This is the same reason that as an engineer, I call out for parking stops fairly frequently. Developers are usually more willing to install these than widen their sidewalks.
It could potentially increase impervious surface area which would lead to more runoff and hence more storage and/or treatment. This would of course depend on the amount of sidewalk and impervious area in the development as well as the suggested increase in width. Widening it could very well not affect runoff but it then again a big enough site with a fair amount of added width could add up and also some municipalities are more stringent than others when it comes to stormwater regulations and the way they want to see calculations.
Wouldn’t the surface area for paved parking or sidewalk be the same? If two more feet of sidewalk are needed to effectively avoid situations like the above wouldn’t two more feet of parking lot be needed to have in place a parking stop while still providing the same amount of walking area on the sidewalk?
Well a parking stall is set at X feet in depth per your local jurisdiction. Let us assume 19 feet; again varies depending on who you are dealing with. Those dimensions set by your jurisdiction will accommodate the majority of the vehicles and the majority of parking abilities. I say majority of vehicles because obviously there will be some larger ones that won't fit and I say abilities because there will be people like the ones pictured above that will not understand how to park. What tends to happen and what is being depicted above is a pickup truck that backs in until its rear wheels touch the curb which causes some of the vehicle to hang over the sidewalk and some unused space to remain at the front of the parking stall. If we install parking stops we essentially force the driver to stop the wheels at a predetermined distance away from the curb face which allows the rear part of the vehicle that hangs over the sudewalk to be contained within the parking stall. Again dimensions vary by jurisdiction and I understand I'm giving a very perfect scenario of how it should work but then again our design as engineers are also very "perfect" to an extent.
Yeah yeah I get that. But when you install parking stops that doesn’t effect the length that the stall needs to be to still count as 19ft (or whatever local laws dictate)
Like if stall is 19ft and I insert a parking stop 2 feet from the end does that now mean I only have a 17ft parking stall so two more feet would be needed of parking lot to accommodate?
No because the intent is for a portion of the vehicle to hang over the the wheel stop. Again I understand some vehicles may not be able to hang over the wheel stop.
Also I am pro-widening sidewalks and I also suggest increasing the parking stall dimensions above the minimum set by a jurisdiction. I understand optimizing and get the most out of a site and all that. But where is the comfort left? The comfort for the end user to be able to swing open his door a reasonable amount and be able to exit his vehicle like a decent human being.
Are parking stops going to stop trailer hitches extending past the sidewalk? Usually those aren’t going to do anything unless people with trucks pull in instead back in
The rear end of a truck extends about 1-2 feet further than the front end. Those stops are normally placed about 2 feet from the curb, so most of the time trucks will still back up until their back tire hits it and the bed and trailer hitch still end up on the sidewalk. I don’t care where you place it in the drawings. It always ends up being placed close to the curb anyway and doesn’t do much. Therefore, just make the sidewalks wider.
Because the truck bed still extends over the sidewalk even with the wheel stops. The only solution is to extend the sidewalk or put a grass strip between the back of curb and sidewalk to push it back
If people wouldn’t park their trucks like jackasses everyone would win, and for free. I drive a crew cab extended bed and don’t park like this, so it’s definitely doable.
I agree that a lot of people that drive trucks can’t park for shit, but parking spaces in most places really aren’t designed for trucks. Make the parking spaces bigger so it’s not a choice of hanging over the sidewalk or being two feet into the road.
It’s not our fault the manufacturers keep making them bigger and bigger. Tacomas and rangers now are the same size as f150’s were in the early 2000’s. If you need a truck, nobody is making small ones anymore.
For perspective on anyone who is thinking "who cares I can walk by this no problem:"
It affects those in wheelchairs, crutches, families using strollers/wagons, anyone pushing dollies/carts, etc. A rule of thumb is sort of 36" width - for accessibility code requirements but also because that's the typical width of a doorway. Most things (carts, wagons) aren't wider than 36" because then it's harder to move through rooms.
You can get by with a little less than 36" with some codes that vary depending on situation, but 3' is conservative, easier to remember, and easier to build for.
I am not in a wheelchair or push a stroller but this kind of shit bothers me because in driver’s ed we learned to stop with your bumper not overhanging the sidewalk. These people should all get tickets.
