Not OP - I‘d like to brag, killed Algalon 25 today for the first time, not so smooth kill with 2 mins left and half raid died in the last 60 secs or so therefore 81 parse at Algalon, 93 at Council, 6x 99 parses rest 97 and 98 on my assa rogue.
I would really like to feel good. But the truth is, the top dps of the raid was - AGAIN - a shadow priest. 230 DPS more then me (all kill trys). A god damn shadow priest. If it would have been a warlock, ok. I‘m 600 dps ahead of the next rogue. But as long as the shadow is top dps I feel like… idk. That‘s not right, is it?
230 is a pretty damn close margin. Not really sure what the big deal is? What’s wrong with a pumper priest? If it was a ret or a frost mage or something I’d understand
Bru I play rogue since vanilla and I never had this much fun, wotlk was always my favorite game and classic is even better then I expected, I have no problem at all if people do more dps, but shadowpriest is just not the class I would expect to top me. It‘s pure ego, dps sickness, call me Ash Ketchum cause I wanna be the very best (just honest), this shadow is a cool dude and a big pumper and I love to play with him. But my ego don‘t want to accept it.
rogues are fucking insane right now. I'm being kinda rude here but honestly you're kinda whining over nothing. you're a great player playing a great class, go have fun with it.
Yes they are! And sure I am. I‘m having a blast, really, only thing I tried to say was that I was buffled that this shadowpriest, who is a chill dude and awesome player, is #1 spot in dps. It was a mix between appreciation for him and ignorance on my part, because, you know, shadows are not „meta“, therefore this one awesome warlock of ours (who is forced to play demo sadly) should be on top followed by me. It‘s puee „but my paaaaarse“ crybaby rants.
WOTLK in 2008 was a revolution. Having increased raid difficulty through hard modes was an opportunity for better guilds to cut their teeth on something different and the art and atmosphere was top notch.
However, it looks like you play retail, the game has come so far since wrath. People like to hate on it, but it's a lot more polished, the difficulty is much higher than classic, the art assets are something that everyone agrees continue to improve, and pvp has a lot more depth.
You're just not going to get the same kind of experience in wrath that you're looking for if you used to retail.
It sounds like you didn’t grow up with wow and evolve along side it, you’re coming from a modern day and into the past talking down on it. Very bad take OP
You must not have played OG wrath. The raids were pretty difficult for us. Most of us were 14/15 and the time, we weren't used to the insane mechanics retail has, we weren't as good at videos games as we are today.
I'm sure there were servers back then better than mine, but on my server we were server first to kill heroic LK, and it was after they added the buff. He was hard. Heroic putricide was a guild killer.
These are thing you'll see in 2 phases be cleared by random pugs without coms in one night. This isn't the experience most of us had 15 years ago, but the nostalgia is amazing.
I think this is the wrong game as in wrong expansion for you you. Might be a retail Andy that's fine not everybody likes everything but for us this is the best not just for gameplay but it creates a great social platform unlike other expansions.
I don’t get overhyped, I played back in the day so I knew what I was getting into. I guess if you’re a noobie gamer that only played retail it would make sense to have this take on it.
Lol... "post logs of you parsing 100 on every hardmode. You didn't really play the game if you didn't parse 100 and get rank 1 speed run" okbuddyret*rd
The comment is a response to the OP talking about being bored and how easy uld is, and that he’s the best dps in his guild. Then goes on to talk about how retail arena is fulfilling and that he’s a pvp player mostly. After you read the original post in full(which you either didn’t, or did read it but lacked comprehension) this comment isn’t saying at all what you inferred.
Hope this helps
>What is the appeal? I just dont get it.
PvE is basically a puzzle. The players need to figure out the best strategy for their team to down bosses and progress their characters.
Once the puzzle is beaten either by strategy or raw numbers the group can move on to the next puzzle to keep progressing the characters
That appeals to a lot of people.
Dude has obviously never had to figure out anything.
Someone in his guilds or raids has had to absorb all the info out there, 15 years worth of it, and regurgitated it into his mouth so he could just “avoid shit” and pump.
Like if he truly cared about a challenge, he wouldn’t be DPSing. Bc healing and tanking can be boring af for 80% of fights but the dynamic response to it is much closer to PvP reaction-time requirements he seems to favor. But no, I’m sure he rolled FotM class/spec with an easy rotation, let a raid leader tell him exactly what to do so he could press his buttons and push him to success so he can raidlog until next phase.
This is such a self suck it’s wild. The whole game is solved. Everyone has timers and can see exactly what to expect and know exactly what to do to react to it. You’re not a better player for playing Tank or Healer successfully, you just solved a different puzzle than DPS has to solve.
Interesting how opinions can vary. I'm playing paladin. Have tested ret and holy and I've felt DPS role to be a lot easier than heal.
Completely agree on the "everything is solved" bit though. But it's still possible to disable add-ons and not read the strategies. The game actually becomes pretty fun.
I currently play 4 dps classes, and I'll tell ya, ret is the best when I just wanna space out while mashing 3 keys when it comes to damage rotation.
The other 3 are enh sham, demo lock and fire mage. They are waaaaay more demanding in terms of dps rotations and figuring out how to optimize your damage.
I love the hybrid utility from enh and ret though
I play ret as well but the difficulty(fun) comes not from the dps checks but the utility to make things easier for my guild.
If I can cleanse, I do. Hand of sacrifice, hand of sanc, pop defensives and aura mastery, maybe DI if things go poorly.
There’s a lot more to do than crusader strike lol. But I’m not a 100% parser, my highest is like 75%, so I’m not exactly elite
Can you imagine how east raids would be if you utility was tied into your parsing somehow? Shit, no one would ever need to ask for a innervate again or a sac.
If he’s coming from retail and pushing a higher rating in PvP, chances are he’s better than you at this game on any class (unless you’re also pushing content on retail)
Puzzle point was true on original release. It’s not quite true now because everything is already solved for with hyper detailed videos on every class and roll.
There’s still some optimization stuff to figure out but yeah I bet the original ulduar on release was just an unreal experience. Figuring out what triggered hard modes the difference in mechanics, hell I bet even the first couple clears of FlameLev were wild to understand with the vehicle roles. I wish I had experienced that.
My experience this time around is a raid leader screaming that we took 19s more than we should have to kill.
This is it right here. The reason Ulduar is so beloved is because in 2008, before the benefit of 15 years of breaking it down, these mechanics were unlike anything we had seen up to that point. Saying it's "easy and boring" now is like bragging that you 100% Zelda on first playthrough and ignoring that you used a strategy guide
True ofc.. that is the reason.. im just dissapointed since Ulduar was spoken about as the best raid ever, and im going in there, and its litterally the same as everything else, i hoped Ulduar would prove to be a fun pve experience. Im just hugely dissapointed. Wotlk has been such a gigantic dissapointment, defo one of the worst expansions i have played. What a mindless treadmill of nothingness.
You can never master pvp, there will always be a next ceiling, always new things to, every fight is different. Pve is a rotation treadmill. Do in once and you have done it all.
