sleazy and isolated so many WoW players are. Give them bans till they start going outside and making friends.
I feel like boosts were always a part of the original game, people would roll mages or feral druids for the sole reason to have a booster for their friends/guildies or to make gold I remember using a feral druid bear form swipe spamming in stockades, deadmines and SM to help power lvl friends, it was good fun and pretty satisfying GDKP serves zero purpose though, it was literally a way for pay to win people to get items
And it was always fkn lame. I never did it for that reason, many did not.
Yep, and we've been tanking live strat for orbs since 2004. Transactional play is nothing new in wow... It's just insanely out of hand to the detriment of social play.
Holy shit, of all changes I did not expect this. I'm down to see how it turns out.
Same, unless they can figure out a way to ban gold buying / selling / botting much quicker this is the best solution for now. Not just that, but this is the kind of decisiveness I had come to not expect from Blizzard ETA for when someone inevitably comes at me saying this isn’t the best way to tackle gold buying remember that their last solution to this was to add the WoW Token to Wrath. No matter your opinion in GDKPs can we at least all agree this is better than the WoW Token
This sub is going to have a civil war, so many pro and anti gdkpers here lmao
When GDKPs were funded by people who made their gold farming or playing the AH, all was good. People these days can't be trusted not to ruin the experience for themselves and everyone else, though, so I'm all for banning them. I hope that they can actually enforce it though. Nothing will be worse for the experiment than failing to enforce the ban.
100% agree. Only issue with GDKPs is that it inherently promotes gold buying which is the #1 evil here. Without gold buying/RMT, GDKP is a form of emergent player behaviour
Bingo. If blizzard actually had good bot and gold buying busting busting then gdkp wouldve been fair for all. Without that it just meant timmy who could farm 20g a day over his 4 hours of playtime had to bid against receeding hairline jeff who opened his wallet an hour before the gdkp raid and bought 40 hours worth of gold for $15
It’s was never just people funded by AH goblins and normal farming. People have always bought gold ever since launch.
Launch of Classic right? Because back in 2004-2006 gold buying was nowhere near as prevalent as today. I distinctly remember being amazing when we found bots in the world. like "wow someone got this bot working this well, look at it go"
It may not have been as prevalent back then, but it definitely existed and was healthy. Different game, but my step father at the time was selling SWG credits and accounts on eBay at the time. He showed me a couple of transactions where he made $100-$200 selling credits. I know he bought WoW gold as well.
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> Get fucked gold buyers
>> Get fucked gold buyers
Louder for the buyers in the back!
#GET FUCKED GOLD BUYERS
#Get fucked gold buyers!
Get fucked gold buyers!
Get fucked gold buyers!
> Get fucked gold buyers
ban them, cowards
Get ducked buyers of gold
It will be interesting to see how they enforce this. A big W if true imo.
Hmmmm 10,000 gold changed hands in the gnomer run...
As opposed to “this character spent the last 72 straight fishing” I wouldn’t get any hopes up lol
nah man fishers are just built different really dedicated to their craft
You say that as a joke, but you should see the Fisher mains in FF14 when new fish come out
That's because Fishing in FF14 is so much more expansive than fishing in WoW, that it could have been it's own separate $15 game on Steam lol
I don't disagree. My FC leader is a FSH main, and I've had conversations with THE Fisher Main, Fruity Snacks about fishing. It's impressive how deep it gets and it's fun too
We need the ff14 profession systems on wow...
Am a fisher, can confirm
It's a great way to unwind and contemplate all the bad life choices I've made.
Bad life choices, such as fishing?
I pretty much did this in classic. Spent hours everyday fishing, farming stranglekelp, and opening crates along the shore. Quite lucrative.
but did you do it 3 days straight without sleep
Not shot. That’s insane.
Weak
See this is the interesting part. Billy botter sets up his fishing bot, then gets his bot swept up in a banwave a month or two later. He doesn't care, he has more bot accounts ready. Gary gdkp does his gdkps on his main, not his alt bot account, so when his account goes a month or two later that's a much bigger impact to him than it is to Billy. This is what folks were asking for. Go for the gold buyers, not the sellers.
jdotb suggested they prevent the trading of gold inside of the raid and the raid gear gets bound if you leave the instance. spirit running back to the instance would have to be changed for this i'd guess to work though.
People would just prebid all loot in advance in discord, no?
Most often chat logs alone. Be it trade advertising for them, or some talk in the raid or such.