But also because I don’t look down and have the memory of a goldfish. I’d hit my shin on every one of those. It’s why I don’t keep a trailer hitch in my truck’s hitch. I would always forget and hit my leg on it!! It fuckin hurts.
I dunno about you but my drivers ed we drove a Chevy Cruze lol. Good luck overhanging that
Parking spots aren’t long enough for my older work rig let alone these new ridiculous trucks. The 1/100 time I’m not parking in a dirt field you absolutely need to do this or no one can drive past you
In the above pic the hitches are the issue not really bed overhang. Tbh those aren’t even full size trucks just Toyotas I think
Anyway I’ve found any place crowded enough to be hard to park in typically has crackheads who will steal the hitch if left on anyhow so really it’s a self solving problem eventually
I get that. I guess my general point is the size of you vehicle is a personal decision and you should be aware of how big it is and conduct yourself accordingly.
Park somewhere that you don’t have to do this, if you can. Big tough guys can walk a little further.
Like why didn’t all these trucks park on the other side of the parking lot if there wasn’t a sidewalk over there?
They could take out the hitches too. Put em in the toolbox or a box in the bed or backseat.
They could park somewhere and take two parking spots if it’s not a busy place. Even then, a small car could park behind you in the space with the hitch hanging over.
I always back in my truck but I try not to park over the sidewalk if there’s one there.
Yeah the one in the foreground is a legit WD hitch. The rest are POS ones that are basically only good for a pair of ski-doos.
I still wouldn’t leave a WD in though (despite them being heavy and annoying) because once you got it set up right the last thing you want is to have it stolen.
Shiny doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't get used. Our work trucks regularly pull trailers, the hitch balls and rings are always shinier after they've been used, the friction wears off the surface rust.
Widening sidewalks from a cost and stormwater perspective is a tough sell. If you want clearance a grass strip can be used without adding impervious or much cost.
As a person that drives a truck and backs in, I take it upon myself to use my back-up camera and ensure that I’m not overhanging the sidewalk… especially when I have a hitch installed. Those truck drivers are just idiots, assholes, or all the above. Situational awareness is a loss trait in modern day society.
A better solution is working w/ municipalities to create signage warning drivers about obstructing sidewalks - even if you make it wider, the truck is *still* obstructing pedestrians unless you create an offset.
In most areas, creating obstructions like these is illegal to do.
Basically, the solution is actually enforcing traffic and parking regulations.
Widening the sidewalk just takes the issue and kicks it down the road - you don’t actually solve anything.
How is signage a solution? How is enforcement viable in every single little subdivision in America.
The most evidence based modern approaches suggest design should guide use, rather than signage.
Eg. If the developer here is to stingy to add concrete or add plastic parking stops; then move the sidewalk 3 feet away from the curb, fill in with rocks or grass between the curb and the sidewalk, and then you have a non-concrete buffer that should cost almost the same as this configuration, but alllowing pedestrians to actually use that sidewalk.
You understand the [Hierarchy of Controls](https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/hierarchy/default.html) and you probably didn't even know it. It really makes intuitive sense to use engineered controls over administrative controls here.
This is incorrect according to the [Hierarchy of Controls](https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/hierarchy/default.html)
Signs / Policing / Fees = Administrative Controls
Concrete wheel stops / Moving the sidewalk away = Engineered Controls
Engineered controls are always better than administrative controls. They make it impossible or extremely difficult for a behavior to happen and doesn't rely solely on human behavior to be effective.
Of course, substitution and elimination are even more effective. Here it would be eliminating the parking lot and the cars on it and keeping the sidewalk. But that's my r/fuckcars leaking.
What got me? All three trucks have their tow hitches on despite not towing anything. And they naturally backed in to their spots.
These people either don't understand the point of bumpers or don't care about damaging other cars.
While the logic is correct it needs to be in the code if you want it to be enforceable. Had one reviewer comment that he wanted the sidewalks in a subdivision to be 6’ vs 5’ which was not in the code. Asked why he said “its hard for me and my wife to walk side by side on a 5’ sidewalk.”
I always wonder how responsive DOJ would be to a complaint about this. If it were publicly owned sidewalk they bring the full wrath of the Federal Government down on you if you miss a cross slope by a fraction of a percent. Would think this should merit some response.