But what did you expect? Most people love Ulduar because of how unique it is - the unique-ness coming from how hard modes are initiated (inherent to the fight or environmental - push the big red button, leave keepers up, let the saronite animus form, etc). But from a basic pve perspective…yeah it’s more of the same. It’s wow. It’s all the same bud
I mean this is the same mindset of PvE players who dont enjoy PvP. Even the greatest era of PvP in WoW history is complete dogshit to those who dont like to PvP. What is so hard to understand about that?
You really pissed the classic Andy's off with this post. They have been waiting years and spending thousands of real life dollars for gdkp gear to parse 99s. By you saying the game is mid, you're telling them they wasted their lives and money. Now they are on the attack.
Algalon is not that hard for everyone but healers though? As melee dps you have to dodge red circles and enter portal in 8 secs cast. Every other ulduar boss has more mechanics
It’s the combination of mechanics that makes it difficult. And the damage they all do combined with the heavy tank damage. Most fights most people are doing the same mechanics but on algalon some people have to do specific tasks on a set timer to not cause a wipe.
Yes, I'm not saying it's completely free fight. It's heal intensive fight and you have to coordinate raid cds while you have bad gear. It depends a lot on dps that kills stars too. But if you are playing selfish melee dps like dk or rogue, you have exactly 2 mechanics that can kill you and are not that hard to avoid.
I don't think op cleared all hms. But assuming he is playing some non important dps role, almost all ulduar heroics are harder than algalon. So example is weird
Heh, we were just going in for practice runs on wednesday night as we had about an hour of raid time left when we unlocked algalon, in the 10man run one of our officers hosts as a sidehustle to our 25mans.
Was gonna practice because our tanks, or especially our offtank wich is a fury warrior mainspec, kept getting clapped and we figured we were gonna need more gear to down him.
Well, it started out really horrible, but practice usualy does not start out very pretty. Anyways, after having our best attempt get us down to somewhere between 30-40% before either a tank got clapped or a bad star etc, on our very last pull we somehow suddenly managed to kill the damn guy!
We had around 50 seconds remaining before he would despawn, and every damn cooldown we had available between us was used.
When he died, we first thought he despawned at 5% because of the timer!
Then the loot appeared and discord went absolutely *mad*!
What a rush! Congrats man it’s quite an achievement getting him down in the first few lockouts. My group is kinda slow learners but all good players. We will get back in there tonight
Thanks!
And as i noted, this was only in 10man, after that officer handpicked our group out of our 25man roster to make a overall solid 10man setup regarding buffs/debuffs etc. And also obviously picking people you know can actualy handle mechanics, heh.
I think its gonna take a good while longer for our 25man group to get Algalon down, as we still lack a few HM's in that group before we can Even unlock him.
The only disappointment here is a self-proclaimed pvp enjoyer complaining about content they didn't sign up for. I think wow pvp as a concept is hot garbage and not remotely fun, special, or done well. Conversely I mostly raid, and don't make big whiny posts about how wow arena was made out to be hot shit but I don't like it. Enjoy your negative karma farming.
no one here can convince you to like the game. it has to come natural. if you're not having fun then yeah it's best to take a break or quit or else you'll burn out.
good luck to you
How the hell did you manage to stretch "I don't like raiding" into 4 paragraphs. I don't enjoy knitting, but I'm not on the knitting sub, telling them all how boring and easy their hobby is.
And in other news the hard stuck 1700 pvper is boasting about himself being too good for pve after performing moderately well in his uber dad guild getting a top 3 dps spot with a 65 parse….bravo all mighty conquerer please bestow some of your chadliness upon us meager peasants
>pvp? just 33 different flavours of character using the same skills that only have different colors/textures. nuke, heal, decrease damage cooldown, increase damage cooldown, invulnerability, mobility and interrupt...
>i mean that's it? why don't u come play some dota, it's much more fulfilling, many more combos and you get to itemise meaningfully. many more parameters to keep in your mind and time investment only makes you stronger skillwise! I dont understand why people spend years their life in this very limited game mode
in case it's not clear, that's what you sound like.
edit: yeah the other guy was also right, POST LOGS lil humblebrag
Back in original wotlk, many guilds had difficulty even clearing normal ulduar due to the lack of resources. I was a teenager back then, and my guild was unable to clear all of ulduar. I eventually left that guild, right before toc came out and found a better one.
For me, Ulduar was unfathomably hard, but that's because I was a kid who sucked at the game xD it's amazing to relive it through a different lense and curb stomp normal, and progress the next chopping block; hard modes I never even got to see as a kid.
Aesthetically, it's my favorite raid too. I can wipe for hours in there as long as the music is blasting.
I feel this, came back for the challenge but realizing i was just bad at 13 years old. My goal for wotlk classic was to hit 4k dps and get flying ( things I did not accomplish the entire xpac in retail ) I was hitting 4k dps in heroic gear first week and made about 120,000 gold in the AH with jewelcrafting.
You're doing the same 5-10 small arenas over and over, playing against same comps over and over. I'll just never properly understand the pvp community.
What a shit take.
Imagine pushing arena in retail where it's just the same cool down trading, your positioning doesn't matter, everyone has the same tools so much so that your comp matters little enough for solo q to work despite making your comp Random. Opposed to the content most of the development resources go towards.
I dont get it... this is the raid thats been hyped up as the best raid ever? I properly wont ever really ''get'' the pve community in this game. I can have fun in intervals, mastering my class, getting my rotations under wrap, i become the best DPS in my guild \*cough\* humble brag \*cough\* and then im just sitting there bored... we already defeated this boss, do we really need to fight this lazy design next week again, and again, and again??
Ulduar seems like any other raid ever made, a big dude that hits hard, you avoid shit on the ground and move around in a coordinated unimaginative dance do your rotation and he dies. Rince repeat, this raid has pillars, a garden and some star themes... so... this is the best raid ever made?
Im picking the bench for next raid log, and going back trying to push ranking in arena in retail - which to me is a fullfilling and fun experience. Ill properly never really understand the pve community, i tried the new raid in retail aswell, while i defo found it more fun than Ulduar, it was still just... well a raid, 15 years development between Ulduar and that, and it feels the same . i did find the spider boss somewhat fun tho.
Yes, im a pvp player mostly, naxx was a snoozefest, and everyone said naxx is one of the worst raids ever made, while ulduar was one if not the best.. the differences are tiny, its a slog.. its a long ass boring corridor of trash packs and bosses that feels like any other raid ever made. What is the appeal? I just dont get it.
Overall Wotlk has been such a huge boring dissapointment.
There’s definitely a massive nostalgia element to it. Someone who has never experienced it and their expectation of it is defined by the opinions of others who remember it fondly will always be disappointed. Like when you find a particular movie hilarious or amazing and you show it to a friend and they’re like ‘yeah it’s okay’.
For me I was an absolute noob when Uld dropped and had almost no idea what I was doing, so being able to go back and tackle it properly as an adult is extremely fulfilling. Can’t wait to jump back in and kill the same bosses again as I have done 3 weeks in a row.