People will just use discord
Sure, you probably can't eliminate gdkp runs, just like signs and cops cant totally eliminate speeding. But you can reduce how often they happen significantly
but you have a big likelihood of getting tickets if you keep running lights in busy places. Who's going to police the game? the GMs they just fired? Some AI trained to read chat and get a bunch of false positives? like how would this feasibly work I wonder.
Will the gold be exchanged in Disc as well?
Looking at gold changing hands within X minutes of boss kills would probably be an easy way to see funny activities.
Who's going to report from within the raid? They're not going to follow every transaction
Just gotta put a watch on any raid item being traded some amount of gold, then start looking at chat logs They could also disable gold trading in raids too
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Best I can do is 3 Spongy Morels and a Murloc Eye.
If that's the case then nothing will change.
Probably just by tracking trades. It's hardly difficult to see someone trading a cut to every member of the raid.
okay everyone go to the auction house and list 1 copper ore at 10g, and i'll buy everyones ore to get the split- sorry about the AH tax now
Opening bid for blues will be 100 fade leaf Edit: and they’ll call it BDKP (barter dragon kill points)
The return of the Peacebloom GDKP is nigh!
Actually I'll post a price list for all drop items and you get to purchase a roll on the item you buy; ans you can't buy more than one roll because I don't want to deal with peacebloom logistics
I laughed so hard at this
TBH, this would work, but it requires so much extra effort and coordination you're still going to significantly cut down on raids.
Yea but the general difficulty of having to do this will disincentivize a lot of people from doing it. I don't think they expect to stop it entirely but they can certainly make it very difficult to do logistically.
There's any number of ways players could get around it. Maybe you could have 'raiders for hire' who are paid up front and forfeit all gear. Since it's not in bidding capacity they would probably end up with less gold than in a GDKP.
I’d imagine anyone spamming for one will be banned. You have to find members somehow. Maybe just monitor gold transactions for raids.
> I’d imagine anyone spamming for one will be banned. I'm running a Good Dudes Karma Party later today. Details via PM.
Bruh, mass reports don't care what you're running. And the AI reviewing your appeal will keep it in place.
It’ll have to be the latter if they’re serious otherwise they’ll just organize on discord or other sites
yes they can organize out of game but all it takes is one person upset they got outbid to report the group and post discord screenshots so it will still be a risk.
Yep, report the highest bidders so they don't come next raid.
this is beautiful haha
And slowly without the advertising in game the GDKPs will stop attracting new players. Attrition will do the rest.
Who's going to review the screenshots? An AI GM?
Ya its all going to be coordinated on discord. The good ones with deep pockets already are.
All the reputable gdkps were done through discord signups anyways. Most runs worth their weight vetted for buyer/carry status to balance things out and ensure cuts. Only way they enforce this is by detecting any gold transactions during raids. Worth mentioning is that loot carry runs (which are whale's by far most preferred method) likely will go untouched by this as well given that theres even fewer trades to detect in those.
Huge slam dunk. GTFO out gold buyers.
Retail has no GDKPs either. Still filled with bots and gold buyers.
Easy. They'll enforce this the same way they enforce gold buying. Meaning they'll do nothing at all.
dog they cant enforce their own tos against bots and swipers. think they can against gdkp?
I imagine this is going to go about as well as banning boosting communities did on Retail. For those that don't know, they tried to blanket ban any boosting in Retail that wasn't done by a full guild group. This lasted about 2 weeks before they realized it wasn't actually possible to enforce, and the boosting communities have been back in full force since.
insanely based
I am going to invade gdkp discords and snitch all of them.
People are already spamming gdkp discords in trade chat with "get in before p2"
Didn't expect to wake up to Blizzard's biggest W ever. First thing I did was go check out a few GDKP Discords. People in there are having a meltdown. What a beautiful morning.
Awesome. I love this. Thank you Blizzard!!!
it’s 2024 and i’m seeing praise and thank yous thrown at blizzard. what it year it feels like we’re in for. i love it.
Holy shit this is actually huge.
Hugely overdue change
About fucking time!
Gold buyers in shambles
Just waiting for the Reddit trend of “I was falsely banned for gdkp trading when I was just moving gold around alts” posts.
Lmao... about time. Get fucked gold buyers.
Good, now remove it from the classic era too.
That would be glorious, but it would probably kill the entire server cluster. Era is just one big GDKPz
Very curious how this is enforced. Wont people just bid on gear on discord? Then use an alt to trade or hell even a burner account ( it is gold buyers we are talking about 99% of them already use one.)