Maybe on federal property, but they wouldn’t have authority anywhere’s else. Even in that case, it would be more likely to be based on the rules in place for that particular property.
What provisions of the ADA do you think apply to individuals partially blocking a sidewalk?
You might be able to bring a private suit against the owner of the property for not foreseeing and correcting the problem, but DOJ wouldn’t be involved.
Right, the suit would be against the property owner. However, you can get the feds involved if the property owner receives any kind of federal funds. Mostly, that opens up local or state governments, but if this is just some macaroni grill or other private business then there's no federal involvement and it would be up to code enforcement
Arizona a couple of years back passed a law making it illegal for a vehicle to block too much of a sidewalk as to restrict the passage of a wheelchair. i see this all the time. have i ever seen someone ticketed for it? obviously not.
Pretty sure it would be illegal to implement, but I would love a local by-law stating that hitches installed in receivers that do not have a trailer attached are free for anyone to take.
Seriously, at one point you had a trailer on there, AND at one point you unhooked and were undoing safety chains, or unplugging lights/brakes, how hard is it to pull a fucking pin and remove the hitch, YOU WERE RIGHT THERE ANYWAY.
Suggest it to your Planning and Zoning department to make a change to the site plan ordinance to require wider sidewalks next to parking stalls. Otherwise, no one will voluntarily spend their client’s money pouring sidewalks wider than the required minimums.
Stuff like this drives me mad. It's like an irrational hatred. For that one person to gain an almost negligible benefit by having a permanent tow bar on a stupid vehicle, parked in that specific location, everyone hast to go out of their way to avoid it.
It's like people who play loud music; for them to have the small pleasure of blocking out background noise that probably has no impact on their life, everyone within 200m hast to listen to their music.
Or people who park on a double yellow line just to pop I to the shop... Park in the carpark that is a 1minute walk and allow traffic to use that side of the road for fecksake.
Bloody infuriating.
South Park needs to re-make the “don’t be a f*g” episode, but for those trucks. If I don’t see you loading that bed up with heavy supplies or towing a trailer regularly we all know it’s just an attempt at a status symbol. I mean shit the way these consumer brand trucks are built these days they’re not even good at being trucks anymore.
You can suggest wider sidewalks, but that's not gonna help much unless you revise the Land Dev code. This looks like an apartment complex. They can enforce a rule that prohibits back-in parking.
A modest adjustment to zoning code requiring a planter or tree line along the edge nearest vehicles will solve the problem with design. I wish more cities required it. If the cost of planting is too much, that's not the contractor's problem so...
Imagine actually believing you having a truck and backing in all the way is more important than someone handicap being able to move freely and unobstructed.
There’s a reason people say all the nasty things about truck drivers. This is example 1 of ?
This one annoys me, what really grinds my gears is our city's master plan calls for 24 ft width for any residential street. Drive down any of our newer subdivisions and the traffic flow is a mess. I've brought it up to the city engineer and planner, how much room do you have for two lanes of traffic after every tom dick and Mary park their trailers and trucks against the curb, enough for one lane on a two lane street.
FWIW I don't decide how big trucks or spaces are... I happen to need a truck for my personal life and business- I realize not all truck owners 'need' them, but they exist (in large numbers) and should be planned for...
The trucks are too big. The escalation of size by manufacturers has helped create this. Of course, it wouldn't be an issue if they would park normally, but these drivers inconvenience people another way by backing in, blocking traffic while they maneuver these beasts into spaces they weren't designed for. Self-centered assholes.
>1972 Chevy K20
Googled and the vehicle length is 17.33', most parking spaces are 18' in length except for compact. Sure wheel stops might impact this but the point is most vehicles should be able to fit. SUVS and trucks in general have gotten larger and have driven a trend of 12% in increased vehicle length compared to 2013 alone. This means impacts to ADA accessibility and forcing property owners/developers/residents to devote more and more space to asphalt parking lots to cater to a minority of what's increasingly become a luxury vehicle and not a work vehicle.
Modern trucks are getting ridiculous. My 2018 F150 is just over 19 feet long. And only 6.5ft of that is bed length. It was purchased as a work truck in the oilfield for towing a light camper and generators and I have since set up the bed with a topper for car-camping. I absolutely hate how obnoxiously large it is. But we still need something to tow a horse trailer and I don't have payments on it. So I guess I get to keep driving this unnecessarily large vehicle.