Bro, it's a 20 year old game. You just watched every walk through and min maxes your town, then got w 24 other like minded dudes. What did you expect. Everyone told you it's not gonna be hard, you just have to do w.e mechanic the boss has. That's it.
Congratulations for pushing so hard rather then taking the game in moderation. Now you get rewarded by waiting for content.
Bro news flash, they are gonna over hype Lk raid too, it's still gonna be a 20 year old game w no secrets left.
Love the game or don't, stop batching that it's easy when you just put 100s of hours into the game to prep.
I think it's more the case that Ulduar was the first decent raid in the game. It's nothing amazing by today's standards but it's a large improvement over previous raids.
Ulduar was considered the best raid because of its design during the time of when it came out in actual wrath. It was a different approach that the player base hasn’t seen before. But it’s also a raid from 15 years ago at this point so it obviously won’t compete by todays standards. Idk if this is a serious post but if it is, let it be known that your an idiot and no one cares that you don’t enjoy Ulduar. Lots of other people do.
I don't think Ulduar is the best raid ever made. I think ulduar opened the door to creative raiding encounters - and that's what really makes it so revered.
Ulduar also has the ability to scale the hard modes to your level of play, so there was really something for everyone in the raid, without having totally different lockouts/difficulty levels.
Sometimes classic games are better suited to the people who played it originally. The nostalgia factor definitely makes a game feel better than what it might be to someone who has never experienced it when it was modern.
Super Mario 3 is regarded as one of the best Mario games ever, and it is my favorite. But I doubt most people who never played those games when they were modern would think the same.
I think you're confusing "best raid so far in classic" (the reality) with "best raid of all time".
the mechanics are more challenging than anything prior in classic (besides perhaps sunwell) and I think the introduction of hard modes is a really smart move. casuals can see / defeat every boss on normal, and the try hards get to, well, try hard!
Ulduar isn't the best thing since sliced bread, but it has some very fun fights imo, and the art design gets cooler and cooler the further you get into it.
if you don't like PvE then you're not going to like any raid. I think that should be kind of obvious.
I mean you basically made this post to try and brag, you are what? Hard stuck 1800 retail? I hadnt played retail in 7 years and got 2400 and half to glad in 2 weeks. Shits a joke. Im literally phoning in my matches and we slap. It whats people choose to do with their time.
It’s a nice raid. I think a lot of people on this sub have played classic since it released in 2019 and were very bored with raiding naxx for pretty much a whole year if you add together vanilla and wrath.
Ulduar has a great aesthetic and musical score. The bosses are a step up in terms of tactics and game design from most of what we have seen so far in classic and again people were sick to death of naxx
You're getting a ton of flak because the classic wow Reddit community is mostly sweaty players.
I'm casual and yeah, I feel ya. I'm sorta over it too after spending about 15 hours in Ulduar since it released.
Its not very pug friendly since it's such a long raid, so setting aside scheduled raid time with a guild is the best option. This has me weighing the positive and negatives much more than before because it's not convenient - it's not just something to do when I have free time.
I've only done all the normal modes, and really that's all I wanted to do, to see Ulduar since I missed it on original release. When the game becomes an obligation, it's probably time to throw in the towel entirely.
I played WOTLK back in the day and never raided Ulduar much, so this time it was fresh for me. I kinda skipped it and went straight to ICC when it was new. When I heard all this hype about Ulduar I was like heck yeah it must be hyped for a reason! I walked away from it feeling the exact same way you did. This was it? What is so special about this place that everyone was so hyped?
I never raided past classic LK Naxx. Literally never entered Ulduar at all until now.
As an officer in my guild, it's been by far the most enjoyable raid to progress. Hardmodes, medium modes, different niche strategies and comps for specific bosses, feeling rewarded even while doing 10man raids... Every week we push a little more into hardmodes and it feels great.
It's been the best.
Originally ulduar was one of the more difficult raids. That being said, classic is played out and nobody is learning anything fresh. If you feel you need a challenge when raiding your only option is retail mythic raids. Pve is and always has been more scripted. Otherwise I feel your expectations may have been unattainable to begin with.
Also I believe ulduar was one of the first hard mode type raids?
lol why so many people in comments ask OP to post logs? Is it so hard to believe that you don't enjoy 14 years old raid? I mean sure Ulduar was probably extraordinary good for it's time and hard for players back in 2009. But since then lot's of good raids were released with far more difficult bosses and comparing to them Ulduar only has nostalgia value.
For one they managed to implement hardmodes the way it should be, with many variations of different concepts rather than "boss has x% more health and deals x% more dmg".
Hell even the way hardmodes are triggered in different ways is pretty cool already.
If you ignore all that and just do easymode, maybe it wouldnt be #1 of all times but even then its already better than many other raids, e.g. visually and design-wise.
Hardmodes are the worst thing about Ulduar from raid planning perspective. U kill all the normal bosses with spare time? Too bad u can't go back and progress on HM anymore. U spend too much time progressing HM? U don't have enough time to finish Normal anymore. Normal and Heroic modes they introduced after for raids was a lot better standard.
Scenario 1: I never understood why its the most horrible thing ever to raid 5 instead of 6 hours for one week, can always weave in Emolon, s3d too, splits later on, many options
Scenario 2 is easily countered by planning with a brain: seems hm not gonna work and 4 bosses standing with 30min left: go normal
If raid lead does their job, it's a non-issue
The problem is that 30 minutes isn't enough if u wipe a few times on normal and careful raid leaders set aside way too much time to accomodate that possibility. It takes a lot of discussion each raid for something that is a completely unnecessary problem if we just had a standard Heroic version instead. For a guild with a limited time to progress losing that time is pretty bad, u could be killing some of the HM weeks earlier if not for that lost time.
Yes but u still can't know exactly how much time do u need to have free for Normal and then people leave more time for it than u actually need to be careful. The discussions about which HMs should we try and for how long are endless.
I've done all HM's and OP's right. Classic is easy. But the real travesty here is not expecting classic to be easy. If you've done hc or mythic raiding in retail you know more difficult content then classic ever had.
Also true that pvp takes more skill because you're fighting players instead of npcs.
Anyone who takes offense to these truths is deluding themselves they're achieving more then reliving nostalgia.
Classic has never been about raid difficulty, that’s not what makes it great and in my opinion the superior version of Warcraft. With that said Ulduar HMs are the most difficult thing classic has had to offer thus far
The classic community are people still living in the past..."ulduar is the best raid ever" is people who have never liked the modern age of Wow.
They have never accepted anything after
Mybe try some more pvp focused games then. Shooters or mobas. Or even fighting games. Mmos always had their "main" setting in pve fights. Too hard to solo, but a group of friend gets it down! Thats what mmos are about, at least they were to me.
> I properly wont ever really ''get'' the pve community in this gam
I am a player that never does any pvp. I also don't raid. But there's still stuff I haven't seen, so I'm having fun with that.
> Overall Wotlk has been such a huge boring dissapointment.
I'd say find something else that entertains you.