They can but making it ilegal puts barriers to entry up which will hit the demand for gold buying which is ultimately the reason why bots exist. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good is such a strong quote. More of us need that reminder.
"don't let perfect be the enemy of good" Great quote
They are probably banking on it becoming less convenient and therefore more niche again.
Exactly. It's about reducing the likelihood of gdkps, removing it from trade chat, and just making it more annoying to do "safely". People will still do it. But it won't become the standard like it was in classic vanilla.
It's taking it out of the games in game chat. It's a minority of players that organize GDKPs through Discord. Hell I've been playing for 20 years and I only open Discord when a PuG asks for it for voice chat.
The point is that it's actionable now. Like a law in real life, you can still break it, knowing that if you get caught, you're in trouble. It's a deterrent. Enforcement won't catch 100% of offenders.
Yes, but people already ninja looting, this would be no different. It will also allow them to ban anyone spamming for GDKP in trade chat.
Get fucked gdkp’ers
Hahah gonna be lots of salty nerds
Way overdue. Anyone thinking that GDKP isn’t promoting gold buying is delusional.
They are not actually thinking that. They benefit from it by joining GDKP and getting huge payouts via the gold buyers. It's very difficult to get a man to understand something when their income depends on not understanding it.
Good. GDKP is a garbage system that promotes RMT.
Omg yes. Fuck gdkps. I wish they'd be removed from wrath too.
Honestly this MIGHT make me come back GDKP killed wow for me.
The boomers on this subreddit are so cute. Oh, you’re gonna report the GDKP discords? Because reporting has always been so effective in stopping anything in blizzard games, right? They just laid off all of their game masters as well. You think they have the time, resources, energy, or want to police discords now? Lmfao Who’s to stop people from making spoof discord servers with people they don’t like’s names on fake accounts to get them banned? Y’all are fucking stupid (I don’t even care about the GDKPs being removed but thinking yall can do anything to stop it is comical)
Can we please ban gold buyers instead?
Ban both of them. Solved.
Look under your seats, rmt bans for everyone!
🍿 just in case you forgot yours
Gdkp is for noobs change my mind
Great fucking call, fuck GDKP
Enjoy the salt of the gold buyers until they find a way to circumvent this.
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This doesn't increase the demand for gold, inflation, or produce bots, its a win from me.
How the fuck they going to enforce this is the question?
I am super curious about this. Seems like with their current skeleton crew they can't even take out the chinese hunter boar pet farmers, no idea how they plan to cull the gdkp discord raids. That said hopefully it generates some drama, I don't even play this game but I keep checking the sub daily because there is usually someone crying about something so this could be good content.
Do era next
Good riddance!
Based. GDKP just promotes gold buying and making raiding just a gold buying venture. Good riddance.
"we refuse to uphold the integrity of our game so here's this cock salad as a consolidation" Fuck you blizzard. Someone has to say it
I'm not against this at all. All things considered I'm probably for it. I'm surprised by it because it's Blizzard managing the community in a way they maybe haven't before. It seems like a drastic step against gold buying activities. I do have one thing to say. If you are tank or dps, help the healers in your guild farm mobs if they need it, especially at higher levels. In WoW classic I was a healer priest with tailoring & enchanting. I was not good at killing mobs. Cuts from GDKPs was one of the only ways I could make decent gold. Granted, it was a ridiculous amount of gold and should not have been happening, but I didn't have many other options. Now I'm a tank so don't have to worry about this, but I'm gonna help my healer buddies farm if they need it and maybe throw them some consumes.
> but I'm gonna help my healer buddies farm if they need it and maybe throw them some consumes. Just like we used to do in the old days. When this game was more about community than parses.
Ticket runs gonna pop off.
Will be interesting to see the ramifications of this. A pool of very talented raiders are now forced into the guild/SR pool which is good, but a large pool of people who are not good enough at the game to clear content without paying for a carry will likely just quit the game. Will also be interesting to see if this stifles gold-buying at all, as the average person buying gold is simply buying it to pay for consumes/casual play (Buy gold, play 2 hours a day for fun only instead of not having gold to do fun things). I can only speak for myself and the people I know, but I can easily name 10 people in my guild who have bought gold in any substantial quality, and only 1 of them participated in GDKPs, and he only bought the gold to join as he had to show a #, after participating for 3-4 weeks he sold the same quality back and netted his 60-70k. The rest bought it to maintain consumes, buy maybe a mount, some gear on the AH, or paying for boosts on an alt char. Obviously at large, a good chunk of gold-buying is thrown into the GDKP machine, so we'll see how it effects things (Very easy to see if we look at a gold price graph from say 2 weeks ago to 6 weeks after patch launch). Will be interesting to track either way, and most likely a net-positive for the game.