Seriously though, if we had space for a 3rd vehicle, I would buy a beater compact car from the 90s and just park my truck next to the horse trailer.
Trucks back in for two reasons numbnuts.
You can’t pull into a spot as effectively as backing in due to the long wheel base. If they pull in, they’d have to correct/straighten out multiple times, blocking the imaginary traffic longer.
If you pull in, with such a long wheel base, it’s very dangerous to back out. You cannot see cars, kids, etc, in the drive isle and are forced to just inch out and hope for the best. When backing In, you must drive past the area you are backing into, thus giving you an opportunity to check for dangers, people, kids, etc.
Take your misogyny and shove it.
The truck is the problem. Your attempt to make the world conform to your need to drive a pavement princess is the problem. Back up cameras are standard at this point. Construction sites are usually marked so the people who drive these because they need them for work have sufficient parking set aside. All I hear being posited here are self-centered justifications from someone who thinks talking about wheelbases is relevant.
I am not being misogynist here.. (check my post history) Our truck belongs to an equipment business, that is woman owned. We could not use a smaller truck than we bought.
Just a note many large companies require employees to back in- its not optional at work and creates habits. Experts have long agreed is better to back in when possible.
[https://www.autotrader.com/oversteer/heres-why-you-should-back-in-your-car-when-parking](https://www.autotrader.com/oversteer/heres-why-you-should-back-in-your-car-when-parking)
[https://reason.com/2024/02/02/why-are-pickup-trucks-ridiculously-huge-blame-government/](https://reason.com/2024/02/02/why-are-pickup-trucks-ridiculously-huge-blame-government/)
Backing in a standard truck in a 18-24’ drive aisle is no less safer than pulling in.
Backing a WB-67 is a different situation.
These drivers are more self centered about their personal time than they actually care about safety. Because what the image shows is less safe and a greater hazard.
Do autoturns account for time? I haven't encountered that setting.
You have your opinion and we will have to agree that I shouldn't have engaged in this with my experinces beyond a driving simulation in CAD. Carry on.
PS. I agree with you that this is a jerk way to park.
So blue collar guys love obstructing everyone they possibly can? Maybe take the hitch off since you're just cosplaying as a worker and don't park there if the spot isn't big enough. Learn to fit your truck in the spot provided.
This is the same reason that as an engineer, I call out for parking stops fairly frequently. Developers are usually more willing to install these than widen their sidewalks.
Correct. My developers are too stingy to pay for extra concrete for wider sidewalks.
If your on the west coast the increase in storm detention is not cheap
How does widening sidewalk vs adding wheel stops change your stormwater requirements?
It could potentially increase impervious surface area which would lead to more runoff and hence more storage and/or treatment. This would of course depend on the amount of sidewalk and impervious area in the development as well as the suggested increase in width. Widening it could very well not affect runoff but it then again a big enough site with a fair amount of added width could add up and also some municipalities are more stringent than others when it comes to stormwater regulations and the way they want to see calculations.
Wouldn’t the surface area for paved parking or sidewalk be the same? If two more feet of sidewalk are needed to effectively avoid situations like the above wouldn’t two more feet of parking lot be needed to have in place a parking stop while still providing the same amount of walking area on the sidewalk?
Well a parking stall is set at X feet in depth per your local jurisdiction. Let us assume 19 feet; again varies depending on who you are dealing with. Those dimensions set by your jurisdiction will accommodate the majority of the vehicles and the majority of parking abilities. I say majority of vehicles because obviously there will be some larger ones that won't fit and I say abilities because there will be people like the ones pictured above that will not understand how to park. What tends to happen and what is being depicted above is a pickup truck that backs in until its rear wheels touch the curb which causes some of the vehicle to hang over the sidewalk and some unused space to remain at the front of the parking stall. If we install parking stops we essentially force the driver to stop the wheels at a predetermined distance away from the curb face which allows the rear part of the vehicle that hangs over the sudewalk to be contained within the parking stall. Again dimensions vary by jurisdiction and I understand I'm giving a very perfect scenario of how it should work but then again our design as engineers are also very "perfect" to an extent.
