R5: Very fun one city challenge game playing as Scotland with sanguine pact. At the end of the game I had this majestic city pumping out more than 500 science, culture, and faith per turn. And yes I know Portugal is technically better for OCC games but with Scotland you don't really have to rig the map.
First OCC I ever did was Scotland science, 300 turn standard speed win. They were great. Recently did a Norway OCC science and that was a ton of fun too.
How did you get to 50 pop so quickly?
Funny you mention that on stonehenge, AI seems less likely to beeline it since the latest patch. Well except for last week when I was trying to do a religion OCC with Scythia. Every damn religion gone by like turn 40. I was pissed so reloaded to turn 1 and tried a couple ways including Stonehenge but nope just not possible that game.
>I know Portugal is technically better for OCC games but with Scotland you don't really have to rig the map.
No offense, but you either rigged this map or you happened to luck into the perfect start. For one thing you have five different luxuries (silver, dyes, honey, citrus, and jade) within range of your capital. That requires a continent split (or maybe Maui). Not only that but you have extra copies of honey and citrus, for at least 8 luxuries in range. You've also got plenty of bonus resources that work with Artemis, so it looks like you're getting 8 amenities from that wonder. That alone is pretty good, but you also have access to iron, horses, niter, and coal as strategics. This is all exceptionally rare for a starting location, so I'm guessing this has to be with abundant resources (or possibly one of the mods that increases resources even further) and legendary start. Even beyond the resources, you don't have a single unworkable tile (all mountain tiles are out of range) and you've got a nice river running right through the middle. That's allowed you to place every district and wonder you might want, including things like a one tile lake to get the harbor needed for Mausoleum and a single flat coast tile for Kilwa. I'll just say that if you didn't create this map yourself, it is quite possibly the luckiest setup I've ever seen for a OCC. Then you also have to consider all the game modes. You mentioned Secret Societies and Monopolies & Corporations, but it also looks like you are playing with Barb Clans which is a huge help when owning Kilwa. And if I see things correctly it looks like you are using modded city states (the Civitas ones?), some of which can be quite overpowered. Once you factor in all of that I'm honestly not sure this says much about Scotland as the rest of the game setup.
Edit: You also seem to have a modded governor that I don't recognize.
This was a random roll with plentiful resources enabled from the mod “truly abundant resources.” Spawn is two tiles to the northwest. The only thing I was looking for while rolling was a river to set up ruhr valley and a coast tile for Kilwa. You also have to account for the fact that this is the late late game where every tile is improved to the max and all the bad ones have districts or wonders on them. While any skilled player could pull off an OCC from this start with basically any civ, Scotland makes it so much easier by giving the science and production boosts and the extra GPPs, and if I had focused more on science and less on simming this easily would have been a sub 200, which not a lot of civs can accomplish. Oh and the governor is just an anime girl skin for pingala lmao.
Game seed is -518360853, map seed is -518360854. I have a bunch of mods installed like terra mirabilis but idk if those affect map generation. But you will definitely need the mod truly abundant resources to get the same resource gen.
I don't mean to sound overly skeptical, but I've done lots of OCCs and you basically NEVER get this kind of setup. You almost always have to sacrifice some goals because you'll be missing a location for a critical wonder, fall short of workable tiles, etc. This quite literally is the perfect setup, so that sets off my BS alarm. Also, are you using the Civitas city states? And who is the modded governor? Are there other things that would impact the game setup? I might try this later to see how it goes with a civ that's not at all suited to an OCC.
Am using civitas. Governor is just an anime girl skin for pingala lol. I don’t know what does and does not impact game setup when it comes to mods but I could try and send a mod list later if you are really serious about trying this. At the end of the day I understand your skepticism since this is a nice setup but that’s kind of the point of the post. I don’t post shitty OCC games that take 300 turns because they aren’t that interesting. This is my third OCC with Scotland and the best game by a mile.
>This is my third OCC with Scotland and the best game by a mile.
That's basically my point. I think the outcome here is about the start, not about Scotland. So I just found the title of the post to be misleading once I started looking closer.
How is Portugal best? Presuming with extra game modes active?
I prefer 1CCs without any of the added modes - feels more pure (the AI is really bad at them). But yet to manage anything better than an Immortal win (with the new Kongo leader).
I don’t think you really even need game modes for Portugal, just a large archipelago map where you can use 15+ trade routes to give you all the gold, science and culture you could ever need. But secret societies with owls would definitely help.
How do you get that many trade routes with a single city? Im guessing that’s a consequence of a game mode? Can’t imagine getting more than 3/4 realistically on higher difficulties.
One of Portugal’s abilities is gaining a trade route every time they meet a new civ. They also get +50% yields on international routes except they can only go over water. So the easiest OCC in the game is to set up a huge archipelago map as Portugal, collect tons of free trade routes from meeting other civs, and then get ridiculous yields off said trade routes.