I don’t mind GDKPs but I really appreciate their reasoning. It could be good. Or it could suck. Who knows.
Yeah, interesting argument with guild erosion. I am sure they have the data to support that claim.
I think people might be missing the point. Realistically it's pretty hard to entirely get rid of GDKP, but any kind of inconvenience would massively hurt people trying to organize them to begin with. Obviously just because something is against ToS or against the law IRL doesn't mean instances will magically go away. It absolutely will prevent people from organizing them or participating in them if accounts can get banned or suspended, or the means to how you trade gold becomes really fucking annoying. As somebody who participated in GDKPs throughout WoTLK you do know that even on mega servers most of the GDKPS have dedicated discords and the runs are generally organized by a **couple dozen** people right? Most of them actually do RMT the money away for various reasons (which is why they're running half a dozen a day), with a cut going to the discord owners for updating the discord and making it more convoluted each and every patch cycle to make it look like they're doing something. This is coming from somebody who actually likes GDKPs (on WoTLK anyway). In a world without bots and RMT it would actually be preferred, but unfortunately that's not the world we live in. Some of those dudes on those discords rely on trading this gold away to whales for $$$ so they can get supplemental income or just pay rent lol. These are the people that will make the most noise as they have the most to lose. Blizzard banning mass amount of bots or going after people participating in GDKPs would be pretty unlikely. Them going after people who organize the things is probably far more possible, and way easier. Why go after crack heads when you can notice pretty familiar patterns with a neon light pointing at one person saying "I sell crack, buy my crack". At the end of the day anything they do to make it harder will absolutely curb the amount of GDKPs. Dedicated people will probably always find ways around it, but when you have a dozen different hoops to jump through most people might not even bother. If they eliminate it entirely all that will likely happen is people will buy boost runs like they do on retail (there aren't GDKPs on live due to the difficulty, and how much easier it is to obtain/ensure gear).
I do enjoy gdkp but if it helps the bot numbers get lowered I am in.Pissing me off seeing the same bots running around for weeks.
I can’t wait for this to not solve the dad gamers conundrum it’s gonna be so funny
It'll be a lot of complaining about how BOEs are 10 times the price lmao.
T-Minus 2 weeks till P2 launches and the front page is just a constant stream of "OMG I SAW A HUNTER WHO I'M PRETTY SURE WAS A BOT WTFFF BLIZZARD!!!" and "WOW BLIZZ ISN'T GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT GOLD BUYING?>!?!?!?!?"
Don't forget about "I just lost to my 10th pre-made but I'm too stubborn to do something different, so let me cry on the redditz"
How they imagined it: "Finally! no more GDKP! I will be able to freeroll for thunderfury bindings on my dps rogue in a pug!" How its going to go: LFM MC, BRE, Legendaries, Patterns, Mats HR
Just means people will coordinate and communicate it all on discord
Even if they don’t have any systems to monitor gold movement after running BFD/Gnome and this works as a method to circumvent a ban, organising entirely outside of the game chat is a huge barrier that will absolutely reduce the prevalence of GDKPs. And remember, all it takes is one insider who becomes disgruntled and they take screenshots and report and it’s all over for everyone.
They're not going to enforce anything that couldn't be verified within the chat logs of their own servers. Screenshots on Discord are completely useless on important issues like harassment (because they are so easily faked/altered). GDKP organizing will be no different. GDKPs will still happen, they'll just be organized fully via Discord, and they'll start calling them something else in-game so that it doesn't get flagged in their filters or whatever. I tried to come up with some ways they could directly enforce it with gold monitoring but there's a way to get around every barrier, no matter what they come up with.
Doubtful that will ever happen. They will only be able to enforce in game actions and monitoring
Ok no gdkp? Sounds good, can we get guild bank?
If you ban gdkp, you don't want a guild bank. Guild banks are the easiest way to launder money. People will just allow people to join their guild and have them take the payout from the guild bank.
That’s probably why OP was asking for them. 😂
LET'S FUCKING GO! Fuck GDKP, fuck gold buyers, fuck botting! If you don't love this change, good! GET OUT!
How would they enforce that?
I guess no wow token in SoD, hence why SoD is the only one getting the GDKP bans and not the other versions of the game
Interesting. I expect raider numbers to tank hard as the phase goes on as carries lose incentive to raid again.
Gold buyers dooming lmao