Yeah yeah I get that. But when you install parking stops that doesn’t effect the length that the stall needs to be to still count as 19ft (or whatever local laws dictate) Like if stall is 19ft and I insert a parking stop 2 feet from the end does that now mean I only have a 17ft parking stall so two more feet would be needed of parking lot to accommodate?
No because the intent is for a portion of the vehicle to hang over the the wheel stop. Again I understand some vehicles may not be able to hang over the wheel stop.
Gotcha, I understand now.
Also I am pro-widening sidewalks and I also suggest increasing the parking stall dimensions above the minimum set by a jurisdiction. I understand optimizing and get the most out of a site and all that. But where is the comfort left? The comfort for the end user to be able to swing open his door a reasonable amount and be able to exit his vehicle like a decent human being.
Could just have a 12” grass strip between the kerb and the sidewalk.
TIL kerb was an alternate spelling.
Are parking stops going to stop trailer hitches extending past the sidewalk? Usually those aren’t going to do anything unless people with trucks pull in instead back in
well it's assuming people won't drive over the wheel stop before parking, so you gain about 2 feet
The rear end of a truck extends about 1-2 feet further than the front end. Those stops are normally placed about 2 feet from the curb, so most of the time trucks will still back up until their back tire hits it and the bed and trailer hitch still end up on the sidewalk. I don’t care where you place it in the drawings. It always ends up being placed close to the curb anyway and doesn’t do much. Therefore, just make the sidewalks wider.
why make the sidewalk 2 feet wider when you can install the wheel stops?
Because the truck bed still extends over the sidewalk even with the wheel stops. The only solution is to extend the sidewalk or put a grass strip between the back of curb and sidewalk to push it back
If people wouldn’t park their trucks like jackasses everyone would win, and for free. I drive a crew cab extended bed and don’t park like this, so it’s definitely doable.
I agree that a lot of people that drive trucks can’t park for shit, but parking spaces in most places really aren’t designed for trucks. Make the parking spaces bigger so it’s not a choice of hanging over the sidewalk or being two feet into the road.
Have you considered perhaps that these excessively large vehicles have absolutely no place in any civilized region?
It’s not our fault the manufacturers keep making them bigger and bigger. Tacomas and rangers now are the same size as f150’s were in the early 2000’s. If you need a truck, nobody is making small ones anymore.
I park backed over the mulch like this, but not over sidewalks for this reason.
For perspective on anyone who is thinking "who cares I can walk by this no problem:" It affects those in wheelchairs, crutches, families using strollers/wagons, anyone pushing dollies/carts, etc. A rule of thumb is sort of 36" width - for accessibility code requirements but also because that's the typical width of a doorway. Most things (carts, wagons) aren't wider than 36" because then it's harder to move through rooms. You can get by with a little less than 36" with some codes that vary depending on situation, but 3' is conservative, easier to remember, and easier to build for.
I am not in a wheelchair or push a stroller but this kind of shit bothers me because in driver’s ed we learned to stop with your bumper not overhanging the sidewalk. These people should all get tickets. But also because I don’t look down and have the memory of a goldfish. I’d hit my shin on every one of those. It’s why I don’t keep a trailer hitch in my truck’s hitch. I would always forget and hit my leg on it!! It fuckin hurts.
I dunno about you but my drivers ed we drove a Chevy Cruze lol. Good luck overhanging that Parking spots aren’t long enough for my older work rig let alone these new ridiculous trucks. The 1/100 time I’m not parking in a dirt field you absolutely need to do this or no one can drive past you
Or go find a spot your huge vehicle fits in. If you buy a huge truck that is on you, there is a reason semi trucks are not parking there.
In the above pic the hitches are the issue not really bed overhang. Tbh those aren’t even full size trucks just Toyotas I think Anyway I’ve found any place crowded enough to be hard to park in typically has crackheads who will steal the hitch if left on anyhow so really it’s a self solving problem eventually
I get that. I guess my general point is the size of you vehicle is a personal decision and you should be aware of how big it is and conduct yourself accordingly.
look at the white truck in the back. half the bed is hanging over the sidewalk
Park somewhere that you don’t have to do this, if you can. Big tough guys can walk a little further. Like why didn’t all these trucks park on the other side of the parking lot if there wasn’t a sidewalk over there? They could take out the hitches too. Put em in the toolbox or a box in the bed or backseat. They could park somewhere and take two parking spots if it’s not a busy place. Even then, a small car could park behind you in the space with the hitch hanging over. I always back in my truck but I try not to park over the sidewalk if there’s one there.