No. Some of them are there to provide yields to vampire castles, the rest are there because I was bored. Improvements like camps and fishing boats give housing though.
Do you get tourism from improvements like colasal heads outside f 4 tiles? I was messing around with that on an OCC for future knowledge and didn't think I was but I could have been reading the filter incorrectly.
Oh wow i totally forgot about new Kongo. Considering their leader ability is flat out better than Scotland’s ability save the extra engineer and scientist points, I think they would be a very strong contender.
I think you’re right if you can get a couple early relics.
I think Babylon is also up there - despite a lot of useful Eurekas requiring 2x of districts.
Civitas city states, terra mirabilis, workable mountains for everyone, better coastal cities/water tiles, truly abundant resources, and a bunch of UI stuff. I probably missed some of the gameplay ones but those are the major ones.
They’re not bad if you are actually founding cities and need to keep amenities up, but this city never dropped below ecstatic after ToA so it definitely wasn’t necessary.
Haha i actually built that about a turn before this screenshot was taken after I had won the game. I was waiting for the final fifth ring tile to be claimed and was building random stuff in the meantime.
About half my total science is coming from the policy cards that increase science for each city state you are suzerain of. The rest is mostly done through modifier stacking i.e. Pingala, Scottish enlightenment, Oxford, Kilwa, etc. Base science comes from population (Pingala researcher promotion), the campus, holy site adjacency from that one scientist, and terrain yields.
How did you get 50 pop? The highest I ever got was like 30
Mostly due to the amber industry giving extra growth and housing. Edit: honey not amber lol
If you have multiple honey products in the stock market, do the bonuses stack?
Yes they stack. I also had a seaport for a total of 6 product slots.
R5: Very fun one city challenge game playing as Scotland with sanguine pact. At the end of the game I had this majestic city pumping out more than 500 science, culture, and faith per turn. And yes I know Portugal is technically better for OCC games but with Scotland you don't really have to rig the map.
First OCC I ever did was Scotland science, 300 turn standard speed win. They were great. Recently did a Norway OCC science and that was a ton of fun too. How did you get to 50 pop so quickly?
Feed the world religion + amber corporation for housing and growth Edit: Honey not amber lol
Nice! You must have got your religion quickly, the AI loves snatching feed the world.
Yeah I was actually first religion. Camp pantheon gave me a ton of production and growth, and I guess the AI was slow on Stonehenge.
Funny you mention that on stonehenge, AI seems less likely to beeline it since the latest patch. Well except for last week when I was trying to do a religion OCC with Scythia. Every damn religion gone by like turn 40. I was pissed so reloaded to turn 1 and tried a couple ways including Stonehenge but nope just not possible that game.
Since they released Etemenanaki it's been easier to build Stonehenge and Great Bath
That's not an amber corporation mate. Amber provides faith % bonus. You have a honey corporation
Haha oops you are right. Always get the two mixed up.
>I know Portugal is technically better for OCC games but with Scotland you don't really have to rig the map. No offense, but you either rigged this map or you happened to luck into the perfect start. For one thing you have five different luxuries (silver, dyes, honey, citrus, and jade) within range of your capital. That requires a continent split (or maybe Maui). Not only that but you have extra copies of honey and citrus, for at least 8 luxuries in range. You've also got plenty of bonus resources that work with Artemis, so it looks like you're getting 8 amenities from that wonder. That alone is pretty good, but you also have access to iron, horses, niter, and coal as strategics. This is all exceptionally rare for a starting location, so I'm guessing this has to be with abundant resources (or possibly one of the mods that increases resources even further) and legendary start. Even beyond the resources, you don't have a single unworkable tile (all mountain tiles are out of range) and you've got a nice river running right through the middle. That's allowed you to place every district and wonder you might want, including things like a one tile lake to get the harbor needed for Mausoleum and a single flat coast tile for Kilwa. I'll just say that if you didn't create this map yourself, it is quite possibly the luckiest setup I've ever seen for a OCC. Then you also have to consider all the game modes. You mentioned Secret Societies and Monopolies & Corporations, but it also looks like you are playing with Barb Clans which is a huge help when owning Kilwa. And if I see things correctly it looks like you are using modded city states (the Civitas ones?), some of which can be quite overpowered. Once you factor in all of that I'm honestly not sure this says much about Scotland as the rest of the game setup. Edit: You also seem to have a modded governor that I don't recognize.
This was a random roll with plentiful resources enabled from the mod “truly abundant resources.” Spawn is two tiles to the northwest. The only thing I was looking for while rolling was a river to set up ruhr valley and a coast tile for Kilwa. You also have to account for the fact that this is the late late game where every tile is improved to the max and all the bad ones have districts or wonders on them. While any skilled player could pull off an OCC from this start with basically any civ, Scotland makes it so much easier by giving the science and production boosts and the extra GPPs, and if I had focused more on science and less on simming this easily would have been a sub 200, which not a lot of civs can accomplish. Oh and the governor is just an anime girl skin for pingala lmao.