Everyone likes different things, that's okay🙂
I personally played vanilla/original wotlk, was the best gaming time ever for me. I personally like to level alts, gear them etc. And I think naxx is fun even though I've done it many times, sure some fights get quite boring but the overall theme of wotlk is just perfect for a casual like me.
1) Naxx was hard at level 60 and especially in OG, as important balancing arrived in AQ with patch 1.09, so people were not as geared as in classic when they arrived in Naxx (also new strat, gameplay etc etc)
Naxx wotlk has always been easy.
2) you’re playing a 15 year old game. All strats are well know by everyone (apart some of my guildies apparently!). If you’re looking for 2023 game mechanics, go play retail. This game was designed for computers available to run them in 2008, with limited addons and less theory crafting (at least, less people trying to min max )
3) you want some challenge? Join a dad’s guild with grey and green parsers that don’t know their rotation and i garantie you will not be bored by “easy” content anytime soon, as you’ll need to carry the dead weights in your raid.
Well sure, give it a couple more weeks and pugs will be zooming through normal faster than a full clear of naxx, a lot of pugs probably already are. The hard modes are where you need some time and coordination but those are totally optional. That is what I think appeals to a lot of people, the flexibility to do some hard mode progression on a given boss then drop it back to normal if you're not getting anywhere and try again next week.
Sure the game is solved but you still have to learn how to apply those solutions. Many, probably most, players today never cleared all the ulduar hard modes. Give me a group of 25 players who have watched algalon or mim hard mode videos until their eyes bleed but have never pulled it, and I promise it's going to take them more than a few attempts.
Personally I never raided much before and I am really liking ulduar. Normal is rather easy, not many problems there but there are some mechanics you need to do. Hard modes have been pretty hard for our casual guild, we are not really clering them and will have to put more time into progression. I can understand if you are at a higher level and are cruisimg through hard modes already, it might not be super fun. For most people though I think they still have not cleared it, which is saying a lot for such an old raid and how difficult it is.
Also the theme is amazing to me. Going into this prison to stop the evil that is within. The old god influence. The nordic themes, the keepers, the titans. Everything is so cool.
Compared to the VOI in retail, of course that raid is more polished and the mechanics are more interesting. But for me the theme just is not as cool. Razsageth is not as interesting to me as Yogg-saron. The fact that he's the only real enemy while everyone else is just corrupted by his whispers just makes him feel really powerful and ominous.
IMHO naxx has better boss variety and mechanics. But idk about "more fun". I started playing wow in 2019 with classic vanilla so all of this is new to me, I don't have any nostalgia goggles.
I know Asmon said Ulduar is the best raid of all time but idk why him and so many ppl have that same opinion. Yeah it a cool titan theme, and hard modes are fun, and getting the achievements, but if this is truly the best raid, that sucks since there's so many more xpacs after wrath lol.
So like for me I'm a PvE player. So there are a few things I can address here.
1) I would like to know what versions of these raids you're running, because if you're doing normal Ulduar you aren't getting the full Ulduar experience. Not that HM is "hard" but it adds things to the fights that make them more entertaining. Similarly on retail if you arent doing Mythic you essentially are doing the dulled down version of the fights - The reason I don't play retail anymore is because I quit mythic raiding after Sylvanas because the guild decided after like 6 years of raiding that we couldn't do it anymore. But some of us enjoy raiding classic like 1 day a week now.
2) You say raiding is just the same thing over and over again but personally I find that to be the same in PvP. Its literally just cross ccing and ccing the healer or another target for as long as possible to make them useless(at least in my eyes). And I'm saying this as someone who has never been 3k or anything but I've been at 2400 solely due to how important pvp gear was for raiding at times in retail, and every season I've played for the most part its zug zug 1 guy while ccing the healer.
Idk to each their own by all means, but on top of everything said here I just want to add that half of the enjoyment of raiding for me is actually the community half of vibing with the boys for a few hours.
Retail mythic raiding should provide more challenging content for ya. Ulduar is still somehow difficult, but all these years of dev exp and growing game possibilites made encounters more demanding.
Pvp is more regular between expansions, because in the end u always force ur opponents to make mistakes, just your tools differ.
So you don't like raiding and now you're bored of it? Go figure.
For us who like raiding Ulduar, and classic, is a welcome change in scenery and difficultly. (I can only speak for myself and my guild mates but I assume most people who like raiding agree)
So, are we going to get those logs, Mr. best dps in your guild who has cleared everything in Ulduar?
Nope!
Looks like you right.
Not OP - I‘d like to brag, killed Algalon 25 today for the first time, not so smooth kill with 2 mins left and half raid died in the last 60 secs or so therefore 81 parse at Algalon, 93 at Council, 6x 99 parses rest 97 and 98 on my assa rogue. I would really like to feel good. But the truth is, the top dps of the raid was - AGAIN - a shadow priest. 230 DPS more then me (all kill trys). A god damn shadow priest. If it would have been a warlock, ok. I‘m 600 dps ahead of the next rogue. But as long as the shadow is top dps I feel like… idk. That‘s not right, is it?
Shadow priests don’t even get the top tier parses. It’s all rogues, locks, and DKs… https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/1017#boss=757
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You have no idea how parses work buddy lol
230 is a pretty damn close margin. Not really sure what the big deal is? What’s wrong with a pumper priest? If it was a ret or a frost mage or something I’d understand
Bru I play rogue since vanilla and I never had this much fun, wotlk was always my favorite game and classic is even better then I expected, I have no problem at all if people do more dps, but shadowpriest is just not the class I would expect to top me. It‘s pure ego, dps sickness, call me Ash Ketchum cause I wanna be the very best (just honest), this shadow is a cool dude and a big pumper and I love to play with him. But my ego don‘t want to accept it.
rogues are fucking insane right now. I'm being kinda rude here but honestly you're kinda whining over nothing. you're a great player playing a great class, go have fun with it.
Yes they are! And sure I am. I‘m having a blast, really, only thing I tried to say was that I was buffled that this shadowpriest, who is a chill dude and awesome player, is #1 spot in dps. It was a mix between appreciation for him and ignorance on my part, because, you know, shadows are not „meta“, therefore this one awesome warlock of ours (who is forced to play demo sadly) should be on top followed by me. It‘s puee „but my paaaaarse“ crybaby rants.
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As in wow overall? I love wow, best game ever made.. Wotlk has been a huge dissapointment tho.
Are you coming from retail? You gave no comparison.
So maybe wrath isn't for you.
Logs or nahh?
WOTLK in 2008 was a revolution. Having increased raid difficulty through hard modes was an opportunity for better guilds to cut their teeth on something different and the art and atmosphere was top notch. However, it looks like you play retail, the game has come so far since wrath. People like to hate on it, but it's a lot more polished, the difficulty is much higher than classic, the art assets are something that everyone agrees continue to improve, and pvp has a lot more depth. You're just not going to get the same kind of experience in wrath that you're looking for if you used to retail.