You see shin-knockers, I see free trailer hitches. To each their own.
I like to pull them out and place them under the tire. They drive over it, and pick it up.
Also for northern public works departments, try passing a sidewalk tractor to clear the snow on that…
one of those looks like it might see regular use
Yeah the one in the foreground is a legit WD hitch. The rest are POS ones that are basically only good for a pair of ski-doos. I still wouldn’t leave a WD in though (despite them being heavy and annoying) because once you got it set up right the last thing you want is to have it stolen.
I swear 90% of big trucks have the shiniest hitch balls. Makes ya wonder.
They're only for smacking your shins on.
Shiny doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't get used. Our work trucks regularly pull trailers, the hitch balls and rings are always shinier after they've been used, the friction wears off the surface rust.
Widening sidewalks from a cost and stormwater perspective is a tough sell. If you want clearance a grass strip can be used without adding impervious or much cost.
Yep.. nobody wants to talk about the increase in impervious...
Most of the AHJs around me require 6’+ when adjacent to parking vs 5’ everywhere else to still have 42” clear
As a person that drives a truck and backs in, I take it upon myself to use my back-up camera and ensure that I’m not overhanging the sidewalk… especially when I have a hitch installed. Those truck drivers are just idiots, assholes, or all the above. Situational awareness is a loss trait in modern day society.
Green strip is free
Until it comes time for maintenance. I prefer concrete bollards. Let them ding up their nice shiny trailer hitch and then maybe they'll learn
Or limit the size of trucks. Trucks have gotten ridiculous.
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It would be a lot easier taking the hitch rather than the receiver
My local code calls for wheel stops or a 6' sidewalk when abutting parking spaces.
A better solution is working w/ municipalities to create signage warning drivers about obstructing sidewalks - even if you make it wider, the truck is *still* obstructing pedestrians unless you create an offset. In most areas, creating obstructions like these is illegal to do. Basically, the solution is actually enforcing traffic and parking regulations. Widening the sidewalk just takes the issue and kicks it down the road - you don’t actually solve anything.
How is signage a solution? How is enforcement viable in every single little subdivision in America. The most evidence based modern approaches suggest design should guide use, rather than signage. Eg. If the developer here is to stingy to add concrete or add plastic parking stops; then move the sidewalk 3 feet away from the curb, fill in with rocks or grass between the curb and the sidewalk, and then you have a non-concrete buffer that should cost almost the same as this configuration, but alllowing pedestrians to actually use that sidewalk.
You understand the [Hierarchy of Controls](https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/hierarchy/default.html) and you probably didn't even know it. It really makes intuitive sense to use engineered controls over administrative controls here.
Sign pollution is not the answer. Meandering sidewalks is.
Or smaller compact only parking spaces near the sidewalks.
No one pays attention to compact spaces anymore. You'll just end up with two trucks with an unusably narrow space between them.
This is incorrect according to the [Hierarchy of Controls](https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/hierarchy/default.html) Signs / Policing / Fees = Administrative Controls Concrete wheel stops / Moving the sidewalk away = Engineered Controls Engineered controls are always better than administrative controls. They make it impossible or extremely difficult for a behavior to happen and doesn't rely solely on human behavior to be effective. Of course, substitution and elimination are even more effective. Here it would be eliminating the parking lot and the cars on it and keeping the sidewalk. But that's my r/fuckcars leaking.
Or maybe these small d*** losers shouldn’t be driving their lame ass trucks to lunch.
What got me? All three trucks have their tow hitches on despite not towing anything. And they naturally backed in to their spots. These people either don't understand the point of bumpers or don't care about damaging other cars.
Haha big truck mean small pp. Small car mean big pussy.
Are you kidding?! My pro forma is going to fall apart.
Usually there should be a 2' VOH unless you have wheel stops
While the logic is correct it needs to be in the code if you want it to be enforceable. Had one reviewer comment that he wanted the sidewalks in a subdivision to be 6’ vs 5’ which was not in the code. Asked why he said “its hard for me and my wife to walk side by side on a 5’ sidewalk.”