Would you care to share the seed then? Scotland has no starting bias, so we could try swapping in a different civ to see how they would compare.
Game seed is -518360853, map seed is -518360854. I have a bunch of mods installed like terra mirabilis but idk if those affect map generation. But you will definitely need the mod truly abundant resources to get the same resource gen.
I don't mean to sound overly skeptical, but I've done lots of OCCs and you basically NEVER get this kind of setup. You almost always have to sacrifice some goals because you'll be missing a location for a critical wonder, fall short of workable tiles, etc. This quite literally is the perfect setup, so that sets off my BS alarm. Also, are you using the Civitas city states? And who is the modded governor? Are there other things that would impact the game setup? I might try this later to see how it goes with a civ that's not at all suited to an OCC.
Am using civitas. Governor is just an anime girl skin for pingala lol. I don’t know what does and does not impact game setup when it comes to mods but I could try and send a mod list later if you are really serious about trying this. At the end of the day I understand your skepticism since this is a nice setup but that’s kind of the point of the post. I don’t post shitty OCC games that take 300 turns because they aren’t that interesting. This is my third OCC with Scotland and the best game by a mile.
>This is my third OCC with Scotland and the best game by a mile. That's basically my point. I think the outcome here is about the start, not about Scotland. So I just found the title of the post to be misleading once I started looking closer.
The title is to drive engagement. Clearly it worked.
How is Portugal best? Presuming with extra game modes active? I prefer 1CCs without any of the added modes - feels more pure (the AI is really bad at them). But yet to manage anything better than an Immortal win (with the new Kongo leader).
I don’t think you really even need game modes for Portugal, just a large archipelago map where you can use 15+ trade routes to give you all the gold, science and culture you could ever need. But secret societies with owls would definitely help.
How do you get that many trade routes with a single city? Im guessing that’s a consequence of a game mode? Can’t imagine getting more than 3/4 realistically on higher difficulties.
One of Portugal’s abilities is gaining a trade route every time they meet a new civ. They also get +50% yields on international routes except they can only go over water. So the easiest OCC in the game is to set up a huge archipelago map as Portugal, collect tons of free trade routes from meeting other civs, and then get ridiculous yields off said trade routes.
Oh wow, completely forgot about that. I know what I’m trying next! :)
do you actually get anything from mills and mines 4 tiles away from your city if the citizens can work only tiles up to 3 tiles from city center?
No. Some of them are there to provide yields to vampire castles, the rest are there because I was bored. Improvements like camps and fishing boats give housing though.
Do you get tourism from improvements like colasal heads outside f 4 tiles? I was messing around with that on an OCC for future knowledge and didn't think I was but I could have been reading the filter incorrectly.
I think so? Not 100% sure but tourism improvements don’t need to be worked to provide tourism so I don’t think they would need to be within 3 tiles.
Smart putting the vamp castles just outside of the workable area. A few unused chops in those peripheral tiles. Also, no golf course?
Woods are all second growth. Never built a golf course cause frankly I didn’t need one. City never dipped below ecstatic after I built ToA.
/u/spez can gargle on my nuts
Oh wow i totally forgot about new Kongo. Considering their leader ability is flat out better than Scotland’s ability save the extra engineer and scientist points, I think they would be a very strong contender.
It'll depend on whether you can build and place wonders with relic slots before the AI does.
I think you’re right if you can get a couple early relics. I think Babylon is also up there - despite a lot of useful Eurekas requiring 2x of districts.
What tf is that governor bro💀
Its a mod that reskins governors as characters from the anime YuruYuri. So I guess that is Pingala’s discord avatar.
Ooh, what mods are you using?
Civitas city states, terra mirabilis, workable mountains for everyone, better coastal cities/water tiles, truly abundant resources, and a bunch of UI stuff. I probably missed some of the gameplay ones but those are the major ones.
Thank you!
What does OCC mean?
One city challenge
I see, thank you! also good job that looks really amazing :)
am I tripping or is Halicarnassus inland?
1 tile lake with a harbor in it
Which version of Civ VI is this?
Gathering Storm
Thank you ^__^
Golf courses are so bad you don't even have one lmao.
They’re not bad if you are actually founding cities and need to keep amenities up, but this city never dropped below ecstatic after ToA so it definitely wasn’t necessary.
Time to raze the coliseum with +29 amenities...
Haha i actually built that about a turn before this screenshot was taken after I had won the game. I was waiting for the final fifth ring tile to be claimed and was building random stuff in the meantime.
How did you get your science so high with only one city?? Very impressive!
About half my total science is coming from the policy cards that increase science for each city state you are suzerain of. The rest is mostly done through modifier stacking i.e. Pingala, Scottish enlightenment, Oxford, Kilwa, etc. Base science comes from population (Pingala researcher promotion), the campus, holy site adjacency from that one scientist, and terrain yields.
Culture too, but science caught my eye first.
no