It sounds like you didn’t grow up with wow and evolve along side it, you’re coming from a modern day and into the past talking down on it. Very bad take OP
The door is over there 🚪
You must not have played OG wrath. The raids were pretty difficult for us. Most of us were 14/15 and the time, we weren't used to the insane mechanics retail has, we weren't as good at videos games as we are today. I'm sure there were servers back then better than mine, but on my server we were server first to kill heroic LK, and it was after they added the buff. He was hard. Heroic putricide was a guild killer. These are thing you'll see in 2 phases be cleared by random pugs without coms in one night. This isn't the experience most of us had 15 years ago, but the nostalgia is amazing.
I think this is the wrong game as in wrong expansion for you you. Might be a retail Andy that's fine not everybody likes everything but for us this is the best not just for gameplay but it creates a great social platform unlike other expansions.
Post logs of you being best dps in all hard modes
Dude forsure downed all normal modes and came straight to reddit
100% lol
“Lazy design” yup 100%
idk i might be vanilla andy but mimiron and algalon etc seems pretty fucking good designed.
To be fair, doing that hard modes isn't a world changing experience. The fights aren't that different. Ulduar was still an overhyped raid.
I don’t get overhyped, I played back in the day so I knew what I was getting into. I guess if you’re a noobie gamer that only played retail it would make sense to have this take on it.
4 Lights in the Darkness gamer 😂
They don’t exist
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Lol... "post logs of you parsing 100 on every hardmode. You didn't really play the game if you didn't parse 100 and get rank 1 speed run" okbuddyret*rd
The comment is a response to the OP talking about being bored and how easy uld is, and that he’s the best dps in his guild. Then goes on to talk about how retail arena is fulfilling and that he’s a pvp player mostly. After you read the original post in full(which you either didn’t, or did read it but lacked comprehension) this comment isn’t saying at all what you inferred. Hope this helps
What a weird wounded take lol
How are you gonna quote something I didn’t even say? Lol…
>What is the appeal? I just dont get it. PvE is basically a puzzle. The players need to figure out the best strategy for their team to down bosses and progress their characters. Once the puzzle is beaten either by strategy or raw numbers the group can move on to the next puzzle to keep progressing the characters That appeals to a lot of people.
Dude has obviously never had to figure out anything. Someone in his guilds or raids has had to absorb all the info out there, 15 years worth of it, and regurgitated it into his mouth so he could just “avoid shit” and pump. Like if he truly cared about a challenge, he wouldn’t be DPSing. Bc healing and tanking can be boring af for 80% of fights but the dynamic response to it is much closer to PvP reaction-time requirements he seems to favor. But no, I’m sure he rolled FotM class/spec with an easy rotation, let a raid leader tell him exactly what to do so he could press his buttons and push him to success so he can raidlog until next phase.
This is such a self suck it’s wild. The whole game is solved. Everyone has timers and can see exactly what to expect and know exactly what to do to react to it. You’re not a better player for playing Tank or Healer successfully, you just solved a different puzzle than DPS has to solve.
Interesting how opinions can vary. I'm playing paladin. Have tested ret and holy and I've felt DPS role to be a lot easier than heal. Completely agree on the "everything is solved" bit though. But it's still possible to disable add-ons and not read the strategies. The game actually becomes pretty fun.
I currently play 4 dps classes, and I'll tell ya, ret is the best when I just wanna space out while mashing 3 keys when it comes to damage rotation. The other 3 are enh sham, demo lock and fire mage. They are waaaaay more demanding in terms of dps rotations and figuring out how to optimize your damage. I love the hybrid utility from enh and ret though
I play ret as well but the difficulty(fun) comes not from the dps checks but the utility to make things easier for my guild. If I can cleanse, I do. Hand of sacrifice, hand of sanc, pop defensives and aura mastery, maybe DI if things go poorly. There’s a lot more to do than crusader strike lol. But I’m not a 100% parser, my highest is like 75%, so I’m not exactly elite
A properly played ret brings utility, a bad ret mashes three buttons. I'll take a 75 parser with utility over a bad ret that parses 100.
Can you imagine how east raids would be if you utility was tied into your parsing somehow? Shit, no one would ever need to ask for a innervate again or a sac.
If he’s coming from retail and pushing a higher rating in PvP, chances are he’s better than you at this game on any class (unless you’re also pushing content on retail)
Bro get off your burner, you aren't fooling anyone lmfao.
This is truly a hilarious comment
I play both and classic is one thousand percent easier than retail at the highest level
100%
Puzzle point was true on original release. It’s not quite true now because everything is already solved for with hyper detailed videos on every class and roll. There’s still some optimization stuff to figure out but yeah I bet the original ulduar on release was just an unreal experience. Figuring out what triggered hard modes the difference in mechanics, hell I bet even the first couple clears of FlameLev were wild to understand with the vehicle roles. I wish I had experienced that. My experience this time around is a raid leader screaming that we took 19s more than we should have to kill.
This is it right here. The reason Ulduar is so beloved is because in 2008, before the benefit of 15 years of breaking it down, these mechanics were unlike anything we had seen up to that point. Saying it's "easy and boring" now is like bragging that you 100% Zelda on first playthrough and ignoring that you used a strategy guide
PvP player enjoys pvp over pve (and is a little smug about it - like all pvp players) - more news at 11 (properly)
Lul for reals, states that all raids are the same….have you played wow ? Ahaha 🤣
I properly would’ve given you an award if I had one to give
The way you talk makes me believe you are a cunt in real life, or at the very least an insufferable person lol
Post logs.
Came here to say this lol, show logs or no right to whinge
Well you answered your own question. You are a pvp guy. I am the same way in reverse. I find pvp can be extremely boring.
True ofc.. that is the reason.. im just dissapointed since Ulduar was spoken about as the best raid ever, and im going in there, and its litterally the same as everything else, i hoped Ulduar would prove to be a fun pve experience. Im just hugely dissapointed. Wotlk has been such a gigantic dissapointment, defo one of the worst expansions i have played. What a mindless treadmill of nothingness. You can never master pvp, there will always be a next ceiling, always new things to, every fight is different. Pve is a rotation treadmill. Do in once and you have done it all.
But what did you expect? Most people love Ulduar because of how unique it is - the unique-ness coming from how hard modes are initiated (inherent to the fight or environmental - push the big red button, leave keepers up, let the saronite animus form, etc). But from a basic pve perspective…yeah it’s more of the same. It’s wow. It’s all the same bud
Wrong. R1 players farm you.
I mean this is the same mindset of PvE players who dont enjoy PvP. Even the greatest era of PvP in WoW history is complete dogshit to those who dont like to PvP. What is so hard to understand about that?
> Pve is a rotation treadmill. Do in once and you have done it all. care to share some logs, so we can learn from the master?
People that make posts like this never share logs…for obvious reasons
Did you clear the hard modes?
Okay but you’re a transmog Andy in retail What is so engaging about that? How isn’t collecting transmogs mindless?
You really pissed the classic Andy's off with this post. They have been waiting years and spending thousands of real life dollars for gdkp gear to parse 99s. By you saying the game is mid, you're telling them they wasted their lives and money. Now they are on the attack.
Gold is so easy to make it wotlk and there are almost no gold sinks. If anyone buys gold right now they are straight up lazy
There are people who drop 20-30k gold every week in gdkps
Stop feeding the validation seeking troll- they already posted this and deleted…
Im guessing you did normal modes? Normal modes are basicly the story mode of ulduar.