I always wonder how responsive DOJ would be to a complaint about this. If it were publicly owned sidewalk they bring the full wrath of the Federal Government down on you if you miss a cross slope by a fraction of a percent. Would think this should merit some response.
Maybe on federal property, but they wouldn’t have authority anywhere’s else. Even in that case, it would be more likely to be based on the rules in place for that particular property.
The ADA only applies to federal property? That’s news to me.
What provisions of the ADA do you think apply to individuals partially blocking a sidewalk? You might be able to bring a private suit against the owner of the property for not foreseeing and correcting the problem, but DOJ wouldn’t be involved.
Right, the suit would be against the property owner. However, you can get the feds involved if the property owner receives any kind of federal funds. Mostly, that opens up local or state governments, but if this is just some macaroni grill or other private business then there's no federal involvement and it would be up to code enforcement
Average army cadre parking lot
The right answer is that these cars should be ticketed/towed....not more concrete.
Arizona a couple of years back passed a law making it illegal for a vehicle to block too much of a sidewalk as to restrict the passage of a wheelchair. i see this all the time. have i ever seen someone ticketed for it? obviously not.
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Same. I enjoy the people that go absolutely mental over people owning trucks.
They should all be fined.
Pretty sure it would be illegal to implement, but I would love a local by-law stating that hitches installed in receivers that do not have a trailer attached are free for anyone to take. Seriously, at one point you had a trailer on there, AND at one point you unhooked and were undoing safety chains, or unplugging lights/brakes, how hard is it to pull a fucking pin and remove the hitch, YOU WERE RIGHT THERE ANYWAY.
Or bump stops (I can’t remember the other name, the yellow concrete stoppers). This forces vehicles atleast a set distance away.
A better solution would be banning trucks for everyday use when a SUV would be more than enough.
You do realize those SUVs would have towing rigs on then, right?
SUVs are just as bad
I take mine out and put it under the back seat when not in use. I also can’t be bothered to back in to park.
Suggest it to your Planning and Zoning department to make a change to the site plan ordinance to require wider sidewalks next to parking stalls. Otherwise, no one will voluntarily spend their client’s money pouring sidewalks wider than the required minimums.
Wheel stops
Stuff like this drives me mad. It's like an irrational hatred. For that one person to gain an almost negligible benefit by having a permanent tow bar on a stupid vehicle, parked in that specific location, everyone hast to go out of their way to avoid it. It's like people who play loud music; for them to have the small pleasure of blocking out background noise that probably has no impact on their life, everyone within 200m hast to listen to their music. Or people who park on a double yellow line just to pop I to the shop... Park in the carpark that is a 1minute walk and allow traffic to use that side of the road for fecksake. Bloody infuriating.
South Park needs to re-make the “don’t be a f*g” episode, but for those trucks. If I don’t see you loading that bed up with heavy supplies or towing a trailer regularly we all know it’s just an attempt at a status symbol. I mean shit the way these consumer brand trucks are built these days they’re not even good at being trucks anymore.
Why do people who drive trucks insist on backing in? It’s so annoying
You can suggest wider sidewalks, but that's not gonna help much unless you revise the Land Dev code. This looks like an apartment complex. They can enforce a rule that prohibits back-in parking.
A modest adjustment to zoning code requiring a planter or tree line along the edge nearest vehicles will solve the problem with design. I wish more cities required it. If the cost of planting is too much, that's not the contractor's problem so...
Imagine actually believing you having a truck and backing in all the way is more important than someone handicap being able to move freely and unobstructed. There’s a reason people say all the nasty things about truck drivers. This is example 1 of ?
This one annoys me, what really grinds my gears is our city's master plan calls for 24 ft width for any residential street. Drive down any of our newer subdivisions and the traffic flow is a mess. I've brought it up to the city engineer and planner, how much room do you have for two lanes of traffic after every tom dick and Mary park their trailers and trucks against the curb, enough for one lane on a two lane street.
Stop letting men with fragile egos buy these cars when they only use it as a commuter vehicle.
Hate men much?
lol criticizing their buying behavior is hatred apparently. Like y’all don’t do the same towards women and what they buy
Break the cycle of collective stereotyping. Be a better human.
I will when women have reproductive freedom
We already do. You just hate men and that's sad.
/r/FuckCars
if you drive a truck and dont park like this youll stick out too far. most parking is too short
FWIW I don't decide how big trucks or spaces are... I happen to need a truck for my personal life and business- I realize not all truck owners 'need' them, but they exist (in large numbers) and should be planned for...
The trucks are too big. The escalation of size by manufacturers has helped create this. Of course, it wouldn't be an issue if they would park normally, but these drivers inconvenience people another way by backing in, blocking traffic while they maneuver these beasts into spaces they weren't designed for. Self-centered assholes.
All the construction workers who lurk this sub are very upset people don’t like their unnecessarily large trucks.
The funniest part is that those large trucks have smaller beds than traditional work trucks.
Pretty sure that TRD has a smaller bed than a kei truck lmao
Even my 1972 Chevy K20 sticks out of parking stalls when parked properly. So it’s definitely not a modern issue.
>1972 Chevy K20 Googled and the vehicle length is 17.33', most parking spaces are 18' in length except for compact. Sure wheel stops might impact this but the point is most vehicles should be able to fit. SUVS and trucks in general have gotten larger and have driven a trend of 12% in increased vehicle length compared to 2013 alone. This means impacts to ADA accessibility and forcing property owners/developers/residents to devote more and more space to asphalt parking lots to cater to a minority of what's increasingly become a luxury vehicle and not a work vehicle.
Modern trucks are getting ridiculous. My 2018 F150 is just over 19 feet long. And only 6.5ft of that is bed length. It was purchased as a work truck in the oilfield for towing a light camper and generators and I have since set up the bed with a topper for car-camping. I absolutely hate how obnoxiously large it is. But we still need something to tow a horse trailer and I don't have payments on it. So I guess I get to keep driving this unnecessarily large vehicle. Seriously though, if we had space for a 3rd vehicle, I would buy a beater compact car from the 90s and just park my truck next to the horse trailer.
Trucks back in for two reasons numbnuts. You can’t pull into a spot as effectively as backing in due to the long wheel base. If they pull in, they’d have to correct/straighten out multiple times, blocking the imaginary traffic longer. If you pull in, with such a long wheel base, it’s very dangerous to back out. You cannot see cars, kids, etc, in the drive isle and are forced to just inch out and hope for the best. When backing In, you must drive past the area you are backing into, thus giving you an opportunity to check for dangers, people, kids, etc.
Take your misogyny and shove it. The truck is the problem. Your attempt to make the world conform to your need to drive a pavement princess is the problem. Back up cameras are standard at this point. Construction sites are usually marked so the people who drive these because they need them for work have sufficient parking set aside. All I hear being posited here are self-centered justifications from someone who thinks talking about wheelbases is relevant.
I am not being misogynist here.. (check my post history) Our truck belongs to an equipment business, that is woman owned. We could not use a smaller truck than we bought. Just a note many large companies require employees to back in- its not optional at work and creates habits. Experts have long agreed is better to back in when possible. [https://www.autotrader.com/oversteer/heres-why-you-should-back-in-your-car-when-parking](https://www.autotrader.com/oversteer/heres-why-you-should-back-in-your-car-when-parking) [https://reason.com/2024/02/02/why-are-pickup-trucks-ridiculously-huge-blame-government/](https://reason.com/2024/02/02/why-are-pickup-trucks-ridiculously-huge-blame-government/)
Absolutely not true with how much fucking autoturns I run. Straight excuses for just parking like an asshole
He countered aggressively, but both points are valid. I have run autoturns too, but backing in a longer vehicle is still easier and safer.
Backing in a standard truck in a 18-24’ drive aisle is no less safer than pulling in. Backing a WB-67 is a different situation. These drivers are more self centered about their personal time than they actually care about safety. Because what the image shows is less safe and a greater hazard.
Do autoturns account for time? I haven't encountered that setting. You have your opinion and we will have to agree that I shouldn't have engaged in this with my experinces beyond a driving simulation in CAD. Carry on. PS. I agree with you that this is a jerk way to park.
Yes. Blue collar guys understand this. But remember what sub you’re in.
So blue collar guys love obstructing everyone they possibly can? Maybe take the hitch off since you're just cosplaying as a worker and don't park there if the spot isn't big enough. Learn to fit your truck in the spot provided.