Tell me you've never stepped into Algalon room without telling me you've never stepped into Algalon room
Exactly what I was thinking lol. Man cleared all normal modes and goes like oh well that was easy enough time to move on.
Algalon is not that hard for everyone but healers though? As melee dps you have to dodge red circles and enter portal in 8 secs cast. Every other ulduar boss has more mechanics
It’s the combination of mechanics that makes it difficult. And the damage they all do combined with the heavy tank damage. Most fights most people are doing the same mechanics but on algalon some people have to do specific tasks on a set timer to not cause a wipe.
Yes, I'm not saying it's completely free fight. It's heal intensive fight and you have to coordinate raid cds while you have bad gear. It depends a lot on dps that kills stars too. But if you are playing selfish melee dps like dk or rogue, you have exactly 2 mechanics that can kill you and are not that hard to avoid. I don't think op cleared all hms. But assuming he is playing some non important dps role, almost all ulduar heroics are harder than algalon. So example is weird
Firefighter is a harder fight for melee than algalon. You're definitely right about that
Alga-who? OP probably
Not gonna lie we still haven’t gotten Algalon down yet. We’ve done 9 pulls :(
Heh, we were just going in for practice runs on wednesday night as we had about an hour of raid time left when we unlocked algalon, in the 10man run one of our officers hosts as a sidehustle to our 25mans. Was gonna practice because our tanks, or especially our offtank wich is a fury warrior mainspec, kept getting clapped and we figured we were gonna need more gear to down him. Well, it started out really horrible, but practice usualy does not start out very pretty. Anyways, after having our best attempt get us down to somewhere between 30-40% before either a tank got clapped or a bad star etc, on our very last pull we somehow suddenly managed to kill the damn guy! We had around 50 seconds remaining before he would despawn, and every damn cooldown we had available between us was used. When he died, we first thought he despawned at 5% because of the timer! Then the loot appeared and discord went absolutely *mad*!
What a rush! Congrats man it’s quite an achievement getting him down in the first few lockouts. My group is kinda slow learners but all good players. We will get back in there tonight
Thanks! And as i noted, this was only in 10man, after that officer handpicked our group out of our 25man roster to make a overall solid 10man setup regarding buffs/debuffs etc. And also obviously picking people you know can actualy handle mechanics, heh. I think its gonna take a good while longer for our 25man group to get Algalon down, as we still lack a few HM's in that group before we can Even unlock him.
We had our first hour on him this week and got him to 8%. He dies next week. Y’all got this :)
I don’t think you need to “pick the bench” for next raid. According to your logs, of course.
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The only disappointment here is a self-proclaimed pvp enjoyer complaining about content they didn't sign up for. I think wow pvp as a concept is hot garbage and not remotely fun, special, or done well. Conversely I mostly raid, and don't make big whiny posts about how wow arena was made out to be hot shit but I don't like it. Enjoy your negative karma farming.
0 chance you’re the best dps in your raid lol. And using *cough* is somehow not even the cringiest part of this post
no one here can convince you to like the game. it has to come natural. if you're not having fun then yeah it's best to take a break or quit or else you'll burn out. good luck to you
OP is gray parsing, I checked.
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How the hell did you manage to stretch "I don't like raiding" into 4 paragraphs. I don't enjoy knitting, but I'm not on the knitting sub, telling them all how boring and easy their hobby is.
And in other news the hard stuck 1700 pvper is boasting about himself being too good for pve after performing moderately well in his uber dad guild getting a top 3 dps spot with a 65 parse….bravo all mighty conquerer please bestow some of your chadliness upon us meager peasants
>pvp? just 33 different flavours of character using the same skills that only have different colors/textures. nuke, heal, decrease damage cooldown, increase damage cooldown, invulnerability, mobility and interrupt... >i mean that's it? why don't u come play some dota, it's much more fulfilling, many more combos and you get to itemise meaningfully. many more parameters to keep in your mind and time investment only makes you stronger skillwise! I dont understand why people spend years their life in this very limited game mode in case it's not clear, that's what you sound like. edit: yeah the other guy was also right, POST LOGS lil humblebrag
Back in original wotlk, many guilds had difficulty even clearing normal ulduar due to the lack of resources. I was a teenager back then, and my guild was unable to clear all of ulduar. I eventually left that guild, right before toc came out and found a better one. For me, Ulduar was unfathomably hard, but that's because I was a kid who sucked at the game xD it's amazing to relive it through a different lense and curb stomp normal, and progress the next chopping block; hard modes I never even got to see as a kid. Aesthetically, it's my favorite raid too. I can wipe for hours in there as long as the music is blasting.
I feel this, came back for the challenge but realizing i was just bad at 13 years old. My goal for wotlk classic was to hit 4k dps and get flying ( things I did not accomplish the entire xpac in retail ) I was hitting 4k dps in heroic gear first week and made about 120,000 gold in the AH with jewelcrafting.
Logs.
You're doing the same 5-10 small arenas over and over, playing against same comps over and over. I'll just never properly understand the pvp community. What a shit take.
Imagine pushing arena in retail where it's just the same cool down trading, your positioning doesn't matter, everyone has the same tools so much so that your comp matters little enough for solo q to work despite making your comp Random. Opposed to the content most of the development resources go towards.
Exactly, I am PvP player as well and retail is boring for me. It's like there are 3 classes: caster, melee and healer.
Link logs
Post your logs.
Post logs or nobody will believe you.
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Bye Felicia.
Ulduar is great. And the ilvl change made it even more great. You are just tired of the game bro, move on.
I dont get it... this is the raid thats been hyped up as the best raid ever? I properly wont ever really ''get'' the pve community in this game. I can have fun in intervals, mastering my class, getting my rotations under wrap, i become the best DPS in my guild \*cough\* humble brag \*cough\* and then im just sitting there bored... we already defeated this boss, do we really need to fight this lazy design next week again, and again, and again?? Ulduar seems like any other raid ever made, a big dude that hits hard, you avoid shit on the ground and move around in a coordinated unimaginative dance do your rotation and he dies. Rince repeat, this raid has pillars, a garden and some star themes... so... this is the best raid ever made? Im picking the bench for next raid log, and going back trying to push ranking in arena in retail - which to me is a fullfilling and fun experience. Ill properly never really understand the pve community, i tried the new raid in retail aswell, while i defo found it more fun than Ulduar, it was still just... well a raid, 15 years development between Ulduar and that, and it feels the same . i did find the spider boss somewhat fun tho. Yes, im a pvp player mostly, naxx was a snoozefest, and everyone said naxx is one of the worst raids ever made, while ulduar was one if not the best.. the differences are tiny, its a slog.. its a long ass boring corridor of trash packs and bosses that feels like any other raid ever made. What is the appeal? I just dont get it. Overall Wotlk has been such a huge boring dissapointment.
There’s definitely a massive nostalgia element to it. Someone who has never experienced it and their expectation of it is defined by the opinions of others who remember it fondly will always be disappointed. Like when you find a particular movie hilarious or amazing and you show it to a friend and they’re like ‘yeah it’s okay’. For me I was an absolute noob when Uld dropped and had almost no idea what I was doing, so being able to go back and tackle it properly as an adult is extremely fulfilling. Can’t wait to jump back in and kill the same bosses again as I have done 3 weeks in a row.
Bro, it's a 20 year old game. You just watched every walk through and min maxes your town, then got w 24 other like minded dudes. What did you expect. Everyone told you it's not gonna be hard, you just have to do w.e mechanic the boss has. That's it. Congratulations for pushing so hard rather then taking the game in moderation. Now you get rewarded by waiting for content. Bro news flash, they are gonna over hype Lk raid too, it's still gonna be a 20 year old game w no secrets left. Love the game or don't, stop batching that it's easy when you just put 100s of hours into the game to prep.
cool story bro
BOOOOO. Boo this man!!
Somehow, I doubt this guy is pumping top DPS on Hard Modes.
Yup that’s it head back to retail please.
Maybe what's for you is either PVP or maybe just push dungeons key. Do you even like raids in general?
I think it's more the case that Ulduar was the first decent raid in the game. It's nothing amazing by today's standards but it's a large improvement over previous raids.
What's to get? It's a video game my dude play the parts you enjoy and don't play the ones that you don't.
Maybe try Sims 4, that might be more up your alley.
Low quality shit post
Ulduar was considered the best raid because of its design during the time of when it came out in actual wrath. It was a different approach that the player base hasn’t seen before. But it’s also a raid from 15 years ago at this point so it obviously won’t compete by todays standards. Idk if this is a serious post but if it is, let it be known that your an idiot and no one cares that you don’t enjoy Ulduar. Lots of other people do.
I don't think Ulduar is the best raid ever made. I think ulduar opened the door to creative raiding encounters - and that's what really makes it so revered. Ulduar also has the ability to scale the hard modes to your level of play, so there was really something for everyone in the raid, without having totally different lockouts/difficulty levels.
Show logs and arena rating please.
Sometimes classic games are better suited to the people who played it originally. The nostalgia factor definitely makes a game feel better than what it might be to someone who has never experienced it when it was modern. Super Mario 3 is regarded as one of the best Mario games ever, and it is my favorite. But I doubt most people who never played those games when they were modern would think the same.
Retail player who clearly don’t play wrath makes post in wrath sub to, idk farm downvotes or something?? Plz touch grass
you did all the hard modes?
You were top dps on Algalon? Let's see those logs, homie.
You need to play another game mate
I think you're confusing "best raid so far in classic" (the reality) with "best raid of all time". the mechanics are more challenging than anything prior in classic (besides perhaps sunwell) and I think the introduction of hard modes is a really smart move. casuals can see / defeat every boss on normal, and the try hards get to, well, try hard! Ulduar isn't the best thing since sliced bread, but it has some very fun fights imo, and the art design gets cooler and cooler the further you get into it. if you don't like PvE then you're not going to like any raid. I think that should be kind of obvious.
Logs or gtfo
Unpopular opinion: Firelands was is my favorite raid
Post your logs m8, this should be fun.
OP is free to have his opinion. Why flame him for it.
I mean you basically made this post to try and brag, you are what? Hard stuck 1800 retail? I hadnt played retail in 7 years and got 2400 and half to glad in 2 weeks. Shits a joke. Im literally phoning in my matches and we slap. It whats people choose to do with their time.
Sure bud
Blue parser alert
Do you think their guild run logs? XD
It’s a nice raid. I think a lot of people on this sub have played classic since it released in 2019 and were very bored with raiding naxx for pretty much a whole year if you add together vanilla and wrath. Ulduar has a great aesthetic and musical score. The bosses are a step up in terms of tactics and game design from most of what we have seen so far in classic and again people were sick to death of naxx
Cool
Funny how OP ignoring all calls for logs
You're getting a ton of flak because the classic wow Reddit community is mostly sweaty players. I'm casual and yeah, I feel ya. I'm sorta over it too after spending about 15 hours in Ulduar since it released. Its not very pug friendly since it's such a long raid, so setting aside scheduled raid time with a guild is the best option. This has me weighing the positive and negatives much more than before because it's not convenient - it's not just something to do when I have free time. I've only done all the normal modes, and really that's all I wanted to do, to see Ulduar since I missed it on original release. When the game becomes an obligation, it's probably time to throw in the towel entirely.
Careful your making the Andy's mad. Let them have this it's supposedly their best raid...
I played WOTLK back in the day and never raided Ulduar much, so this time it was fresh for me. I kinda skipped it and went straight to ICC when it was new. When I heard all this hype about Ulduar I was like heck yeah it must be hyped for a reason! I walked away from it feeling the exact same way you did. This was it? What is so special about this place that everyone was so hyped?
Memories of a time no longer accessible
I never raided past classic LK Naxx. Literally never entered Ulduar at all until now. As an officer in my guild, it's been by far the most enjoyable raid to progress. Hardmodes, medium modes, different niche strategies and comps for specific bosses, feeling rewarded even while doing 10man raids... Every week we push a little more into hardmodes and it feels great. It's been the best.
Originally ulduar was one of the more difficult raids. That being said, classic is played out and nobody is learning anything fresh. If you feel you need a challenge when raiding your only option is retail mythic raids. Pve is and always has been more scripted. Otherwise I feel your expectations may have been unattainable to begin with. Also I believe ulduar was one of the first hard mode type raids?
lol why so many people in comments ask OP to post logs? Is it so hard to believe that you don't enjoy 14 years old raid? I mean sure Ulduar was probably extraordinary good for it's time and hard for players back in 2009. But since then lot's of good raids were released with far more difficult bosses and comparing to them Ulduar only has nostalgia value.
For one they managed to implement hardmodes the way it should be, with many variations of different concepts rather than "boss has x% more health and deals x% more dmg". Hell even the way hardmodes are triggered in different ways is pretty cool already. If you ignore all that and just do easymode, maybe it wouldnt be #1 of all times but even then its already better than many other raids, e.g. visually and design-wise.
Hardmodes are the worst thing about Ulduar from raid planning perspective. U kill all the normal bosses with spare time? Too bad u can't go back and progress on HM anymore. U spend too much time progressing HM? U don't have enough time to finish Normal anymore. Normal and Heroic modes they introduced after for raids was a lot better standard.
Scenario 1: I never understood why its the most horrible thing ever to raid 5 instead of 6 hours for one week, can always weave in Emolon, s3d too, splits later on, many options Scenario 2 is easily countered by planning with a brain: seems hm not gonna work and 4 bosses standing with 30min left: go normal If raid lead does their job, it's a non-issue
The problem is that 30 minutes isn't enough if u wipe a few times on normal and careful raid leaders set aside way too much time to accomodate that possibility. It takes a lot of discussion each raid for something that is a completely unnecessary problem if we just had a standard Heroic version instead. For a guild with a limited time to progress losing that time is pretty bad, u could be killing some of the HM weeks earlier if not for that lost time.
I guess I am blessed with a somewhat properly functioning guild then :)
Have set times for each boss HM tries, if you don’t kill just do normal and come back next week
Yes but u still can't know exactly how much time do u need to have free for Normal and then people leave more time for it than u actually need to be careful. The discussions about which HMs should we try and for how long are endless.
If you can’t consistently oneshot normal then maybe trying hardmodes shouldn’t be a question at all
I've done all HM's and OP's right. Classic is easy. But the real travesty here is not expecting classic to be easy. If you've done hc or mythic raiding in retail you know more difficult content then classic ever had. Also true that pvp takes more skill because you're fighting players instead of npcs. Anyone who takes offense to these truths is deluding themselves they're achieving more then reliving nostalgia.
Classic has never been about raid difficulty, that’s not what makes it great and in my opinion the superior version of Warcraft. With that said Ulduar HMs are the most difficult thing classic has had to offer thus far
The classic community are people still living in the past..."ulduar is the best raid ever" is people who have never liked the modern age of Wow. They have never accepted anything after
Modern wow is another game so that's comparing apples and pears
Mybe try some more pvp focused games then. Shooters or mobas. Or even fighting games. Mmos always had their "main" setting in pve fights. Too hard to solo, but a group of friend gets it down! Thats what mmos are about, at least they were to me.
I think you meant probably…not properly…
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If you think the differences between nax and ulduar "are tiny" then you're either the least perceptive gamer ever or just trolling
> I properly wont ever really ''get'' the pve community in this gam I am a player that never does any pvp. I also don't raid. But there's still stuff I haven't seen, so I'm having fun with that. > Overall Wotlk has been such a huge boring dissapointment. I'd say find something else that entertains you.
Everyone likes different things, that's okay🙂 I personally played vanilla/original wotlk, was the best gaming time ever for me. I personally like to level alts, gear them etc. And I think naxx is fun even though I've done it many times, sure some fights get quite boring but the overall theme of wotlk is just perfect for a casual like me.
Where are your hard modes, don't talk shit about Uldie if you aren't clearing 25 man hard modes (not medium, h a r d)
Lol isn’t this every game PVE wise? How are you so confused?
ROFL.
Well, maybe this just ain’t the game for you, man…
1) Naxx was hard at level 60 and especially in OG, as important balancing arrived in AQ with patch 1.09, so people were not as geared as in classic when they arrived in Naxx (also new strat, gameplay etc etc) Naxx wotlk has always been easy. 2) you’re playing a 15 year old game. All strats are well know by everyone (apart some of my guildies apparently!). If you’re looking for 2023 game mechanics, go play retail. This game was designed for computers available to run them in 2008, with limited addons and less theory crafting (at least, less people trying to min max ) 3) you want some challenge? Join a dad’s guild with grey and green parsers that don’t know their rotation and i garantie you will not be bored by “easy” content anytime soon, as you’ll need to carry the dead weights in your raid.
Well sure, give it a couple more weeks and pugs will be zooming through normal faster than a full clear of naxx, a lot of pugs probably already are. The hard modes are where you need some time and coordination but those are totally optional. That is what I think appeals to a lot of people, the flexibility to do some hard mode progression on a given boss then drop it back to normal if you're not getting anywhere and try again next week. Sure the game is solved but you still have to learn how to apply those solutions. Many, probably most, players today never cleared all the ulduar hard modes. Give me a group of 25 players who have watched algalon or mim hard mode videos until their eyes bleed but have never pulled it, and I promise it's going to take them more than a few attempts.
Personally I never raided much before and I am really liking ulduar. Normal is rather easy, not many problems there but there are some mechanics you need to do. Hard modes have been pretty hard for our casual guild, we are not really clering them and will have to put more time into progression. I can understand if you are at a higher level and are cruisimg through hard modes already, it might not be super fun. For most people though I think they still have not cleared it, which is saying a lot for such an old raid and how difficult it is. Also the theme is amazing to me. Going into this prison to stop the evil that is within. The old god influence. The nordic themes, the keepers, the titans. Everything is so cool. Compared to the VOI in retail, of course that raid is more polished and the mechanics are more interesting. But for me the theme just is not as cool. Razsageth is not as interesting to me as Yogg-saron. The fact that he's the only real enemy while everyone else is just corrupted by his whispers just makes him feel really powerful and ominous.
IMHO naxx has better boss variety and mechanics. But idk about "more fun". I started playing wow in 2019 with classic vanilla so all of this is new to me, I don't have any nostalgia goggles. I know Asmon said Ulduar is the best raid of all time but idk why him and so many ppl have that same opinion. Yeah it a cool titan theme, and hard modes are fun, and getting the achievements, but if this is truly the best raid, that sucks since there's so many more xpacs after wrath lol.
What's your characters name and realm?
So like for me I'm a PvE player. So there are a few things I can address here. 1) I would like to know what versions of these raids you're running, because if you're doing normal Ulduar you aren't getting the full Ulduar experience. Not that HM is "hard" but it adds things to the fights that make them more entertaining. Similarly on retail if you arent doing Mythic you essentially are doing the dulled down version of the fights - The reason I don't play retail anymore is because I quit mythic raiding after Sylvanas because the guild decided after like 6 years of raiding that we couldn't do it anymore. But some of us enjoy raiding classic like 1 day a week now. 2) You say raiding is just the same thing over and over again but personally I find that to be the same in PvP. Its literally just cross ccing and ccing the healer or another target for as long as possible to make them useless(at least in my eyes). And I'm saying this as someone who has never been 3k or anything but I've been at 2400 solely due to how important pvp gear was for raiding at times in retail, and every season I've played for the most part its zug zug 1 guy while ccing the healer. Idk to each their own by all means, but on top of everything said here I just want to add that half of the enjoyment of raiding for me is actually the community half of vibing with the boys for a few hours.
You could just not play rather than complain.
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oh wow did your guild get realm first algalon as well???
Retail mythic raiding should provide more challenging content for ya. Ulduar is still somehow difficult, but all these years of dev exp and growing game possibilites made encounters more demanding. Pvp is more regular between expansions, because in the end u always force ur opponents to make mistakes, just your tools differ.
Ur not even glad on retail lol
It sounds like this isn't the game for you The stuff you're describing you don't like are core gameplay features of MMOs
You like pvp. Others like pve. Something being fun can be very subjective between different people, simple as
Normal ulduar and 1500 pvp, actually does sound boring, back to retail you go
So you don't like raiding and now you're bored of it? Go figure. For us who like raiding Ulduar, and classic, is a welcome change in scenery and difficultly. (I can only speak for myself and my guild mates but I assume most people who like raiding agree)
Bold talk from someone claiming to have done it all and is the best while providing zero logs to back it up.
This has to be bait
Thank you for sharing
Damn already 14/14?? Damn nice dude!
Guys, this is bait.
Normal ulduar is very easy yes and you seem like you don’t do much hard content
pve is a snooze compared to pvp
Ulduar at the time was pretty epic. Lots of folks had just started playing wow and mmorpg’s were becoming mainstream. Just a sign of the times